Orlando Brown traded to the Chiefs for 1st Rd Pick

[TC in St. Louis]

Maybe we just played a bad game vs. the Chiefs.  Sometimes you lose, lick your wounds and move on.  We've got a few guys heading into year #3 who might just get to their "ceiling."  Ed Oliver, Tremaine Edmunds, Knox.  We signed some nice pieces in the offseason.  I like our chances.  I'd suggest a super fast cornerback and maybe Oweh, who can outrun just about everybody on the field.  We need to focus on our team rather than the Chiefs.  While we're looking at them there are other teams getting much better.

 

Focus on us, not them.  

[ColoradoBills]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

Really like this trade for the Ravens with all the draft picks and they already had a LT who is better than Brown. Otoh The chiefs didn’t get better, they  just filled a hole they created by cutting Fisher and now missing a lot of draft capital they need to build up cheap labor m for their roster because they have so much top heavy contracts. And they need to pay Brown. 

 

You are right.  Chiefs are employing an interesting strategy that has worked well so far.  If they can keep their 7-8 stars healthy

and playing at elite levels they can absorb the risk, if they can't they open themselves up to what happen to them in the SB.

 

Only time will tell how it works in the long run.  Brown will want $20M per year so we'll see if he signs with the Chiefs or if he is just

an expensive rental.  It seems to me they are expecting the cap to go up more than many think.

Edited April 24, 2021 by ColoradoBills

[ngbills]

10 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I seriously wonder why some of you even root for this team

 

Poyer and Hyde are one of the best safety tandems in the league

We resigned the top RT free agent in free agency

 

We can do this all day....just because KC won LAST year does not mean our team will not continue its improvement and beat them this year

 

Last year you were probably talking about how the Pats was a guaranteed 2 losses

We are talking Elite level talent. Guys that would show up on a top 100 players list or top player at position list. That is not being negative. The Bills have a ton of good players and very good roster. The point was KC has been able to add more elite level players. Brown could be argued as the best Tackle in the league or at least be in that conversation, just like Thuney at G. This was not a complain about the Bills thread it was about KC being able to add a guy like Brown for not a ton of assets. 

[Milanos Milano]

Pittsburgh and Baltimore are well ran organizations, they hit on a lot of their draft picks year after year. We are starting to catch up, but I need to see better D picks panning out. 

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

Now we need some Pro Bowl Caliber edge rushers. 

 

[Just Joshin']

5 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

Now we need some Pro Bowl Caliber edge rushers. 

 

I agree.   What do you propose?

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Pittsburgh and Baltimore are well ran organizations, they hit on a lot of their draft picks year after year. We are starting to catch up, but I need to see better D picks panning out. 

I have no doubt the Ravens will draft two immediate stud starters in the first plus load up with more with the chiefs picks in the mid rounds 

Edited April 24, 2021 by YoloinOhio

[Billl]

1 hour ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Pittsburgh and Baltimore are well ran organizations, they hit on a lot of their draft picks year after year. We are starting to catch up, but I need to see better D picks panning out. 

You want to see better D picks?  Check your PMs.

[BADOLBILZ]

5 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Really like this trade for the Ravens with all the draft picks and they already had a LT who is better than Brown. Otoh The chiefs didn’t get better, they  just filled a hole they created by cutting Fisher and now missing a lot of draft capital they need to build up cheap labor m for their roster because they have so much top heavy contracts. And they need to pay Brown. 

 

 

I would call this wishful thinking.

 

The odds of getting a very good player at #45 are maybe 35%-40% at that point.   Orlando Brown is AT LEAST a very good player.

 

Maybe they get lucky and draft another Ray Lewis with that pick........or maybe Brown gets injured or loses his mind or whatever.........but it's definitely an L in real time........they aren't likely to replace that talent and they've aided a conference rival.

 

For comparison,  I think if the Bills could get a Danielle Hunter in this kind of value exchange I think the board would be delighted. 

 

As for the Chiefs replacing Fisher.........I've said it before.......not all solid LT's give you 10 years.    They got 8 from him.   The Bills will be lucky to get that many seasons of  Dion Dawkins, which is a good reason why LT should be in their sights.  

[Victory Formation]

This benefits the Chiefs greatly. A Pro Bowl LT for a 2nd. Don’t forget they have Thuney playing right next to him.

[djp14150]

On 4/23/2021 at 3:22 PM, JimKellyTryouts said:

Groan 

 

I'm surprised the Ravens couldn't have gotten a better haul, and that they willingly traded a pro bowl OT to KC of all teams, a direct competitor for this conference 

 

Odds are he'll get an extension, too - Pat went from getting demolished in the SB to now having Thuney and Brown on his line...

 

I think there is something going on with brown that might come apparent in KC

This is rough equivalent a.ie to whrn Buffalo trading up to the Brngles in the draft sending OT to cincinati

[YoloinOhio]

1 minute ago, djp14150 said:

 

I think there is something going on with brown that might come apparent in KC

Baltimore folks feel he has some limitations at OT that were somewhat covered up by Lamar and the Ravens very run-heavy offense. 

[Turk71]

Hard to see what the Ravens are thinking here, the Chiefs are the team to beat and they had a significant hole in their o line. Whatever the reason for moving Brown, they have bailed out their no. 1 rival for AFC Champion. That is difficult to understand.

[ExWNYer]

14 minutes ago, Turk71 said:

Hard to see what the Ravens are thinking here, the Chiefs are the team to beat and they had a significant hole in their o line. Whatever the reason for moving Brown, they have bailed out their no. 1 rival for AFC Champion. That is difficult to understand.

 

Agreed. You have to wonder if Baltimore would have been better off trying to package Brown in a trade to move up the draft board similarly to what the Bills did with Cordy Glenn. Giving a 2nd Round pick back to KC in that trade was not good, IMO. As you said, KC is their #1 roadblock in the AFC. If they want your OT, make them pay a premium.

[Zerovoltz]

I want to point out again because it seems to be misunderstood.  KC cut both tackles because BOTH sustained injuries that will likely cause one to retire (Schwartz) and the other to likely miss the entire season (Fisher). Both were in the final years of their deals.  There was no reason to absorb the cap hits for both of them as they weren’t playing and their contracts were expiring.

 

We Lost then both to injury, not the cap.  
 

Also, Schwartz was lost very early.  Duvarnay- Tardiff opted out, his replacement. Osimele, tore up his knee in week 5 and was lost for the year.  And it just got worse.  KC had 11 different O linemen start at least one game.  And by the time KC reached the Super Bowl the starting O line was 3rd string LT, 3rd string RG, 1st string C 2nd string LG, 3rd string RT

 

It wasn’t due to a lack of depth or planning. KC just ended up finally running out of dudes at the very end of the roster.  No team is 3 deep at O line.  

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

9 hours ago, Just Joshin' said:

I agree.   What do you propose?

 A trade similar to what the Chiefs did for Brown... Who is a nice young pass rusher worthy of multiple picks?

 

[NewEra]

6 hours ago, ExWNYer said:

 

Agreed. You have to wonder if Baltimore would have been better off trying to package Brown in a trade to move up the draft board similarly to what the Bills did with Cordy Glenn. Giving a 2nd Round pick back to KC in that trade was not good, IMO. As you said, KC is their #1 roadblock in the AFC. If they want your OT, make them pay a premium.

Decosta wanted quantity over quality.  Like he said, drafting is luck and the more the more picks you have, the better your chances of getting a good player.  
 

they really do have a bunch of holes and the ravens are the kings of the kid round gems.

[ExWNYer]

5 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Decosta wanted quantity over quality.  Like he said, drafting is luck and the more the more picks you have, the better your chances of getting a good player.  
 

they really do have a bunch of holes and the ravens are the kings of the kid round gems.

 

I generally agree with the philosophy of trading down to acquire more picks because it gives you the latitude to have more misses with your swings or to keep moving around. I just don't think they made KC pay a premium. That 2nd Rounder should have been a non-starter, IMO.

[GunnerBill]

13 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Really like this trade for the Ravens with all the draft picks and they already had a LT who is better than Brown. Otoh The chiefs didn’t get better, they  just filled a hole they created by cutting Fisher and now missing a lot of draft capital they need to build up cheap labor m for their roster because they have so much top heavy contracts. And they need to pay Brown. 

 

Personally I think they did get better but then I was never a big Eric Fisher guy. He was overdrafted and then overpaid. I think Orlando Brown was a better LT in the half of 2020 that he played there than Fisher was over the season. But it does create another guy they have to pay pretty soon. If they had drafted a guy at #31 that was cheap labour for 4 years and cost controlled labour for 5. 

[Chandler#81]

This makes things tougher.. That I have ‘a horse in the race’ makes even harder to accept. I love the new NFL, with significant players changing teams so often -EXCEPT, when it hurts the Bills..

[atlbillsfan1975]

21 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Really like this trade for the Ravens with all the draft picks and they already had a LT who is better than Brown. Otoh The chiefs didn’t get better, they  just filled a hole they created by cutting Fisher and now missing a lot of draft capital they need to build up cheap labor m for their roster because they have so much top heavy contracts. And they need to pay Brown. 

Yep. 100%. Ravens got something for a player they were going to let walk. Brown is good but wants big money LT. The Chiefs are mortgaging the future for a win now attitude which is kind of counterintuitive given the fact you already won a Super Bowl in 2019. Unless Andy knows he only has a few years left till he retires and wants one last shot.

Make no mistake about it, you can’t have several big cap hit contracts on a roster all at once. I know a certain Chiefs fan thinks his team figured out the loop hole, I don’t agree. You need draft picks and rookie contracts to keep maintaining success for the long haul. 

Edited April 25, 2021 by atlbillsfan1975

[atlbillsfan1975]

14 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I'd take a SB victory any day over consistent success but never being good enough to win it all. 

After I won one I wouldn’t.

[YoloinOhio]

9 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Personally I think they did get better but then I was never a big Eric Fisher guy. He was overdrafted and then overpaid. I think Orlando Brown was a better LT in the half of 2020 that he played there than Fisher was over the season. But it does create another guy they have to pay pretty soon. If they had drafted a guy at #31 that was cheap labour for 4 years and cost controlled labour for 5. 

It’s questionable in my mind if they got better, won’t know until we see them this season. There is some risk with Brown, as again, he has only played half a season at LT in the NFL, and in a completely different scheme. Baltimore runs the ball the most in the NFL and that is something that plays to Brown’s strengths. Brown is a mauler at heart and is at his best playing in a down-hill gap blocking scheme where he can cover dudes up or use his power to move players off the line of scrimmage.
In KC, he will be asked to pass protect much more than he did so far in his NFL career and there is some unknown of how he will respond. He played in a spread out passing offense in college and was decent. Would likely have been drafted higher if he didn’t test like my great aunt at the combine. Either way I’ll trust the Ravens front office as usual hit a home run on this decision.  The chiefs were desperate and had a huge hole to fill and are paying for not having a succession plan behind fisher. 

Edited April 25, 2021 by YoloinOhio

[Billl]

9 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Personally I think they did get better but then I was never a big Eric Fisher guy. He was overdrafted and then overpaid. I think Orlando Brown was a better LT in the half of 2020 that he played there than Fisher was over the season. But it does create another guy they have to pay pretty soon. If they had drafted a guy at #31 that was cheap labour for 4 years and cost controlled labour for 5. 

The money is a non issue.  The entire starting O Line for KC has a cap hit of under $15mm this season.  Cutting Fisher and Schwartz created plenty of room.  Remember, they were ready to pay Trent Williams well in excess of $20mm per season.

 

I will never understand how Baltimore let Brown go for such a small return.  24 year olds who have made pro bowls at both tackle positions just don’t exist.  Trading a unicorn to your biggest obstacle to shore up their one glaring weakness for a bag of magic beans borders on malpractice.

[Billl]

2 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Yep. 100%. Ravens got something for a player they were going to let walk. Brown is good but wants big money LT. The Chiefs are mortgaging the future for a win now attitude which is kind of counterintuitive given the fact you already won a Super Bowl in 2019. Unless Andy knows he only has a few years left till he retires and wants one last shot.

Make no mistake about it, you can’t have several big cap hit contracts on a roster all at once. I know a certain Chiefs fan thinks his team figured out the loop hole, I don’t agree. You need draft picks and rookie contracts to keep maintaining success for the long haul. 

The Chiefs last season drafted or signed UDFAs players who will start this season at RT, CB, RB, LB, and P along with heavy rotational guys at DT and DE.  They sign stars to big contracts and let solid but unspectacular players walk.  It’s really not that complicated.  Veach and Reid are willing to sacrifice their Matt Milano types because they believe they’ll find replacements for them late in the draft and let the superstars cover for any weaknesses their strategy creates.

 

Hoping top teams eventually collapse under the weight of the salary cap is a failed strategy.

[atlbillsfan1975]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

So long as Mahomes is Mahomes I suspect they'll be in contention every year.... they are clearly the best team in the AFC and probably the league on paper as it stands right now, so I don't see how this move really jeopardizes their future. 

 

 

We can see things differently. 

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

It’s questionable in my mind if they got better, won’t know until we see them this season. There is some risk with Brown, as again, he has only played half a season at LT in the NFL, and in a completely different scheme. Baltimore runs the ball the most in the NFL and that is something that plays to Brown’s strengths. Brown is a mauler at heart and is at his best playing in a down-hill gap blocking scheme where he can cover dudes up or use his power to move players off the line of scrimmage.
In KC, he will be asked to pass protect much more than he did so far in his NFL career and there is some unknown of how he will respond. He played in a spread out passing offense in college and was decent. Would likely have been drafted higher if he didn’t test like my great aunt at the combine. Either way I’ll trust the Ravens front office as usual hit a home run on this decision.  The chiefs were desperate and had a huge hole to fill and are paying for not having a succession plan behind fisher. 

 

Brown will be better than 2020 Fisher. 

[just1hugheser]

4 hours ago, Billl said:

The money is a non issue.  The entire starting O Line for KC has a cap hit of under $15mm this season.  Cutting Fisher and Schwartz created plenty of room.  Remember, they were ready to pay Trent Williams well in excess of $20mm per season.

 

I will never understand how Baltimore let Brown go for such a small return.  24 year olds who have made pro bowls at both tackle positions just don’t exist.  Trading a unicorn to your biggest obstacle to shore up their one glaring weakness for a bag of magic beans borders on malpractice.

 

LOL this was definitely my intiail reaction

They had two of the best tackles in the league, I'm a guy who wants the best Dline and Oline in the league and would pay and aggressively pursue that goal if I was a gm so to me if I'm the ravens I have to get Staley, Brown, OL coach, Head Coach, Myself and whatever lawyers/reps are necessary and tell em we are not leaving until we can come to some agreement.

 

Of course this doesnt mean it could have been worked and maybe they tried talking to him/them and still werent able to figure it out, but boy I sure woulda tried.

[Victory Formation]

17 hours ago, Zerovoltz said:

I want to point out again because it seems to be misunderstood.  KC cut both tackles because BOTH sustained injuries that will likely cause one to retire (Schwartz) and the other to likely miss the entire season (Fisher). Both were in the final years of their deals.  There was no reason to absorb the cap hits for both of them as they weren’t playing and their contracts were expiring.

 

We Lost then both to injury, not the cap.  
 

Also, Schwartz was lost very early.  Duvarnay- Tardiff opted out, his replacement. Osimele, tore up his knee in week 5 and was lost for the year.  And it just got worse.  KC had 11 different O linemen start at least one game.  And by the time KC reached the Super Bowl the starting O line was 3rd string LT, 3rd string RG, 1st string C 2nd string LG, 3rd string RT

 

It wasn’t due to a lack of depth or planning. KC just ended up finally running out of dudes at the very end of the roster.  No team is 3 deep at O line.  

You guys did really well with Brown and Thuney. You guys clearly got the best of the KC/Ravens trade. Brown is a top notch LT and you guys gave up very little in compensation. You guys clearly have some really decent pieces to build around on that OL. 

[BADOLBILZ]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Brown will be better than 2020 Fisher. 

 

 

Yolo's take is mostly based off the trust of the Ravens history as a team that handles the draft well.

 

The overall body of work is good but many of their high profile individual moves have been bad.

 

The last 4 times they were picking late in round one they selected Breshad Perriman, Hayden Hurst, Hollywood Brown and Patrick Queen.

 

Hurst surely didn't play like a first round TE but trading him was often cited as a reason why their offensive production dropped almost a TD per game.

 

Brown and Queen are still with the team but Brown has underwhelmed and Queen was probably the worst MLB in the league last year.

[BillsFan1988]

Can anyone hear say it with me THE CAP IS A JOKE! Good job Chiefs attacking your weaknesses once again. Show our guys running our team that continuity isn't everything unless you continue to get your butts kicked by the same team over and over again. Which btw is coming once again .

[BillsFan1988]

On 4/23/2021 at 10:18 PM, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Am I the only one who was confused about Orlando Brown? I thought it was the dude that got hit in the eye with the flag. Then, I just googled him, and this is his son. I guess both father and son were OT’s for the ravens.

He's the guy that his man tities were flying all over the place during his 40 at the combine. He dropped to the 3rd I believe and has made everyone look foolish for not drafting were he was originally supposed to go in the 1st.

[BillsVet]

11 hours ago, Billl said:

Hoping top teams eventually collapse under the weight of the salary cap is a failed strategy.

 

There were many here who, after Eric Fisher and Mitchell Schwartz were let go on the same day, firmly believed KC wouldn't or couldn't recover for 2021.  

 

Funny how things can change.  6 weeks later the Chiefs have changed their OL in effectively 1 off-season by acquiring Kyle Long, Orlando Brown, and Joe Thuney.