DrDawkinstein Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 Just now, Brennan Huff said: I’m amazed that this hasn’t been locked yet. There are some real patriotic posters here.... I'm amazed at how well it's stayed on the rails so far! 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlgarsh Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 My dad just died Wednesday, from some type of lung infection. Not sure if it was covid or just a side effect of Alzheimer's. All I know is, I got the vaccine ASAP in hopes of being able to travel and see him for the first time in a year, but he passed away the day after my 2nd shot, on my sister's birthday (of all days). He lived in a state where masks aren't mandated and people generally don't want to get vaccinated. I'm glad Erie county is taking this position, since a crowd of 70,000 people could spread covid like wildfire. Either way, no one I know who's been vaccinated has had many side effects, other than a couple people with a 24 hour fever. But that's better than hospitalization or death... 2 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 I never knew this board had so many infectious disease experts. You tube et al. are really tremendous sources of info 👏 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 I think you should have to prove vaccination to post on this site. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Boxcar said: Countries can reject entry to anyone they want for any reason, and they always could. That's the essence of sovereignty. Just like the government in the US, a country, can say you can't come to the game unless you are vaccinated... You're rejected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, DaggersEOD said: You forgot to include those with actual anti-bodies. Much more effective than vaccines in 100% of instances. While you can’t directly add the number of infected to the number vaccinated as there will be considerable overlap, you can at a minimum count all positive cases over the last year as having anti-bodies. Vaccines are a substitute for those who don’t. We’re closer to the 70% than you realize. This is a good thing But no one makes money off anti-bodies, so I fully expect them to not be taken into consideration. While the "previously infected" crowd technically counts in the classic definition of herd immunity, it's a bad way to shape public policy. There is a fine line between "previously infected" and "culling the herd". Herd immunity via infection is usually pretty deadly. And we've already had more than enough of that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soflabillsfan1 Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: If you travel abroad they ask for vaccination proof as well, sane is required for entry into this country. It really isn't that unreasonable at all 🤷🏻♂️🤦♂️ Unless you sneak across the southern border. In that case you're good to go. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 The same people that voluntarily offer their total obedience to the government when it comes to vaccinations are the very same people who'd burn the stadium and the county executive's house to the ground if the government banned alcohol sales inside the stadium or gave you a lifetime ban for fighting in the stands. 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaggersEOD Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said: Yes, I believe it was fully vaccinated. I dont know. It is good that we got that many done in such a short time. But the problem now is, for every person already vaccinated, we each need to find 2 more that havent been and convince them to get vaccinated. And that will still only get us just over 60% of the adult population. Tough ask when pretty much everyone I know who wants the vaccine has gotten it, and the only hold outs are the "my choice" crowd who don't intend on getting it. I find it funny that many can state this fact (<30% vaccination) and still think they hold the majority opinion on the matter. 🤷♂️ That said, It’s the NFLs product and I’m sure their insurance had a LOT to do with the decision. Going to a football game (vs going to work) is a completely voluntary event. If you don’t want to meet their standards, you don’t have to go. There are many other mediums to get NFL action. This shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 Violation of HIPPA law.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxcar Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Reed83HOF said: Just like the government in the US, a country, can say you can't come to the have unless you are vaccinated... You're rejected No, that's not even close to the same thing. The government has no obligation to foreigners, unlike its citizenry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 33 minutes ago, Kelsayrundefense said: Can't wait to see a bunch of binge drinking, overweight, unhealthy people sitting in the stands with their vaccines cards and their masks on. Thankfully, drinking and being overweight isn’t contagious! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In Summary Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 hour ago, H2o said: I live in VA and always watch the Bills on TV or my phone anyway. Doesn't affect me personally. Same here. I've worn the mask and I've gotten the two shots of Pfizer, but I enjoy going maskless when I watch football. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, dwight in philly said: Violation of HIPPA law.. How is it a violation of HIPPA law? Edited April 13, 2021 by chknwing334 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohboychoboy Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 17 minutes ago, jmurphy8475 said: Vaccines are against my religion so, I will be suing for discrimination. While I'm a 47 year season ticket holder that's fully vaccinated, I'm not totally comfortable with this edict from our politicians, but not for religious reasons. But I do think you're correct, there will be a number of lawsuits filed objecting to this. First of all, all these vaccines are so far only experimental. They have not been fullly approved by the FDA. Will they be approved by September? Highly unlikely. And what about the Canadian fans, a significant portion of our season ticket base? Will they have the opportunity to be vaccinated by then? Will their vaccination data be capable of showing up in the Excelsior app? What if they've had the Astrazeneca shot? That hasn't even been given emergency use authorization here in the states. Will the border even be open? I don't think everyone has totally thought this through yet. But I do see a big money-making opportunity for the lawyers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, jlgarsh said: My dad just died Wednesday, from some type of lung infection. Not sure if it was covid or just a side effect of Alzheimer's. All I know is, I got the vaccine ASAP in hopes of being able to travel and see him for the first time in a year, but he passed away the day after my 2nd shot, on my sister's birthday (of all days). He lived in a state where masks aren't mandated and people generally don't want to get vaccinated. I'm glad Erie county is taking this position, since a crowd of 70,000 people could spread covid like wildfire. Either way, no one I know who's been vaccinated has had many side effects, other than a couple people with a 24 hour fever. But that's better than hospitalization or death... My father passed away from Covid on April 18th last year, he should have lived long enough to pass from natural causes in another 15 to 20 years and not from his other minor health issues. The problem is the ones who cry about their sovereignty impact others sovereignty by their choices. If you live in the woods and never interact with others, that's one thing but, you don't... It's as simple as don't be a dick 3 7 5 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, dpberr said: The same people that voluntarily offer their total obedience to the government when it comes to vaccinations are the very same people who'd burn the stadium and the county executive's house to the ground if the government banned alcohol sales inside the stadium or gave you a lifetime ban for fighting in the stands. Just when you thought the takes couldn’t possibly get any spicier up in here! 😂 Anyways, second jab next week, see youse fellow drunken, fat sheep at the stadium in the fall! 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, jlgarsh said: My dad just died Wednesday, from some type of lung infection. Not sure if it was covid or just a side effect of Alzheimer's. All I know is, I got the vaccine ASAP in hopes of being able to travel and see him for the first time in a year, but he passed away the day after my 2nd shot, on my sister's birthday (of all days). He lived in a state where masks aren't mandated and people generally don't want to get vaccinated. I'm glad Erie county is taking this position, since a crowd of 70,000 people could spread covid like wildfire. Either way, no one I know who's been vaccinated has had many side effects, other than a couple people with a 24 hour fever. But that's better than hospitalization or death... Sorry to hear about your Dad. I'm in a similar situation right now. Just got my 2nd shot and happy I got it as fast as I did. I'm booking a flight back to Buffalo as we speak to see my younger brother who is going through his fight against the C word. I wasn't going to do that until I was reasonably assured not to add to his issues. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiseman3 Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, dwight in philly said: Violation of HIPPA law.. No, it's not. By going to the game, you're making the choice to share your health information. No one is forcing you to go to the game, no one is stealing your information. Perhaps you should do some more research on what HIPPA is 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 Personally, I won't get it. If anything I'll just catch a Bills away game in the future, unless every NFL team follows suit. And if they do? I have my choice of quality TV's to watch the game on at home. If you do get the vaccine? Cool. If you're like me and you don't? Cool. It's everyone's own choice. I knew this was coming though. I've been saying since they started talking about "Operation Warp Speed" and the Covid vax last year. At first it will be offered to those who want it. Then they would use propaganda to "encourage" you to get it. Then they would use exclusion of the non-vax to try to make those on the fence leaning towards "not" instead get it. Then the pressure will get turned up at some point and they will try make people get it through various stipulations of what you can or can't do without it. Finally, they will attempt to make it mandatory. I say attempt because some people will still resist. We'll see how it plays out, but I think we're moving fairly quick through the stages. 3 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 Just now, chknwing334 said: How is it a violation of HIPPA law? Read the law.. its about one's personal privacy regarding medical issues.. im not getting into it.. i offered an opinion.. thats it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Just like the government in the US, a country, can say you can't come to the have unless you are vaccinated... You're rejected Is this COVID specific?.. or are you cool with the government mandating whatever they want along these lines? Edited April 13, 2021 by SCBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 minute ago, wiseman3 said: No, it's not. By going to the game, you're making the choice to share your health information. No one is forcing you to go to the game, no one is stealing your information. Perhaps you should do some more research on what HIPPA is jesus.. whatever.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 minute ago, dwight in philly said: Read the law.. its about one's personal privacy regarding medical issues.. im not getting into it.. i offered an opinion.. thats it.. No you didnt. You stated it as a fact. And you are wrong. But I knew that because you didnt even spell HIPAA right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 Really wanted to bring my 9 year old to opening day. Ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 Just now, DrDawkinstein said: No you didnt. You stated it as a fact. And you are wrong. But I knew that because you didnt even spell HIPAA right. gotcha! carry on.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, dwight in philly said: Violation of HIPPA law.. oh man, you’re in for a treat https://www.securitymagazine.com/articles/94493-china-has-stolen-the-personal-data-of-80-of-american-adults 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, SCBills said: Is this COVID specific?.. or are you cool with the government mandating whatever they want along these lines? Appeal to the Extremes Fallacy. Next! 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 Just now, BUFFALOBART said: The Govt. mandates that you have a driver's license. No it doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 minute ago, BUFFALOBART said: The Govt. mandates that you have a driver's license. Do they though?... I’m in Georgia right now, touchy subject. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 minute ago, quinnearlysghost88 said: oh man, you’re in for a treat https://www.securitymagazine.com/articles/94493-china-has-stolen-the-personal-data-of-80-of-american-adults not a surprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: No it doesn't. 1 minute ago, SCBills said: Do they though?... I’m in Georgia right now, touchy subject. Are you guys unaware that if you want to legally drive a car, you must have a license? Edited April 13, 2021 by DrDawkinstein 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, dwight in philly said: Read the law.. its about one's personal privacy regarding medical issues.. im not getting into it.. i offered an opinion.. thats it.. But your opinion is completely wrong. You claimed it was a violation, I’m interested in hearing why you came to that conclusion. Nobody is disclosing your private medical info. You would be voluntarily offering information if you choose to go to a game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 (edited) It was inevitable. I was going to wait to get the vaccine until I couldn't do any of the things I enjoy without it. Guess I'll be getting it sooner than expected. Edited April 13, 2021 by Mark Vader 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, dwight in philly said: Read the law.. its about one's personal privacy regarding medical issues.. im not getting into it.. i offered an opinion.. thats it.. nope. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lv-Bills Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 hour ago, aristocrat said: pretty much every kid had to get a vaccine to go to school so this isn't too much different. Huh? Unless this is a rule for kids in New York, this is pretty much 100% false. I have season tickets, live in VA, and neither of my kids were required to get vaccinations to go to school. My 5 year old is in Kindergarten, and my 11 year old is in 5th grade. Both have been in school all year (September through Current) 4 days per week, with Wednesdays off. School wasn't closed for Covid, not even once. There have only been a handful of positive Covid cases (Notifications via email) in the school building all year, and most were from employees. Most teachers were all vaccinated a couple of months ago, and that's when the high schools actually went back to school. No vaccination required there either. So, what kids had to get a vaccine to return to school? Thank god our school district actually was in school all year. I'm grateful to them for my kids future. It's still quite frowned upon that kids are vaccinated at this time anyway. At least the younger kids for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Mark Vader said: It was inevitable. I was going to wait to get the vaccine until I couldn't do any of the things I enjoy without it. Guess I'll be getting it sooner than expected. See, their plan worked! (and that is a good thing. best of luck getting an appointment, and hoping for minimal hangover) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, SCBills said: Is this COVID specific?.. or are you cool with the government mandating whatever they want along these lines? It's science specific and has to nothing to do with governments as far as I'm concered. Different areas of the world have different viruses, different bacteria etc. If you want to go to another area from one area, you shouldn't be bringing that stuff into a location that doesn't have it. It's the same thing as someone introducing a non-native invasive species into an area. There is nothing inherently wrong stopping the spread of a disease or illness if it's possible and you can use common sense precautions. Some people who are concerned government interference or requirements or overreach are those who don't actually believe in the need for any government, but when this topic comes up, all of a sudden it not being approved by the FDA (government agnecy) becomes an issue. Not saying this is you, just a general observation I have witnessed. This shouldn't even be a political issue imo... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Mark Vader said: It was inevitable. I was going to wait to get the vaccine until I couldn't do any of the things I enjoy without it. Guess I'll be getting it sooner than expected. Is it inevitable in Florida or Texas? They have full crowds. Seems we should wait to pass edicts for 5 months from now see how things work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake Ontario Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 hour ago, 4_kidd_4 said: Before you shout “muh freedoms!!!”, it’s private property. Also, IN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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