Boxcar Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 "Were there any consensual sexual encounters after a massage? Yes" I know there is porn dedicated to stuff happening during/after a massage, but a massage treatment is not sexual. It isn't supposed to be. That's a massive red flag when he's flying these women in for what seems to be a booty call, unbeknownst to them. "He didn't coerce or use his position of power." Even if he didn't do this consciously, come on. You simply can't be a guy like DeShaun Watson and not have that power inherently. It's like the Louis CK thing (and what Louie did wasn't right but I think amounted to making some women feel deeply uncomfortable). When you're in a position like that, people who view you as an idol of some kind can perceive that you have the power to advance their careers in some way, or ruin them if you say no, even if it isn't directly implied a la Harvey Weinstein. I get sometimes it can be tricky to discern true consent, but there are situations where maybe you should use Tinder instead, or have the woman agree to perform these acts before flying them in. I'm not going to assert Watson is guilty, but these admissions are from his own lawyer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behindenemylines Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 5 hours ago, Boxcar said: "Were there any consensual sexual encounters after a massage? Yes" I know there is porn dedicated to stuff happening during/after a massage, but a massage treatment is not sexual. It isn't supposed to be. That's a massive red flag when he's flying these women in for what seems to be a booty call, unbeknownst to them. "He didn't coerce or use his position of power." Even if he didn't do this consciously, come on. You simply can't be a guy like DeShaun Watson and not have that power inherently. It's like the Louis CK thing (and what Louie did wasn't right but I think amounted to making some women feel deeply uncomfortable). When you're in a position like that, people who view you as an idol of some kind can perceive that you have the power to advance their careers in some way, or ruin them if you say no, even if it isn't directly implied a la Harvey Weinstein. I get sometimes it can be tricky to discern true consent, but there are situations where maybe you should use Tinder instead, or have the woman agree to perform these acts before flying them in. I'm not going to assert Watson is guilty, but these admissions are from his own lawyer. I agree with everything you're saying. He knows he has "power" in the situation, just look at his actions trying to get traded! Also, he denied all of this initially, now the tune changes to consensual sex. That only happens when there is evidence, or so much circumstantial evidence that it can not really be denied any longer. A guy like this can pay for anything we would want in that department, just have his agent order it up, right? Discreet and clean, but the he did it this way because that is where the thrill was. Its going to get even uglier as the lawyers leak more info to keep up the public court of opinion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 (edited) Latest defense: Edited April 13, 2021 by Mr. WEO 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: Latest defense: 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: Latest defense: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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whatdrought Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 21 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Hmm.. There's an interesting contradiction in this tweet that actually makes a huge difference: Pelissero says "has dropped her civil lawsuit" Hardin says: "We've got one dismissed" Which is it? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEBills Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 31 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Hmm.. There's an interesting contradiction in this tweet that actually makes a huge difference: Pelissero says "has dropped her civil lawsuit" Hardin says: "We've got one dismissed" Which is it? I think most likely one person didn’t want her name to go public and to deal with all the troubles that come along with that rather than a settlement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNYfan Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 I think that one masseuse felt that her privacy was more important than this circus. I think, maybe, that by not wanting to be named publicly that her case will be dismissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 3 hours ago, whatdrought said: Hmm.. There's an interesting contradiction in this tweet that actually makes a huge difference: Pelissero says "has dropped her civil lawsuit" Hardin says: "We've got one dismissed" Which is it? it’s both, from different points of view. There’s no inconsistency there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 9 hours ago, whatdrought said: Hmm.. There's an interesting contradiction in this tweet that actually makes a huge difference: Pelissero says "has dropped her civil lawsuit" Hardin says: "We've got one dismissed" Which is it? Either the accuser didn’t want to reveal real name or could potentially have been settled resulting in a dismissal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 I expect a few more to fall by the wayside in the next couple of weeks as well but people shouldn't read anything into that one way or the other. It is normal in these sort of cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 On 4/9/2021 at 5:05 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said: I mean it's like a lot of football players eat 5 or 6 professionally prepared dinners a week during the preseason and season. The math on that is 100-120 meals from August until January, but they probably don't have 40 or 50 chefs preparing them; they find 1 or 2 who cook to their taste and then pay for those chefs to keep them as regular clients. I think that applies to how most athletes interact with massage therapists. They may be getting 2-3 massages a week, but they're primarily going to be sports massages with trained sports massage therapists, and the athletes are going to find therapists who get to know what they need in the way of attention to different muscle groups and who do the best work for them, personally. Agreed. He used IG to find them because he wanted to see what they looked like before hiring them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 6 hours ago, JoPoy88 said: it’s both, from different points of view. There’s no inconsistency there. Not necessarily. Dismissed could mean that the judge dismissed it, whereas dropped just means the plaintiff withdrew the suit. Do we know for a fact how that happened? I didn’t see anything on it other than this tweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 18 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Not necessarily. Dismissed could mean that the judge dismissed it, whereas dropped just means the plaintiff withdrew the suit. Do we know for a fact how that happened? I didn’t see anything on it other than this tweet. A Judge hasn't seen these cases yet. They have only recently been filed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaggersEOD Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 17 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Not necessarily. Dismissed could mean that the judge dismissed it, whereas dropped just means the plaintiff withdrew the suit. Do we know for a fact how that happened? I didn’t see anything on it other than this tweet. Yeah I think this does need some clarification. To my non-lawyer ear, dismissed means a judge decided that the case has no merit and dismissed it. Dropped means the person filing the charges decided to not continue pursuit for whatever reason. IMO dismissed implies innocence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: A Judge hasn't seen these cases yet. They have only recently been filed. Thanks, I haven’t been keeping that close an eye on it. Just saw the wording and got confused. 3 minutes ago, DaggersEOD said: Yeah I think this does need some clarification. To my non-lawyer ear, dismissed means a judge decided that the case has no merit and dismissed it. Dropped means the person filing the charges decided to not continue pursuit for whatever reason. IMO dismissed implies innocence. That’s what my first thought was, but I did some digging and it looks like in legal terms dismissed can mean: - dismissed by the overseeing authority, as in, the judge throws it out. or - the defendant has been “dismissed” from charges/dismissed from the filing. I hadn’t heard the second version used before, but that would likely be why the lawyer phrased it that way. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaggersEOD Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 48 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Thanks, I haven’t been keeping that close an eye on it. Just saw the wording and got confused. That’s what my first thought was, but I did some digging and it looks like in legal terms dismissed can mean: - dismissed by the overseeing authority, as in, the judge throws it out. or - the defendant has been “dismissed” from charges/dismissed from the filing. I hadn’t heard the second version used before, but that would likely be why the lawyer phrased it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 1 hour ago, whatdrought said: Thanks, I haven’t been keeping that close an eye on it. Just saw the wording and got confused. That’s what my first thought was, but I did some digging and it looks like in legal terms dismissed can mean: - dismissed by the overseeing authority, as in, the judge throws it out. or - the defendant has been “dismissed” from charges/dismissed from the filing. I hadn’t heard the second version used before, but that would likely be why the lawyer phrased it that way. Plaintiffs can dismiss their own cases. Happens all the time. There are all kinds of reasons one of these cases might have been dismissed. The dismissed case might even get re-filed. That’s not uncommon, either. 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Either the accuser didn’t want to reveal real name or could potentially have been settled resulting in a dismissal Trying to think who Hardin looks like... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, mannc said: Plaintiffs can dismiss their own cases. Happens all the time. There are all kinds of reasons one of these cases might have been dismissed. The dismissed case might even get re-filed. That’s not uncommon, either. Trying to think who Hardin looks like... Jerry Jones without plastic surgery Edited April 14, 2021 by YoloinOhio 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 11 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Jerry Jones without plastic surgery I was thinking Marge Schott... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 1 hour ago, mannc said: I was thinking Marge Schott... I can hear her smoker’s voice right now 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 I did not know a case could be dismissed before it gets heard in court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 11 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: I did not know a case could be dismissed before it gets heard in court. Happens all the time 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 Just now, mannc said: Happens all the time Is that what happened here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 Just now, GoBills808 said: Is that what happened here? I think several cases have to be dropped and re-filed due to a judge saying that the cases need to have real names attached. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 7 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Is that what happened here? Seems like it; it’s seems that the plaintiff just dismissed her own case, for some reason. Can’t tell why. She might re-file it, or not. 8 minutes ago, LeviF91 said: I think several cases have to be dropped and re-filed due to a judge saying that the cases need to have real names attached. That should not be necessary. The existing complaints can just be amended to add the plaintiffs’ real names. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, mannc said: Seems like it; it’s seems that the plaintiff just dismissed her own case, for some reason. Can’t tell why. She might re-file it, or not. That should not be necessary. The existing complaints can just be amended to add the plaintiffs’ real names. In any case looks like still cases in the double digits, more and more of them seem fine with rolling with their real names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 11 minutes ago, mannc said: Seems like it; it’s seems that the plaintiff just dismissed her own case, for some reason. Can’t tell why. She might re-file it, or not. That should not be necessary. The existing complaints can just be amended to add the plaintiffs’ real names. When a plantiff decides to drop the case I thought it was withdrawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: When a plantiff decides to drop the case I thought it was withdrawn. “Withdrawn” isn’t really a legal term. Complaints that are filed, but don’t make it to trial are dismissed. Complaints are dismissed for all sorts of reasons, including settlements or a judge finding that the case has no merit. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/04/14/another-lawsuit-is-filed-against-deshaun-watson/ another one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/04/14/another-lawsuit-is-filed-against-deshaun-watson/ another one... A makeup artist? He really got creative 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: A makeup artist? He really got creative LOL I didn’t even catch that during the article. So sketchy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: A makeup artist? He really got creative Excuse me, can you powder my balls? While you're down there... Edited April 14, 2021 by TBBills 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 (edited) 17 hours ago, whatdrought said: Not necessarily. Dismissed could mean that the judge dismissed it, whereas dropped just means the plaintiff withdrew the suit. Do we know for a fact how that happened? I didn’t see anything on it other than this tweet. Only “new” news I heard earlier today was that the dismissed suit was not a result of any kind of settlement with that plaintiff. EDIT: It seems clear now the one plaintiff that withdrew her suit did so because she did not want her name released, as now all 21 of 22 plaintiffs will after judges’ decisions. Edited April 15, 2021 by JoPoy88 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 25 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: A makeup artist? He really got creative ““Plaintiff was mentally beat, the pressure from Watson’s relentless instruction coercing her against her will left her powerless,” the lawsuit alleges.” That reads like one of those 1980s paperback novels with Fabio on the cover. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mannc Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: A makeup artist? He really got creative This is good news for the defense. Just imagine how many makeup artists Watson didn't sexually assault.... Edited April 15, 2021 by mannc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 On 4/13/2021 at 10:34 AM, Boxcar said: "Were there any consensual sexual encounters after a massage? Yes" I know there is porn dedicated to stuff happening during/after a massage, but a massage treatment is not sexual. It isn't supposed to be. That's a massive red flag when he's flying these women in for what seems to be a booty call, unbeknownst to them. "He didn't coerce or use his position of power." Even if he didn't do this consciously, come on. You simply can't be a guy like DeShaun Watson and not have that power inherently. It's like the Louis CK thing (and what Louie did wasn't right but I think amounted to making some women feel deeply uncomfortable). When you're in a position like that, people who view you as an idol of some kind can perceive that you have the power to advance their careers in some way, or ruin them if you say no, even if it isn't directly implied a la Harvey Weinstein. I get sometimes it can be tricky to discern true consent, but there are situations where maybe you should use Tinder instead, or have the woman agree to perform these acts before flying them in. I'm not going to assert Watson is guilty, but these admissions are from his own lawyer. This is what happens when you treat women as objects and not as human beings. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 15 hours ago, mannc said: Trying to think who Hardin looks like... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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