njbuff Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 WTF is going on here? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Does her claim say that he indicated he has done this to multiple women/multiple times? If not, what’s the legality of including that phrasing in her suit - given as it’s not a class action suit. That’s part of my issue with the whole thing- these accusations are all building on each other in a way that the legal system doesn’t support. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 6 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Does her claim say that he indicated he has done this to multiple women/multiple times? If not, what’s the legality of including that phrasing in her suit - given as it’s not a class action suit. That’s part of my issue with the whole thing- these accusations are all building on each other in a way that the legal system doesn’t support. I mean you can assert whatever you like in your statement of claim, but you might be asked to evidence that statement at some point and I agree given that these are at the moment separate lawsuits it is hard to see how you would support that unless the woman involved was subject of or witness to multiple incidents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 Summary of the 14 allegations https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31113664/summary-lawsuits-deshaun-watson?appsrc=sc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 I will rush to judgement. I'm sorry, but 14 suits now? This is not a money grab. This scumbags career is over. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 Entire thing is very odd and suspicious. the fact that he finds all these women on IG? I am currently looking for a RMT while mine is on MAT leave and use Google lol Never even thought of IG Very odd that all stories share similar complaints and specific details. Makes it hard to think all 14 women are in this together. If I'm Watson, I'm sweating buckets right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 43 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: A few things look somewhat suspicious to me, if actually true. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/texans-star-deshaun-watson-now-facing-13-sexual-misconduct-lawsuits-under-investigation-by-nfl/ - it seems like almost every time he went for a massage, he went to a new, relatively unknown female masseuse. - most appear to be single mothers he reached out to on Instagram - the details shared by all of these women are very similar. - just the sheer number of women coming forward (13 lawsuits filed so far) Why look for random female masseuses on Instagram? Why go to unknown/cheap masseuses at all when you have access to the best trainers + therapy in the world? Why a new person all the time? Most people I know who go to massage therapy find a therapist they like. We don’t even know if these allegations are true though. I’ll hold judgement until I see how Watson’s lawyer responds and what evidence both sides offer. My $0.02 is that much like rape, this is not about sex or massages, it is about power. He can afford any massage therapist in the world. He can also afford any escort in the world. If it were about just a "kink" or getting off, he could absolutely have a rotation of women on speed dial that he rotates through every month (or whatever). I am sure there is no shortage of escorts in Houston who do this regularly. But he didn't because it was never about that. I agree, this doesn't make sense from a kink, sex, or even money perspective. All it takes is one to be true, and the odds of 20 women all lying is slim to none. The one thing that has shifted for me is, did ownership know about it the whole time, and work to keep it quite so they could keep their franchise QB. But now that he keeps asking to leave, they are cleaning the skeletons out of the closest. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 52 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: Sorry but that makes zero sense to me. I don't understand how a person wouldn't first go to the police in a sexual assault situation. Like I understand the victims hesitation to do anything based on fear or other factors, but if the person has the courage to come forward, the police should be contacted right away instead of the media or a lawyer. Ok for argument's sake let's remove the current allegations from discussion and just talk about Person A - a celebrity who has money and Person B - someone who gives massages, whether sports or regular. How is Person B supposed to prove that anything was done in an instance where they were coerced into a handy? Any physical evidence could be written off as a consensual act, after all Person A is a celebrity. Person B knows that going to the police will simply open them up to Person A's legal team eviscerating them in public should the allegations come to light. Person B goes to a lawyer and is told that the standard for a criminal case is beyond a reasonable doubt, which is much higher than the civil standard of preponderance of the evidence (more likely than not, the incident happened). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 20 minutes ago, Canadian Bills Fan said: Entire thing is very odd and suspicious. the fact that he finds all these women on IG? I am currently looking for a RMT while mine is on MAT leave and use Google lol Never even thought of IG Very odd that all stories share similar complaints and specific details. Makes it hard to think all 14 women are in this together. If I'm Watson, I'm sweating buckets right now tons of people advertise their businesses/services on IG nowadays, but yeah, you’re right - this is looking worse by the minute for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 Circumstantial evidence alleged in the ESPN report should be pretty easy to corroborate - just get copies of the texts from Watson and IG messages. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Back2Buff said: Sorry but that makes zero sense to me. I don't understand how a person wouldn't first go to the police in a sexual assault situation. Like I understand the victims hesitation to do anything based on fear or other factors, but if the person has the courage to come forward, the police should be contacted right away instead of the media or a lawyer. It’s a fair question but if you read the specific allegations, it seems like Watson was consciously doing scummy, awful things while not blatantly crossing the line that would make him criminally responsible for sexual assault. There was enough ambiguity in the “situations” that the women may have felt that Watson was a scumbag but probably couldn’t be successfully prosecuted for a crime, especially if each of the incidents were viewed in isolation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: Circumstantial evidence alleged in the ESPN report should be pretty easy to corroborate - just get copies of the texts from Watson and IG messages. Yeah, the IG messages should be easy enough to provide to add some more legitimacy to this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 31 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Summary of the 14 allegations https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31113664/summary-lawsuits-deshaun-watson?appsrc=sc This one is the most serious allegation (forced oral), but I find it difficult to believe. June 2020 and Aug. 17, 2020, at a hotel and later a spa in Houston. The plaintiff, who offers bodywork and stretch therapy classes, markets her business through Instagram. She said she initially did not know who Watson was when he contacted her through the manager at a spa where she worked. She met him at a hotel where he was staying, the lawsuit says. She says Watson groped her buttocks and *****, and she slapped him. She says he later touched her hand with his penis. On Aug. 17, she says, Watson reached out on Instagram, and she didn't realize the connection to her earlier client until he arrived. The lawsuit says Watson apologized for his earlier behavior but during the appointment exposed himself, forced the woman's mouth onto his penis and masturbated in front of her. I suppose it's possible for her to not know who Watson was the first time in June. Not everyone is an NFL fan, although I'm sure Watson has lots of commercials/billboards/etc in the Houston area. The part I can't believe is she didn't recognize his name when he reached out for a second meeting in August. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: Sorry but that makes zero sense to me. I don't understand how a person wouldn't first go to the police in a sexual assault situation. Like I understand the victims hesitation to do anything based on fear or other factors, but if the person has the courage to come forward, the police should be contacted right away instead of the media or a lawyer. I don't know why these women did not go to the police first of all, but sexual assaults are generally under reported to the authorities so I wouldn't make too many assumptions based on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 4 hours ago, Victory Formation said: Oh, yeah? So you don’t think that the parents of children in Houston have a lot of explaining to do when it comes to their children who wear Deshaun Watson jerseys? It is disappointing. To me it is shocking and devastating. We’re talking about a star who fell, many kids idolize him. This doesn’t happen every day. This is a scandal of Bill Cosby, Darren Sharper and Kellen Winslow like proportions. Many folks such as myself are struggling to see if there’s any good left in the world, these last two years have been tough and it’s probably only going to continue to get worse from here. Yeah. Stop worshiping athletes and simply enjoy the TV show. That's also a lesson parents can impart to their kids. If this stuff is true, tell your kid you're throwing out the jersey representing a really bad man. Pretty simple bit of parenting right there... The NFL in particular is littered with abusers throughout its history---why pick 3 and then pretend the numbers are so low as to be "shocking" that it may have happened again? They aren't. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 On 3/21/2021 at 7:50 AM, DaggersEOD said: Honestly bro, the more money they have, the less interested they are in “getting to know” the neighbors. They typically value their privacy and don’t go hang out with the neighbor down the street from my (very very very limited) experience. In my experience people with that level of wealth all go to the same country club and all like to connect each other to name drop and make more money. I do not live in these neighborhoods but I do know wealthy people and they really do like to talk about each other. They may not barbecue together like a common neighbor but believe me they know each other if they live in an exclusive neighborhood. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 (edited) 18 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: We are potentially looking at the end of a career. Well at least we won't have to worry about him ending up on the Dolphins. 55 minutes ago, Locomark said: In my experience people with that level of wealth all go to the same country club and all like to connect each other to name drop and make more money. I do not live in these neighborhoods but I do know wealthy people and they really do like to talk about each other. They may not barbecue together like a common neighbor but believe me they know each other if they live in an exclusive neighborhood. My uncle doesn't know his neighbors but knows what they do (Rich Doctor). Meanwhile my old block where my parents still live they know everyone(Middle Class). Edited March 23, 2021 by TBBills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBob Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 2 hours ago, whatdrought said: Does her claim say that he indicated he has done this to multiple women/multiple times? If not, what’s the legality of including that phrasing in her suit - given as it’s not a class action suit. That’s part of my issue with the whole thing- these accusations are all building on each other in a way that the legal system doesn’t support. This is not so true any more, particularly with respect to sexual harassment behavior where a pattern of behavior is useful to illustrate a defendant's propensity to take advantage of a situation in which he feels empowered to stalk or otherwise abuse a woman because she isn't likely to feel sufficiently empowered to seek accountability. There are a number of evolving exceptions to this black letter evidentiary rule that one cannot introduce prior bad acts to prove a propensity to commit the acts of which he is accused. If the allegations are true, Watson is taking advantage of the fact that there will be no one there to corroborate his behavior, so it will be his word against hers. Massages are acceptable situations to be naked. There are excuses that can be made about arousal and that it was unintentional. He is a celebrity with lots of money, and women will feel it more easy to suffer it rather than be subjected to the old victim blaming memes like, "Why were you there with him in an isolated situation and performing a sensual act and he was just misreading signals, blah blah....." While these exceptions have largely evolved out of stalking and domestic violence cases, they are being extended to other situations in which there is little actual physical evidence that can be used to prove the act or too many explanations for the existence of that evidence, other than that there are boatloads of women who have been harassed in the virtually the same way and other the same or very similar circumstances. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BuffaloBills1998 Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 15 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: What sources?? His lawyers lol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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