Texans' Deshaun Watson accused of indecent conduct in civil lawsuit; QB denies wrongdoing

[wppete]

23 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I said that about Michael Vick.  And yet....

Very true. Time will tell. 

[YoloinOhio]

9 hours ago, Warcodered said:

I saw a reply in a tweet that noted that all of these massage therapists are women which I mean maybe that doesn't mean anything but it certainly doesn't help.

I mean still it's not like he can be sued without them identifying themselves at some point, this feels like a weird thing for them to keep pointing out.

The weird part is the lawyer creepily celebrating that there is a criminal filing 

[Bill from NYC]

9 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I said that about Michael Vick.  And yet....

That is an excellent point.

 

If any of the numerous allegations against Watson are true, maybe we will see who the NFL is more concerned about alienating: dog lovers or women. 

 

PS: For the record, I believe that it shouldn't come down to this. It would be pretty cool if right and wrong entered into the equation.

Edited April 3, 2021 by Bill from NYC

[Reed83HOF]

18 hours ago, TBBills Fan said:

 

 

what if the Texans helped make sure that this got out?

[Reed83HOF]

10 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I said that about Michael Vick.  And yet....

Just force Watson to kneel during the anthem 🤦‍♂️

23 hours ago, whatdrought said:

Imagine if a team had traded 3 firsts+ for him before all this came out! 

 

21 hours ago, without a drought said:

Still not getting his happy ending.

 

The Texans aren't either.

 

What the hell is this? father and son accounts?

[DaggersEOD]

14 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Am I the only one who took this as, “Now that we know who she is, we can drag her name through the dirt”

[YoloinOhio]

18 hours ago, MJS said:

Just the fact that he has been to so many massage therapists is creepy. What's that, like at least 40? That's not normal. Usually you find one or two you like and schedule with them. Why on earth would you need to go to so many unless it was for some fetish?

And while not a crime, he met with many of them during the Covid pandemic when he was supposed to be limiting contact with people outside the organization 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

19 hours ago, TBBills Fan said:

what if the Texans helped make sure that this got out?

 

by "The Texans" I would assume you mean, one or more people in a position of power with the Texans?

In that case, I believe an immediate SAR operation should be launched to find said person's last remaining neuron or neurons and return them safely to their skull.

[BarleyNY]

14 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

For a long time,  there has been a long list of specific penalties and corresponding fines suspensions.  The new CBA now has the initial penalty decided by a neutral arbitrator.  Goodell only handles appeals.

 

He’s not spinning the penalty wheel.  

Ah. You are correct.  I didn’t realize the new CBA changed the procedure.  There is now disciplinary officer, who is approved of by both the NFL and NFLPA, in charge of initial findings and penalties. Goodell has the ability to place a player on an exempt list where they don’t practice or play, but get paid. And he handles appeals, as you said.  Here is an article that explains this all wrt Watson if anyone else wants to read up on it. 

[Mr. WEO]

6 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

Ah. You are correct.  I didn’t realize the new CBA changed the procedure.  There is now disciplinary officer, who is approved of by both the NFL and NFLPA, in charge of initial findings and penalties. Goodell has the ability to place a player on an exempt list where they don’t practice or play, but get paid. And he handles appeals, as you said.  Here is an article that explains this all wrt Watson if anyone else wants to read up on it. 

 

The new CBA is a huge difference from before.  The judge and jury is now the arbitrator.  There may be fewer appeals needed with this process.  But the article reiterates the existence of a fine/suspension schedule and the mandatory minimums.

[whatdrought]

3 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:

What the hell is this? father and son accounts?

More like the 46 year old Bangladesh man catfishing impersonation version of me.... 

[Pokebball]

3 hours ago, DaggersEOD said:

Am I the only one who took this as, “Now that we know who she is, we can drag her name through the dirt”

Maybe.  But a fundamental in our legal process is that we all have the right to face our accusers.  And I get the media and their right to protect their sources.  But all of these unnamed and anonymous sources we've experienced lately are approaching, and perhaps have crossed, a sense of fairness.

 

I guess my thought is that this point was going to have to come.  I'm also glad we've got to this point and it is in no way because I want to see anyone dragged through the dirt.  I want the truth to prevail.

[DaggersEOD]

18 minutes ago, Pokebball said:

Maybe.  But a fundamental in our legal process is that we all have the right to face our accusers.  And I get the media and their right to protect their sources.  But all of these unnamed and anonymous sources we've experienced lately are approaching, and perhaps have crossed, a sense of fairness.

 

I guess my thought is that this point was going to have to come.  I'm also glad we've got to this point and it is in no way because I want to see anyone dragged through the dirt.  I want the truth to prevail.

I completely agree about the need to face your accuser(s). It’s one of the invaluable benefits of our system of laws and justice. 
 

My comment is more along the lines of what was said, in the context of this case. Once they get a name, they’ll be able to aim a world class marketing machine at the individual to win in the court of public opinion. 
 

Think about all the people and companies who have invested in the Watson persona. All the endorsements, the agent, the NFL, the Texans, friends of Watson ( in and out of the locker room), Social Justice/Community Investment outreach programs he supports, etc. all have a vested interest in the Watson brand surviving this situation. 
 

And all they have to do it convince a certain percentage that the accuser is a less than stellar / upstanding / squeaky clean person. 

The gleeful tone of the tweet just made my skin crawl is all. And again, this is why women usually don’t step forward. 

[Bill from NYC]

4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

And while not a crime, he met with many of them during the Covid pandemic when he was supposed to be limiting contact with people outside the organization 

He was probably taking it easy due to the pandemic.

[BuffaloBills1998]

15 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I said that about Michael Vick.  And yet....

Vick should’ve been banned from the NFL for life. He’s a piece of ***** excuse for a human being. I don’t care what he did to to change himself, he will always be a dog killer and abuser. Another one of 

Goodell’s screw ups. I’ll never ever respect Vick after all he did

[Protocal69]

6 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Vick should’ve been banned from the NFL for life. He’s a piece of ***** excuse for a human being. I don’t care what he did to to change himself, he will always be a dog killer and abuser. Another one of 

Goodell’s screw ups. I’ll never ever respect Vick after all he did

Hope no one ever holds you to the same standard of no forgiveness. 

Edited April 4, 2021 by Protocal69

[BuffaloBills1998]

56 minutes ago, Protocal69 said:

Hope no one ever holds you to the same standard of no forgiveness. 

Plenty have for various reasons, but I never hurt or tortured defenseless animals like Vick did. To me there’s never any forgiveness when it comes to sexual assault or hurting animals.

[pennstate10]

23 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I said that about Michael Vick.  And yet....

Let’s face it. 
 

Vick wasn’t  an effective football player after the dog fighting charges and conviction. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

13 minutes ago, pennstate10 said:

Let’s face it. 
 

Vick wasn’t  an effective football player after the dog fighting charges and conviction. 

 

Some people would argue he was a better QB (higher completion %, more ypg) albeit a less effective rusher.  I’m not going to go there.

 

The point is, he returned to the NFL game after being suspended, tried, convicted and serving time in prison.

[BuffaloBills1998]

31 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Some people would argue he was a better QB (higher completion %, more ypg) albeit a less effective rusher.  I’m not going to go there.

 

The point is, he returned to the NFL game after being suspended, tried, convicted and serving time in prison.

In the METOO climate we live in, if convicted I highly doubt the NFL would ever welcome him back. If they can blackball Kap for kneeling to the anthem then they’ll definitely blackball Watson from the NFL without a second thought. NFL is political and the worry about their reputation. The last thing they would want is the media chewing them a new ####### for letting a rapist back in the league

[pennstate10]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Some people would argue he was a better QB (higher completion %, more ypg) albeit a less effective rusher.  I’m not going to go there.

 

The point is, he returned to the NFL game after being suspended, tried, convicted and serving time in prison.

Hmm...

 

let’s see. 
 

he had a 20-20 record with zero playoff appearances after his return from dogfighting. 
 

id say that qualifies as ineffective. 
 

maybe that’s effective in your book. A judgement call I guess. 

[Boxcar]

2 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

In the METOO climate we live in, if convicted I highly doubt the NFL would ever welcome him back. If they can blackball Kap for kneeling to the anthem then they’ll definitely blackball Watson from the NFL without a second thought. NFL is political and the worry about their reputation. The last thing they would want is the media chewing them a new ####### for letting a rapist back in the league

Kaepernick isn't being blackballed for kneeling. He's being blackballed because he's terrible at football.

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, pennstate10 said:

Hmm...

 

let’s see. 
 

he had a 20-20 record with zero playoff appearances after his return from dogfighting. 
 

id say that qualifies as ineffective. 
 

maybe that’s effective in your book. A judgement call I guess. 

 

I was not a big Vick guy before or after the suspension but I think 2010 was his best season. 

2 hours ago, Boxcar said:

Kaepernick isn't being blackballed for kneeling. He's being blackballed because he's terrible at football.

 

It is both actually. If he was a true franchise level Quarterback his kneeling would have been overlooked. But he isn't. He was however less terrible at football than many of the guys around the league in backup jobs then and now. The issue is NFL teams have 1 pretty clear rule about backup QBs.... they must not be a distraction to the team. And Kap would be. That is why as of last season Blaine Gabbert was still in the league and Kap wasn't. 

[ALF]

Tyrod Taylor would be next man up so not too bad.

[Rico]

19 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Vick should’ve been banned from the NFL for life. He’s a piece of ***** excuse for a human being. I don’t care what he did to to change himself, he will always be a dog killer and abuser. Another one of 

Goodell’s screw ups. I’ll never ever respect Vick after all he did

Killing and abusing dogs is horrible, no doubt.

 

If all this stuff is true though, when it comes to being a human being,

Mike Vick > Deshaun Watson.

[whatdrought]

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

It is both actually. If he was a true franchise level Quarterback his kneeling would have been overlooked. But he isn't. He was however less terrible at football than many of the guys around the league in backup jobs then and now. The issue is NFL teams have 1 pretty clear rule about backup QBs.... they must not be a distraction to the team. And Kap would be. That is why as of last season Blaine Gabbert was still in the league and Kap wasn't. 

 

This. 

 

He wants to be a distraction and the juice ain't worth the squeeze. No way I'm fielding 5 questions about why my Backup QB did x y or z every press conference. 

[DaggersEOD]

12 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Plenty have for various reasons, but I never hurt or tortured defenseless animals like Vick did. To me there’s never any forgiveness when it comes to sexual assault or hurting animals.

I dunno man.
 

I tend to value women more than dogs. 

[BuffaloBills1998]

58 minutes ago, Rico said:

Killing and abusing dogs is horrible, no doubt.

 

If all this stuff is true though, when it comes to being a human being,

Mike Vick > Deshaun Watson.

I don’t know how you can call Vick a good human being. I really fail to see that picture, but to each his own. 

25 minutes ago, DaggersEOD said:

I dunno man.
 

I tend to value women more than dogs. 

I tend to value all animals in general more than human beings, but that’s just me. 

[Rico]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

I don’t know how you can call Vick a good human being. I really fail to see that picture, but to each his own. 

I tend to value all animals in general more than human beings, but that’s just me. 

I didn't say Vick was a good human being. I said that if all this stuff about Watson is true, then Watson is worse than Vick.

[Mat68]

11 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I was not a big Vick guy before or after the suspension but I think 2010 was his best season. 

 

It is both actually. If he was a true franchise level Quarterback his kneeling would have been overlooked. But he isn't. He was however less terrible at football than many of the guys around the league in backup jobs then and now. The issue is NFL teams have 1 pretty clear rule about backup QBs.... they must not be a distraction to the team. And Kap would be. That is why as of last season Blaine Gabbert was still in the league and Kap wasn't. 

Kaep wasn't significantly better than Gabbert and that is what started this whole thing in the first place.  Kaep wanted starter money.  If he took a team friendly deal like Winston and Trubisky he is probably Lamar's primary back up at this point.

Edited April 4, 2021 by Mat68

[GunnerBill]

7 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

Kaep wasn't significantly better than Gabbert and that is what started this whole thing in the first place.  Kaep wanted starter money.  If he took a team friendly deal like Winston and Trubisky he is probably Lamar's primary back up at this point.

 

It depends on your interpretation of significantly. But it was pretty clear seeing both on the field with the same supporting cast in 2016 that Kap was better. Agree that in the early years he was probably wanting too much money, but it is mainly about distraction from a position that needs to be not seen and not heard.

[Mr. WEO]

16 hours ago, pennstate10 said:

Let’s face it. 
 

Vick wasn’t  an effective football player after the dog fighting charges and conviction. 

 

He was PB his first season as Eagles starter and they made the playoffs.  Had career highs for passing and rushing TDs in only 12 games.

[Doc Brown]

14 hours ago, Rico said:

I didn't say Vick was a good human being. I said that if all this stuff about Watson is true, then Watson is worse than Vick.

Disagree but I'm a dog person.  Betting on two dogs fighting to the death is pretty sick.  Hanging, electrocuting, and drowning dogs deemed not aggressive enough is pretty appalling.

 

I'm not downplaying him putting these women in extremely uncomfortable situations but there's been no accusations of rape to the best of my knowledge.

 

[Behindenemylines]

9 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Disagree but I'm a dog person.  Betting on two dogs fighting to the death is pretty sick.  Hanging, electrocuting, and drowning dogs deemed not aggressive enough is pretty appalling.

 

I'm not downplaying him putting these women in extremely uncomfortable situations but there's been no accusations of rape to the best of my knowledge.

 

The forced BJ would be considered Rape in many circumstances.  

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, Behindenemylines said:

The forced BJ would be considered Rape in many circumstances.  

If true, as awful as that is at least they can live to talk about it and probably get compensated.  The dogs on the other hand........

[wppete]

8 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

If true, as awful as that is at least they can live to talk about it and probably get compensated.  The dogs on the other hand........

Wow! Just wow! 

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, Behindenemylines said:

The forced BJ would be considered Rape in many every circumstances.  

 

fixed for accuracy

[YoloinOhio]

 

 

[wppete]

4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

Those are really disturbing to read. I can’t see how anyone can defend this type of behavior. Should be interesting to see who continues to defend him after reading that. Very disturbing. 

[wppete]

42 Women?