Watson vs Allen.

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, SGA50 said:

 

1000% true

 

Ball Velocity at the NFL Combine

 

https://www.ourlads.com/story/default/Quarterback-Ball-Velocity-at-NFL-Combine-2008-2017/10243/dh/

 

Deshaun Watson Clemson 45 (Left) 45 (Right)

 

Josh Allen Wyoming 62 (Left) 62 (Right)

 

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Hmmm...let's see here. 8 home games in cold, windy Buffalo (and a road game at Foxboro)....do I want a 45mph Noodle Arm or a 62mph Cannon? 

 

Tough decision. NOT

 

This is a silly discussion. Like I said - the Bills would not even accept TWO 1ST ROUND PICKS on top of Watson, for Josh. Watson is not a fit in Buffalo, at all. Josh is the vastly better QB in every way shape or form. It is not debatable whatsoever.

 

 

Lock this silly thread please.

1 - it is stupid because it will never happen.

 

2 - Not taking Watson and 2 1sts for Allen is certainly an opinion.

[auburnbillsbacker]

I can't ever imagine an Allen led team only winning 4 games like Watson's team did this year.  During Allen's rookie year the Bills were not a very talented team but he still won close to half of his starts.  Allen is better than Watson in my opinion.  

[Chicken Boo]

19 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Josh is better than Watson & always will be.  Watson was 4-12 this past season.  No team with Josh Allen as the starting QB would ever go 4-12.  Even in Josh's rookie year, with no offensive line or WRs, Josh willed the team to 5 wins out of the 11 games he started.  Watson loses, Josh wins.  Wins are the most important statistic because a QB makes everyone around him better.  Josh does that, Watson doesn't.  

 

...OR the defense played really well and kept us in games, despite Allen's rookie struggles.

[C.Biscuit97]

1 hour ago, auburnbillsbacker said:

I can't ever imagine an Allen led team only winning 4 games like Watson's team did this year.  During Allen's rookie year the Bills were not a very talented team but he still won close to half of his starts.  Allen is better than Watson in my opinion.  

Again this is stupid because they are both top 5 qbs. But let’s not make up things here.

 

2020 - Houston’s defense was 3rd worst in yards (416.8) and gave up 29 points/ game. Watson accounted for 5200 (lost yards on sacks) yards of their 6004 total yards with the second worst running attack in the nfl. 
 

2018 - Buffalo averaged 298.6 yards per game, 16.8 points/ game, had the 9th best running attack, and had the 2nd best defense in terms of yards and gave up 23.4 points/ game.

 

This is crazy but if Watson had the 9th best running attack and the 2nd best defense this year, I think they win more than 4 games. Why people are bashing Watson is really strange. Both him and Allen are awesome and Watson is off to one of the best career starts of any qb in history. 

[NewEra]

20 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

This. I have never heard of little guy Ricco. 

 

Deshaun Watson is great but I wouldn't swap Josh Allen for him. 

It’s Rico.  He owns Buffalo Fanatics (iirc).  It’s a YouTube channel.  He does a show 2-3 times a week and has other podcasters do shows on the other nights.  He’s had Isaiah mckenzie, Mario Addison, John fina and other bills/former bills on the show.  Mckenzie was on a few time this year.  I believe it’s the most lucrative Bills fan channel. Pretty sure he gets more views than Erik Turner @ cover1.   I enjoy both channels.
 

 

 

Josh is better than Watson

Josh is better than Mahomes

Josh is better than Rodgers

Josh is better than Brady

Josh would never only win 4 games

Josh would’ve won the a super bowl if he was on the chiefs

 

get over it. Josh is great. Be happy.  No need to compare him to anyone and everyone.  Feel fortunate 

[auburnbillsbacker]

2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Again this is stupid because they are both top 5 qbs. But let’s not make up things here.

 

2020 - Houston’s defense was 3rd worst in yards (416.8) and gave up 29 points/ game. Watson accounted for 5200 (lost yards on sacks) yards of their 6004 total yards with the second worst running attack in the nfl. 
 

2018 - Buffalo averaged 298.6 yards per game, 16.8 points/ game, had the 9th best running attack, and had the 2nd best defense in terms of yards and gave up 23.4 points/ game.

 

This is crazy but if Watson had the 9th best running attack and the 2nd best defense this year, I think they win more than 4 games. Why people are bashing Watson is really strange. Both him and Allen are awesome and Watson is off to one of the best career starts of any qb in history. 

I didn't bash him.  I said Allen was better.  I stand by my opinion, Allen would never go 4-12 as a starter. 

[C.Biscuit97]

3 minutes ago, auburnbillsbacker said:

I didn't bash him.  I said Allen was better.  I stand by my opinion, Allen would never go 4-12 as a starter. 

He was terrible as a rookie and played with the number 2 defense. 
 

do you honestly believe if Watson had the number 2 defense, he wins 4 games? Or if Beane was putting together the team instead of O’Brien? They traded away the best receiver in football for a washed up rb while we used a 1st for Diggs? 
 

You do realize football is a team game right? Brees would be on the number 1 offense and have 7 wins. Does that mean he was the reason that team didn’t win?

 

Because that’s absolutely insane. 

Edited February 12, 2021 by C.Biscuit97

[dave mcbride]

4 hours ago, SGA50 said:

 

1000% true

 

Ball Velocity at the NFL Combine

 

https://www.ourlads.com/story/default/Quarterback-Ball-Velocity-at-NFL-Combine-2008-2017/10243/dh/

 

Deshaun Watson Clemson 45 (Left) 45 (Right)

 

Josh Allen Wyoming 62 (Left) 62 (Right)

 

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Hmmm...let's see here. 8 home games in cold, windy Buffalo (and a road game at Foxboro)....do I want a 45mph Noodle Arm or a 62mph Cannon? 

 

Tough decision. NOT

 

This is a silly discussion. Like I said - the Bills would not even accept TWO 1ST ROUND PICKS on top of Watson, for Josh. Watson is not a fit in Buffalo, at all. Josh is the vastly better QB in every way shape or form. It is not debatable whatsoever.

 

 

Lock this silly thread please.

Dude, cool your jets with the hostile snark. Jeez. Allen played in all of two inclement weather games this season - KC and Baltimore. The offense scored 17 and 10 points. As for Watson, he threw 49, not 45 (http://insidethepylon.com/nfl/2019-nfl-draft/2019/03/10/ball-velocity-is-bunk/ and https://nflcombineresults.com/playerpage.php?i=22529), but the real takeaway is that the number was wildly non-predictive of performance -- just like Allen's completion percentage in college was non-predictive. Why people have to trash one player as part of praising another player is beyond me.   They're both good players. 

Edited February 12, 2021 by dave mcbride

[C.Biscuit97]

2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Dude, cool your jets with the hostile snark. Jeez. Allen played in all of two inclement weather games this season - KC and Baltimore. The offense scored 17 and 10 points. As for Watson, he threw 49, not 45 (http://insidethepylon.com/nfl/2019-nfl-draft/2019/03/10/ball-velocity-is-bunk/ and https://nflcombineresults.com/playerpage.php?i=22529), but the real takeaway is that the number was wildly non-predictive of performance -- just like Allen's completion percentage in college was non-predictive. Why people have to trash one player as part of praising another player is beyond me.   They're both good players. 

I remember we used to do it with players on the bills at the same position. Like you couldn’t like Fred Jackson or Marshawn Lynch.  When did our society just become either or? It’s weird. 

[GunnerBill]

6 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

but the real takeaway is that the number was wildly non-predictive of performance -- just like Allen's completion percentage in college was non-predictive. Why people have to trash one player as part of praising another player is beyond me.   They're both good players. 

 

It is one of the most useless numbers going.

[PrimeTime101]

here cause Josh is better.

[Protocal69]

23 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Again this is stupid because they are both top 5 qbs. But let’s not make up things here.

 

2020 - Houston’s defense was 3rd worst in yards (416.8) and gave up 29 points/ game. Watson accounted for 5200 (lost yards on sacks) yards of their 6004 total yards with the second worst running attack in the nfl. 
 

2018 - Buffalo averaged 298.6 yards per game, 16.8 points/ game, had the 9th best running attack, and had the 2nd best defense in terms of yards and gave up 23.4 points/ game.

 

This is crazy but if Watson had the 9th best running attack and the 2nd best defense this year, I think they win more than 4 games. Why people are bashing Watson is really strange. Both him and Allen are awesome and Watson is off to one of the best career starts of any qb in history. 

How many yards that Watson got was in garbage time

[FireChans]

On 2/12/2021 at 1:51 PM, SGA50 said:

 

 

Bingo.

 

Josh Allen would never start a full 16 game season and only win 4 games. Never!

 

Josh Allen would never lose a football game by a score of 10-7. Think about it: 10 to 7. Never!

 

 

All you need is basic level common sense to know that Josh >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Watson. 

How about 22-0?

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201809300gnb.htm

21 hours ago, auburnbillsbacker said:

I didn't bash him.  I said Allen was better.  I stand by my opinion, Allen would never go 4-12 as a starter. 

Josh has never had a below average defense in his career.

 

He has, however, commanded the 30th and 24th best offenses in the NFL.

 

Meanwhile, Deshaun Watson has never commanded a below average offense in his career.

 

I love Josh. Probably wouldn't trade him for Watson at this point. But if you have to tear down Watson because of some weird Josh Allen insecurity, you need to look in a mirror.

 

It's like Pats fans saying Peyton Manning sucks.  It's just embarrassing and weird.

Edited February 13, 2021 by FireChans

[FireChans]

Just now, SGA50 said:

 

 

 

Rookie Year versus Year 4?

 

22-0 is not 10-7

Did you know if the Bills held Green Bay to 10 points, we still would have lost with 0 points scored?

[cle23]

16 minutes ago, SGA50 said:

 

 

 

Rookie Year versus Year 4?

 

22-0 is not 10-7

 

You do realize Allen lost to Watson in the playoffs just last year, right? A game Buffalo lead 16-0 in the 3rd quarter.

 

At this point in time I take Allen over Watson if I had to choose one or the other. But let's stop pretending like Watson isn't a great quarterback.

 

Edited February 13, 2021 by cle23

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, cle23 said:

 

You do realize Allen lost to Watson in the playoffs just last year, right?

 

at this point in time I take Allen over Watson if I had to choose one of the other. But let's stop pretending like Watson isn't a great quarterback.

 

 

This. There are rational people who recognise this. Then there are some other people. 

[Billzgobowlin]

I think Josh will take his team closer to a championship because he makes his teammates better and he wants to win so bad.  Watson is probably the superior athlete but in the end Allen will definitely be the better athlete

[FireChans]

4 minutes ago, SGA50 said:

 

 

Rookie Year vs Year 4 tho

 

Wow u are reaching 

It appears he could lose any game with 0 points scored tho huh.

Just now, Billzgobowlin said:

I think Josh will take his team closer to a championship because he makes his teammates better and he wants to win so bad.  Watson is probably the superior athlete but in the end Allen will definitely be the better athlete

I think Josh is the better athlete personally.

 

Watson is a good runner but I think Josh has the combo of size/speed that make him a better weapon with the ball in his hands.

[Rico]

Josh scored a 37 on the Wonderlic,

Deshaun only a 20.

[Doc]

1 hour ago, cle23 said:

You do realize Allen lost to Watson in the playoffs just last year, right? A game Buffalo lead 16-0 in the 3rd quarter.

 

At this point in time I take Allen over Watson if I had to choose one or the other. But let's stop pretending like Watson isn't a great quarterback.

 

Yeah, thanks to a TD that was negated after men in black shirts came onto the field...

[NewEra]

17 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Yeah, thanks to a TD that was negated after men in black shirts came onto the field...

To be fair, he also made some incredible plays to snag victory from the hands of defeat.  
 

after the refs took our points off the board, Josh had a chance to win the game several times.  He failed.  Deshaun didn’t.  
 

The refs did us wrong that game, but that doesn’t take away from what watson did and what Josh didn’t do 

[Doc]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

To be fair, he also made some incredible plays to snag victory from the hands of defeat.  
 

after the refs took our points off the board, Josh had a chance to win the game several times.  He failed.  Deshaun didn’t.  
 

The refs did us wrong that game, but that doesn’t take away from what watson did and what Josh didn’t do 

 

True, Watson made plays and I can't take that away from him.  But a 20-0 lead would have been it for the game.

[PrimeTime101]

4 hours ago, Rico said:

Josh scored a 37 on the Wonderlic,

Deshaun only a 20.

And?

 

There is a long standing that future HOF/HOF scored high and low on this test.

 

Its a guide for drafting that is it..

[Dr.Sack]

Watson is a great QB but I prefer Allen due to Allen’s arm strength & body type. 

[Albany,n.y.]

On 2/12/2021 at 2:49 PM, C.Biscuit97 said:

Again this is stupid because they are both top 5 qbs. But let’s not make up things here.

 

2020 - Houston’s defense was 3rd worst in yards (416.8) and gave up 29 points/ game. Watson accounted for 5200 (lost yards on sacks) yards of their 6004 total yards with the second worst running attack in the nfl. 
 

2018 - Buffalo averaged 298.6 yards per game, 16.8 points/ game, had the 9th best running attack, and had the 2nd best defense in terms of yards and gave up 23.4 points/ game.

 

This is crazy but if Watson had the 9th best running attack and the 2nd best defense this year, I think they win more than 4 games. Why people are bashing Watson is really strange. Both him and Allen are awesome and Watson is off to one of the best career starts of any qb in history. 

We're not bashing Watson, we're just saying Josh is better and even in his rookie year with no talent around him he still won 5 of his 11 starts, something Watson, when saddled with a bad team couldn't do. 

 

Don't be stupid (to use your word) & use the 9th best rushing #s in 2018 when you know, or should know, that Josh Allen was the leading rusher on that team.  Let's take both Allen out of the 2018 Bills rushing stats where he rushed for 631 yards on 89 attempts for a lofty 7.1 yards per carry in 10 starts and parts of another two games and Watson in 2020 where he rushed 90 times for 444 yards for a 4.93 yards per carry (while NOT being the team's leading rusher).  What you're left with is the Bills 2018 yards per carry was a pedestrian 3.56, while the Texans rushers, who had fewer carries than the 2018 Bills because they had a better receiving corps with a veteran to throw to them , ran for 4.02 yards per carry without Watson's rushing plays.   

 

To show how bad the Bills running game was in 2018 without infusing Josh Allen into the stats, the most telling thing is that none of the 2018 halfbacks were on the 2019 team.  If the Bills running game was as good as you say, why was the only guy back in 2019 FB Pat Demarco who had only 1 carry for 9 yards in 2018 and did not affect the Bills 2018 rushing stats?   

[GunnerBill]

7 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

We're not bashing Watson, we're just saying Josh is better and even in his rookie year with no talent around him he still won 5 of his 11 starts, something Watson, when saddled with a bad team couldn't do. 

 

Don't be stupid (to use your word) & use the 9th best rushing #s in 2018 when you know, or should know, that Josh Allen was the leading rusher on that team.  Let's take both Allen out of the 2018 Bills rushing stats where he rushed for 631 yards on 89 attempts for a lofty 7.1 yards per carry in 10 starts and parts of another two games and Watson in 2020 where he rushed 90 times for 444 yards for a 4.93 yards per carry (while NOT being the team's leading rusher).  What you're left with is the Bills 2018 yards per carry was a pedestrian 3.56, while the Texans rushers, who had fewer carries than the 2018 Bills because they had a better receiving corps with a veteran to throw to them , ran for 4.02 yards per carry without Watson's rushing plays.   

 

To show how bad the Bills running game was in 2018 without infusing Josh Allen into the stats, the most telling thing is that none of the 2018 halfbacks were on the 2019 team.  If the Bills running game was as good as you say, why was the only guy back in 2019 FB Pat Demarco who had only 1 carry for 9 yards in 2018 and did not affect the Bills 2018 rushing stats?   

 

The rushing argument is spurious. The defense argument is not. It's also worth mentioning that Watson had three game winning drives blown by teammates this year with a wide open drop and two fumbles at the one yard line. I think people using "4 wins" to bash Deshaun Watson are making an argument that doesn't really stand up to much scrutiny. It is the same as the Bills 2018 run game argument. It only works if you look purely at the face value numbers. 

[CincyBillsFan]

6 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

We're not bashing Watson, we're just saying Josh is better and even in his rookie year with no talent around him he still won 5 of his 11 starts, something Watson, when saddled with a bad team couldn't do. 

 

Don't be stupid (to use your word) & use the 9th best rushing #s in 2018 when you know, or should know, that Josh Allen was the leading rusher on that team.  Let's take both Allen out of the 2018 Bills rushing stats where he rushed for 631 yards on 89 attempts for a lofty 7.1 yards per carry in 10 starts and parts of another two games and Watson in 2020 where he rushed 90 times for 444 yards for a 4.93 yards per carry (while NOT being the team's leading rusher).  What you're left with is the Bills 2018 yards per carry was a pedestrian 3.56, while the Texans rushers, who had fewer carries than the 2018 Bills because they had a better receiving corps with a veteran to throw to them , ran for 4.02 yards per carry without Watson's rushing plays.   

 

To show how bad the Bills running game was in 2018 without infusing Josh Allen into the stats, the most telling thing is that none of the 2018 halfbacks were on the 2019 team.  If the Bills running game was as good as you say, why was the only guy back in 2019 FB Pat Demarco who had only 1 carry for 9 yards in 2018 and did not affect the Bills 2018 rushing stats?   

 

The other thing Allen's rookie season demonstrated was that he has that special ability to make those around him better.  This is a subtle but critical aspect of a truly elite QB.  When you think about guys like Foster and the numbers they put up that year it's clear that Allen has this unique talent of lifting others up.

 

And since his rookie year is it any surprise that Beasley & Diggs each had career years and Brown went over a thousand yards?  Hell Lee Smith caught a couple of TD passes.

 

Allen is better then Watson today and that's not a knock on Watson.  Allen is a top 3 NFL QB and Watson is a top 10 QB.

 

 

 

 

[CincyBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The rushing argument is spurious. The defense argument is not. It's also worth mentioning that Watson had three game winning drives blown by teammates this year with a wide open drop and two fumbles at the one yard line. I think people using "4 wins" to bash Deshaun Watson are making an argument that doesn't really stand up to much scrutiny. It is the same as the Bills 2018 run game argument. It only works if you look purely at the face value numbers. 

 

Well to be fair how many TD passes did Bills receivers drop in Allen's rookie year including a potential game winner against Miami that would have given Allen a 6 - 5 record?  I think you underestimate just how bad the Bills 2018 offense was and that even as a raw rookie Allen won games.

 

And the four win argument with Watson has merit if I'm a Jets or Jags fan.  The fact is that unless you have talent around Watson he can still only get you so many wins.  The same is true for Allen though I think Allen gets you a couple of more wins.  Either way a bad team is still a bad team with or without Watson.

 

Frankly I hope the Jets trade the farm for Watson.  It makes the Bills life in the AFC much easier.  It will stunt any chance of the Jets getting better within the division and send Houston back to a full blown rebuild.  Now if Miami signs Watson that;s a different story.

 

 

[GunnerBill]

 

1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

Well to be fair how many TD passes did Bills receivers drop in Allen's rookie year including a potential game winner against Miami that would have given Allen a 6 - 5 record?  I think you underestimate just how bad the Bills 2018 offense was and that even as a raw rookie Allen won games.

 

And the four win argument with Watson has merit if I'm a Jets or Jags fan.  The fact is that unless you have talent around Watson he can still only get you so many wins.  The same is true for Allen though I think Allen gets you a couple of more wins.  Either way a bad team is still a bad team with or without Watson.

 

Frankly I hope the Jets trade the farm for Watson.  It makes the Bills life in the AFC much easier.  It will stunt any chance of the Jets getting better within the division and send Houston back to a full blown rebuild.  Now if Miami signs Watson that;s a different story.

 

 

I am not underestimating how bad the Bills weapons were in 2018. They absolutely sucked. I was the guy going into that season saying "these guys suck and it will be hard for whoever starts at QB." I was told, laughably, by some here that summer that Kelvin Benjamin was the best receiver in the AFC East. Because Bills fans enjoy a rose tinted spectacle or two.

 

I don't think Watson needs loads of talent around him to win. He does need not to have the worst Oline and the worst secondary in football. He does probably need to not end up playing almost half a season with Hanson and Coutee as two of his 3 starting receivers. The Texans were not a great team in 2019 either. They had Hopkins, Fuller and Reader but didn't have Watt for half the year and otherwise it was the same awful oline, the same atrocious defensive backfield and Watson won 11 games. Trying to make an argument that proves Watson needs a perfect situation to win based on 2020 stands up to no scrutiny.

 

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think Watson needs loads of talent around him to win.

Are you saying Allen does?

[GunnerBill]

12 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

Are you saying Allen does?

 

No, not at all, where would anyone get that from?

[C.Biscuit97]

1 hour ago, Albany,n.y. said:

We're not bashing Watson, we're just saying Josh is better and even in his rookie year with no talent around him he still won 5 of his 11 starts, something Watson, when saddled with a bad team couldn't do. 

 

Don't be stupid (to use your word) & use the 9th best rushing #s in 2018 when you know, or should know, that Josh Allen was the leading rusher on that team.  Let's take both Allen out of the 2018 Bills rushing stats where he rushed for 631 yards on 89 attempts for a lofty 7.1 yards per carry in 10 starts and parts of another two games and Watson in 2020 where he rushed 90 times for 444 yards for a 4.93 yards per carry (while NOT being the team's leading rusher).  What you're left with is the Bills 2018 yards per carry was a pedestrian 3.56, while the Texans rushers, who had fewer carries than the 2018 Bills because they had a better receiving corps with a veteran to throw to them , ran for 4.02 yards per carry without Watson's rushing plays.   

 

To show how bad the Bills running game was in 2018 without infusing Josh Allen into the stats, the most telling thing is that none of the 2018 halfbacks were on the 2019 team.  If the Bills running game was as good as you say, why was the only guy back in 2019 FB Pat Demarco who had only 1 carry for 9 yards in 2018 and did not affect the Bills 2018 rushing stats?   

So I ask the question again, would Watson have 4 wins if he had the number 2 defense like Allen did in 2018? Because if you say yes, you’re dumb. 
 

this whole thread is stupid. Allen just had a great year. Watson is off to one of the best qbs starts to a career in nfl history. They are both really good. So it is stupid that some are trying to put down Watson to prop up Allen. 
 

here’s an example that most here won’t be relate to. When I have dated a very attractive girl that I liked, I didn’t go around putting down other attractive girls to make me feel better about my relationship. It’s weird. 

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

23 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

So I ask the question again, would Watson have 4 wins if he had the number 2 defense like Allen did in 2018? Because if you say yes, you’re dumb. 
 

this whole thread is stupid. Allen just had a great year. Watson is off to one of the best qbs starts to a career in nfl history. They are both really good. So it is stupid that some are trying to put down Watson to prop up Allen. 
 

here’s an example that most here won’t be relate to. When I have dated a very attractive girl that I liked, I didn’t go around putting down other attractive girls to make me feel better about my relationship. It’s weird. 

Oh you’re so vain!!!

[snamsnoops]

On 2/13/2021 at 2:51 PM, Billzgobowlin said:

I think Josh will take his team closer to a championship because he makes his teammates better and he wants to win so bad.  Watson is probably the superior athlete but in the end Allen will definitely be the better athlete

I'm pretty sue Josh Allen is the superior athlete. It's just he is coming around to being the better QB. Coming out of college D Watson was better but J Allen is getting better and better and is surpassing Watson do to his ceiling being much higher. Watson is a great QB, but his ceiling is lower than Josh just like his floor was higher than Allen to begin their careers!

[colin]

watson is the more skilled qb, but we all knew that.

 

i was a big watson booster coming out of clemson, he's a bit limited w arm strength and size, but is a very skilled qb, and is a dog.  allen is one of few qbs who are as much or more of a dog as watson is.

 

allen has shown that as he gains more skill and polish, i don't think there has been a more physically capable guy at the position.  he's got a shot to go down as the best to ever do it imo

[Back2Buff]

Watson is the better QB, but those 40 million dollar cap hits coming are tough.

 

I really hope Bills hold off on Allen's extension and don't have to pay 40 million a year.  Too many games this year where Allen wasn't premier.  

[BarleyNY]

36 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:

Watson is the better QB, but those 40 million dollar cap hits coming are tough.

 

I really hope Bills hold off on Allen's extension and don't have to pay 40 million a year.  Too many games this year where Allen wasn't premier.  

Allen has just this upcoming season left on his rookie deal.  After that we are looking at those kinds of numbers.  Even his 5th year option price tag will be up there. 

Edited February 16, 2021 by BarleyNY

[BarleyNY]

53 minutes ago, colin said:

watson is the more skilled qb, but we all knew that.

 

i was a big watson booster coming out of clemson, he's a bit limited w arm strength and size, but is a very skilled qb, and is a dog.  allen is one of few qbs who are as much or more of a dog as watson is.

 

allen has shown that as he gains more skill and polish, i don't think there has been a more physically capable guy at the position.  he's got a shot to go down as the best to ever do it imo

Yeah.  Watson is the better QB today.  Taking him over Allen is the safe bet.  Taking Allen is looking at upside and banking on his continued development.  The one factor that would make me take Watson over Allen is how they’ve fared in crunch time in their biggest games.  I have no question that Watson will rise to the occasion in those situations.  Allen hasn’t fully taken that step yet. 

[GunnerBill]

7 minutes ago, SGA50 said:

 

 

Completely wrong. 

 

Everything you said is wrong.

 

Watson is absolutely NOT the better QB today. That's ludicrous, absurd, preposterous, asinine, there are a hundred words for it.

 

Imagine being this wrong.

 

 

Arm Velocity is a skill.

 

Josh 62mph

Watson <50mph

 

Josh is the more skilled QB, the better QB...and any intelligent person knows that.

 

While the arm strength thing continues to be pretty meaningless to me - that combine number has a really bad correlation with success - I generally agree with this post though not your hyperbolic tone. 

 

In 2020, the most recent evidence we have in front of us, Josh Allen was better than Deshaun Watson. 

 

Allen was a top 3 Quarterback. Watson in my view was #4 but certainly no worse than #6, but there was a little gap between that top 3 Mahomes, Allen, Rodgers and the next 3 Watson, Wilson, Brady. There was then an even bigger gap between #6 and #7 IMO.

Edited February 16, 2021 by GunnerBill

[FireChans]

9 minutes ago, SGA50 said:

 

 

Watson - 0 MVP votes in 4 seasons

 

Allen - 4 MVP votes in 3 seasons

 

 

Let me know when Watson receives 1, *ONE*, MVP vote

Posts like this make me think Allen is not good. 
 

Fans do weird stat things like this when they are self-conscious of their QB.