Punching Bag Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, Jerome007 said: Hey, I was actually rooting for him to make some NFL money a bit to be able to digest that INT filled debut. But $2.75M? My soft heart is more than sated. That's too much ha ha. Dude must be really awesome in practice and in the film room for coaches to love him so much I think it cheaper to just buy a spare jugs machine for DBs to practice with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 It is STAGGERING that a guy like Nate Peterman can survive in this league this long, and become a multi-millionaire in the process! My God, there is a giant dearth of Quarterback Talent out there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 8 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: It is STAGGERING that a guy like Nate Peterman can survive in this league this long, and become a multi-millionaire in the process! My God, there is a giant dearth of Quarterback Talent out there! I do think that he would not get signed anywhere else. Gruden seems to love him. I doubt any other team would have interest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloMatt Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 EJ just shi$ himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloButt Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 (edited) Two words: How & Wow????!!!! Edited February 5, 2021 by BuffaloButt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 14 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: You are a hard marker Weo.. They signed McCarron as an insurance policy after getting rid of Tyrods cap hit which I cant be bothered looking up but was excessive, and before the draft and picking JA ( which was obviously not a given)... It was a certainty they were drafting a QB as soon as they unloaded TT. They already had NP under a rookie contract. Trading Taylor saved 10.44 million in cap hit. Signing Josh and AJM cost a total of 9 million for the 2018 season. It's also worth noting that AJM's contact was for 10 million with incentives (as a backup) up to 16 million for 2 years. He was gone before week 1. So, sure, we can laugh at NP getting 2.7 to be #3, but it kind of pales in comparison. Plus throw in the fact that the Texans gave him another 7 million for nothing the last 2 years. 3 hours ago, MJS said: They were expecting him to start... who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: It was a certainty they were drafting a QB as soon as they unloaded TT. They already had NP under a rookie contract. Trading Taylor saved 10.44 million in cap hit. Signing Josh and AJM cost a total of 9 million for the 2018 season. It's also worth noting that AJM's contact was for 10 million with incentives (as a backup) up to 16 million for 2 years. He was gone before week 1. The cap hit that the Browns acquired from the Bills for Taylor was $16M including a Roster bonus of $6m that was due a week or so after they traded him.. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/cap/2018/ How Beane moved him for that price and pick 65 I'll never know That left Peterman as their only QB on the roster.. They bought in AJM to compete before the draft with Peterman and the as yet undrafted Rookie ... they were still sitting at 12 at that stage and didnt know who they were going to get.. in hindsight we can say they got their man but Horsehead Elway should have taken Allen at 5 so who knows who the Bills may have ended up with if he goes down that road.. hopefully not trading up for Rosen to beat the Cards or reaching for Mason Rudolph... Not sure Lamar was truly ever on their radar So AJM comes into camp and doesnt live up to expectations so they cut bait and trade him for a 5th to Gruden .. His cap hit to the Bills was $2m in 2018 and $2m in 2019.. I can live with that... Edited February 5, 2021 by Aussie Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: who? Our very own Buffalo Bills, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 8 minutes ago, MJS said: Our very own Buffalo Bills, of course. Expected McCarron to start?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 27 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: The cap hit that the Browns acquired from the Bills for Taylor was $16M including a Roster bonus of $6m that was due a week or so after they traded him.. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/cap/2018/ How Beane moved him for that price and pick 65 I'll never know That left Peterman as their only QB on the roster.. They bought in AJM to compete before the draft with Peterman and the as yet undrafted Rookie ... they were still sitting at 12 at that stage and didnt know who they were going to get.. in hindsight we can say they got their man but Horsehead Elway should have taken Allen at 5 so who knows who the Bills may have ended up with if he goes down that road.. hopefully not trading up for Rosen to beat the Cards or reaching for Mason Rudolph... Not sure Lamar was truly ever on their radar So AJM comes into camp and doesnt live up to expectations so they cut bait and trade him for a 5th to Gruden .. His cap hit to the Bills was $2m in 2018 and $2m in 2019.. I can live with that... "According to the sports contract website spotrac.com, the Bills clear $10.44 million off their salary cap with this move, but they do incur a $7.6 million dead cap hit." a good chunk of the savings were erased by giving ALM 4.1 and Josh's guarantee---both to replace TT. Bills got their man in Josh, but they were going to take QB. They had to. NP had started the year before (infamously) so at best, AJM would have been a #2, but as the offseason worked out, it became clear that the Bills were getting set on not starting Josh. AJM is a bum who stole more money than NP ever will. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 5 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: Not exactly. First he’ll pay a boatload in taxes before it ever gets to his bank account and then he’ll pay his agent from what’s left, and then he’ll pray that his monthly budget doesn’t exceed his take home, while all the while praying he saves enough to last him for the next FIFTY years following football. COOL! I feel better about myself now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 (edited) Signing bo 4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: "According to the sports contract website spotrac.com, the Bills clear $10.44 million off their salary cap with this move, but they do incur a $7.6 million dead cap hit." a good chunk of the savings were erased by giving ALM 4.1 and Josh's guarantee---both to replace TT. Bills got their man in Josh, but they were going to take QB. They had to. NP had started the year before (infamously) so at best, AJM would have been a #2, but as the offseason worked out, it became clear that the Bills were getting set on not starting Josh Signing bonus from the previous year. They saved $16m in 2018 as you can see the Browns paid him in the link I provided which was guaranteed... Yeah they offered him a contract of $5n a year plus incentives... back up money Edited February 5, 2021 by Aussie Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 2 hours ago, Nextmanup said: It is STAGGERING that a guy like Nate Peterman can survive in this league this long, and become a multi-millionaire in the process! My God, there is a giant dearth of Quarterback Talent out there! Joe Webb and Josh Johnson are still around so....why not? 5 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Signing bo Signing bonus from the previous year. They saved $16m in 2018 as you can see the Browns paid him in the link I provided which was guaranteed... Yeah they offered him a contract of $5n a year plus incentives... back up money not #3 money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: not #3 money. lucky they were able to get from out of it on the cheap then and get at 5th round back in return Edited February 5, 2021 by Aussie Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 Guy will have 10+ million in careers earnings before he is done. How many of us will earn that in a lifetime... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: Expected McCarron to start?? Are you trying to revise history? Absolutely they expected him to start. They expected him to play and for Allen to sit for a year. When Peterman outplayed him in camp and preseason, they traded him away. This is widely known and accepted. Are you trying to say that is not what happened? Nobody expected McCarron to play that season? Because that's false. People did expect him to play and start prior to the preseason. 59 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: "According to the sports contract website spotrac.com, the Bills clear $10.44 million off their salary cap with this move, but they do incur a $7.6 million dead cap hit." a good chunk of the savings were erased by giving ALM 4.1 and Josh's guarantee---both to replace TT. Bills got their man in Josh, but they were going to take QB. They had to. NP had started the year before (infamously) so at best, AJM would have been a #2, but as the offseason worked out, it became clear that the Bills were getting set on not starting Josh. AJM is a bum who stole more money than NP ever will. That's not even remotely true. AJ was seen by everyone as being superior to Peterman and expects him to start... until the preseason games happened and he clearly did not outperform anyone. Why would they even bring in AJ and have him take so many snaps in preseason and training camp if he was not a legitimate starting candidate? Edited February 5, 2021 by MJS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fergie's ire Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 I miss Kirby Jackson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 21 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: You guys all made fun of him....he’s richer than all of you. Bob “Handyman” Kraft is quite a bit richer that Late Nate, and I make fun of him too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 4 hours ago, Nextmanup said: It is STAGGERING that a guy like Nate Peterman can survive in this league this long, and become a multi-millionaire in the process! My God, there is a giant dearth of Quarterback Talent out there! Or you could just be a dumbass like Gruden and overpay him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 57 minutes ago, MJS said: Are you trying to revise history? Absolutely they expected him to start. They expected him to play and for Allen to sit for a year. When Peterman outplayed him in camp and preseason, they traded him away. This is widely known and accepted. Are you trying to say that is not what happened? Nobody expected McCarron to play that season? Because that's false. People did expect him to play and start prior to the preseason. That's not even remotely true. AJ was seen by everyone as being superior to Peterman and expects him to start... until the preseason games happened and he clearly did not outperform anyone. Why would they even bring in AJ and have him take so many snaps in preseason and training camp if he was not a legitimate starting candidate? lol "so many" huh? Preseason Game 1 (Panthers): NP is the starter in 1st Q for 2 series. McCarron in for 2 series. After the half, Allen plays every snap. Preseason game 2 (Browns): After 3 punts in the 1st Q, AJM gets the hook. Allen and then Peterman finish. Preseason Game 3 (Bengals): AJM gets zero snaps Preseason Game 4 (scrubs only): it's the AJM farewell show. "Everyone" thought he was superior to NP? Not the Bills staff, it seems. He had 1 more career win than NP when they signed him. They brought in this bum to see if he was any better than NP. Turns out he was worse. It shouldn't have cost them 4.1 million to figure that out (or to realize that you start your top 10 QB pick when you have no solid vet to sit him behind.....). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: lol "so many" huh? Preseason Game 1 (Panthers): NP is the starter in 1st Q for 2 series. McCarron in for 2 series. After the half, Allen plays every snap. Preseason game 2 (Browns): After 3 punts in the 1st Q, AJM gets the hook. Allen and then Peterman finish. Preseason Game 3 (Bengals): AJM gets zero snaps Preseason Game 4 (scrubs only): it's the AJM farewell show. "Everyone" thought he was superior to NP? Not the Bills staff, it seems. He had 1 more career win than NP when they signed him. They brought in this bum to see if he was any better than NP. Turns out he was worse. It shouldn't have cost them 4.1 million to figure that out (or to realize that you start your top 10 QB pick when you have no solid vet to sit him behind.....). McCarron got injured. That's why he didn't play game 3, which he would have started and gotten significant snaps in. It was a competition and it was widely speculated that he would win that competition. He was the highest paid QB on the team. The team expected him to start. But he didn't win the job so they shipped him off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 Good for anyone making money but he is the worst qb I have ever seen in the nfl. I actually think Jeff Tuel was better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 1 hour ago, MJS said: McCarron got injured. That's why he didn't play game 3, which he would have started and gotten significant snaps in. It was a competition and it was widely speculated that he would win that competition. He was the highest paid QB on the team. The team expected him to start. But he didn't win the job so they shipped him off. He was a mess before he was injured. After his 3 punt drives in Game 2 1st Q, the "competition" was over. "He was the highest paid QB on the team." Yeah, see? That's the funny part I was posting about.......4.1 million to confirm he's worse than Nate Peterman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 7 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: He was a mess before he was injured. After his 3 punt drives in Game 2 1st Q, the "competition" was over. "He was the highest paid QB on the team." Yeah, see? That's the funny part I was posting about.......4.1 million to confirm he's worse than Nate Peterman. This is a strange thing to cry about. But go ahead. Keep crying about a few million dollars spent trying to find a bridge QB 3 years ago. You usually complain about everything, so this is normal behavior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 6 minutes ago, MJS said: This is a strange thing to cry about. But go ahead. Keep crying about a few million dollars spent trying to find a bridge QB 3 years ago. You usually complain about everything, so this is normal behavior. If you had read through my posts, you would see that I was not crying, but laughing. You come in with easily disproven nonsense, so you have to change the narrative. More laughter ensues.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: If you had read through my posts, you would see that I was not crying, but laughing. You come in with easily disproven nonsense, so you have to change the narrative. More laughter ensues.... Nope. Everything I said was accurate. You are the one trying to change history with your alternate reality. But keep laughing. I'm happy for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 Just now, MJS said: Nope. Everything I said was accurate. You are the one trying to change history with your alternate reality. But keep laughing. I'm happy for you. Yeah, AJM comes into camp with that career 2-1 record and looked so sweet before the injury that he really had McD's head spinning. An embarrassment of riches at QB----competition got HEATED. What to do??! Awesome stuff. You define "alternate" reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Yeah, AJM comes into camp with that career 2-1 record and looked so sweet before the injury that he really had McD's head spinning. An embarrassment of riches at QB----competition got HEATED. What to do??! Awesome stuff. You define "alternate" reality. Your complaint is giving him a contract thinking that he was a 3rd string QB. But he wasn't signed to be a 3rd string QB. That is alternate reality conceived in your mind with no basis in fact. He was signed to compete to start. That's a fact. Regardless of how he performed after signing the contract, he was initially signed to compete for a starting job. And Allen was supposed to sit and learn, which is a very common approach when drafting a QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 25 minutes ago, MJS said: Your complaint is giving him a contract thinking that he was a 3rd string QB. But he wasn't signed to be a 3rd string QB. That is alternate reality conceived in your mind with no basis in fact. He was signed to compete to start. That's a fact. Regardless of how he performed after signing the contract, he was initially signed to compete for a starting job. And Allen was supposed to sit and learn, which is a very common approach when drafting a QB. Nope. Not when you draft a kid top 7 and you have no other real QB on the roster. AJM was competing for the backup job (just like NP is in LV). He's a backup QB. McD inexplicably chose NP to start week 1---a decision he quickly corrected at halftime when he came to his senses and made the logical move....and the rest is history. keep it coming though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 (edited) Any QB that thinks they have any ability (Kap) must be losing their minds. I would rather put a punter in at QB than let Natan see the failed. This makes zero sense to me Edited February 6, 2021 by Virgil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: Nope. Not when you draft a kid top 7 and you have no other real QB on the roster. AJM was competing for the backup job (just like NP is in LV). He's a backup QB. McD inexplicably chose NP to start week 1---a decision he quickly corrected at halftime when he came to his senses and made the logical move....and the rest is history. keep it coming though... Regardless of how YOU feel about it, it is, in fact, a very common tactic to attempt to have rookies QB's sit their first year or at least multiple games of their first year. Maybe you don't like that. But that's not relevant. Lots of coaches do that. Mahomes sat his entire first year. Coaches often try to bring along rookie QB's slowly, even those drafted in the top 10. The plan was for Allen to sit as long as possible. And it soon became apparent that such a tactic would not be viable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 Peterman must have an investment in Manscaped😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 9 hours ago, MJS said: Regardless of how YOU feel about it, it is, in fact, a very common tactic to attempt to have rookies QB's sit their first year or at least multiple games of their first year. Maybe you don't like that. But that's not relevant. Lots of coaches do that. Mahomes sat his entire first year. Coaches often try to bring along rookie QB's slowly, even those drafted in the top 10. The plan was for Allen to sit as long as possible. And it soon became apparent that such a tactic would not be viable. 11 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Nope. Not when you draft a kid top 7 and you have no other real QB on the roster. You're joking now, right? We've covered this already (see above). Mahomes sat for a year....behind Alex Smith , who had gone to a SB with SF and won 50 games and was a 3 time Pro Bowler for the Chiefs! AJM was an inexperienced backup who had 3 starts where he completed only 79 passes in Cincy. Allen in his rookie season, sat for a total of 30 minutes until, for McD, it "became apparent that such a tactic would not be viable." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 12 hours ago, MJS said: Your complaint is giving him a contract thinking that he was a 3rd string QB. But he wasn't signed to be a 3rd string QB. That is alternate reality conceived in your mind with no basis in fact. He was signed to compete to start. That's a fact. Regardless of how he performed after signing the contract, he was initially signed to compete for a starting job. And Allen was supposed to sit and learn, which is a very common approach when drafting a QB. No question—NP legit earned his Baltimore starting spot because he was better, plain and simple, during camp and preseason. The implosion came in the reg season, not a minute earlier. https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/sports/football/nfl/bills/2018/09/03/nathan-peterman-buffalo-bills-starting-quarterback-josh-allen-baltimore-ravens/1185281002/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 Look at his stats. He may be the worst qb in the league and you extend him. Meanwhile still no Kap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 14 hours ago, Virgil said: Any QB that things they have any ability (Kap) must be losing their minds. I would rather put a punter in at QB than let Natan see the failed. This makes zero sense to me "Catnip for Coaches on the Whiteboard" is all I can figure Either that, or naughty pictures of the offensive staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalftimeAdjustment Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 On 2/4/2021 at 7:58 PM, TN Bills Fan said: But Kapernick can't get a job? Didn't he want $20M+? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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