Deshaun Watson prefers the Jets

[BBills88]

The Jets will do it, and its going to cost them Darnold & a king's ransom.

[HOUSE]

Maybe tomorrow it will be the Patriots

[BITE ME]

2 minutes ago, BBills88 said:

The Jets will do it, and its going to cost them Darnold & a king's ransom.

 

Even the Jets are not dumb enough to trade 3 1st rounders for a quarterback that has 1-2 playoff record for a team only averaging 20 points per game in the three starts.  Throw in the fact he was completely outplayed by Mahomes, and there is no chance anyone is giving up 3 first rounders.  He is worth their #2 pick. That is it.

[Rocky Landing]

Watson to Miami

Fields to jersey

Fitzpatrick to NE*

Bills with Allen

 

This would be one helluva competitive division.

 

[DCofNC]

The honest truth is Miami is the only team that could put him in a situation to win, that could offer reasonable compensation.  They were competitive already, they could ship back 2 first round picks, Tua and some future compensation and still have enough ammo to surround him with some talent.  The Jets are a virtually barren team and once they get him will have no picks to fill in ALL those holes, plus a limited cap situation due to his contract, he’s walking into a worse situation from a talent perspective, than he’s in. 

The only other options would be for him to go to a ready made contender like the 49ers who would have to send back top tier players (D line), Jimmy G and give up a lot of draft capital in the future to get him, but at least he would have a shot to win.  Texans at least have a good option to turn to in this scenario. 
 

Maybe if Brady retires (fat chance), he could go to the Bucs for players and picks, but their picks aren’t high enough to work with for Houston IMO. 
 

Wild card, option(s), the Cowboys.  Get a deal for Dak (tag and trade) and Cooper plus this year’s first and second and next year’s first.  Trouble would be getting Dak to sign the tag, but maybe, just maybe, he feels “disrespected” enough to go play across the state and try to prove something.   I guess you could look at the same idea with Cleveland for Baker and OBJ, plus picks.    These scenarios seem unlikely, but might actually be best options for the Texans and Watson.  Very few teams have the fire power to make it worth it.  If I were the Rams to try to make a package with Goff, Arizona with Murray, Etc, where you could offer a reasonable, proven, alternative at QB for the Texans and more, vs nothing but draft picks. 
 

Virtually every team in the league minus the ones left playing right now should have serious considerations to try to make the deal to land Watson.  Of course, the smart thing for Houston to hold on for dear life.

[blacklabel]

So he wants to go from one completely inept organization to another? Cripes. I'm not sure I can sympathize with the guy anymore. 

[mannc]

2 minutes ago, blacklabel said:

So he wants to go from one completely inept organization to another? Cripes. I'm not sure I can sympathize with the guy anymore. 

I don't think the Jets are so inept anymore.  They have a good GM finally, and may have gotten themselves a competent coach.  Watson immediately makes them a wildcard contender, at least.  

[Punching Bag]

Maybe he thinks in NYC Area he will get more work in commercials.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, mannc said:

I don't think the Jets are so inept anymore.  They have a good GM finally, and may have gotten themselves a competent coach.  Watson immediately makes them a wildcard contender, at least.  

 

They have a good GM and HC now, but they're not in a position to ship a bunch of draft pick compensation to Houston, pay Watson, and still field a team.

[SCBills]

1 hour ago, mannc said:

I don't think the Jets are so inept anymore.  They have a good GM finally, and may have gotten themselves a competent coach.  Watson immediately makes them a wildcard contender, at least.  

Im sure Joe Douglas can be a good GM, but I’m not sure why people say he’s good already.  
 

He’s had one FA period and Draft.  Made the team way worse, let Robbie Anderson walk, acquired great draft capital for Jamal Adams, passed on a second WR in a loaded draft and most of his draft class has barely seen the field.  

[batmanfreek]

Flip him with Stafford in Detroit.

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, Rc2catch said:

Gotta stop stressing this guy. 
Until he comes out and says this stuff publicly take it for what it’s worth. Hearsay. 
Carolina, Pittsburgh, Indy, and tons of other fan bases all have similar “reports” popping up about how they have a shot at trading for him. Watson has not confirmed any of this. It’s all based on reporters hunches and inside “sources” 
Houston holds the cards here don’t forget despite reports, Watson has his no trade clause but is he actually willing to miss game checks? Houston does not have to trade him if they don’t feel they’re getting enough value. He might get moved but I don’t believe all these bs reports. He told people, ok what people? 

 

 

You don't think he or his people are putting this kind of stuff out there?

 

Any normal person who was publicly described as preferring the Jets would waste no time denying it if it was not true.

[mannc]

9 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Im sure Joe Douglas can be a good GM, but I’m not sure why people say he’s good already.  
 

He’s had one FA period and Draft.  Made the team way worse, let Robbie Anderson walk, acquired great draft capital for Jamal Adams, passed on a second WR in a loaded draft and most of his draft class has barely seen the field.  

Becton was an absolute home run, Mims looks like a good pick and I think the safety from Cal that they took in round three is going to be good.  And the Adams trade was a steal.  Not sure who the second receiver was that they passed on...So far, so good.    

[CSBill]

He should be careful what he wishes for. The Jets are where careers go to be irrelevant.

[mannc]

18 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

They have a good GM and HC now, but they're not in a position to ship a bunch of draft pick compensation to Houston, pay Watson, and still field a team.

I don't think that's true.  Let's say the Jets have to give up both ones this year, a first next year, and Darnold.  That would leave them with a second and two third-round picks this year, and picks in each of the first three rounds next year.  That's hardly a bare cupboard, especially when you've added a franchise QB to the mix.  I don't know what their cap situation is.   

[Rc2catch]

6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

You don't think he or his people are putting this kind of stuff out there?

 

Any normal person who was publicly described as preferring the Jets would waste no time denying it if it was not true.

I think he asked Houston to trade him and reporters are running wild with stories. It’s basically just the hype machine. But of course that’s just my opinion. 

[SCBills]

9 minutes ago, mannc said:

Becton was an absolute home run, Mims looks like a good pick and I think the safety from Cal that they took in round three is going to be good.  And the Adams trade was a steal.  Not sure who the second receiver was that they passed on...So far, so good.    

Becton, yes.   Mims has potential.  
 

Ashtyn Davis... ehhh.  
 

The failure to draft two WR’s in the first 4 rounds was a huge miss after letting Robbie walk.   They took a random QB over a guy like Gabriel Davis. 
 

Edited January 23, 2021 by SCBills

[Beast]

If the Jets want to give up two 1st rounders for Watson.....c ya.

 

With saying that, Watson isn't the type of QB that scares me.

Edited January 23, 2021 by Beast

[Hebert19]

Stafford and a pick makes too much sense. 

[mannc]

Just now, Hebert19 said:

Stafford and a pick makes too much sense. 

More than one pick

[Hebert19]

Just now, mannc said:

More than one pick

Ya.  Agree. 

[dollars 2 donuts]

The Jets have nothing in their quiver and nothing on their shelf.  There is a better chance of me being carried away by army ants than gang green assembling a package worth the Texans parting with Watson.

[mannc]

1 minute ago, Hebert19 said:

Ya.  Agree. 

But if you're Houston, wouldn't you prefer getting a bunch of high picks (plus Darnold) from someone like the Jets?  I mean, Stafford's already 33 and he's really nothing more than a good bridge QB at this point...

Just now, dollars 2 donuts said:

The Jets have nothing in their quiver and nothing on their shelf.  

Hardly...

[dollars 2 donuts]

6 minutes ago, mannc said:

But if you're Houston, wouldn't you prefer getting a bunch of high picks (plus Darnold) from someone like the Jets?  I mean, Stafford's already 33 and he's really nothing more than a good bridge QB at this point...

Hardly...

Muchly.

 

 

It is either going to be an unheard of three number ones that they are asking or two number ones, multiple other GOOD picks and a little bit of current living beef in the league.  Not a turnover machine with potential, the number 2 and some stuff.

 

 

Edited January 24, 2021 by dollars 2 donuts

[mannc]

Just now, dollars 2 donuts said:

Muchly.

 

 

It is either going to be an unheard of three number ones that they are asking or two number ones, multiple other picks and a little bit of current living beef in the league.  Not a turnover machine with potential, the number 2 and some stuff.

 

 

The Jets have four first-round picks in the next two drafts.  They can certainly afford to send three of them to Houston for Watson.  If they trade both this year's ones and one next year, they still have three picks in the first three rounds this year and a full draft next year.  And yes, the price for Watson is likely to be three first round picks.  Jamal Adams commanded two first, as did Kalil Mack.  

[Dr.Sack]

Either Watson is pulling a LeBron Wade Bosh with other non-Jets to come to NYJ and create a super team or this is all smoke. I believe it’s smoke. 

[dollars 2 donuts]

2 minutes ago, mannc said:

The Jets have four first-round picks in the next two drafts.  They can certainly afford to send three of them to Houston for Watson.  If they trade both this year's ones and one next year, they still have three picks in the first three rounds this year and a full draft next year.  And yes, the price for Watson is likely to be three first round picks.  Jamal Adams commanded two first, as did Kalil Mack.  

 

Dude...they should pull the trigger then.  Did not know that and thank you.

 

I would do it, wouldn’t you?

 

I’m thinking yes.

 

edit: other than cap space not fun times for the Pats, huh.

Edited January 24, 2021 by dollars 2 donuts

[Patrick Duffy]

1 minute ago, mannc said:

But if you're Houston, wouldn't you prefer getting a bunch of high picks (plus Darnold) from someone like the Jets?  I mean, Stafford's already 33 and he's really nothing more than a good bridge QB at this point...

Hardly...

Thing is , unless I'm mistaken, Jets don't have a bunch of high picks. Unless they offered future 1st round pick(s). They don't have nothing to offer as far as this draft though, far as I'm aware.

 

I said earlier that if this did happen and Texans are still stupid, even with new HC and GM, if they did try(unlikely IMO) I would think Miami would have the pics to do it more than any team I would think. With 2 firsts rd picks, or do they have 3? Either way, Texans would get their 1st rounder back with Fins 1st and possible 2022 1st. Hell maybe would also include Tua, depending on what the Texans think of him.

 

I feel like it will take that much, 3 1st round picks to get a franchise QB in Watson. That's if Texans are still dumb enough to move him. IMO if you're lucky enough to get a franchise QB, especially like Watson, you keep him at all cost. If he's unhappy, the new coach/GM needs to do whatever it takes to make him happy.

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Patrick_Duffy said:

Thing is , unless I'm mistaken, Jets don't have a bunch of high picks. Unless they offered future 1st round pick(s). They don't have nothing to offer as far as this draft though, far as I'm aware.

 

 

They have two 1s this year and two 1s next year. You can thank the Seahawks for that.

[mannc]

2 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

Thing is , unless I'm mistaken, Jets don't have a bunch of high picks. Unless they offered future 1st round pick(s). They don't have nothing to offer as far as this draft though, far as I'm aware.

 

I said earlier that if this did happen and Texans are still stupid, even with new HC and GM, if they did try(unlikely IMO) I would think Miami would have the pics to do it more than any team I would think. With 2 firsts rd picks, or do they have 3? Either way, Texans would get their 1st rounder back with Fins 1st and possible 2022 1st. Hell maybe would also include Tua, depending on what the Texans think of him.

 

I feel like it will take that much, 3 1st round picks to get a franchise QB in Watson. That's if Texans are still dumb enough to move him. IMO if you're lucky enough to get a franchise QB, especially like Watson, you keep him at all cost. If he's unhappy, the new coach/GM needs to do whatever it takes to make him happy.

See my post above.  The Jets have four first-round picks in the next two drafts; Two this year, two next year.  They could trade three of them for Watson and still have three day-2 picks this year and a full complement of picks next year.   

[Patrick Duffy]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They have two 1s this year and two 1s next year. You can thank the Seahawks for that.

ah ok. I didn't know that. Well I guess they maybe do have the ammo. However I still don't think Texans do it though.

Just now, mannc said:

See my post above.  The Jets have four first-round picks in the next two drafts; Two this year, two next year.  They could trade three of them for Watson and still have three day-2 picks this year and a full complement of picks next year.   

Yes, I was just notified. I didn't know. I stand corrected.

[GunnerBill]

Just now, mannc said:

See my post above.  The Jets have four first-round picks in the next two drafts; Two this year, two next year.  They could trade three of them for Watson and still have three day-2 picks this year and a full complement of picks next year.   

 

I suppose in defense of John Schneider he only ever wastes his first round picks anyway so at least in Jamal Adams he knew he was getting a player who doesn't suck.

 

Honestly I have never known another GM like Schneider who is so awful in round 1 and then such a good drafter after that. It is bizarre.

[mannc]

2 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

ah ok. I didn't know that. Well I guess they maybe do have the ammo. However I still don't think Texans do it though.

 

I don't know, I think it would be a really good trade for both teams.  It's risky for Houston, yes, but the status quo is unacceptable.

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I suppose in defense of John Schneider he only ever wastes his first round picks anyway so at least in Jamal Adams he knew he was getting a player who doesn't suck.

 

Honestly I have never known another GM like Schneider who is so awful in round 1 and then such a good drafter after that. It is bizarre.

Did you know the Jets also got the Seahawks' third round pick this year in that trade?

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, mannc said:

 

Did you know the Jets also got the Seahawks' third round pick this year in that trade?

 

I think I did recall that. Was an absolutely crazy price for a safety, even one as good as Adams.

[mannc]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think I did recall that. Was an absolutely crazy price for a safety, even one as good as Adams.

They still had a crappy defense, especially against the pass, even with Adams.  

[Patrick Duffy]

5 minutes ago, mannc said:

I don't know, I think it would be a really good trade for both teams.  It's risky for Houston, yes, but the status quo is unacceptable.

Did you know the Jets also got the Seahawks' third round pick this year in that trade?

I guess. There have been many surprises before. If the same knuckle heads were running the show I could definitely see it. One would hope that the new HC and GM would be a litter smarter.

[Patrick Duffy]

5 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

I guess. There have been many surprises before. If the same knuckle heads were running the show I could definitely see it. One would hope that the new HC and GM would be a litter smarter.

No telling how long it could take to come across another QB like Watson. Darnold would not be the answer. Unless he surprisingly improves dramatically with a new scenery. I doubt that. He may improve, but I don't see him improving to the point where they would feel comfortable enough to trade their top 3-5 some would say QB. He's definitely in the discussion though.

 

Most would likely put Watson at a top 3 QB I believe. Definitely top 5 I would think.

21 minutes ago, mannc said:

See my post above.  The Jets have four first-round picks in the next two drafts; Two this year, two next year.  They could trade three of them for Watson and still have three day-2 picks this year and a full complement of picks next year.   

In your opinion, where would you rank Watson as far as one of the top QBs in the league? I would probably put him top 5, think he would definitely be no lower than 6th.

 

Where do you rank him? Just curious....

Edited January 24, 2021 by Patrick_Duffy

[mannc]

2 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

No telling how long it could take to come across another QB like Watson. Darnold would not be the answer. Unless he surprisingly improves dramatically with a new scenery. I doubt that. He may improve, but I don't see him improving to the point where they would feel comfortable enough to trade their top 3-5 some would say QB. He's definitely in the discussion though.

I agree.  It's a risk.  I also don't think Darnold is the answer, but some people still think pretty highly of him.  They could test drive him cheap for a year.  And they would also have picks to use if they like a QB in the draft.  

[Patrick Duffy]

1 minute ago, mannc said:

I agree.  It's a risk.  I also don't think Darnold is the answer, but some people still think pretty highly of him.  They could test drive him cheap for a year.  And they would also have picks to use if they like a QB in the draft.  

Where would you rank Watson? Sorry for the repeated question, I edited my other post at the same time you responded to mine. So wasn't sure if you caught it or not.

Edited January 24, 2021 by Patrick_Duffy

[mannc]

5 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

 

 

Most would likely put Watson at a top 3 QB I believe. Definitely top 5 I would think.

In your opinion, where would you rank Watson as far as one of the top QBs in the league? I would probably put him top 5, think he would definitely be no lower than 6th.

 

Where do you rank him? Just curious....

I'd put him at number four, behind Allen, Mahomes and Rodgers.  I think he's surpassed Wilson.  If I'm starting from scratch, I'd rather have Watson than Rodgers.