AFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME! Bills at Chiefs, Sunday 6:40 pm on CBS

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

5 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

Oh them. ESPN

 

USA Today 

 

they were wrong last week too

TBH, if you have only casually watched both teams all year and have your general talking points, you are picking the chiefs here. The analysis is easy— they shut josh down in the first game and Josh player poorly last week, Matthieu is a beast (because he had a great game last week), and Mahomes is the best QB in the league.

 

I think the people that study the tape and have watched both of these teams’ games critically are more evenly split on who is going to win, if not picking the Bills at a higher rate. 

 

I think the Bills are going to surprise a lot of people tomorrow. 

[co_springs_billsfan]

[Patrick Duffy]

3 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

simply a “look at the disrespect that we’re given” post.

Ahhh ok. Yeah I can see that. Went over my head there lol. Now that you pointed that out to me it makes sense.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

TBH, if you have only casually watched both teams all year and have your general talking points, you are picking the chiefs here. The analysis is easy— they shut josh down in the first game and Josh player poorly last week, Matthieu is a beast (because he had a great game last week), and Mahomes is the best QB in the league.

 

I think the people that study the tape and have watched both of these teams’ games critically are more evenly split on who is going to win, if not picking the Bills at a higher rate. 

 

I think the Bills are going to surprise a lot of people tomorrow. 

and these same people said Lamar was the better Qb too. 
 

What happened 12 weeks ago is ancient history with the way the defense has evolved and how much healthier they Bills are. 

IF They base it on that alone. They would be making a bad assessment 

Edited January 23, 2021 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce

[Patrick Duffy]

Just now, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

They always post the Around the league picks. 
 

I Agree that the title is F’d up. 

Other poster said it was because of the disrespect they been getting. If so that's a good one.

[TBBills]

12 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

Oh them. ESPN

 

USA Today 

 

they were wrong last week too

Who is Nick Wright picking?

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Just now, Patrick_Duffy said:

Other poster said it was because of the disrespect they been getting. If so that's a good one.

a bit of both. 
like I said it’s a weekly thing 

 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Just now, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

and these same people said Lamar was the better Qb too. 
 

hat happened 12 weeks ago is ancient history with the way the defense has evolved and how much healthier they Bills are. 
 

Exactly. Why is Lamar better? Because I saw him have a ridiculous run a week ago against the Titans. The analysis is so shallow— it’s mostly recency bias. 
 

I know Matthieu is very good, but because he had a good game against Cleveland last week, he is suddenly now like Ed Reed and will shut down an entire side of the field? 

 

I suppose we can also expect Taron to get another pick 6, and to hold the chiefs to 3, while we are playing this game. 

[Zerovoltz]

24 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

This is actually a fair point.  Excluding the Chargers game where the Chiefs were resting people, I would say it's true of 4 out of the final 7 games (Car, Tampa, Mia, NO) and not true of the Raiders (who led 3x including 31-28 late), Broncos (led 16-12) and Falcons (led 14-10).

 

Of course, it's equally true that some of the Bills games were not as close as the final score would appear because we let them back in it...and the counterpunch to that is the difference between "garbage time scoring" and "a brilliant come from behind effort" is only determined retrospectively, after the time W or L.

 

 

 

I actually put the Carolina game down as one where KC was comfortably ahead!  Hmmm

 

The final play of that game was Carolina attempting a 67 yard field goal that would have won the game......it had the distance and missed wide right......was almost an epic NFL classic.

[Patrick Duffy]

2 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

a bit of both. 
like I said it’s a weekly thing 

 

Well either way, we know the players are aware that they are getting over looked. Not by everyone, but a lot of damn people. That's what I like....

[Hapless Bills Fan]

20 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

I'm confused as to why the Bills would post that. Unless it's some sort of sarcastic post that I can't see. lol

 

Bulletin board material I presume

4 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:

 

The final play of that game was Carolina attempting a 67 yard field goal that would have won the game......it had the distance and missed wide right......was almost an epic NFL classic.

 

OK, so make it 3 of the last 7 games where the Chiefs were comfortably ahead and the game wasn't as close as the score would indicate

[Cheektowaga Chad]

The more I think about this game the more I think this game will leave fans shocked and in awe

 

I can see headlines going both the bills and Chiefs ways leaving fans shocked come Monday

Edited January 23, 2021 by Cheektowaga Chad

[Patrick Duffy]

So did a lot of fans show up at the airport anyway? I missed it. Thought there was a video of it, but don't remember the thread. Anyway, just curious

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Just now, starrymessenger said:

TBH I’m not at all sure Brown and Beas are entirely themselves right now. Sure they will play and give it all they have got.

Brown was off for 4 weeks. That’s as much rest as anyone is going to get. He caught 8 balls last week.

 

I don’t get this Beasley isn’t himself talk. He wore a brace and gutted out the Colts game two weeks ago with 7 catches. And last week before the Ravens game he said he was doing much better, and he was fine in that game. He created separation, there are still shots of it. People keep referencing that one pass from Allen on an out route in which he looked slow. The throw was not on target. 

Just watched the interview from this week of Beasley. No mention of his health, his knee. He’s Cole Beasley and I think he’ll play great.

 

 

 

[Success]

Man, no one told us about this - making the championship game really wreaks havoc on having a normal weekend.  I feel like I'm just finding things to do the whole time.

 

Doesn't even feel like a Saturday.  People never tell you about the downside.

 

[Zerovoltz]

37 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

Yep. I don't have an account over there on the Orange Mane but yeah, I've seen you beat those guys over the head about them passing on Allen. The way I see it, the Broncos just had terrible luck. That bad luck being terrible timing. Elway swung and missed massively twice on Oz and Lynch. Two big QB's, with perhaps underwhelming collegiate production and with athletic ability in the case of Lynch. But both were viewed as long term projects as Allen was. It would have taken massive balls for Elway to commit to a third prospect of this kind in Allen. The irony of it all of course is that Allen is probably the prototypical Elway QB prospect. And we learned that Elway's balls were not quite as large as we thought.

 

Now you just need to work on chilling out your fellow Chiefs fans over at Chiefs Planet. So many posters over there feel threatened by the fact that Allen could possibly be on the same level as Mahomes. 

 

As you said, the Bills have done a bang up job on developing Josh. Not just working with him specifically but building good offensive personnel around him. Not a knock at Mahomes but Allen was not given a golden plate so to speak when he became the Bills starting QB like Mahomes was given from day 1. It seems many Chiefs fans and some in the media do not take this into account.

Wow...thanks for taking notice of my stuff over at Orangemane.....

 

I completely agree with this (Bolded)  .....and I've pointed it out to the Broncos fans.....the O line Allen started with, 4 of the 5 were out of football within a year.  Allen was the leading rusher...by ALOT.   The recievers out of football or on the fringe of rosters as no.5 WR....it was a BAD roster.  Especially on offense.  Clearly Mahomes was given the keys to a porche...and he drove it like a championship racecar driver.  Allen was given the keys to used 1988 Yugo and drove it like a communist era taxi driver in Moscow.  ....It's a HUGE HUGE credit to the Bill entire organization what you've done with the roster, and developing Allen....many of you know I was here from the beginning as an Allen doubter...I didn't think it could be done....but wow...what a story, what a player.....If the Bills win Sunday....they are my team the in the Super Bowl.

 

[Scott7975]

3 hours ago, Zerovoltz said:

Breaking this down even more....

 

These are only stats from the KC/BUF game earlier this year.

 

Buffalo targeted WR on 84% of their pass plays in that game for a 48% success rate and an average of only 4.9 yards.  

 

In that game, KC only 46% of their targets went to WR...35% to RB and the other 19% to RB.  

 

Buffalo not having a TE or RB threat in the passing game plays to KC's strengths on D....and the Bills inability to cover TE....plays into why Kelce is a huge difference in this game.

 

Kelce is a huge difference in any game.  Acting like the game early in the year means anything is misguided.  We had a lot of injuries to our keystone players on defense.  Alan was in an arm brace from a bad shoulder injury against the Raiders.  Just like we can't cover everyone neither can the Chiefs.  The QB that best figures out the mismatches and makes the least mistakes will win.  This game is really more like 50/50 and you talk like its 80/20.  You are in for a rude surprise.  The Bills may not win but they can hang with anyone.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Exactly. Why is Lamar better? Because I saw him have a ridiculous run a week ago against the Titans. The analysis is so shallow— it’s mostly recency bias. 
 

I know Matthieu is very good, but because he had a good game against Cleveland last week, he is suddenly now like Ed Reed and will shut down an entire side of the field? 

 

I suppose we can also expect Taron to get another pick 6, and to hold the chiefs to 3, while we are playing this game. 

 

I think Matthieu is a very very good player.  But when they posted about how he had a season-best performance against the Browns where he "finished with seven total tackles, one interception, and one pass defended" my first reaction was "isn't that just kind of 'day at the office' for Jordan Poyer? 

 

Poyer only has 2 picks this season, but 6 games with 7 or more solo tackles; 11 games with 7 or more solo+ combined including 10 combined, 1 QB hit, 1 pick, 1 PD; 8 combined, 1 QB hit, 1 TFL; 6 combined, 1 QB hit, 1 TFL, 1 PD.  🤷‍♂️.  He's a beast; glad we paid him.

[Steptide]

We're about 25 hrs away from kick off and the anticipation is brutal. Today has been a long day 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Brown was off for 4 weeks. That’s as much rest as anyone is going to get. He caught 8 balls last week.

 

I don’t get this Beasley isn’t himself talk. He wore a brace and gutted out the Colts game two weeks ago with 7 catches. And last week before the Ravens game he said he was doing much better, and he was fine in that game. He created separation, there are still shots of it. People keep referencing that one pass from Allen on an out route in which he looked slow. The throw was not on target. 

Just watched the interview from this week of Beasley. No mention of his health, his knee. He’s Cole Beasley and I think he’ll play great.

 

There was one play early on where Beas tried to cut and slipped and fell, but that kind of thing does happen occasionally regardless.

 

Do I think Bease is hampered, sure.  Do I think he can still contribute?  Absolutely.

[NewEra]

The more I think about the game, the more I think Sammy is gonna be an integral part of their offense tomorrow. If he’s healthy, he’s a mismatch against any of wallace, Norman and johnson. 

[Patrick Duffy]

Just now, Steptide said:

We're about 25 hrs away from kick off and the anticipation is brutal. Today has been a long day 

Lol, I have been fine for the whole week, until yesterday evening and now it's really setting in today. Love it though. I knew our Bills would be better this season after last year.

 

But I didn't expect this much better, just yet anyway. So it has been a pleasant surprise. Think I predicted 11-5 or 12-4 before it started. I did kinda expect them to win the division this year, but not in the fashion they did do it with a sweep of everyone.

 

Been a great ride no matter what happens tomorrow.

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

4 minutes ago, NewEra said:

The more I think about the game, the more I think Sammy is gonna be an integral part of their offense tomorrow. If he’s healthy, he’s a mismatch against any of wallace, Norman and johnson. 

Yes, Playoff Sammy Watkins = Clemson Sammy Watkins and it's a problem. Hopefully he's still bothered by the calf.

[finn]

26 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

TBH, if you have only casually watched both teams all year and have your general talking points, you are picking the chiefs here. The analysis is easy— they shut josh down in the first game and Josh player poorly last week, Matthieu is a beast (because he had a great game last week), and Mahomes is the best QB in the league.

That's what I don't get. I mean, commentary is these people's job. They're supposed to be informed. And it's not hard. In fact, it's fun and really interesting to look at the tape and do your research. Yet it seems 3/4 of them just wing it off the top of their head, repeating fluff they heard on the radio driving into work. "Allen has been struggling in the playoffs"; "Mahomes is unstoppable"; "It's going to be the same as the first game, which I didn't watch but I heard a lot about." Lazy, dumb, glib, smug... And then they don't own it when they're wrong. 

[Dukestreetking]

7 hours ago, Dr. Who said:

It's not even lazy/old takes, just wrong ones - some totally from left field.  But if they say it with a lot of volume and conviction it must be true.  And there's rarely anyone else present with any actual knowledge to correct or challenge them. 

This is absolutely correct.

7 hours ago, Dr. Who said:

Now, imagine that this isn't just true for football

Yes: I can say this 💯 true due to "insider" knowledge.

 

Quick story: for 2 yrs, I was "public" as on-air expert for one of the Big 3 broadcast networks, NY hq. Won't say which cuz you'll look me up, then roast me for my makeup and live hits.

 

Anyway, colleague and myself were the young(ish), just-been-on-the-ground, kind of analysts. The other major expert group was compromised of retired flag officers and an academic or two.

 

Analogy: 1st group= today's youtubers, few analysts that care. 2nd group=typical nfl analyst, esp ex-players.

 

We--the hungry ones--worked arses off w PAs, EPs, News Directors, anchor, etc. Not just for our personal on-air hits, but for any story on the subject, w/n unclassified boundaries, of course.

 

Other group: ehhh, not so much. Stuff they pulled out their butts we couldn't believe! They felt their "access" to this or that senior official, or someone on JCS was all that was required.

 

Needless to say, it was disgusting. But, the $ was ridiculous, and even that (very) small notoriety brought, well, pleasurable attention!

 

ok, done w my rant.

Edited January 23, 2021 by Dukestreetking
Typos, typos

[Steptide]

3 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

Lol, I have been fine for the whole week, until yesterday evening and now it's really setting in today. Love it though. I knew our Bills would be better this season after last year.

 

But I didn't expect this much better, just yet anyway. So it has been a pleasant surprise. Think I predicted 11-5 or 12-4 before it started. I did kinda expect them to win the division this year, but not in the fashion they did do it with a sweep of everyone.

 

Been a great ride no matter what happens tomorrow.

Yep I agree. Have to keep reminding myself of this. I had them at 10-6 this year and they far exceeded my expectations. I wanna get to that superbowl, but even if they don't, this season has been so much more than I think any of us expected 

[YoloinOhio]

17 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

So did a lot of fans show up at the airport anyway? I missed it. Thought there was a video of it, but don't remember the thread. Anyway, just curious

Yes - it was very loud 

[Patrick Duffy]

6 minutes ago, NewEra said:

The more I think about the game, the more I think Sammy is gonna be an integral part of their offense tomorrow. If he’s healthy, he’s a mismatch against any of wallace, Norman and johnson. 

This is true. Not sure if he is gona go tomorrow, but if he does, he may not be 100% either. Also knowing Watkins as well as we do, he may not go the full game before he is hurt again. Guy had/has the talent, just not reliable to stay on the field. And in that event, what good are you? A handful of games?

 

Not sure how many total games he has missed this season so far, but we know he can't stay healthy.

[EmotionallyUnstable]

24 hour countdown has begun. 

[YoloinOhio]

1 minute ago, Steptide said:

Yep I agree. Have to keep reminding myself of this. I had them at 10-6 this year and they far exceeded my expectations. I wanna get to that superbowl, but even if they don't, this season has been so much more than I think any of us expected 

I can’t really describe what this season has been like. Probably will write about it at some point. 

[AKC]

Trend: Sean McDermott and Andy Reid are 1 and 1 against each other with the winner in both cases being the visiting team. 

[Steptide]

Also that new Kyle Brandt hype video should be coming anytime now 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

8 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Yes, Playoff Sammy Watkins = Clemson Sammy Watkins and it's a problem. Hopefully he's still bothered by the calf.

Sammy Watkins......

 

They’re way better with Hardman as the #2 over Watkins.

 

 

[K-9]

1 hour ago, RevWarRifleman said:

Go Bills!!  I want revenge for the 1967 AFL championship game. Yes, I remember it.

Didn’t we get that in the ‘93 AFC championship game? I see this game as the rubber match. 

[Success]

16 minutes ago, AKC said:

Trend: Sean McDermott and Andy Reid are 1 and 1 against each other with the winner in both cases being the visiting team. 

 

The coaching feels like a wash in this one.  McD has really emerged - I have complete faith in him at this point, and the staff. They gameplan & adjust very well.

 

Reid has always been a top coach. I was really happy he got the monkey off his back last year.  It has really changed the narrative on him (though true fans of the game always knew he was great).

 

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

The Chiefs have a good team. We have a good team. I’ll take our guys any day of the week just as much as Chiefs fans will take their guys. 
 

Last  week I was about 50-50 how the game would turn out. And last week one side of the ball exceeded my expectations. This week I feel about 60-40 for us hoping that all three phases of the ball come together.
 

I’m thankful we have a have Quarterback that has played to Mahomes level this season.
 

I thin game should be different than our first matchup.  Both teams missed some key players. Our offense had to adjust after the Titans Chiefs games to how they were being defended. We should have more answers. Daboll is right though we need to score points in this one. 

 

All that is left is  to play the game  and put forth our best effort! That’s all we can hope for.  
 

I think our best effort gives us a great shot to win. 

 

 

[WideNine]

I am trying everything I can think of not to think about this game.

 

If I don't stop I won't have anything left in the tank come kickoff.

 

Besides that dresser needed sanding and refinishing.... today.

 

😅

[Patrick Duffy]

39 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I can’t really describe what this season has been like. Probably will write about it at some point. 

Would be an interesting read. As far as Bills fans or die hard football fans of whatever teams they like. But think Bills fans would relate to it the most since we are all likely feeling and going through the same thoughts/emotions. 

[eball]

44 minutes ago, Steptide said:

Yep I agree. Have to keep reminding myself of this. I had them at 10-6 this year and they far exceeded my expectations. I wanna get to that superbowl, but even if they don't, this season has been so much more than I think any of us expected 

All along I had the Bills at 12 or more wins this season and winning the East, but even I did not imagine what Allen in particular has done. I envisioned a better defense all year with Allen taking the next reasonable step, and I thought next year would be when the Bills became a monster. It has been my second favorite Bills season of all time (1990) but if they win tomorrow it may surpass even that. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

2 minutes ago, eball said:

All along I had the Bills at 12 or more wins this season and winning the East, but even I did not imagine what Allen in particular has done. I envisioned a better defense all year with Allen taking the next reasonable step, and I thought next year would be when the Bills became a monster. It has been my second favorite Bills season of all time (1990) but if they win tomorrow it may surpass even that. 

if they win tomorrow, this will be the best single season in team history, IMO.  a lot of that has to do with overcoming covid,  the meteoric rise of Allen, and the quality of their regular season and playoff wins.