Billsfan1972 Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 Just read a Ringer article with the same excuses..... Imagine Allen throwing a 101 yard pick 6? Any articles or people questioning Lamar after yesterday? He needs better receivers seems to be a tired excuse. As I said elsewhere "How do you know, when you throw so little and very few are actual traditional plays as most are a result of Lamar's athleticism and many busted plays"? And what receiver would sign to play with Lamar and this offense? 2 1 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 Where’s the link? What are the excuses they list? Low effort man 5 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 But I heard nothing but MVP talk during the broadcast for 3 quarters. 🧐 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 It’s reputation. Everybody jumped on the Lamar bandwagon after his MVP season and are refusing to jump off...yet. Just like some don’t really want to give Josh credit for being a great quarterback...yet. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted January 17, 2021 Author Share Posted January 17, 2021 (edited) 24 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: Where’s the link? What are the excuses they list? Low effort man Here is the Ringer Article... https://www.theringer.com/nfl-playoffs/2021/1/17/22235510/baltimore-ravens-go-bust-buffalo-bills Part of it said Lamar needs the weapons Josh has and he'd be "better" & since Allen did it, of course Lamar can too.(paraphrasing) Yep too lazy to look for others, which is why I posted....😜 I like Lamar as a person, just think he has had too many accolades..... Edited January 17, 2021 by Billsfan1972 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 Having the greatest receivers in the game wouldn’t have altered that INT because LJ stared down Andrews the entire time. He led Taron Johnson there with his eyes. 8 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 Just now, Billsfan1972 said: Here is the Ringer Article... https://www.theringer.com/nfl-playoffs/2021/1/17/22235510/baltimore-ravens-go-bust-buffalo-bills Yep too lazy to look for others, which is why I posted....😜 I like Lamar as a person, just think he has had too many accolades..... not really how it works around here. If you want to post a piss and moan topic about the media, at least make some effort to provide the source chief. 1 2 3 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted January 17, 2021 Author Share Posted January 17, 2021 Just now, JoPoy88 said: not really how it works around here. If you want to post a piss and moan topic about the media, at least make some effort to provide the source chief. And I now posted the article..... Want more? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 8 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Just read a Ringer article with the same excuses..... Imagine Allen throwing a 101 yard pick 6? Any articles or people questioning Lamar after yesterday? He needs better receivers seems to be a tired excuse. As I said elsewhere "How do you know, when you throw so little and very few are actual traditional plays as most are a result of Lamar's athleticism and many busted plays"? And what receiver would sign to play with Lamar and this offense? Jerry Rice in his prime wouldn't do anything with Lamar Jackson as his QB 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Billsfan1972 said: And I now posted the article..... Want more? i see that you did and i appreciate it. to your topic - if one of the excuses about Jackson is the lack of weapons argument, well literally hundreds of posters right here were making the exact same excuse for Allen 2 years ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 (edited) Just seeing the usual Twitter idiots claiming we only won because Jackson got injured, as if he was suddenly going to become a good QB and pass his way out of a 2+ score 4th quarter deficit. Some even saying we injured him on purpose. Edited January 17, 2021 by 1ManRaid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 10 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: i see that you did and i appreciate it. to your topic - if one of the excuses about Jackson is the lack of weapons argument, well literally hundreds of posters right here were making the exact same excuse for Allen 2 years ago Hollywood Brown: 1st round pick. He was supposed to be bigger and better this year. Mark Andrews: 3rd round pick. Pro Bowler Miles Boykin: 3rd round pick Devin Duvernay: 3rd round pick JK Dobbins: 2nd round pick how many weapons does a QB need? 10 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 8 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said: Just seeing the usual Twitter idiots claiming we only won because Jackson got injured, as if he was suddenly going to become a good QB and pass his way out of a 2+ score 4th quarter deficit. Some even saying we injured him on purpose. well that’s twitter and it’s packed to capacity with fools so I wouldn’t get too upset with that 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 Where do they believe the Ravens will find this WR1? They loaded up on one of the best defenses in football. They drafted a top end RB. They have spent on OL. They have a top end TE. They have to pay Lamar soon. Can’t afford give the guy everything.... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 I think he has a lot of talent but is being hurt by an offensive coordinator who has an outdated philosophy and a weak group of WR's. Swap him and Allen and I think Jackson does very well with our roster and Daboll's ofense. Do I want to see that- absolutely not! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted January 17, 2021 Author Share Posted January 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Bermuda Triangle said: Hollywood Brown: 1st round pick. He was supposed to be bigger and better this year. Mark Andrews: 3rd round pick. Pro Bowler Miles Boykin: 3rd round pick Devin Duvernay: 3rd round pick JK Dobbins: 2nd round pick how many weapons does a QB need? Brown had only 100 targets this year. ANother great receiver and that means less. They are a running team and no FA WR wants to go there under those circumstances. 16 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: i see that you did and i appreciate it. to your topic - if one of the excuses about Jackson is the lack of weapons argument, well literally hundreds of posters right here were making the exact same excuse for Allen 2 years ago However Allen is a passer, not a runner and we know how bad the receivers were year 1, and improved year 2, but the offensive game plan was basically "Don't make mistakes, because our defense will win us 20-17 games", which is what I said all year. Remember no 300 yard passing games for three straight years. Longest by any other team was 17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Bermuda Triangle said: Hollywood Brown: 1st round pick. He was supposed to be bigger and better this year. Mark Andrews: 3rd round pick. Pro Bowler Miles Boykin: 3rd round pick Devin Duvernay: 3rd round pick JK Dobbins: 2nd round pick how many weapons does a QB need? Boykin and Duvernay haven't been great though have they? Despite their draft status. Duvernay can't get on the field ahead of Snead an UDFA who has done very little since his rookie year playing with Drew Brees. They had the corpse of Dez Bryant running go routes last night. In a playoff game. Not that Jackson doesn't have to take a lot of blame for their performance offensively but it is not all on him. And he has shown he can win a lot in the regular season against the bulk of the league. So what do the Ravens do? Scrap that and start again or see if there is a way of surrounding him with guys that can elevate him in those big moments? I think for NOW at least you try the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted January 17, 2021 Author Share Posted January 17, 2021 (edited) 19 hours ago, Adam said: I think he has a lot of talent but is being hurt by an offensive coordinator who has an outdated philosophy and a weak group of WR's. Swap him and Allen and I think Jackson does very well with our roster and Daboll's ofense. Do I want to see that- absolutely not! Want to bet Diggs wouldn't be screaming at him him like he did Cousins??? Diggs would be apoplectic with 100 targets......😜 Edited January 18, 2021 by Billsfan1972 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: Boykin and Duvernay haven't been great though have they? Despite their draft status. Duvernay can't get on the field ahead of Snead an UDFA who has done very little since his rookie year playing with Drew Brees. They had the corpse of Dez Bryant running go routes last night. In a playoff game. Not that Jackson doesn't have to take a lot of blame for their performance offensively but it is not all on him. And he has shown he can win a lot in the regular season against the bulk of the league. So what do the Ravens do? Scrap that and start again or see if there is a way of surrounding him with guys that can elevate him in those big moments? I think for NOW at least you try the latter. I don't watch enough Ravens games to say how well Boykin and Duvernay have looked. If they haven't played well, is maybe some of the blame on their offensive system (which is tailored to the QB's strengths) and to the QB himself? Regardless, the Ravens have assembled weapons for Jackson. Why some of them haven't produced is a matter of opinion. I do think that Andrews and Dobbins would be TE1 and RB1 on the Bills, by a fairly large margin. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted January 17, 2021 Author Share Posted January 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Bermuda Triangle said: I don't watch enough Ravens games to say how well Boykin and Duvernay have looked. If they haven't played well, is maybe some of the blame on their offensive system (which is tailored to the QB's strengths) and to the QB himself? Regardless, the Ravens have assembled weapons for Jackson. Why some of them haven't produced is a matter of opinion. I do think that Andrews and Dobbins would be TE1 and RB1 on the Bills, by a fairly large margin. They don't pass & Lamar as a passer is below average right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Bermuda Triangle said: I do think that Andrews and Dobbins would be TE1 and RB1 on the Bills, by a fairly large margin. They would. And they get production out of those guys. Does the way they play offense and Lamar's skillset limit the receiver production? Yes to some extent. But I think the receiver talent does too. Isn't black and white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Almighty Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 12 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said: Hollywood Brown: 1st round pick. He was supposed to be bigger and better this year. Mark Andrews: 3rd round pick. Pro Bowler Miles Boykin: 3rd round pick Devin Duvernay: 3rd round pick JK Dobbins: 2nd round pick how many weapons does a QB need? To be fair nobody on this list screams defensive planning. Andrews is out there alone basically. To me they are almost as bad as the Tyrod Bills offense. Remember when we led the league in rushing with that coach, what was his name? Oh yeah Roman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Billsfan1972 said: They don't pass & Lamar as a passer is below average right now. Agreed. And those receivers other than Brown are below average NFL receivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 37 minutes ago, K-9 said: Having the greatest receivers in the game wouldn’t have altered that INT because LJ stared down Andrews the entire time. He led Taron Johnson there with his eyes. Johnson's responsibility was the zone in the flat where Snead was wide open...Jackson's eyes told him he didn't need to cover that and snuck underneath the throw 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 Until and unless the Ravens pass the ball more and Jackson improves as a passer, it doesn't matter who the Ravens line up at RB, WR or TE, and the "lack of weapons" excuse will be a convenient excuse 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 22 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said: Hollywood Brown: 1st round pick. He was supposed to be bigger and better this year. Mark Andrews: 3rd round pick. Pro Bowler Miles Boykin: 3rd round pick Devin Duvernay: 3rd round pick JK Dobbins: 2nd round pick how many weapons does a QB need? Rattling off their skill positions and their draft round means less than nothing. How are those guys actually playing? Andrews is the only one I’d consider a “great” weapon. They are giving meaningful snaps to Willie Sneed bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 Jackson will be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 26 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said: Hollywood Brown: 1st round pick. He was supposed to be bigger and better this year. Mark Andrews: 3rd round pick. Pro Bowler Miles Boykin: 3rd round pick Devin Duvernay: 3rd round pick JK Dobbins: 2nd round pick how many weapons does a QB need? If you read the article they posted, the only two good pass catchers are really Andrews and Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: Rattling off their skill positions and their draft round means less than nothing. How are those guys actually playing? Andrews is the only one I’d consider a “great” weapon. They are giving meaningful snaps to Willie Sneed bro. In Snead's first year with Baltimore, when Jackson started 7 games, Snead had 62 catches. The past 2 years, he has had 33 and 31 catches. Wonder why... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted January 17, 2021 Author Share Posted January 17, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, FireChans said: If you read the article they posted, the only two good pass catchers are really Andrews and Brown. That was the point... EXCUSES!!!! The Ravens scored 3 points & Lamar threw a 101 yard pick six. Can you imagine Nick Wright (yes our new whipping bow) if that was Josh???? Edited January 17, 2021 by Billsfan1972 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 Nobody was talking about Jackson's lack of weapons BEFORE the game....How good would Allen be with the Ravens' running game putting extra guys in the box and helping out the passing game? Given the windy conditions, neither QB played an outstanding game, but Allen got it done when he needed it and Jackson didn't. Allen threw a TD to Diggs and Jackson threw a pick 6 to Taron Johnson. Any excuses for Jackson are nonsense. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted January 17, 2021 Author Share Posted January 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said: In Snead's first year with Baltimore, when Jackson started 7 games, Snead had 62 catches. The past 2 years, he has had 33 and 31 catches. Wonder why... https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/17258/willie-snead-iv No targets, no catches...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said: In Snead's first year with Baltimore, when Jackson started 7 games, Snead had 62 catches. The past 2 years, he has had 33 and 31 catches. Wonder why... Kelvin Benjamin...1st round pick. why couldn’t allen make it work??????? 19 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: They would. And they get production out of those guys. Does the way they play offense and Lamar's skillset limit the receiver production? Yes to some extent. But I think the receiver talent does too. Isn't black and white. True but Lamar did get production out of Andrews last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: True but Lamar did get production out of Andrews last year. Yea and Andrews is talented. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: Kelvin Benjamin...1st round pick. why couldn’t allen make it work??????? You should probably try to troll less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 38 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said: Just seeing the usual Twitter idiots claiming we only won because Jackson got injured, as if he was suddenly going to become a good QB and pass his way out of a 2+ score 4th quarter deficit. Some even saying we injured him on purpose. I was worried about the opposite - we had a game plan for Lamar and it was working. The backup was an unknown factor. I remember the game when Favre "crossed the Moats." Tavaris Jackson came in and shredded us. Had Favre stayed in, I think we could have won. And nothing about Lamar's injury looked like it was even remotely intentional. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 The ringer is decent, I like Simmons, but its also super "woke, let's not offend anybody, or criticize any athlete we might be able to get on a podcast in the future". That Mallory they have on who is a Ravens fan is brutal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 29 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said: Hollywood Brown: 1st round pick. He was supposed to be bigger and better this year. Mark Andrews: 3rd round pick. Pro Bowler Miles Boykin: 3rd round pick Devin Duvernay: 3rd round pick JK Dobbins: 2nd round pick how many weapons does a QB need? Zay Jones- 2nd rd pick Kelvin Benjamin- 1st rd pick TJ Graham - 3rd round pick james Hardy- 2nd rd pick. rasaun woods- 1st rd pick- Reggie Williams 1st rd pick matt Jones- 1st rd pick Corey Coleman- 1st rd pick darius Hayward bey- 1st rd pick mike williams- 1st rd pick john Ross- 1st rd pick Peter warrick- 1st rd pick david Terrell- 1st rd pick I could go on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorkScrewHill Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 51 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Here is the Ringer Article... https://www.theringer.com/nfl-playoffs/2021/1/17/22235510/baltimore-ravens-go-bust-buffalo-bills Part of it said Lamar needs the weapons Josh has and he'd be "better" & since Allen did it, of course Lamar can too.(paraphrasing) Yep too lazy to look for others, which is why I posted....😜 I like Lamar as a person, just think he has had too many accolades..... I think it was a pretty reasonable assessment of the Ravens situation. They are definitely lacking in some offensive areas .. and to imply Jackson can get better at 24 should not be an extreme position for fans of a player who has steadily progressed. I wouldn't trade Josh for him, but like Baker I wouldn't guarantee he won't be better than Josh even though I suspect he will not be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 If you were a free agent receiver in the NFL, would you want to play for the Ravens? If not, why? Just now, NewEra said: Zay Jones- 2nd rd pick Kelvin Benjamin- 1st rd pick I deleted the players who had nothing to do with Josh Allen. Jones and Benjamin were cut loose by the Bills. Benjamin was shot before he played for the Bills. Duvernay was just drafted this year, and Boykin last year. Apples and oranges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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