Hebert19 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 He was unblockable out there sometimes. He is getting a lot more flash plays the last few weeks. He's part of the reason we have been able to get the pressure we have on the edges and blitzing. There is no pocket to step up into. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Just now, Hebert19 said: He was unblockable out there sometimes. He is getting a lot more flash plays the last few weeks. He's part of the reason we have been able to get the pressure we have on the edges and blitzing. There is no pocket to step up into. Yea he obviously made a couple of dumb mistakes today but overall this was his best game in a number of weeks. He was causing problems even when doubled today. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 21 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Yea he obviously made a couple of dumb mistakes today but overall this was his best game in a number of weeks. He was causing problems even when doubled today. I don't think the roughing thr passer was a good call. By the rulebook anyway. No head or neck, outside pocket. He barely even landed on him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philo Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Put a true 1 tech beside him next year and it's game on. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, Philo said: Put a true 1 tech beside him next year and it's game on. Even just a legitimate NFL player would be a huge upgrade at this point. He's literally the only DT on this roster that should be taking regular snaps at this level. Unfortunately, with McDermott's insistence on a constant rotation, I don't expect the Bills to find a good partner for him because they seem inclined to devalue what I think is the most important position on the defense. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, Simon said: He's literally the only DT on this roster that should be taking regular snaps at this level.. Agree. I don't think Ed is good as the 1 tech when they use him there but even Ed as the 1 tech would be an upgrade on what is at the 1 tech when Ed is at the 3..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Cover 1 dudes thought epenesa played his best Game yet. I saw a really good play on TFL. Wondering if anyone’s else noticed. also agree Ed had a good game (great if not for the penalty) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsherd Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Just now, YattaOkasan said: Cover 1 dudes thought epenesa played his best Game yet. I saw a really good play on TFL. Wondering if anyone’s else noticed. also agree Ed had a good game (great if not for the penalty) I thought ppl will talk about him a bit more after today. He looked to have a good game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 26 minutes ago, Philo said: Put a true 1 tech beside him next year and it's game on. Agreed put Star or another run plugger in there and by year 3 he should dominate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 28 minutes ago, dneveu said: I don't think the roughing thr passer was a good call. By the rulebook anyway. No head or neck, outside pocket. He barely even landed on him. he hit him in the chest!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philo Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 22 minutes ago, Simon said: Even just a legitimate NFL player would be a huge upgrade at this point. He's literally the only DT on this roster that should be taking regular snaps at this level. Unfortunately, with McDermott's insistence on a constant rotation, I don't expect the Bills to find a good partner for him because they seem inclined to devalue what I think is the most important position on the defense. I think that is fair. Probably wishful thinking to hope that if they find a solid 1T (Star or otherwise) that they don't continuously rotate them around. Just please keep Ed in the position he plays best even if they insist on rotating the other pieces. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: he hit him in the chest!! I thought White actually should have been flagged for it. He went low which is also a penalty. Not sure why they called it on Oliver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Just now, MDH said: I thought White actually should have been flagged for it. He went low which is also a penalty. Not sure why they called it on Oliver. I agree. I guess Gannon said that Hebert was out of the pocket and so White was able to hit him low. I didn’t realize that was the rule. BTW, I would be really Mad as a chargers’ fan. Hebert took at least three shots to the knees today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 18 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said: Cover 1 dudes thought epenesa played his best Game yet. I saw a really good play on TFL. Wondering if anyone’s else noticed. also agree Ed had a good game (great if not for the penalty) I remember thinking he was making an impact. Solely responsible for one run stuff and then made a different hit to trip up a back behind the line one other time that somebody else cleaned up. Also had a nice pressure on a third down incompletion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, MDH said: I thought White actually should have been flagged for it. He went low which is also a penalty. Not sure why they called it on Oliver. Once the QB bails out of the pocket he no longer has protection with that low tackle rule. I never saw a replay on the actual penalty against Oliver and considering what else went on out there today, I am not giving any stripes the benefit of the doubt after that brutal performance. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 21 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said: Cover 1 dudes thought epenesa played his best Game yet. I saw a really good play on TFL. Wondering if anyone’s else noticed. also agree Ed had a good game (great if not for the penalty) Epenesa had a few nice plays today and was noticeable in the backfield 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 33 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said: Cover 1 dudes thought epenesa played his best Game yet. I saw a really good play on TFL. Wondering if anyone’s else noticed. also agree Ed had a good game (great if not for the penalty) I thought I saw a play where he came around and caught a guy on the other side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 32 minutes ago, MDH said: I thought White actually should have been flagged for it. He went low which is also a penalty. Not sure why they called it on Oliver. Herbert was out of the pocket. Had he been in the pocket that would have been a Personal Foul on White. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 26 minutes ago, Simon said: Once the QB bails out of the pocket he no longer has protection with that low tackle rule. I never saw a replay on the actual penalty against Oliver and considering what else went on out there today, I am not giving any stripes the benefit of the doubt after that brutal performance. Yes that is why White tackle was ok. Oliver blasted Herbert in a high low combo hit with White. It was a violent collision. Like it or not they are going to throw the flag more often than not when that happens. If the same hit happens to Allen this board would be screaming for roughing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Yes that is why White tackle was ok. Oliver blasted Herbert in a high low combo hit with White. It was a violent collision. Like it or not they are going to throw the flag more often than not when that happens. If the same hit happens to Allen this board would be screaming for roughing. That last criteria was why I was ok with it. Thought it was on Tre at first and wasn’t happy but I wouldn’t want that hit on josh not called. The moss and Allen fouls were just so silly though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protocal69 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 53 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said: Cover 1 dudes thought epenesa played his best Game yet. I saw a really good play on TFL. Wondering if anyone’s else noticed. also agree Ed had a good game (great if not for the penalty) Guys on the Chargers forums were mad cause they traded up to get another guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaronthebaron Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 After watching the replay, my opinion on the starting DL is Hughes, Zimmer, Oliver, Epenesa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Nice thanks everyone for responding. Sorta off the OP but that makes this the best game by our rookies by far. Probably best game of this year for the 2019 draft too (although Ford is done 🤮) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: he hit him in the chest!! I think it was that it was late and not where he hit him. If he can let up after a throw he needs to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Yea he obviously made a couple of dumb mistakes today but overall this was his best game in a number of weeks. He was causing problems even when doubled today. Is it me or did he look a lot bigger? He looks like he put on 20 pounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: I agree. I guess Gannon said that Hebert was out of the pocket and so White was able to hit him low. I didn’t realize that was the rule. 1 hour ago, Simon said: Once the QB bails out of the pocket he no longer has protection with that low tackle rule. 59 minutes ago, purple haze said: Herbert was out of the pocket. Had he been in the pocket that would have been a Personal Foul on White. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 2 hours ago, Simon said: Even just a legitimate NFL player would be a huge upgrade at this point. He's literally the only DT on this roster that should be taking regular snaps at this level. Unfortunately, with McDermott's insistence on a constant rotation, I don't expect the Bills to find a good partner for him because they seem inclined to devalue what I think is the most important position on the defense. Ed was on more than usual though. It felt that way anyway. 51 minutes ago, Aaronthebaron said: After watching the replay, my opinion on the starting DL is Hughes, Zimmer, Oliver, Epenesa. This. And butler Harry and Addison rotating in. 57 minutes ago, Protocal69 said: Guys on the Chargers forums were mad cause they traded up to get another guy Epenesa is kelsey. Sets edge. Can get to QB if coverage holds up. Solid in run. He will be a good pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 3 hours ago, Hebert19 said: He was unblockable out there sometimes. He is getting a lot more flash plays the last few weeks. He's part of the reason we have been able to get the pressure we have on the edges and blitzing. There is no pocket to step up into. I love your threads Herb. They are usually always about positive things. I appreciate that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 1 minute ago, BillsFan4 said: I love your threads Herb. They are usually always about positive things. I appreciate that. Well I figure we can complain about the negatives all day if we want. As there are many but we are 8 and 3 after years of *****...so be happy and hope she all comes together when it matters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 2 hours ago, Protocal69 said: Guys on the Chargers forums were mad cause they traded up to get another guy Kenneth Murray? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 3 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: I agree. I guess Gannon said that Hebert was out of the pocket and so White was able to hit him low. I didn’t realize that was the rule. BTW, I would be really Mad as a chargers’ fan. Hebert took at least three shots to the knees today. I don't get the rule either, because you see sacks almost every game where the defender is on the ground and then lunges and gets the QB around the legs and no penalty flag is thrown for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 3 hours ago, Philo said: Put a true 1 tech beside him next year and it's game on. Yup. Dont worry its on Beane's list. Noticed they activated Harrison today, didnt see him in the game until late but he and Ed know each other well out there. That one strip sack move big Ed was on Herbert in less than 2 seconds. He's got a nasty chop goin for that ball, reminded me of the Dak strip sack he had last year. Fyi that roughing the passer call was ridic. Of course CBS never shows replays at different angles or slo mo but i rewatched it, the league owes 91 an apology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Protocal69 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Kenneth Murray? yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 For those still not sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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