Completely out coached again.

[John from Riverside]

2 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

Not really.  We won, but not because of implementing an effective game plan.

 

Did you get a chance to watch the game?

 

 

Wtf are you talking about

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

How would you have felt about the coaching if we ended regulation tied or trailing with 2 timeouts left? and one used with the clock stopped. 
 

 

[Chandler#81]

1 minute ago, Chemical said:

How would you have felt about the coaching if we ended regulation tied or trailing with 2 timeouts left? and one used with the clock stopped. 
 

 

How would you have felt if Kennedy wasn’t assassinated? If Hillary won in ‘16? If the Titanic veered to miss the iceberg?

 

WTF does it even matter? We won the damn game! It’s in the history books. Jesus!🤦‍♂️ 

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

4 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

How would you have felt if Kennedy wasn’t assassinated? If Hillary won in ‘16? If the Titanic veered to miss the iceberg?

 

WTF does it even matter? We won the damn game! It’s in the history books. Jesus!🤦‍♂️ 

Noted. Post game analysis not welcome at TBD after a win. 
 

To answer your question, it matters because there may be another game with similar circumstances and I would hope we use our timeouts once NE is in fg range with the clock running. I would ask what your hope would be in that situation but it seems you’re not interested in a nuanced discussion about strategy. 
 

 

Edited November 2, 2020 by Chemical

[Chandler#81]

Yeah, I apologize. It’s been more insane around here following a home victory over the Patriots than any blowout loss. 

 

My answer is that in less than 3 full seasons of play, I believe in Josh Allen with the ball and the game in his hands -whether it be late in the 4th quarter or OT. 

The Pats* kept getting chunk plays on their final drive, which rarely transfers to the Defense calling TO with the clock ticking. With so little time left, merely forcing them to go for a FG (through a 3rd Down stop or the clock) would produce OT. 

Again, see my belief in Allen in those situations. 

[JMF2006]

13 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

Because NEs roster is so inferior.

 

Bills were way more talented than NE and it took a practice squad player to save the day for the bills today.

 

Does it really matter who makes the plays? I don't understand your angle?

 

The back up safety Marlowe recovered the fumble.

 

I personally think its good for the team when  players other than your stars step up and make plays.

 

Depth players need to contribute to keep their spots.

[Qearly2018]

Bring back Marv

[longtimebillsfan]

4 minutes ago, Qearly2018 said:

Bring back Marv

Bring back Harvey Johnson (an old guy reference)

[Billsfan1972]

The Bills won and yep 6-2.....  However to not see the issues with this team (particularly coaching) plays into the definition of Fandom.

 

I'm a huge Bills fan and want to see them play to their potential, and I don't see that.

 

They barley hung on to beat a decimated NE team at home.

[Malazan]

4 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

The Bills won and yep 6-2.....  However to not see the issues with this team (particularly coaching) plays into the definition of Fandom.

 

This is a stupid fallacy that some folks around here keep propagating. People see the issues and they're happy with a win. The problem is there's a group of people on here that only see the issues and completely disregard that they won. 

Edited November 2, 2020 by jeremy2020

[Billsfan1972]

11 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

 

This is a stupid fallacy that some folks around here keep propagating. People see the issues and they're happy with a win. The problem is there's a group of people on here that only see the issues and completely disregard that they won. 

They ran the ball well...  That's the extent of the positives imo.

 

They squeaked by a much inferior team and again did not show their full potential.

 

Have the Bills played a complete game yet (closest was Raiders)?

[nucci]

16 hours ago, jamiezzz said:

We’re completely outcoached weekly.  It’s absolutely disgusting.  Best talent in AFC East,  but still can’t play good ball.  Time for a coaching change.

show examples, please. Another football cliche that doesn't work. Where were we outcoached?

[Billsfan1972]

3 minutes ago, nucci said:

show examples, please. Another football cliche that doesn't work. Where were we outcoached?

When playing a team as wounded & weak in every aspect of the game as the Pats were yesterday, and the game decided by a last minute fumpble when the Pats were at the Bill 20, then yes it is the coaching.  

 

The Pats on top of everything were also missing their best receiver Edelman & the DPOY Gilmore.  

[BillsFan130]

2 hours ago, JMF2006 said:

 

Does it really matter who makes the plays? I don't understand your angle?

 

The back up safety Marlowe recovered the fumble.

 

I personally think its good for the team when  players other than your stars step up and make plays.

 

Depth players need to contribute to keep their spots.

I was just trying to make a point that with all the free agents McDermott brought in for HIS defence along with the players him/beane have drafted in the early rounds, they get gashed week in and week out. Not a good look on Mcd.

 

Great play by Zimmer. Taking nothing away from him at all.

 

 

Edited November 2, 2020 by BillsFan130

[cwater10]

You want a quick two words to chew on with your breakfast while you ponder who out-coached whom yesterday?  Here you go: Tyler Matakevich!  Let that tongue twisting name wash over your palate for a moment or for several minutes if that's what it takes for you to get it.  Put that name, that salad of iambic pentameter like sounds in your mouth over and over again before you take your coaching review to the keyboard again.  

 

For at least twenty years, we have coined the phrase "Billsy" applied it to creative new ways to achieve heartbreak and losses.  Yesterday was again "Billsy", but not by us.  Mediocre coaches, and we've had our share, never saw these moments looming or approaching.  They, and we were devastated time and time again as these little moments turned into the bigger more obvious turning points that turned wins (and winds) to losses into Bills Mafia ulcers and our team's successes into failures.  Think, if you can stomach it over breakfast,  about McKelvin bringing the ball out of and end zone, or a defensive scheme responsible for leaving Dallas receivers uncovered near a sideline with only seconds to play.  These little ominous moments were our way of football life for so long that we became almost numb to them.  These were our trademark needless, unforced errors based in fear and desperation.  Yesterday, our perennial perpetrator of these moments came calling with another of these potential kicks to the crotch.  And McDermott had his team ready for it.  Tyler Matakevich never blinked at the moment.  He never flinched as he embraced as he embraced the attempted dagger of an onside kick from Belichick.  In that moment, the tables turned on the coaching equilibrium in the AFC East.  McDermott had his team prepared and they made New England pay instantly on the scoreboard and ultimately with the game and their season falling hopelessly away from them.  It was an foolish coaching decision, an unforced error by the Pats, based in fear and desperation.  McDermott and his team caused them to go there.  And he had his team prepared to make the Pats pay for it with their season.  

 

I like being on this side of the equation.  I like winning the close ones.  I like causing the heartbreak for a change.  I'm getting comfortable with it.  Why can't so many of you enjoy this?    Trust the process folks.

Edited November 2, 2020 by cwater10

[Billsfan1972]

2 minutes ago, cwater10 said:

You want a quick two words to chew on with your breakfast while you ponder who out-coached whom yesterday?  Here you go: Tyler Matakevich!  Let that tongue twisting name wash over your palate for a moment or for several minutes if that's what it takes for you to get it.  Put that name, that salad of iambic pentameter like sounds in your mouth over and over again before you take your coaching review to the keyboard again.  

 

For at least twenty years, we have coined the phrase "Billsy" applied it to creative new ways to achieve heartbreak and losses.  Yesterday was again "Billsy", but not by us.  Mediocre coaches, and we've had our share, never saw these moments looming or approaching.  They, and we were devastated time and time again as these little moments turned into the bigger more obvious turning points that turned wins (and winds) to losses into Bills Mafia ulcers and our team's successes into failures.  Think, if you can stomach it over breakfast,  about McKelvin bringing the ball out of and end zone, or a defensive scheme responsible for leaving Dallas receivers uncovered near a sideline with only seconds to play.  These were our way.  These were our trademark needless, unforced errors based in fear and desperation.  Yesterday, our perennial perpetrator of these moments came calling with another of these potential kicks to the crotch.  And McDermott had his team ready for it.  Tyler Matakevich never blinked at the moment.  He never flinched as he embraced as he embraced the attempted dagger of an onside kick from Belichick.  In that moment, the tables turned on the coaching equilibrium in the AFC East.  McDermott had his team prepared and they made New England pay instantly on the scoreboard and ultimately with the game and their season falling hopelessly away from them.  It was an foolish coaching decision, an unforced error by the Pats, based in fear and desperation.  McDermott and his team caused them to go there.  And he had his team prepared to make the Pats pay for it with their season.  

 

I like being on this side of the equation.  I like winning the close ones.  I like causing the heartbreak for a change.  I'm getting comfortable with it.  Why can't so many of you enjoy this?    Trust the process folks.

Wow we recovered an onside kick.  McD Coach of the Year!!!!!!😜

 

We get it the Bills won & I'm happy with a 6-2 record.  Not happy how they've got there.

[cwater10]

5 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

We get it the Bills won & I'm happy with a 6-2 record.  Not happy how they've got there.

I'm not convinced that you do get it.  Being prepared and forcing breaks that turn pivotal moments in your favor is how you get to success.  We should be very happy with that.  It's how most successful teams transform 3-5 or 4-4 mediocrities into 6-2 winners.  I'll leave you with a quote from a Hall of Fame coach and then call it a day.  Go Bills!

 

"Failures are expected by losers, ignored by winners." – Joe Gibbs, former Washington Redskins head coach and three-time Super Bowl champion.

[nucci]

34 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

When playing a team as wounded & weak in every aspect of the game as the Pats were yesterday, and the game decided by a last minute fumpble when the Pats were at the Bill 20, then yes it is the coaching.  

 

The Pats on top of everything were also missing their best receiver Edelman & the DPOY Gilmore.  

I'm looking for specific examples where we were outcoached. Can't just say it without backing it up...plus we won the game which is difficult to tell from comments here

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

3 minutes ago, nucci said:

I'm looking for specific examples where we were outcoached. Can't just say it without backing it up...plus we won the game which is difficult to tell from comments here

 

I didn't like how we went into cover 3 when we took the 7 point lead.  The drive before they completed like 2 passes and we were worried with like 9 minutes left.  Hell, they were still running the ball with 2 minutes left.  

[Billsfan1972]

5 minutes ago, nucci said:

I'm looking for specific examples where we were outcoached. Can't just say it without backing it up...plus we won the game which is difficult to tell from comments here

Anytime the much, much better team struggles to win a game that comes down to the last second, you were outcoached.

 

If the Bills were playing any other team with a 2-4 record yesterday not named the NE Pats (missing their #1 receiver & DPOY), the point spread probably would have been Bills +7.

 

But yes I thank Belichek for the on-side kick, which probably was the saving grace yesterday.

[BillsFan130]

11 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

I didn't like how we went into cover 3 when we took the 7 point lead.  The drive before they completed like 2 passes and we were worried with like 9 minutes left.  Hell, they were still running the ball with 2 minutes left.  

Ya this is what I was going to say. Out schemed  on the defensive side.

 

Not having Tre following Meyers, playing a soft cover 3 against an offence that has no weapons with the wind whipping around. 
 

Bills should have had 8 guys in the box all game, press man coverage, and force cam to beat you consistently with his arm.

 

Edited November 2, 2020 by BillsFan130

[nucci]

12 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

I didn't like how we went into cover 3 when we took the 7 point lead.  The drive before they completed like 2 passes and we were worried with like 9 minutes left.  Hell, they were still running the ball with 2 minutes left.  

ok, thanks...unfortunately our LBs are so bad I think they make calls to try to cover that

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Just now, BillsFan130 said:

Ya this is what I was going to say. Out schemed  on the defensive side.

 

Not having Tre following Meyers, playing a soft cover 3 against an offence that has no weapons with the wind whipping around. 
 

Bills should have had 8 guys in the box all game, press man coverage, and force cam to beat you consistently with his arm.

 

 

I don't mind not following meyers - Don't give away your coverage if you don't have to.  I just wish wallace would play a little bit more aggressively, they're not going to get behind you.  Bail coverage is fine, but you have to know they arent attacking you deep.

Just now, nucci said:

ok, thanks...unfortunately our LBs are so bad I think they make calls to try to cover that

 

Well we'd had a tight 8 man box all game long and then up 21-14 we just assumed they're going to let cam pass.  They didn't.  

[CLTbills]

7 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

Not really.  We won, but not because of implementing an effective game plan.

 

Did you get a chance to watch the game?

 

 

Start to finish. Did you?

[nucci]

11 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Anytime the much, much better team struggles to win a game that comes down to the last second, you were outcoached.

 

If the Bills were playing any other team with a 2-4 record yesterday not named the NE Pats (missing their #1 receiver & DPOY), the point spread probably would have been Bills +7.

 

But yes I thank Belichek for the on-side kick, which probably was the saving grace yesterday.

Again, show examples where Belichick outcoached the Bills staff

[cwater10]

3 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Anytime the much, much better team struggles to win a game that comes down to the last second, you were outcoached.

C'mon man...  When you find yourself in a hole, just stop digging.  By that logic, the 2009 Belichick was out-coached by Dick Jauron (fired at mid season that year) on the Monday Night Football opener when McKelvin (coached by Dick Jauron, I remind you) foolishly decided to bring the ball out of the end zone and fumble.  New England struggled mightily to win that game.  Sometimes overmatched teams just rise up to a moment.  The NFL is a week to week league.  If you try to live by ought to be's, shoulds, and formulas of expectation as an NFL season unfolds, your head is going to explode.  Don't do that man...  It's not just a buzz kill, it's unnecessary and It's painful to watch.  "Why so serious?"

[SinceThe70s]

1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said:

They ran the ball well...  That's the extent of the positives imo.

 

They squeaked by a much inferior team and again did not show their full potential.

 

Have the Bills played a complete game yet (closest was Raiders)?

 

The fact that you don't consider the W to be a positive speaks volumes. Oh wait, if they had lost and thrown for 300 yards it would've been 'more enjoyable', did I get that right?

[T master]

I'm glad the Bills got the win of coarse but it's still just not the same if Brady was still there i believe he would have made the plays it takes to beat the Bills which i hate but the coach almost pulled it off again but the Bills hung tough and got it done !

 

But at the end of the day the W goes in the Bills column so that accounts for something but this week will be a better barometer of where the Bills are in the league they should have beaten the Pats but Russel and the boys will show them what it's like to play a really good team and to this point the Bills haven't been able to beat only 1 really good team .

[BillsFan130]

6 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

I don't mind not following meyers - Don't give away your coverage if you don't have to.  I just wish wallace would play a little bit more aggressively, they're not going to get behind you.  Bail coverage is fine, but you have to know they arent attacking you deep.

 

Well we'd had a tight 8 man box all game long and then up 21-14 we just assumed they're going to let cam pass.  They didn't.  

I see what you’re saying. But I think that kind of plays into the bills defensive struggles this year, as I think they try to get too “cute” sometimes by trying to disguise their coverages.

 

It definitely burned them multiple times as T Johnson was one on one with Meyers in the most critical 3rd down of the game and got burned.

[Billsfan1972]

The funny thing is that I'm probably a bigger Bills fan then most here (yes hyperbole).  I've suffered through mostly downs since '72.  

 

The point is I do not see the Bills through rose coloured glasses & yesterday they were not that impressive.  

 

Impressive is Indy beating an inferior team like the Lions yesterday.  Seattle finally pounding a good team 49'ers, as opposed to squeaking by (as they had done the first 5 wins).  

 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

2 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

I see what you’re saying. But I think that kind of plays into the bills defensive struggles this year, as I think they try to get too “cute” sometimes by trying to disguise their coverages.

 

It definitely burned them multiple times as T Johnson was one on one with Meyers in the most critical 3rd down of the game and got burned.

 

I would've kept blitzing.  Cam was spiking and overthrowing under pressure all game.  They countered this a bit towards the end with toss plays to get to the perimeter, as our LBs were down by the LOS and too tight to stop those plays.  

Just now, Billsfan1972 said:

The funny thing is that I'm probably a bigger Bills fan then most here (yes hyperbole).  I've suffered through mostly downs since '72.  

 

The point is I do not see the Bills through rose coloured glasses & yesterday they were not that impressive.  

 

Impressive is Indy beating an inferior team like the Lions yesterday.  Seattle finally pounding a good team 49'ers, as opposed to squeaking by (as they had done the first 5 wins).  

 

 

I've played enough football to know that some days you have it, and some days you don't.  Winning when you don't is tough.  

[Mrbojanglezs]

16 hours ago, flmike said:

Things to remember:

 

The Bills are still rebuilding. The OL is finally "stabilized" but not yet dominating. The DL took an opt-out and retirement hit and guys haven't stepped up. The LB corps is mostly playing very banged up with no good depth (part of rebuilding). Josh started his career in Year -1 due to lack of experience and training. He is really a 2nd year player this year, I think. We need some more DBs, that's for sure. So, we are not the Chiefs at this point. Enjoy winning. I know it has been a while. 

We are still rebuilding because Beane whiffed on a few picks and FA signings...I like Beane but he needs to do better. We should be taking advantage of Josh Allen's rookie deal, time is running out before a big chunk of cap % is going to be taken up by the QB.

[McBean]

Reality will sit in on McClappy whenever the Bills get blown out the next 2 weeks.

 

The guy has feasted on crap teams his entire career and exposed when he faced anybody worth a crap.

 

This team isn’t going anywhere LONG TERM until you fix the top.

[Billsfan1972]

5 minutes ago, McBean said:

Reality will sit in on McClappy whenever the Bills get blown out the next 2 weeks.

 

The guy has feasted on crap teams his entire career and exposed when he faced anybody worth a crap.

 

This team isn’t going anywhere LONG TERM until you fix the top.

The difference is that as a Bills fan, I have the Bills winning both games and the Offense putting up huge #'s (forecast is high 60's for Sunday).  

 

I hope against hope that McD coaches to score 40 & I can come here & applaud him.

 

However I too will not be surprised if he coaches thinking 20 points will be enough.

12 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

I would've kept blitzing.  Cam was spiking and overthrowing under pressure all game.  They countered this a bit towards the end with toss plays to get to the perimeter, as our LBs were down by the LOS and too tight to stop those plays.  

 

I've played enough football to know that some days you have it, and some days you don't.  Winning when you don't is tough.  

And another false excuse....  We hear this as an excuse too often.

[DrDawkinstein]

18 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

The funny thing is that I'm probably a bigger Bills fan then most here (yes hyperbole).  I've suffered through mostly downs since '72.  

 

The point is I do not see the Bills through rose coloured glasses & yesterday they were not that impressive.  

 

Impressive is Indy beating an inferior team like the Lions yesterday.  Seattle finally pounding a good team 49'ers, as opposed to squeaking by (as they had done the first 5 wins).  

 

 

How many extra points do they get spotted in the playoffs for "Style wins"?

 

Answer: ZERO, none of that matters.

 

A win is a win.

 

For someone who claims to be around as long as you have, you should know that by now.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Just now, Billsfan1972 said:

The difference is that as a Bills fan, I have the Bills winning both games and the Offense putting up huge #'s (forecast is high 60's for Sunday).  

 

I hope against hope that McD coaches to score 40 & I can come here & applaud him.

 

However I too will not be surprised if he coaches thinking 20 points will be enough.

And another false excuse....  We hear this as an excuse too often.

 

Tennessee just lost to cincy... GB to Minnesota.  It's almost like its hard to go 16-0.  And its almost like you can't blow out every opponent.  

[formerlyofCtown]

11 hours ago, CLTbills said:

Honestly, today, not Sean McDermott.

Honestly take a look at the two Rosters and tell me that.  Give credit where credit is due.  Belichik squeezes a stone a blood comes out.  Part of coaching is what you get out of your players.

 

I'm not saying McDermott did a bad job, Belichik is just the GOAT.

[TH3]

15 minutes ago, McBean said:

Reality will sit in on McClappy whenever the Bills get blown out the next 2 weeks.

 

The guy has feasted on crap teams his entire career and exposed when he faced anybody worth a crap.

 

This team isn’t going anywhere LONG TERM until you fix the top.

Sounds like you should find another team to follow....really...why would you spend time following the Bills for the next 5 years then?

 

Mcbeane not going anywhere

[Billsfan1972]

22 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

Tennessee just lost to cincy... GB to Minnesota.  It's almost like its hard to go 16-0.  And its almost like you can't blow out every opponent.  

Let's blow out one vastly inferior opponent and then we can talk.

 

How about a convincing victory over a good team (i.e. Tenn over us).....  

 

I think the Bills are a good team.  Maybe I'm wrong about that & 10-6 and squeaking out victories over NE & keeping it close against good teams is the most I should expect? 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

6 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Let's blow out one vastly inferior opponent and then we can talk.

 

How about a convincing victory over a good team (i.e. Tenn over us).....  

 

I think the Bills are a good team.  Maybe I'm wrong about that & 10-6 and squeaking out victories over NE & keeping it close against good teams is the most I should expect? 

 

I think the run game is important.  The jets played similar coverages against buffalo and we weren't able to get yards on the ground.  Looking at the last 3 scores of that game.  Moss on 1st and 10, no gain.  Singletary gets 1 yard on 2nd and 5.  Allen got stuffed on 3rd and 2.  Thats 3 situations where a positive play on the ground could've lead to more points.