Inigo Montoya Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 I'm excited to see Feliciano back and hope he will be the much needed spark to get the running game rolling again. There are several articles in the local media right now about him getting back to playing and there was a quote from Feliciano that stood out to me that I think paints the Bills' organization in a very good light. "I think it's a credit to the coaches and training staff. They didn't rush me back. I was trying to get activated weeks before they did activate me," Feliciano said. "Thankfully they didn't listen to me and kept me safe." These are the things that induce a free agent to sign with a team. It's a small League and the word gets out. When McDermott preaches a family atmosphere in Buffalo and to come to Buffalo to become the best version of yourself, this statement from Feliciano shows that it's not all just coach speak, but something that the organization really believes in. I read that Feliciano was really lobbying to get back on the field for the Raiders game but the Bills wouldn't let him. Contrast this situation with the train wreck that is the Jets. Look at how they handled the Kelechi Osemele shoulder injury situation last year. Then how the organization handled the Bell, Darnold, and Becton injuries this year. Night and day difference from how the Bills took care of Feliciano. It would be easy to make the argument that the Bills had depth on the O-Line and that gave them the luxury of letting Feliciano come along slowly, but I don't believe that was the reason at all. I think the Bills were just looking out for Feliciano because they have good people running this program and they simply were not going to put Feliciano back out there until he was ready. I'm glad that Feliciano recognizes that, and so will everyone else in the locker room. Just one more indication that we have the right people steering the ship in Buffalo. 14 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UConn James Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Did the same with Motor last year and seems to be the situation with Milano now, easing him back in / pitch-counted. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Which is what makes the Spain mystery so damn confusing. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Staff knows darn well that with over half a season still to be played. they need their guys truly healthy and motivated, that and they do seem to be decent people who care about each other. Go Bills!!! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted October 30, 2020 Author Share Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Which is what makes the Spain mystery so damn confusing. Spain had good words for the organization when he left. I think the Bills let him go so he could find a place to be a starter. I'm sure Beane looked for a trade partner but didn't have any luck so they let him go. It was probably what Spain requested. (My guess) I think I saw that the Bengals are going to sign him. He is a starting quality O-lineman in this League, maybe just not good enough to get on the field with our O-Line depth. Edited October 30, 2020 by Inigo Montoya 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 43 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said: I'm excited to see Feliciano back and hope he will be the much needed spark to get the running game rolling again. There are several articles in the local media right now about him getting back to playing and there was a quote from Feliciano that stood out to me that I think paints the Bills' organization in a very good light. "I think it's a credit to the coaches and training staff. They didn't rush me back. I was trying to get activated weeks before they did activate me," Feliciano said. "Thankfully they didn't listen to me and kept me safe." These are the things that induce a free agent to sign with a team. It's a small League and the word gets out. When McDermott preaches a family atmosphere in Buffalo and to come to Buffalo to become the best version of yourself, this statement from Feliciano shows that it's not all just coach speak, but something that the organization really believes in. I read that Feliciano was really lobbying to get back on the field for the Raiders game but the Bills wouldn't let him. Contrast this situation with the train wreck that is the Jets. Look at how they handled the Kelechi Osemele shoulder injury situation last year. Then how the organization handled the Bell, Darnold, and Becton injuries this year. Night and day difference from how the Bills took care of Feliciano. It would be easy to make the argument that the Bills had depth on the O-Line and that gave them the luxury of letting Feliciano come along slowly, but I don't believe that was the reason at all. I think the Bills were just looking out for Feliciano because they have good people running this program and they simply were not going to put Feliciano back out there until he was ready. I'm glad that Feliciano recognizes that, and so will everyone else in the locker room. Just one more indication that we have the right people steering the ship in Buffalo. According to at least one guy players don't care about these things. They would rather play for big market clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 The Bills are doing this consistently. They released Shady so he could sign with KC and get a ring, instead of trading him for an insulting 7th rounder. They recognized that Jordan Phillips and Shaq Lawson had earned a raise and could get more money somewhere else, so they applauded them on their way out. There are other former Bills playing and starting around the league, who couldn't earn a spot on this team, and I never hear of any of them having anything bad to say about this organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Utah John said: The Bills are doing this consistently. They released Shady so he could sign with KC and get a ring, instead of trading him for an insulting 7th rounder. They recognized that Jordan Phillips and Shaq Lawson had earned a raise and could get more money somewhere else, so they applauded them on their way out. There are other former Bills playing and starting around the league, who couldn't earn a spot on this team, and I never hear of any of them having anything bad to say about this organization. Lol if they could have traded Shady they would have... No one would pay draft picks for an over the hill RB. They didn't recognize anything... They know they cannot afford guys that would get overpaid. Please don't robinhood a business... They are not doing things for charity, they do it b.c that is the only choice they have. Edited October 30, 2020 by TBBills 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted October 30, 2020 Author Share Posted October 30, 2020 31 minutes ago, TBBills said: Lol if they could have traded Shady they would have... No one would pay draft picks for an over the hill RB. They didn't recognize anything... They know they cannot afford guys that would get overpaid. Please don't robinhood a business... They are not doing things for charity, they do it b.c that is the only choice they have. I'd respectfully disagree TBBills. The entire Bills locker room knows exactly what happened with Spain and Jordan Phillips, and Shaq. If the Bills had screwed any of them over it would damage the family vibe that Beane and McDermott are trying to build at OBD. Being upfront and honest with your employees isn't charity, it's how a successful organization treats its people. I suspect that in McDermott and Beane's minds, that culture of the coaches, management, and the players all being on the same team is worth more to them than an extra 7th round draft pick. Ask Adrian Peterson about how he was treated by the Redskins when they cut him on September 4th, just six days before the season opener. No warning, no heads up, nothing. That kind of personnel move tells the other guys in the locker room what kind of organization they play for. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) The Bills bought Marcel Dareus a brand new stationary bike Edited October 30, 2020 by HOUSE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted October 30, 2020 Author Share Posted October 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, HOUSE said: The even Bills bought Marcel Dareus a brand new stationary bike And a captain's hat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) Richy Incognito, Zay Jones & Nate Petermen all got a free trip to Las Vegas Edited October 30, 2020 by HOUSE 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 49 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said: I'd respectfully disagree TBBills. The entire Bills locker room knows exactly what happened with Spain and Jordan Phillips, and Shaq. If the Bills had screwed any of them over it would damage the family vibe that Beane and McDermott are trying to build at OBD. Being upfront and honest with your employees isn't charity, it's how a successful organization treats its people. I suspect that in McDermott and Beane's minds, that culture of the coaches, management, and the players all being on the same team is worth more to them than an extra 7th round draft pick. Ask Adrian Peterson about how he was treated by the Redskins when they cut him on September 4th, just six days before the season opener. No warning, no heads up, nothing. That kind of personnel move tells the other guys in the locker room what kind of organization they play for. It's a business, these guys understand that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 5 hours ago, UConn James said: Did the same with Motor last year and seems to be the situation with Milano now, easing him back in / pitch-counted. Why are they still pitch counting Singletary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 1 hour ago, TBBills said: It's a business, these guys understand that. I agree - but some in the business are MUCH more ruthless than others. The OP is rightly trying to point out that the Bills are not in the ruthless category. Are the Bills looking out for themselves first?? Well dammit they better. Are they looking out for the players best interests as best as possible? On the face of it, it seems so. Thats the point.....not that the Bills are some bleeding heart liberal team but they at least give you the pretense they care. Will that make the line of FA's longer? Shorter? Who knows whats in a FA's head - they all have different motivating factors. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JY422 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Well said. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey D Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 2 hours ago, TBBills said: It's a business, these guys understand that. That's an overly simplistic analysis. Of course it is a business. But there are vast differences in how employers treat their employees in business. That's why there are great places to work lists, and places to avoid. Some places don't give a rat's ass about employees, and it shows. Others do, and that shows too. They add humanity to the business, and not just the bottom line matters. It's a longer term perspective. OP is simply saying that the Bills seems to fall in the latter category. And I agree. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, Casey D said: That's an overly simplistic analysis. Of course it is a business. But there are vast differences in how employers treat their employees in business. That's why there are great places to work lists, and places to avoid. Some places don't give a rat's ass about employees, and it shows. Others do, and that shows too. They add humanity to the business, and not just the bottom line matters. It's a longer term perspective. OP is simply saying that the Bills seems to fall in the latter category. And I agree. Thats all warm and touching. But its all about winning. Whatever that culture may be. If the Bills can win more with being more "humane" to their players thats great. But lets see how they perform top to bottom over this next 9 games stretch. We are supposed to have a real good team. And we play a real difficult schedule. Mediocre coaching won't get it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fergie's ire Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 3 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said: I'd respectfully disagree TBBills. The entire Bills locker room knows exactly what happened with Spain and Jordan Phillips, and Shaq. If the Bills had screwed any of them over it would damage the family vibe that Beane and McDermott are trying to build at OBD. Being upfront and honest with your employees isn't charity, it's how a successful organization treats its people. I suspect that in McDermott and Beane's minds, that culture of the coaches, management, and the players all being on the same team is worth more to them than an extra 7th round draft pick. Ask Adrian Peterson about how he was treated by the Redskins when they cut him on September 4th, just six days before the season opener. No warning, no heads up, nothing. That kind of personnel move tells the other guys in the locker room what kind of organization they play for. The locker room...but seemingly nobody else. That's why I would call this team player respectful, rather than player friendly. To me, someone like Rex Ryan is player friendly and just seems to be happy to put up with anything. This organization actually seems to have little patience for someone who doesn't fit...whether it be because of attitude, work ethic, being in shape, or even just scheme. We saw that early with players like Sammy Watkins and Dareus, and recently with Spain. They WILL cut guys loose if they don't think they are helping the team. However, what they won't do is talk about that player to the media or other teams. We can guess from what we saw on the field that Spain was not in shape and was playing poorly...but we don't hear the team say that (unlike Poe in Dallas). Adam Gase is always talking crap about his players either openly or in very loud leaks to the media. There's none of that here. I think players like the respect...but also the demand for accountability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 2 hours ago, HOUSE said: ...Nate Petermen all got a free trip to Las Vegas Will this football: A. Be intercepted? B. Be tucked, and the QB will run? C. Fall incomplete? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 I do think the Bills are gaining a good rep as a team to go to but what trash franchise won’t do this? These teams are all about PR to agents. The second a player they are treated poorly, that team could potentially lose FAs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninSarasota Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 9 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said: I'm excited to see Feliciano back and hope he will be the much needed spark to get the running game rolling again. There are several articles in the local media right now about him getting back to playing and there was a quote from Feliciano that stood out to me that I think paints the Bills' organization in a very good light. "I think it's a credit to the coaches and training staff. They didn't rush me back. I was trying to get activated weeks before they did activate me," Feliciano said. "Thankfully they didn't listen to me and kept me safe." These are the things that induce a free agent to sign with a team. It's a small League and the word gets out. When McDermott preaches a family atmosphere in Buffalo and to come to Buffalo to become the best version of yourself, this statement from Feliciano shows that it's not all just coach speak, but something that the organization really believes in. I read that Feliciano was really lobbying to get back on the field for the Raiders game but the Bills wouldn't let him. Contrast this situation with the train wreck that is the Jets. Look at how they handled the Kelechi Osemele shoulder injury situation last year. Then how the organization handled the Bell, Darnold, and Becton injuries this year. Night and day difference from how the Bills took care of Feliciano. It would be easy to make the argument that the Bills had depth on the O-Line and that gave them the luxury of letting Feliciano come along slowly, but I don't believe that was the reason at all. I think the Bills were just looking out for Feliciano because they have good people running this program and they simply were not going to put Feliciano back out there until he was ready. I'm glad that Feliciano recognizes that, and so will everyone else in the locker room. Just one more indication that we have the right people steering the ship in Buffalo. Good post OP ..... but ....Come to Buffalo to “become the best version of yourself” - the most feel good overused cliche of 2020, since adopted by McClappy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 8 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said: According to at least one guy players don't care about these things. They would rather play for big market clubs. Being that every player gets dinged up, it certainly does not hurt a teams reputation that they don’t rush guys back from injury before they have properly healed up. I suspect it does impact a potential future players decision to some degree. Yes money is the main driver, but being treated as more than a commodity has got to go into the thinking, being most of these guys have wives and children that they are providing for long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston's #1 Bills Fan Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 4 hours ago, HOUSE said: Richy Incognito, Zay Jones & Nate Petermen all got a free trip to Las Vegas You bringing this up made me think: If the Bills are the "Panthers North", maybe the Raiders are the "Bills West"!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 8 hours ago, Warcodered said: Which is what makes the Spain mystery so damn confusing. Did you catch the hint at that in the Feliciano interview? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Did you catch the hint at that in the Feliciano interview? no. do tell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 18 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said: no. do tell I don’t have facility to pull it out but they were asking him about staying connected with the team and he talked about being with the coaches trying to help out any way he could and then he said something about “staying away from the guys” at times because “with my personality” he’s have just made the situation worse. Nothing earthshaking but a bit of confirmation that there was some kind of situation, my inference it involved Spain And of course Jon’s background is a career backup until last year and a guy willing to play “wherever” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 2 hours ago, BuffaninSarasota said: Good post OP ..... but ....Come to Buffalo to “become the best version of yourself” - the most feel good overused cliche of 2020, since adopted by McClappy... More overused is McClappy and idiotic IMO is that nickname. Something I would expect from opposing fans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 25 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I don’t have facility to pull it out but they were asking him about staying connected with the team and he talked about being with the coaches trying to help out any way he could and then he said something about “staying away from the guys” at times because “with my personality” he’s have just made the situation worse. Nothing earthshaking but a bit of confirmation that there was some kind of situation, my inference it involved Spain And of course Jon’s background is a career backup until last year and a guy willing to play “wherever” nice catch. has to have been drama around Spain, thats the only way it makes sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 The Bills developing a reputation as a high quality organization is good. It will only open up the Bills appeal as a destination for free agents and for existing players to want to stay. Buffalo will likely never be a glamorous market but if the organization presents its self as a winning place that handles its self well players will come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I don’t have facility to pull it out but they were asking him about staying connected with the team and he talked about being with the coaches trying to help out any way he could and then he said something about “staying away from the guys” at times because “with my personality” he’s have just made the situation worse. Nothing earthshaking but a bit of confirmation that there was some kind of situation, my inference it involved Spain And of course Jon’s background is a career backup until last year and a guy willing to play “wherever” 1 hour ago, BillsShredder83 said: nice catch. has to have been drama around Spain, thats the only way it makes sense That's a big leap of logic, if you ask me. There's nothing to indicate it has anything at all to do with Spain. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 1 hour ago, MJS said: That's a big leap of logic, if you ask me. There's nothing to indicate it has anything at all to do with Spain. its a leap if you take the feliciano comment by itself.... but the fact that cutting spain makes zero sense when hes good depth, and the comments on his twitter he put up and then took down, AND THEN add this as a possibility, theres enough context clues to figure out something went off the rails... even if its just he was upset at being benched and wanted out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 9 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said: I'd respectfully disagree TBBills. The entire Bills locker room knows exactly what happened with Spain and Jordan Phillips, and Shaq. If the Bills had screwed any of them over it would damage the family vibe that Beane and McDermott are trying to build at OBD. Being upfront and honest with your employees isn't charity, it's how a successful organization treats its people. I suspect that in McDermott and Beane's minds, that culture of the coaches, management, and the players all being on the same team is worth more to them than an extra 7th round draft pick. Ask Adrian Peterson about how he was treated by the Redskins when they cut him on September 4th, just six days before the season opener. No warning, no heads up, nothing. That kind of personnel move tells the other guys in the locker room what kind of organization they play for. Agreed BUT if in fact they could have gotten something for Shady they should have, they can still be honest and upfront but if they just to McCoy said go, we dont need a 7th it was, imo , a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 5 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I do think the Bills are gaining a good rep as a team to go to but what trash franchise won’t do this? These teams are all about PR to agents. The second a player they are treated poorly, that team could potentially lose FAs. Jets and Washington immediately come to mind😆 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 13 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said: According to at least one guy players don't care about these things. They would rather play for big market clubs. Whom are you referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 1 minute ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Agreed BUT if in fact they could have gotten something for Shady they should have, they can still be honest and upfront but if they just to McCoy said go, we dont need a 7th it was, imo , a mistake. Theres balance there. Good PR might be worth a 7th rder if youre a franchise trying to send out the message that things are being run differently and the Russ Brandon types are no longer running the show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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