Barnwell changes his tune. 🎺

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

 

https://t.co/UtjQAV4vHl?amp=1
 

1. ESPN analyst puts Bills playoff chances at over 80 percent

The Bills are off to a 3-0 start and while visions of playoffs already dance in the heads of Buffalo fans, ESPN's Bill Barnwell took a deeper look at each of the league's seven remaining undefeated to see which ones could sustain their hot starts to the 2020 campaign.
 

After taking a step forward in 2019 and improving his decision-making, he has taken an enormous stride this season. In 2018, Allen was a hindrance to the Bills' chances of winning. In 2019, he was good enough to stay out of the way. In 2020, he is driving Buffalo's success. This team would not be 3-0 without Allen playing as well as he has.

 

 

[Haslett_Stomp]

I read that article last night, good read.

[TroutDog]

I love the positive picture in the media...just need to keep Josh grounded mentally...for now. 

Edited October 2, 2020 by TroutDog

[technobot]

Let Josh cook!

[NoHuddleKelly12]

11 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

 

 

https://t.co/UtjQAV4vHl?amp=1
 

1. ESPN analyst puts Bills playoff chances at over 80 percent

The Bills are off to a 3-0 start and while visions of playoffs already dance in the heads of Buffalo fans, ESPN's Bill Barnwell took a deeper look at each of the league's seven remaining undefeated to see which ones could sustain their hot starts to the 2020 campaign.
 

After taking a step forward in 2019 and improving his decision-making, he has taken an enormous stride this season. In 2018, Allen was a hindrance to the Bills' chances of winning. In 2019, he was good enough to stay out of the way. In 2020, he is driving Buffalo's success. This team would not be 3-0 without Allen playing as well as he has.

 

 

I noted this elsewhere yesterday, but I just feel like the bolded concerning what he thinks Allen did or didn't mean to the team in 2018, 2019 are solidly lazy and overly simplistic takes from someone who should know better. For those of us actually watching the games, we know Allen did more to help us win 5 out of the 6 wins in 2018 than "he was a hindrance," and kept us close in a few others (Clay's last second drop against Miami which if caught would've won the game, comes to mind), to say nothing of 2019 where he didn't just "stay out of the way," rather, was instrumental to the Bills going back to the playoffs at 10-6, including wins in Dallas and Pittsburgh...or am I the one on crazy pills? 

[SCBills]

This team has been built for year-in/year-out sustainable success.   I absolutely love that Beane took this approach.   Cap space is managed well and we are very solid in player evaluation/drafting.
 

That all being said, and the great start to the year.... THE biggest thing we’ve gotten out of 2020 is that we have a potentially elite franchise QB.  
 

No matter what happens this year... it just feels amazing to finally have that piece of the puzzle solved. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

7 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

I noted this elsewhere yesterday, but I just feel like the bolded concerning what he thinks Allen did or didn't mean to the team in 2018, 2019 are solidly lazy and overly simplistic takes from someone who should know better. For those of us actually watching the games, we know Allen did more to help us win 5 out of the 6 wins in 2018 than "he was a hindrance," and kept us close in a few others (Clay's last second drop against Miami which if caught would've won the game, comes to mind), to say nothing of 2019 where he didn't just "stay out of the way," rather, was instrumental to the Bills going back to the playoffs at 10-6, including wins in Dallas and Pittsburgh...or am I the one on crazy pills? 

 

those were his tales then. 
 

Not now.  So. Onwards and upwards!!!

 

As to emotions.  Who hasn’t seen Brady get pissed?

 

Edited October 2, 2020 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce

[C.Biscuit97]

Wait a second.  When Allen is playing lights out, people think he is a better player than when he was a 58% passer?  No way!

 

allen and the offense was the weak point of the team last year.  This year, he’s the strength.  I don’t know why some of you are so sensitive about this. He is playing great, way better than he has ever shown on Any level of football.  Salute him but some of you act like it was some nation wide conspiracy to trash him.

 

its 3 games but Allen has improved more than any qb I can ever remember.  Its absolutely freaky and he deserves all the credit in the world.  

20 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

I noted this elsewhere yesterday, but I just feel like the bolded concerning what he thinks Allen did or didn't mean to the team in 2018, 2019 are solidly lazy and overly simplistic takes from someone who should know better. For those of us actually watching the games, we know Allen did more to help us win 5 out of the 6 wins in 2018 than "he was a hindrance," and kept us close in a few others (Clay's last second drop against Miami which if caught would've won the game, comes to mind), to say nothing of 2019 where he didn't just "stay out of the way," rather, was instrumental to the Bills going back to the playoffs at 10-6, including wins in Dallas and Pittsburgh...or am I the one on crazy pills? 

He was definitely a strength in Dallas but for Pittsburgh, he wasn’t that good and Duck/ our defense is the reason we won that game.

 

this year is so much different than anything he has shown in the past.  He was part of the ride in the past and now he is the driver. 

[Bangarang]

2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Wait a second.  When Allen is playing lights out, people think he is a better player than when he was a 58% passer?  No way!

 

allen and the offense was the weak point of the team last year.  This year, he’s the strength.  I don’t know why some of you are so sensitive about this. He is playing great, way better than he has ever shown on Any level of football.  Salute him but some of you act like it was some nation wide conspiracy to trash him.

 

its 3 games but Allen has improved more than any qb I can ever remember.  Its absolutely freaky and he deserves all the credit in the world.  

People here have spent years bashing and discrediting the media for criticizing Allen and unsurprisingly their credibility has been restored now that they are praising him.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

23 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Wait a second.  When Allen is playing lights out, people think he is a better player than when he was a 58% passer?  No way!

 

allen and the offense was the weak point of the team last year.  This year, he’s the strength.  I don’t know why some of you are so sensitive about this. He is playing great, way better than he has ever shown on Any level of football.  Salute him but some of you act like it was some nation wide conspiracy to trash him.

 

its 3 games but Allen has improved more than any qb I can ever remember.  Its absolutely freaky and he deserves all the credit in the world.  

it’s  called a SUPPORTING cast. 
 

Diggs was the final piece of the puzzle.  
 

TEAM. 

 

Speaking of which 

 

when was the last time you heard all the WR’s say give / get the other guy the ball?

 

UNITY 

 

 

[Augie]

10 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

it’s  called a SUPPORTING cast. 
 

Diggs was the final piece of the puzzle.  
 

TEAM. 

 

Speaking of which 

 

when was the last time you heard all the WR’s say give / get the other guy the ball?

 

UNITY 

 

 

 

The transformation of the skill players on this offense is nothing short of incredible. Look at what we had at WR and TE two years ago, and what we have today.  Hats off to Beane and the staff! Their “witchery” has made an enormous difference! 

[Teddy KGB]

Too late Barnwell.      Keep sleeping with that Tyrod poster above your bed.   

[Alaska Darin]

19 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

it’s  called a SUPPORTING cast. 
 

Diggs was the final piece of the puzzle.  
 

TEAM. 

 

Speaking of which 

 

when was the last time you heard all the WR’s say give / get the other guy the ball?

 

UNITY 

 

 

It's also consistency of coaching/scheme.  I know I keep harping on it but last season we literally started the year with NINE new offensive starters.  That's just a ridiculously hard thing to do. 

 

Having little turnover and the a good, consistent OC has to be part of the recipe for continued success.  I don't know what Daboll's coaching desires are but the BILLS should do everything in their power to keep him around, including backing up a truck like the Colts did with Manning/Moore.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Coaching stability. 
 

we’ve needed that for sooooooo long 

3 minutes ago, Alaska Darin said:

It's also consistency of coaching/scheme. 

 

[Alaska Darin]

1 minute ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

Coaching stability. 
 

we’ve needed that for sooooooo long 

 

It matters when the coaches are good.  A couple of things have been revealed over this offseason about Daboll.  They're little things but they say a lot about him. 

 

1.  His communications with the players remotely is consistent and often not at all about football.

2.  New guys keep saying really nice things about him. Diggs saying "Daboll makes it a lot of fun" is telling. 

[PromoTheRobot]

Takes like this are mildly insulting to me and a little disingenuous. When people say "wow, Allen got really good this year" What they are really saying is "we didn't pay attention to Allen last year." Because if they did they'd know they're were signs of this Josh Allen brewing in 2019.

[Bobby Hooks]

1 hour ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

I noted this elsewhere yesterday, but I just feel like the bolded concerning what he thinks Allen did or didn't mean to the team in 2018, 2019 are solidly lazy and overly simplistic takes from someone who should know better. For those of us actually watching the games, we know Allen did more to help us win 5 out of the 6 wins in 2018 than "he was a hindrance," and kept us close in a few others (Clay's last second drop against Miami which if caught would've won the game, comes to mind), to say nothing of 2019 where he didn't just "stay out of the way," rather, was instrumental to the Bills going back to the playoffs at 10-6, including wins in Dallas and Pittsburgh...or am I the one on crazy pills? 

Agreed. Too little to late for a lot of these guys. Barnwell especially. He’s clearly spin doctoring the situation to look like he was right to doubt him far longer than many other pundits. 

 

He refused to pick up what most fans saw clear as day. A young inexperienced guy learning very quickly how to be a franchise qb. 

 

It took until he had no other option but to acknowledge what was so painfully clear to anyone actually paying attention. 

Edited October 2, 2020 by Bobby Hooks

[Billsfan1972]

Enough already....

 

[MJS]

1 hour ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

I noted this elsewhere yesterday, but I just feel like the bolded concerning what he thinks Allen did or didn't mean to the team in 2018, 2019 are solidly lazy and overly simplistic takes from someone who should know better. For those of us actually watching the games, we know Allen did more to help us win 5 out of the 6 wins in 2018 than "he was a hindrance," and kept us close in a few others (Clay's last second drop against Miami which if caught would've won the game, comes to mind), to say nothing of 2019 where he didn't just "stay out of the way," rather, was instrumental to the Bills going back to the playoffs at 10-6, including wins in Dallas and Pittsburgh...or am I the one on crazy pills? 

Yeah, Allen was basically all we had on offense in 2018. He had a horrible oline and our best receiver was Robert Foster, now a practice squad player for another team.

[atlbillsfan1975]

It’s  just another step in the process. Look at Allen’s trajectory since leaving high school. It’s always been moving up. Always. Went to a JUCO then Wyoming. Even his first year in the league, Allen was better after having to sit for a few games mid season. Josh’s second season was better than his first. This isn’t some light switch that has been flipped, rather the dimmer his finally been turned up enough for national press to see what we knew, Josh is a franchise QB. Allen is showing he can be a top 5 QB and Super Bowl winning caliber QB. 

Edited October 3, 2020 by atlbillsfan1975

[QCity]

1 hour ago, Bangarang said:

People here have spent years bashing and discrediting the media for criticizing Allen and unsurprisingly their credibility has been restored now that they are praising him.

 

This has always been the case around here. Praise for the team will always be regarded higher than anything else.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

11 minutes ago, MJS said:

Yeah, Allen was basically all we had on offense in 2018. He had a horrible oline and our best receiver was Robert Foster, now a practice squad player for another team.

now now. We had Brown and Beasley last season. 
 

and Bob Foster 
 

[{::'KayCeeS::}]

The narrative is shifting towards, "This is unprecedented", which is a sly way of saying "No One Saw This Coming!" in order to cover themselves.  Maybe it is unprecedented, but no one saw it coming?  We all beg to differ...

[WideNine]

54 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

Coaching stability. 
 

we’ve needed that for sooooooo long 

 

 

That is certainly part of the equation, but there are outliers.

 

A stable diet of Gase is close to being proven to be bad for QB development. Just saying.

 

Have to have the right coaching support and retain them.

 

 

[johnnywo]

JA17 is a peacock....they had to let him fly!

[MJS]

45 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

now now. We had Brown and Beasley last season. 
 

and Bob Foster 
 

2018

[Bobby Hooks]

28 minutes ago, {::'KayCeeS::} said:

The narrative is shifting towards, "This is unprecedented", which is a sly way of saying "No One Saw This Coming!" in order to cover themselves.  Maybe it is unprecedented, but no one saw it coming?  We all beg to differ...

Exactly. A lot of these late comers want to point to this and that for why they didnt see it until now. Basically saying it wasn’t there until now. 

 

Its simple, their bias was blinding them to what was sitting right in front of their noses. I could see if it was just fans, obviously we’re more likely to boost our guy. But many pundits that were actually paying attention started singing Allen’s praises last season. 

 

So, really they have zero excuses. Just own it. You were wrong. There’s no harm in that. 

 

I said before that draft that if we wasted our pick on Allen I was done. Obviously it was just big talk. But after that I gave Beane the benefit of the doubt. Very early on I had changed my tune dramatically. For any open minded people watching the games it was evident that the growth from game to game was staggering. 

 

You saw flashes of brilliance marred by the occasional gaffe. Soon the mistakes started happening less and the good stuff was happening more often. He was growing and you could see where he was headed. 

 

I feel like you had to try really hard not to see it, which many, many people were doing. 

 

 

[GoBills808]

24 minutes ago, johnnywo said:

JA17 is a peacock....they had to let him fly!

underrated film

[dickleyjones]

2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Wait a second.  When Allen is playing lights out, people think he is a better player than when he was a 58% passer?  No way!

 

allen and the offense was the weak point of the team last year.  This year, he’s the strength.  I don’t know why some of you are so sensitive about this. He is playing great, way better than he has ever shown on Any level of football.  Salute him but some of you act like it was some nation wide conspiracy to trash him.

 

 

i must disagree, well, mostly.

 

my beef with the pundits and stats lovers concerning allen has been that they use statistics improperly and are in complete denial about that fact. there were so many confounding variables where allen is concerned. yes, he improved more than many qbs have. but he had so much reason that he might improve, namely, he never played anywhere near an nfl level when many others had. wyoming isn't much prep for the nfl whereas other schools are. so in a sense, allen has been a few years behind comparable qbs and instead of learning in college he had to learn on the job in the NFL. now things are slowing down for him and he can play. it is not all that shocking when you look at it in context.

 

i don't think it was a conspiracy regarding allen. i just think the pundits used their supposed math/analysis skills to interpret data and they did it wrong (and they continue to do it wrong). the analytics crowd need some hard lessons in statistical analysis and allen has provided that in droves. in their defense, there is a tonne of poor statistics going around in this world in more important sectors than sports.

[JimmyNoodles]

3 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

I noted this elsewhere yesterday, but I just feel like the bolded concerning what he thinks Allen did or didn't mean to the team in 2018, 2019 are solidly lazy and overly simplistic takes from someone who should know better. For those of us actually watching the games, we know Allen did more to help us win 5 out of the 6 wins in 2018 than "he was a hindrance," and kept us close in a few others (Clay's last second drop against Miami which if caught would've won the game, comes to mind), to say nothing of 2019 where he didn't just "stay out of the way," rather, was instrumental to the Bills going back to the playoffs at 10-6, including wins in Dallas and Pittsburgh...or am I the one on crazy pills? 

Agree 100%  From the moment Allen saw the field it was obvious he was a physical talent and he showed flashes of dominance, both passing and running.  This year, the game has slowed down for him and the Bills are reaping the rewards.  Good for Josh.  He's earned it.  

[hondo in seattle]

3 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

I noted this elsewhere yesterday, but I just feel like the bolded concerning what he thinks Allen did or didn't mean to the team in 2018, 2019 are solidly lazy and overly simplistic takes from someone who should know better. For those of us actually watching the games, we know Allen did more to help us win 5 out of the 6 wins in 2018 than "he was a hindrance," and kept us close in a few others (Clay's last second drop against Miami which if caught would've won the game, comes to mind), to say nothing of 2019 where he didn't just "stay out of the way," rather, was instrumental to the Bills going back to the playoffs at 10-6, including wins in Dallas and Pittsburgh...or am I the one on crazy pills? 

 

NHK12, I get what you're saying.  Allen made some great plays that made victory possible several times last year.  

 

Yet he didn't have a lot of great games.  That's why I don't think Barnwell is entirely wrong when he says, "In 2018, Allen was a hindrance to the Bills' chances of winning. In 2019, he was good enough to stay out of the way.  In 2020, he is driving Buffalo's success."  

 

Yeah, it's a simplification.  But if you had to sum up Allen's career thus far in three short sentences, this isn't a bad way of doing it. 

 

In the end, I don't care what Barnwell or any other talking head says anyway.  I'm just enjoying Allen's progress and the victories.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

2018

My bad.  
 

[Lurker]

Barnwell's just spouting and would slag the Bills the second they lose.   He's a joke...

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2018 

let me try again. (Memory don’t fail me again)

 

Zay Jones was the leading receiver and the legend of Bob Foster began because he was catching deep balls by Josh. 
 

 

[Chicken Boo]

2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Takes like this are mildly insulting to me and a little disingenuous. When people say "wow, Allen got really good this year" What they are really saying is "we didn't pay attention to Allen last year." Because if they did they'd know they're were signs of this Josh Allen brewing in 2019.

 

People may have been hopeful of this type of leap, but nobody was expecting a '12 TDs through 3 games' kind of leap.  

 

Allen has far exceeded expectations through 3 games.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

And in other news, I heard Mike Sando who is known for his QB ranking tiers on one of the sports talk shows yesterday. He seemed to be treading lightly still with regards to Allen. He still had a lot of concerns about turnovers popping up down the road it sounded like. Not sure if he has come out with his updated tier yet but I'll be interested to see where he has Allen when he does release them.

[Alaska Darin]

10 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

People may have been hopeful of this type of leap, but nobody was expecting a '12 TDs through 3 games' kind of leap.  

 

Allen has far exceeded expectations through 3 games.

That is fair.  Granted it's the era we're in and at least a bit competition-based, but I can't recall a BILLS QB having this good of a 3 consecutive game stretch EVER. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

15 minutes ago, Alaska Darin said:

That is fair.  Granted it's the era we're in and at least a bit competition-based, but I can't recall a BILLS QB having this good of a 3 consecutive game stretch EVER. 

from the Bills Twitter feed a week ago 

 

 

 

 

People argue about his But it’s because they don’t see “rushing”

 

 

 

[{::'KayCeeS::}]

1 minute ago, Gene1973 said:

If Allen plays the rest of the season like the first 3 games, his improvement is most definitely unprecedented, never seen before in this league. It's rare and likely won't happen again for decades. So, I have no issue with the people who didn't think Allen would amount to much, there was no data to say otherwise. The Bills fans who thought Allen would be great are the same fans who thought Losman, EJ, Edwards & Fitz were going to be great... 

 

Look, if you think Edwards and Allen have ever been on the same trajectory, then I've got an oceanside property in Arizona to sell you. 

[{::'KayCeeS::}]

1 minute ago, Gene1973 said:

I don't, but many Bills fans are eternal optimists.

 

True.  But that's why Allen is different: he's ACTUALLY the Prince who was Promised.