Is Josh Allen too good to be true?

[NewEra]

4 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

No I disappear after the season is over & yes my #1 concern is watching games that I can enjoy.

 

Yes I said it over & over that I though Allen was hamstrung by the coaching and the offensive weapons they gave him.

 

2020 is a new story.

 

I will freely admit that I'll be thrilled if the defense gets gashed all year if that means Allen throws 300+ and the Bills are winning.  If you want 17-14 smash mouth, 1974 is calling....

 

BTW please remember the Bills record under McD pre 2020 was 25-23, the prior 3 years it was 24-24.

Been here 24-7 for almost 20 years.  I know

[poblano]

3 minutes ago, Herc11 said:

Got it. Wait until his hall of fame induction. Then we can be excited.

And then you must wait he don't mess his life, like killing his wife 😢

[Greg S]

3 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

No I disappear after the season is over & yes my #1 concern is watching games that I can enjoy.

 

Yes I said it over & over that I though Allen was hamstrung by the coaching and the offensive weapons they gave him.

 

2020 is a new story.

 

I will freely admit that I'll be thrilled if the defense gets gashed all year if that means Allen throws 300+ and the Bills are winning.  If you want 17-14 smash mouth, 1974 is calling....

 

BTW please remember the Bills record under McD pre 2020 was 25-23, the prior 3 years it was 24-24.

 

I would rather the D gets their act together with Allen throwing for 300+ and the Bills dominating on the scoreboard. If they are going to get by KC/BAL/PITT come playoff time then we will definitely need the D to step up.

[Alaska Darin]

26 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Yep returned to the board once the national nightmare was over (48 games without 300 yards passing😜).

 

I can't get over how much fun the first three weeks have been and that the offense is now imposing their will on opponents as opposed to whatever you want to call it in the past.

 

I have pretty much held coaching responsible for Josh Allen's "shortcomings" and stand by it, but will now say am very impressed with how 2020 has started.

 

However again I look at the two rookie QB's in Cincy & LA and again wonder why we held him back, which I know I posted many a time last year).  While not winning (and not excpected to)  Herbert & Burrow are getting valuable snaps and throws, that Allen was not from day 1.  And those teams will know exactly what they have.  Also  look at what Arizona is building around Kyler Murray in his second year (oh & he did have Larry Fitzgerald in his rookie season too). 

 

Compare that with Darnold, who like Allen year one has a mess of a receiving corp and questionable coaching.

 

I know I am giddy & expect 300 every week, but understand there maybe some speed bumps along the way, but I do wonder what the ceiling is, now that they've let the car out of the garage & let it on the highway. 

If you've been a BILLS' fan for longer than 10 years, there's just no way you don't have PTSD.

 

It's Ok to think Josh Allen has tuned a corner...because he has.  It's ok for it to take a little longer for some guys to "get it"...because it does.  It's ok to realize that for the first time since Marchibroda (Gailey was better than average but not at Teddy's level) that the BILLS have an OC who just flat out GETS IT.

 

JA was brought along the way he should have been.  Would it have been more ideal if he'd sat his first year?  Hard to say but it WAS the plan because the BILLS knew we just didn't have the offensive talent a rookie QB needs to be surrounded with to succeed.  There's a reason they replaced NINE offensive starters after his first season.

 

JH in SD is in a VERY good situation for a rookie QB but it's going to be interesting to watch how the league adapts now that there's some film. 

[poblano]

Why you ask people to watch anything in the way you liked, I'm think as much as you, but also let people enjoy Bills games the way they liked.

 

And your point about player's development is silly, every player has his time and ways to make it, the  way they take Allen was the right way for Allen  and for everyone in the team, especially Daboll who also growth with Allen

Edited September 30, 2020 by poblano

[PromoTheRobot]

25 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said:

 

I could not disagree with you more on this.  I believe coaching is a huge reason why he is having such a great year...that and his coach-ability as a player.

 

Coaching and surrounding talent are the difference between Allen and Darnold. Look at Eichel on the Sabres. He's likely the best player in the NHL, but how would you know with that clown show around him?

[Estro]

Slightly yes.  Hes been terrific, but its unrealistic to expect this pace to continue. 

[PromoTheRobot]

People here don't watch other teams enough. Just highlight reels. It skews their expectations. There is no perfect QB. Never was. Never will be.

Edited September 30, 2020 by PromoTheRobot

[BillsFanNC]

1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Coaching and surrounding talent are the difference between Allen and Darnold. Look at Eichel on the Sabres. He's likely the best player in the NHL, but how would you know with that clown show around him?

😳

 

Eichel is great, but he's not close to being in the best player in the league conversation IMO.

[PromoTheRobot]

Just now, BillsFanNC said:

😳

 

Eichel is great, but he's not close to being in the best player in the league conversation IMO.

 

How would you know when he's surrounded by losers?

[Mr. WEO]

Is he......The Chroise?

[Royale with Cheese]

15 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

No I disappear after the season is over & yes my #1 concern is watching games that I can enjoy.

 

Yes I said it over & over that I though Allen was hamstrung by the coaching and the offensive weapons they gave him.

 

2020 is a new story.

 

I will freely admit that I'll be thrilled if the defense gets gashed all year if that means Allen throws 300+ and the Bills are winning.  If you want 17-14 smash mouth, 1974 is calling....

 

BTW please remember the Bills record under McD pre 2020 was 25-23, the prior 3 years it was 24-24.

So in your world, you can’t have a 300 yard passer unless your defense gets gashed?

[HappyDays]

You made a bait thread title that has nothing to do with your post. We get it, you are obsessed with 300 yards.

[Rocket94]

Let us please not question Josh Allen's success. This is the beginning of what we wanted!

[Ramza86]

life is short, football is short. im gonna ride this high but i will also be prepared if he comes back to planet earth.

[BillsFanNC]

10 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

How would you know when he's surrounded by losers?

 

Because Connor McDavid. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

10 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Is he......The Chroise?

 

we need a Not Worthy "Reaction" button  

[Billsfan1972]

12 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

So in your world, you can’t have a 300 yard passer unless your defense gets gashed?

The way McD coached the prior 3 years, I'd say YES!!!!  Again 48 games & not a single one over 300....  No team went a season doing that over that time period, much less 3.

[Mr. WEO]

8 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

 

we need a Not Worthy "Reaction" button  

 

a little throwback for the old timers

[DuckyBoys]

I'm enjoying it and more worried about if we will ever be able to stop the run.  Josh is going to be the face of the franchise for years to come and give us a chance in every game

[Johnny Hammersticks]

I blame Jamarcus Russell

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

19 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

a little throwback for the old timers

 

 

 

 

 

 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

To summarize:

 

I went away fro awhile because our qbs couldn’t throw for 300 yards

 

I’m having so much fun now

 

our coaches suck for disabling JA

 

whoa is me

 

whoa is darnold

 

I’m so happy, but I’d rather be sad

 

😳👊🏻

 

 

 

Hey look! A fair weather fan! 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

31 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

The way McD coached the prior 3 years, I'd say YES!!!!  Again 48 games & not a single one over 300....  No team went a season doing that over that time period, much less 3.

It's about trust. McDermott is trusting Allen to win games. In the past he felt defense and ball control won.

 

Once you trust your QB is when the big passing numbers start rolling in consistently.

Edited September 30, 2020 by Buffalo_Stampede

[nucci]

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[Royale with Cheese]

40 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

The way McD coached the prior 3 years, I'd say YES!!!!  Again 48 games & not a single one over 300....  No team went a season doing that over that time period, much less 3.

LOL...okay.

McDermott coached him not to throw with anticipation and overthrow his receivers in previous years.

 

Jordan Palmer said Allen knew what he needed to work on and busted his butt this offseason to improve it.  You’re not giving Allen any credit at all for that and only blaming McDermott.  Get real man.

[Ralonzo]

1 hour ago, matter2003 said:

 

In his last 14 games Allen has accounted for 33 TDs and 3 INTs. Its OK to actually believe what you are watching for once.

 

It sounds awesome but it's really a cherry-picked stat. You credit him for touchdowns made running and throwing, but only the turnovers made throwing.

 

Still, 3 (really 2) picks is a single game's worth for many QB's, even highly regarded ones.

 

For those on the "clean up the fumbles" train, that's the other side of the extend-plays-and-truck-LBs coin, so you're gonna have an elevated level compared to QB's who can't/don't/won't. This is what the guy is and what he does.

 

God help us down the road when he's a "wily ring veteran" and knows all the little tricks.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

47 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

The way McD coached the prior 3 years, I'd say YES!!!!  Again 48 games & not a single one over 300....  No team went a season doing that over that time period, much less 3.

 

17 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

It's about trust. McDermott is trusting Allen to win games. In the past he felt defense and ball control won.

 

Once you trust your QB is when the big passing numbers start rolling in consistently.

 

I don't think this is about coaching or trust.

 

I think McD/Frazier "lock down D" depends upon having a stout DL especially up the middle and gap integrity.  We lost two starters in Shaq and Phillips.  We thought we did enough to replace them, but that was counting Star Lotulelei into the mix and depending on Harrison Phillips return to form.  Well, Star opted out and Phillips is still working his way back from the ACL.

 

A significant shoulder injury that Edmunds is apparently trying to play through does not help.

 

Right now IMHO we lack the "Jimmies and Joes" to play D the way Frazier and McD need it played for their D to be successful.  At least publicly, their answer is 'we got the guys we need on the team right now, they just have to step it up and play better'.  Unfortunately this kind of reminds me of what was said about our OL in 2018 and the team's off-season actions made it clear that they really didn't have the players they needed to get it done at the time.

[Billsfan1972]

29 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

It's about trust. McDermott is trusting Allen to win games. In the past he felt defense and ball control won.

 

Once you trust your QB is when the big passing numbers start rolling in consistently.

 

16 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

LOL...okay.

McDermott coached him not to throw with anticipation and overthrow his receivers in previous years.

 

Jordan Palmer said Allen knew what he needed to work on and busted his butt this offseason to improve it.  You’re not giving Allen any credit at all for that and only blaming McDermott.  Get real man.

Yes a feel good post.  But again that too comes with practice & game time situations.  They were too conservative with Allen the first 2 years.   I will not come off that stance & the #'s bare it out.

[teef]

37 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

It's about trust. McDermott is trusting Allen to win games. In the past he felt defense and ball control won.

 

Once you trust your QB is when the big passing numbers start rolling in consistently.

 

23 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

LOL...okay.

McDermott coached him not to throw with anticipation and overthrow his receivers in previous years.

 

Jordan Palmer said Allen knew what he needed to work on and busted his butt this offseason to improve it.  You’re not giving Allen any credit at all for that and only blaming McDermott.  Get real man.

this was always my take as well.  the staff didn't have the confidence in allen yet, nor should they have.  i don't think they were being conservative out of want.  

 

no matter how everything plays out with allen, we can all agree on how hard he's worked to get to this point.  so far so good.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

3 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

 

Yes a feel good post.  But again that too comes with practice & game time situations.  They were too conservative with Allen the first 2 years.   I will not come off that stance & the #'s bare it out.

It's difficult to trust a young QB when you're winning. The Steelers didn't unleash Ben Roethlisberger for a while either. 

[Royale with Cheese]

5 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

 

Yes a feel good post.  But again that too comes with practice & game time situations.  They were too conservative with Allen the first 2 years.   I will not come off that stance & the #'s bare it out.

 

Yep....no credit to Allen improving.  Just none.

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

It's difficult to trust a young QB when you're winning. The Steelers didn't unleash Ben Roethlisberger for a while either. 

 

Big Ben is a good example.  

[Billsfan1972]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

It's difficult to trust a young QB when you're winning. The Steelers didn't unleash Ben Roethlisberger for a while either. 

Oh yea & they won 13 games in a row (& yes a 300 yard game) and won the SB his second year.....  

 

The Bills do the same with Josh Allen?  Different circumstances to say the least.

[Royale with Cheese]

5 minutes ago, teef said:

 

this was always my take as well.  the staff didn't have the confidence in allen yet, nor should they have.  i don't think they were being conservative out of want.  

 

no matter how everything plays out with allen, we can all agree on how hard he's worked to get to this point.  so far so good.

 

When Allen is going downfield this season he’s struggling to connect with his receivers. Last week against the Philadelphia Eagles he attempted just one pass beyond 30 yards and it was incomplete to receiver Robert Foster. That miss brought his season total on passes that travel more than 30 yards to 3 of 35 (8.5 percent) on the year.

 

Allen knows it’s been a problem this season. He was late to his Wednesday press conference because he was busy working on rectifying the issue.

 

“I haven’t been doing a good enough job with allowing our players to go make some plays and that’s going to be an added focus this week,” Allen said. “I just was a little late because I was working on that. It’s every day, we just have to keep finding things to get better at and myself included.”

 

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2019/10/buffalo-bills-qb-josh-allen-hitting-the-deep-ball-is-added-focus-ahead-of-washington-game.html

Edited September 30, 2020 by Royale with Cheese

[Billsfan1972]

3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Yep....no credit to Allen improving.  Just none.

 

Big Ben is a good example.  

Yes he has improved.  I also think he could have been better last year and thus blamed the coaching.

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

When Allen is going downfield this season he’s struggling to connect with his receivers. Last week against the Philadelphia Eagles he attempted just one pass beyond 30 yards and it was incomplete to receiver Robert Foster. That miss brought his season total on passes that travel more than 30 yards to 3 of 35 (8.5 percent) on the year.

 

Allen knows it’s been a problem this season. He was late to his Wednesday press conference because he was busy working on rectifying the issue.

 

“I haven’t been doing a good enough job with allowing our players to go make some plays and that’s going to be an added focus this week,” Allen said. “I just was a little late because I was working on that. It’s every day, we just have to keep finding things to get better at and myself included.”

And having a small receiving corp with a case of the dropsies didn't help either.😜

[teef]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

When Allen is going downfield this season he’s struggling to connect with his receivers. Last week against the Philadelphia Eagles he attempted just one pass beyond 30 yards and it was incomplete to receiver Robert Foster. That miss brought his season total on passes that travel more than 30 yards to 3 of 35 (8.5 percent) on the year.

 

Allen knows it’s been a problem this season. He was late to his Wednesday press conference because he was busy working on rectifying the issue.

 

“I haven’t been doing a good enough job with allowing our players to go make some plays and that’s going to be an added focus this week,” Allen said. “I just was a little late because I was working on that. It’s every day, we just have to keep finding things to get better at and myself included.”

 i have no idea why this is complicated to him.  do he feel there was a conversation where the coaching staff sat down and figured, "maybe we'll be more aggressive this year...why not?".  

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, Billsfan1972 said:

Yes he has improved.  I also think he could have been better last year and thus blamed the coaching.

 

Prior to the Eagles game last year, Allen was 3 of 35 throwing the ball more than 30 yards.  What's the difference this year?  Allen is connecting and that's why he's having these gaudy stats.

Can you really not comprehend that if he was connecting on more big chunk plays last year he would have many more passing yards?  Is it really that hard?

 

2 minutes ago, teef said:

 i have no idea why this is complicated to him.  do he feel there was a conversation where the coaching staff sat down and figured, "maybe we'll be more aggressive this year...why not?".  

 

 

 

We were throwing downfield last year too....Allen is just connecting this year.  

[teef]

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

 

 

We were throwing downfield last year too....Allen is just connecting this year.  

no doubt.  the more he does it, the more likely they'll dial up those plays as well.  this year is just clicking so far.

[Billsfan1972]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Prior to the Eagles game last year, Allen was 3 of 35 throwing the ball more than 30 yards.  What's the difference this year?  Allen is connecting and that's why he's having these gaudy stats.

Can you really not comprehend that if he was connecting on more big chunk plays last year he would have many more passing yards?  Is it really that hard?

 

Ughhhhh......  I give up.....  I have laid out that I thought bad receivers, throwing the ball away, bad play calling & many other factors came into play.  

 

Where did you get 3-35.  He was not chucking 7 deep balls/game in 2019 (and certainly almost no chance for Foster or Mackenzie to catch them)?  

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Ughhhhh......  I give up.....  I have laid out that I thought bad receivers, throwing the ball away, bad play calling & many other factors came into play.  

 

Where did you get 3-35.  He was not chucking 7 deep balls/game in 2019 (and certainly almost no chance for Foster or Mackenzie to catch them)?  

I honestly think you watch a different game.  The #1 thing Allen was working on this offseason was the deep ball.  It was a problem in 2019 and he knew it.  But you'll continue the blame the receivers and coaching.

The biggest difference this year is he's connecting and that's why his passing numbers are up.  You just can't fathom that for whatever reason.

 

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2019/10/buffalo-bills-qb-josh-allen-hitting-the-deep-ball-is-added-focus-ahead-of-washington-game.html

When Allen is going downfield this season he’s struggling to connect with his receivers. Last week against the Philadelphia Eagles he attempted just one pass beyond 30 yards and it was incomplete to receiver Robert Foster. That miss brought his season total on passes that travel more than 30 yards to 3 of 35 (8.5 percent) on the year.

 

https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/josh-allen-gets-creative-in-offseason-work-focusing-on-deep-ball/article_ecc61d5b-f614-5cbd-87cc-bb1520a21923.html

7 minutes ago, teef said:

no doubt.  the more he does it, the more likely they'll dial up those plays as well.  this year is just clicking so far.

 

This is what I think 72 thinks.

 

McDermott to Daboll in 2019:  Hey, what are we the least successful at?

 

Daboll:  The deep ball.  

 

McDermott: Well lets keep doing it because I like to punt and try to win games 17-14.  I know I say we need to score more points but I honestly don't mean it.