Lack of RB Production is limiting this Team

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

It has now been 37 games since the start of the 2018 season, and we have a grand total of 8 rushing TDs by our RBs (4 in 2018, 4 in 2019, and 0 so far in 2020).  That is slightly less than 1 for every 4 games (1:4) and to me that is unsatisfactory, even if the QB averages 1 every two games (1:2).   Hopefully Moss can help with that, but the lack of RB production is really holding this team back to a certain degree in my opinion.  Additionally, TDs withstanding, do opposing defenses really fear our running game?  This kind of goes back to some poster's thoughts on constantly running RPOs instead of some more designed leads, counters, etc.  I think Dabol really needs to figure this out.  Thoughts?

Edited September 15, 2020 by Lieutenant Aldo Raine

[Dkollidas]

I think that number is low because of Allen. 18 rushing touchdowns to this point of his career. If you add those into the totals, it looks stronger. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Lol

 

The 8th best right rushing team from 2019 needs to do something about this. 

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

Just now, Dkollidas said:

I think that number is low because of Allen. 18 rushing touchdowns to this point of his career. If you add those into the totals, it looks stronger. 

 

Can you think of any runs where our RBs are breaking away runs to even score?  I can't think of any.

[Rigotz]

I think we should draft another RB in the first round that we don't need.

That worked really well for us the last 20 years.

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Lol

 

The 8th best right rushing team from 2019 needs to do something about this. 

 

How much better could be we be if the RBs produced more; that's my point?

[YoloinOhio]

Daboll seems to tailor the game plan toward the opponent. This past week, it would not have been wise to try to run the ball vs a team where that was their only strength - when there were other areas to exploit, which they did. 

Edited September 15, 2020 by YoloinOhio

[NewEra]

10 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

It has now been 37 games since the start of the 2018 season, and we have a grand total of 8 rushing TDs by our RBs (4 in 2018, 4 in 2019, and 0 so far in 2020).  That is slightly less than 1 for every 4 games (1:4) and to me that is unsatisfactory, even if the QB averages 1 every two games (1:2).   Hopefully Moss can help with that, but the lack of RB production is really holding this team back to a certain degree in my opinion.  Additionally, TDs withstanding, do opposing defenses really fear our running game?  This kind of goes back to some poster's thoughts on constantly running RPOs instead of some more designed leads, counters, etc.  I think Dabol really needs to figure this out.

In 2018, we had one of the worst offensive lines in league history.  
 

in 2019 our OL was better.  Better meaning average.  73 year old Frank Gore led our team

in carries.  Singletary averaged 5.1.  
 

Josh allen has more rushing TDs in his first 2 years than any QB history.  Handing the ball off on the goal line gives us one option.  Putting the ball in Josh’s hands, gives us two. 

 

i agree, I’d like to see our RBs get in the end zone more often, but that just means they’re going to have to score from further out.  When we’re down close, I think Josh should have the ball.  He’s done a helluva job down close so far.  

3 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

Can you think of any runs where our RBs are breaking away runs to even score?  I can't think of any.

That’s just it.  If our RBs are going to score more, they’re gonna have to be better at scoring from outside the 10.  
 

Do you think it’s dabolls fault that we don’t break longer RB runs?

Edited September 15, 2020 by NewEra

[mushypeaches]

This is not a problem

 

Repeat, this is not a problem

 

Let's focus on winning by THROWING the football

[Malazan]

1 minute ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

How much better could be we be if the RBs produced more; that's my point?

 

That's not the question. What resources would have altered to spend on increasing RB production? 

 

Also, you seem to be specifically honed in on long runs and touchdowns. 

 

Singletary was tied for 9th in the league on runs over 20 yards...how much better do you want them to be? 

 

It kinda feels like you're basing this a little too much on your feelings and not enough on reality. 

 

Please respond with numbers and examples. 

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

How much better could be we be if the RBs produced more; that's my point?

 

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

No. Because our RBs are slow. None have breakaway speed. 

This.

 2018, there wasn’t one hole created the entire season.

 

2019- gore and singletary.  Slowwww and kinda slow.

 

2020- too early.  One game vs a very good run d

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

In 2018, we had one of the worst offensive lines in league history.  
 

in 2019 our OL was better.  Better meaning average.  73 year old Frank Gore led our team

in carries.  Singletary averaged 5.1.  
 

Josh allen has more rushing TDs in his first 2 years than any QB history.  Handing the ball off on the goal line gives us one option.  Putting the ball in Josh’s hands, gives us two. 

 

i agree, I’d like to see our RBs get in the end zone more often, but that just means they’re going to have to score from further out.  When we’re down close, I think Josh should have the ball.  He’s done a helluva job down close so far.  

That’s just it.  If our RBs are going to score more, they’re gonna have to be better at scoring from outside the 10.  
 

Do you think it’s dabolls fault that we don’t break longer RB runs?

 

Good Point.  Do you think we have the right style of RB for the RPO system?  

[Royale with Cheese]

IMO, our lack of a passing game is what’s held us back.  Which is why we traded a 1st rounder for Diggs.  

 

[DCbillsfan]

18 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

How much better could be we be if the RBs produced more; that's my point?

I think you have to consider designed run plays by Allen part of the answer.  Also it's only 1 game with Moss.  As mentioned above Bills had 8th best rushing attack last year and they added Moss, moved Ford to RG, signed D. Williams.  I don't think Bills are satisfied.

[NewEra]

Just now, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

Good Point.  Do you think we have the right style of RB for the RPO system?  

I would’ve liked to add a vertical speed threat at RB instead of Moss but I do like moss.  I think as long as our passing game continues to improve, our running game will do the same.  I can’t recall a game in which the opposing DC called a defense geared to stopping our pass.  When that starts to happen, the RB will get better opportunities 

[HOF4LOU]

give me 300 yards passing and 100 yards rushing all year.  we tried 20 years of run first, pass 2nd

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

Nope.

 

A back who could potentially take it to the house on every touch would be a perfect compliment to Singletary.

Or, a back who could potentially take it to the house on every touch would be a perfect complement to moss.....which is what I envision going forward.  I like motor, but I think moss brings more to the table overall

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

Just now, NewEra said:

I would’ve liked to add a vertical speed threat at RB instead of Moss but I do like moss.  I think as long as our passing game continues to improve, our running game will do the same.  I can’t recall a game in which the opposing DC called a defense geared to stopping our pass.  When that starts to happen, the RB will get better opportunities 

 

I like that thought.  There's a post about Allen being 91% of the offense, but do we really want that?  Don't we want that down some and RB production up some?  

[716er]

Louis?

[Royale with Cheese]

8 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

No. Because our RBs are slow. None have breakaway speed. 

 

You absolutely need breakaway speed as a RB to take it to the house.  

Here's a perfect example.  Fred Jackson was really fast right?

 

 

[Warcodered]

Whelp time to burn it down and start over.

[716er]

Are we sure Moss doesn't have breakaway speed? We saw him carry the ball into a pile a few times.

 

He had at least one d-lineman squared up with him on each of his carries.

Edited September 15, 2020 by 716er

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

1 minute ago, Warcodered said:

Whelp time to burn it down and start over.

 

Certainly not saying that; are you satisfied with the RB production?  Perhaps you are and that's fine.  Just trying to have a conversation here.

[DallasBillsFan1]

I agree.  The eyeball test tells me that our RB's are getting wrapped up behind or at the LOS far too often.  I'm still in the Show Me stage with Singletary and so far not impressed at all with Moss.  I hope I am wrong as the season progresses.

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

I was at that game.... while Jackson wasn't a guy with breakaway speed he certainly had more game day speed than Motor and Moss.

 

 

 

LOL...no he didn't.  This is you reaching again.  What made Jackson great is his angles, not speed.  

Barry Sanders didn't have speed.

Lesean McCoy didn't have speed.

 

You're only saying this because you won't let go of not drafting Dobbins.  

[NickelCity]

I think Singletary is underrated on this board. He isn't a home run hitter but he's a lead back.

 

I have no idea with Moss. Looked sluggish in game 1, but it was literally game 1 of his pro career. 

[Bobby Hooks]

Ugh... so this is the new thing we’ve found to be “concerned” about? 

 

It was one week vs a VERY good run D. We game planned and adjusted to win with the passing game. It’s what good teams do.

 

In the immortal words of Aaron Rodgers “relax.”

 

 

 

Edited September 15, 2020 by Bobby Hooks

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

Point of my inquiry is this?  Everyone knows Lamar Jackson is a threat running the ball, just like Allen.  But the Ravens got 14 rushing TDs in each 2018 and 2019 not counting Lamar's contribution.  That's 28 TDs compared to our 8 in two years.  If we could improve that, we would improve our PPG average in my opinion.

Edited September 15, 2020 by Lieutenant Aldo Raine

[berg1029]

Couple thoughts:

 

1.  the jets have a good run d

2.  josh allen gets a lot of the rushing tds, so the running backs have less.  i wouldn't look at the lack of rb td's as meaning we have a lack of RB production

3.  aside from gore, the running game was actually really efficient last year.  singletary had 5.1 ypc.. that's pretty good. 

[Chandler#81]

6 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

At TBD, conversations aren't allowed unless you are talking up the team.😉

So, when will YOU learn?😉

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

5 minutes ago, Bobby Hooks said:

Ugh... so this is the new thing we’ve found to be “concerned” about? 

 

It was one week vs a VERY good run D. We game planned and adjusted to win with the passing game. It’s what good teams do.

 

In the immortal words of Aaron Rodgers “relax.”

 

 

 

 

Try answering the question as a whole?  Do think this is sufficient?

[Bobby Hooks]

Just now, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

Try answering the question as a whole?  Do think this is sufficient?

Against the Jets? Yes. 

 

You didnt think it was sufficient? 

Edited September 15, 2020 by Bobby Hooks

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

Just now, Bobby Hooks said:

Against the Jets? Yes. 

 

Ok, thanks.

[ColoradoBills]

The 2018 Bills offense should not even come into a conversation.  It was made up of "placeholders" until the proper personnel were acquired.

The simple fact that Daboll was OC is not realistic.  It's like saying Eisenhower should of been ready for D-Day in 1942.

This year the offense should show everyone what it is capable of with a young veteran QB executing specific game plans.

 

Let's look at what trends we can see going forward starting this year.  The running game (RB wise) was not impressive statistically the first game.

It was partially a result from a specific game plan so some consideration needs to be made.  I'm also going to consider that a lot of effort seems

to have been given to the passing game improving during the shortened preseason.  

 

IF going forward this "one game trend" proves to be a common result then I will have a concern.  I wouldn't want to see the Bills as any type

of a one dimensional or one scheme orientated unit and I'm probably guessing that Daboll and McDermott do not either.  

[Virgil]

30 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Lol

 

The 8th best right rushing team from 2019 needs to do something about this. 

 

7 teams were better.  I'm sick of your defeatist attitude.  😀

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

I will say something looked off about the RB handoffs in the game... its almost like there was some hesitation or the RB wasn’t always in the right place, etc... can’t put my finger on it, just didn’t seem smooth 

[Royale with Cheese]

5 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

? He absolutely did.

 

I didn't say speed made Jackson great. I said he was faster on the field than both Moss and Motor... Jacksons vision made him a very good back.

 

McCoy didn't have speed? Wtf are you talking about? Lol.

 

I meant to put Leveon Bell who is a 4.6 forty.

 

Did you forget to comment on Barry Sanders?

 

That video I posted, a linebacker is on Fred Jackson's heels.  He didn't run away with him, he took angles to get to the endzone.  He didn't leave anyone in a cloud of dust.

I guess #57 has more game speed than Moss and Singletary too?

 

Again, you're only saying this because we didn't draft Dobbins and knowing you, you're going to B word and complain about it every time you get the chance.

[GunnerBill]

35 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

Can you think of any runs where our RBs are breaking away runs to even score?  I can't think of any.

 

They don't have the speed to do that.

[ColoradoBills]

6 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

I will say something looked off about the RB handoffs in the game... its almost like there was some hesitation or the RB wasn’t always in the right place, etc... can’t put my finger on it, just didn’t seem smooth 

 

It wasn't smooth.  I think it's to do with what I said in my post a moment ago, it had to do with limited work on running and a lot of work on the passing

game this offseason.  It was really abbreviated and I agree with the effort being put into the passing game.

 

I'm hopeful the run game will catch up.  I would like to see that down in Miami Sunday.

Edited September 15, 2020 by ColoradoBills

[Just Joshin']

I will file this with other game 1 over reactions.

 

If this continues for next 3 games then I will become concerned.