Jump to content
Lieutenant Aldo Raine

Lack of RB Production is limiting this Team

Recommended Posts

1 minute ago, CEN-CAL17 said:

But how many of those rushing TDs come off busted pass plays.  OPs point is no teams are basically scared of us scoring on them by running the ball.

 

That's a great point; without going back to look; I would venture at least half if not more.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

Yes; but what if I told you we scored less rushing TDs in 2019 than we did in 2018.  15 total compared to 13.  

 

You can look at RB TDs in a vacuum if you want Lt.  The vast majority of TDs scored from outside the redzone are passing TDs.

Inside the redzone the only stat I'm concerned about is the % of TDs scored.  How they are scored does not matter at all.

  • Like (+1) 1
  • Thanks! (+1) 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Well in order to say that we need to see them do it. I don't think we will. Doesn't mean they can't be productive but I don't think either is a breakaway speed guy who gets through the line and then is gone 

 

How often does something like this happen?  Even the fastest RB's in the league might do it once a year?

What would you say is the minimum yardage that is considered "taking it to the house"?  I would say at least 50?

 

They won't smoke guys but as long as they don't just run in a straight line....they can do it.

 

I bet Singletary will have one run of over 50 yards to the house this year.  If he doesn't, I'll set you up with Matt Milano.

  • Like (+1) 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
50 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

It has now been 37 games since the start of the 2018 season, and we have a grand total of 8 rushing TDs by our RBs (4 in 2018, 4 in 2019, and 0 so far in 2020).  That is slightly less than 1 for every 4 games (1:4) and to me that is unsatisfactory, even if the QB averages 1 every two games (1:2).   Hopefully Moss can help with that, but the lack of RB production is really holding this team back to a certain degree in my opinion.  Additionally, TDs withstanding, do opposing defenses really fear our running game?  This kind of goes back to some poster's thoughts on constantly running RPOs instead of some more designed leads, counters, etc.  I think Dabol really needs to figure this out.  Thoughts?

TDs scored is a silly measure of the effectiveness of our run game.  Who cares how the ball crosses the goal line?  Less rushing TDs is a factor of having the 10th worst scoring offense in the NFL.  8th most productive running game in terms of yards per game but 10th worst in overall scoring??? Sounds like the problem was NOT the running game.  

 

Yes, defenses are primarily concerned with stopping our running attack.  Greggo stacked the box and did everything he could to contain Allen.   

  • Like (+1) 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I bet Singletary will have one run of over 50 yards to the house this year.  If he doesn't, I'll set you up with Matt Milano.

 

Done. But I am holding you to that promise. Give Matt one night with me he will definitely sign that extension. ;)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, PaattMaann said:

oh dang, this was a serious post/thread? lol 

Why is that funny?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, CEN-CAL17 said:

Why is that funny?

 

because we are one game into the season????? lol 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

Did I ever mention one game?  I am talking a two-year trend.  

 

We didnt have Moss last year. Frank Gore is now gone. We now got rid of our FB to likely open up the offense. Singletary is a year older. Our offensive line largely returns intact leading to more cohesion. 

 

What does previous years running (which by the way we were top 10 in rushing last year) success or lack thereof, have to do with this years rushing attack?

 

Its been a game, so no, to answer your I guess serious post, our RBs arent limiting this team. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

How often does something like this happen?  Even the fastest RB's in the league might do it once a year?

What would you say is the minimum yardage that is considered "taking it to the house"?  I would say at least 50?

 

They won't smoke guys but as long as they don't just run in a straight line....they can do it.

 

I bet Singletary will have one run of over 50 yards to the house this year.  If he doesn't, I'll set you up with Matt Milano.

 

Glad I read the thread before typing this out myself.

 

The league isnt even seeing RBs breaking 30 yard TD runs on any sort of regular basis. It just doesnt happen. Let alone 40, 50+ yards.

 

What RBs in the NFL are a threat to "take it to the house at any moment"?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
22 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

If you read my initial post; I'm not taking about one game.  I'm talking over two years!  Like I said, the Ravens have 28 rushing TDs to our 8 TDs outside of Lamar and Josh.  I think two years is enough to establish a trend.  I'm just saying if we can improve this area, how much better could we be?  Is that a rationale question to ask or just an overreaction?  

The teams change too much year to year to make a valid comparison of 2018 Bills to 2020 Bills.  Within years yes, between years less so.

 

The 2018 Bills had neither back on the team, substandard receivers, a first year OC  and a rookie QB.  Fast forward to 2020 and the run game will look very different.  You can not do a statistically significant trend analysis with so many different variables.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, PaattMaann said:

 

We didnt have Moss last year. Frank Gore is now gone. We now got rid of our FB to likely open up the offense. Singletary is a year older. Our offensive line largely returns intact leading to more cohesion. 

 

What does previous years running (which by the way we were top 10 in rushing last year) success or lack thereof, have to do with this years rushing attack?

 

Its been a game, so no, to answer your I guess serious post, our RBs arent limiting this team. 

 

Well, we are always talking about improving our 19pts per game right?  We draft and acquire players to improve that.  Therefore; it is rationale to look at areas where we can improve that, and I believer more production from our RBs could help.  If you disagree, so be it.  Thanks for the response.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

More color.  2019 Bills were bottom 10 in red zone trips per game.  

 

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/red-zone-scoring-attempts-per-game?date=2020-02-03

 

Buffalo was middle of the road in red zone TD efficiency in  2019

 

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/red-zone-scoring-pct?date=2020-02-03

 

2019 Bills were 3rd in rushing first downs per game.

 

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/rushing-first-downs-per-game?date=2020-02-03

 

2019 Bills were 8th in rushing yards per game.

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/_/season/2019/seasontype/2/table/rushing/sort/rushingYards/dir/desc

 

2019, Buffalo was 11th in rushing yards per attempt despite old man Gore

 

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/yards-per-rush-attempt?date=2020-02-03

 

 

In summary, Buffalo rushed the ball effectively, picked up first downs on the ground, and was efficient in yards per attempt but they scored few points and had few red zone trips relative to the rest of the league.  More red zone visits = more rushing TDs.  Why weren't the Bills getting to the red zone more and scoring more rushing TDs?  Because the passing game sucked.  End of discussion.  

 

RBs with breakaway speed are usually a luxury not a necessity.  

  • Like (+1) 2
  • Thanks! (+1) 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

It has now been 37 games since the start of the 2018 season, and we have a grand total of 8 rushing TDs by our RBs (4 in 2018, 4 in 2019, and 0 so far in 2020).  That is slightly less than 1 for every 4 games (1:4) and to me that is unsatisfactory, even if the QB averages 1 every two games (1:2).   Hopefully Moss can help with that, but the lack of RB production is really holding this team back to a certain degree in my opinion.  Additionally, TDs withstanding, do opposing defenses really fear our running game?  This kind of goes back to some poster's thoughts on constantly running RPOs instead of some more designed leads, counters, etc.  I think Dabol really needs to figure this out.  Thoughts?

 

I think we need to look at 2019 and 2020 separately from 2018.  Basically our OL in 2018 sucked and was upgraded /changed OL coach in the 2019 offseason.  After the Packers game I think McDermott plaintively said “I expected us to be able to run the ball”

 

There’s a point to be made that if Allen keeps it and rushes for TD himself, is that “robbing” the RBs of yards they could have?

 

The running game vs the Jets was an abysmal fail, but it’s a valid point that the Jets had the #2 run D in the NFL last year, and it seems pretty clear to me that Williams defensive game plan was “Stifle the run and make Josh Allen be a QB to beat us”.  If another game or two shows that Josh’s answer to that is a resounding and consistent “as you wish!” expect the run game to loosen up.

 

21 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

That's a great point; without going back to look; I would venture at least half if not more.

 

During the Jests game, the announcer cited Daboll telling him only 25% of JA’s rushes last year were designed QB runs.  Pretty sure I caught that correctly.  Maybe someone else can verify that’s what they said.

  • Like (+1) 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Glad I read the thread before typing this out myself.

 

The league isnt even seeing RBs breaking 30 yard TD runs on any sort of regular basis. It just doesnt happen. Let alone 40, 50+ yards.

 

What RBs in the NFL are a threat to "take it to the house at any moment"?

A lot of the guys who fit that description were players who never found a regular role since they couldn't run between the tackles like Spiller and Reggie Bush.  That one year of Chris Johnson was exciting.  Peterson is the one of the very few in the current era I can think of that will run a safety over and then outrun a CB.  

  • Like (+1) 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Jauronimo said:

A lot of the guys who fit that description were players who never found a regular role since they couldn't run between the tackles like Spiller and Reggie Bush.  That one year of Chris Johnson was exciting.  Peterson is the one of the very few in the current era I can think of that will run a safety over and then outrun a CB.  

 

Yep, Spiller was who I was thinking of as well. And he is hardly the example I would use if trying to prove a point.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

Well, we are always talking about improving our 19pts per game right?  We draft and acquire players to improve that.  Therefore; it is rationale to look at areas where we can improve that, and I believer more production from our RBs could help.  If you disagree, so be it.  Thanks for the response.

 

I think the point is that RB production and an effective deep passing game/ability to beat pressure with the quick pass go together.  If our passing vocabulary is limited, teams can do what the Ravens did and basically keep up the heavy pressure on QB that also stifles the run, daring us to throw deep and beat them.  Blitz zero, here we come.

 

If we can routinely hit those deep passes and make them pay for blitz zero, they have to back off and that opens room for the run game as well.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

How far were the 28 TD runs for the Ravens? A team know for strong O line play. A team that has blown opponents away with a balanced O. Who are their fast RB’s? 
 

With respect to hand off timing the Bills ran option so that’s how it works. Based on last years performance Singletary is a solid RB with an over 5 yard per carry average. 
 

Let’s discuss Bills woeful running game after 8 games. I’m guessing you won’t be talking about it. It’s an Allen led O ! Nobody in GB is worried about their RB play. The Bills will run when it’s the best option. Each game is its own entity. Let it play out. Just my thoughts. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...

×
×
  • Create New...