Bills release their social justice message

[Putin]

3 minutes ago, Beach said:

sorry, im not into this anti-cop stuff.  my friend, a cop, chased an armed robber.  he chose not to shoot him.  the robber shot him above his vest and it hit his clavicle and ricocheted into his heart and he died.  he had a quick decision to make and it cost him his life.  he is never coming back, his daughter is growing up without a father.  bad cops should be taken off the force but the majority arent bad at all.  they have a tough job and have to make decisions quickly.  

Sorry to hear that I know his life mattered at least to his family and friends 

[Lurker]

4 minutes ago, Putin said:

I’m just saying not all cops are bad and that there’s cops risking their lives every day to save/help people , 

 

For the life of me, I can't see how people take the POV that protesters are criticizing "all cops."   

 

Do people lump all Bills fans into the same pot as the one hundred or so that get arrested after each home game?    Or make a broad brush statement that all drinkers are the same as a guy with multiple DUIs?    

 

The 'Defund the Police' tag line does a huge disservice to reform.   Most all people want the police to protect and serve.  That's a no-brainer.    What the rally cry should have been is "Demilaterize the Police," which is the biggest shift in policing in the past 20 years...and scenes of which pepper that Bills video.   

[Sig1Hunter]

21 minutes ago, Bill Lewes said:

or we could look at what happened 19 years ago, and ask why many Americans don't think those cops would run into a burning building for them . . .

They would, and they do. It’s just not covered with the same amount of veracity as 5 seconds of grainy video with no context.

[RiotAct]

Nice, I was waiting for this.

[dwight in philly]

13 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

Depends. How much of your recreational time do you spend watching your barber work?

NICE!  not sure of your glib point..  i was just offering a comment in relation to the topic. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 minutes ago, Aaronthebaron said:

It’s the decision making that is the crux of the problem. Something needs to change to better prepare police for assessing situations. You mentioned an armed suspect, how many of these cases getting publicity were unarmed black men? The training for law enforcement is lacking severely. 

There's the problem. I fully believe this is where police reform should come, which will help the problem. Too many times non violent police calls end in people being shot by police. That shouldn't happen. There has to be better ways to handle a non violent situation.

[Putin]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

And it's more than likely not all protesters are looting and causing violence.

 

There's always a double standard. 

My whole point was that I don’t like when one group of people being generalized as good or bad , regardless if it’s the cops , protesters or any other 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, Putin said:

My whole point was that I don’t like when one group of people being generalized as good or bad , regardless if it’s the cops , protesters or any other 

Here's the problem though, it's rare that good police will turn in bad police. 

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

Excellent way to support the Marxist agenda. Perhaps we should celebrate with a riot and light the stadium on fire. Seriously, who has BLM helped. They hurt their own. Can we please create an organization that actually helps the black community. Celebrating and making heroes out of rapists, drug addicts and criminals is ridiculous. I have not seen one BLM outreach where those who need the help receive it.

 

And that video is a piece of pandering crap.

[Putin]

9 minutes ago, Lurker said:

 

For the life of me, I can't see how people take the POV that protesters are criticizing "all cops."   

 

Do people lump all Bills fans into the same pot as the one hundred or so that get arrested after each home game?    Or make a broad brush statement that all drinkers are the same as a guy with multiple DUIs?    

 

The 'Defund the Police' tag line does a huge disservice to reform.   Most all people want the police to protect and serve.  That's a no-brainer.    What the rally cry should have been is "Demilaterize the Police," which is the biggest shift in policing in the past 20 years...and scenes of which pepper that Bills video.   

So why didn’t they put a good cop in that video to show that they’re not against the police but ONLY against the bad ones ????

instead of making ALL cops look like the KKK

Edited September 12, 2020 by Putin

[dwight in philly]

3 minutes ago, BillsRdue said:

Excellent way to support the Marxist agenda. Perhaps we should celebrate with a riot and light the stadium on fire. Seriously, who has BLM helped. They hurt their own. Can we please create an organization that actually helps the black community. Celebrating and making heroes out of rapists, drug addicts and criminals is ridiculous. I have not seen one BLM outreach where those who need the help receive it.

 

And that video is a piece of pandering crap.

Be prepared for the onslaught ..

Edited September 12, 2020 by dwight in philly

[K-9]

3 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

I knew someone who was a racist, but he saw "black lives matter," on a helmet, and that totally changed his mind.  

 

Also, I knew an inner city kid in poverty, and that "black lives matter" sticker instantly helped him.  

 

It also stopped domestic abusers from running from the police and reaching for knives in their car.  

Yep. And when laws were passed to protect black people from discrimination in voting, lending, education, employment, etc., and to provide equal access to public services and facilities, etc.,  all the racist hearts and minds of people were magically changed forever. 

[RyanC883]

1 minute ago, Lurker said:

 

For the life of me, I can't see how people take the POV that protesters are criticizing "all cops."   

 

Do people lump all Bills fans into the same pot as the one hundred or so that get arrested after each home game?    Or make a broad brush statement that all drinkers are the same as a guy with multiple DUIs?    

 

The 'Defund the Police' tag line does a huge disservice to reform.   Most all people want the police to protect and serve.  That's a no-brainer.    What the rally cry should have been is "Demilaterize the Police," which is the biggest shift in policing in the past 20 years...and scenes of which pepper that Bills video.   

 

How about the slogans, "defund the police"?  That is a critique of all police.  Or the BLM folks in Portland shouting "burn it down" in front of the police station?  Or the instant rush to judgement on police shootings like the one in Wisconsin?  The NFL's embrace of this anti-American, anti-Police and therefore, interestingly, anti-minority group is disgusting and does NOTHIGN to help minorities around the country.  Virtue signaling is not virtue.  

 

or how about these tweets from one of BLM's founders: 

 

 

deray

 

@deray

This "feared for my life" language is perhaps the new execution motto of America's largest gang, the police.

7:15 AM · Apr 3, 2015

 

 

 

 

 

deray

 

@deray

The police are killing people. Officer Friendly is akin to the myth of the American Dream -- seductive but a deadly illusion nonetheless.

 

7 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

There's the problem. I fully believe this is where police reform should come, which will help the problem. Too many times non violent police calls end in people being shot by police. That shouldn't happen. There has to be better ways to handle a non violent situation.

 

Curious?  How many times does this happen?  What is your definition of "non violent." ?  

[That's No Moon]

8 minutes ago, dwight in philly said:

NICE!  not sure of your glib point..  i was just offering a comment in relation to the topic. 

I'm not sure I had a point but it seemed relevant at the time

[RyanC883]

Just now, K-9 said:

Yep. And when laws were passed to protect black people from discrimination in voting, lending, education, employment, etc., and to provide equal access to public services and facilities, etc.,  all the racist hearts and minds of people were magically changed forever. 

 

you are equating Title VII and other EEO laws with a helmet sticker, kind of proves my point.  The former did something, the helmet sticker does nothing.  

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

42 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I'll never understand why this stuff makes people angry. If you get upset over this you're part of the problem. I've never been someone that felt racism was a problem in today's America because I never experienced it. Then I see how people react to those who stand up against it and now I understand. 

 

 

It's not the idea of the organization that makes people angry. It's the execution of it. So far all it has done is further decimate black communities, kill more innocent black men, women and children and cause the destruction of property. These videos of BLM harassing old people in the streets, looting stores, picking on the weaker members of society is pathetic.  Supporting this just gives them more money to destroy... We need a BLACK COMMUNITY MATTERS organization that creates positive change,  that goes into neighborhoods and rebuilds them. That creates community centers where black kids can thrive, learn and produce. Where black single mothers can get support. Not this.

Edited September 12, 2020 by BillsRdue

[YoloinOhio]

Fromm would totally have had a bigger part if he wasn’t quarantined

 

 

[Johnnycage46]

5 pages.  I'm betting 5 pages until this gets locked.

[Putin]

2 minutes ago, BillsRdue said:

 

It's not the idea of the organization that makes people angry. It's the execution of it. So far all it has done is further decimate black communities, kill more innocent black men, women and children and cause the destruction of property. These videos of BLM harassing old people in the streets, looting stores, picking on the weaker members of society is pathetic.  Supporting this just gives them more money to destroy... We need a BLACK COMMUNITY MATTERS organization that creates positive change,  that goes into neighborhoods and rebuilds them. That creates community centers where black kids can thrive, learn and produce. Not this.

Nah to much to chew on here much easier to call everyone racists !!

[Aaronthebaron]

3 minutes ago, BillsRdue said:

Excellent way to support the Marxist agenda. Perhaps we should celebrate with a riot and light the stadium on fire. Seriously, who has BLM helped. They hurt their own. Can we please create an organization that actually helps the black community. Celebrating and making heroes out of rapists, drug addicts and criminals is ridiculous. I have not seen one BLM outreach where those who need the help receive it.

 

And that video is a piece of pandering crap.

BLM has lead to the most dialogue about social reform since the Civil Rights era. “Create an organization that actually helps,” you mean like the players in this same video are doing as we speak by donating to underprivileged communities to provide internet access for school? Something like that? 
 

 

[HamSandwhich]

44 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I'll never understand why this stuff makes people angry. If you get upset over this you're part of the problem. I've never been someone that felt racism was a problem in today's America because I never experienced it. Then I see how people react to those who stand up against it and now I understand. 

 

 

Everyone is against racism, that’s not why people are so against the social justice movement. It doesn’t stand for what people think it stands for.  People are tired of the rhetoric. 

Edited September 12, 2020 by HamSandwhich

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

Just now, Aaronthebaron said:

BLM has lead to the most dialogue about social reform since the Civil Rights era. “Create an organization that actually helps,” you mean like the players in this same video are doing as we speak by donating to underprivileged communities to provide internet access for school? Something like that? 
 

 

That's the players, not BLM. That organization has identified itself as a Marxist ideology and they personally have done nothing but cause trouble. I'm all for help, not hurt. Have the "PLAYERS" support a better organization, with better intent.

[K-9]

Just now, RyanC883 said:

 

you are equating Title VII and other EEO laws with a helmet sticker, kind of proves my point.  The former did something, the helmet sticker does nothing.  

No, I’m agreeing with your point that it takes a helluva lot more than stickers and slogans by saying that even passing laws that make the practice illegal hasn’t been enough. I’m saying that just because the civil rights movement resulted in actual legislative actions and protections, people still held racism in their hearts. 
 

Nothing matters until hearts and minds are truly changed. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, BillsRdue said:

 

It's not the idea of the organization that makes people angry. It's the execution of it. So far all it has done is further decimate black communities, kill more innocent black men, women and children and cause the destruction of property. These videos of BLM harassing old people in the streets, looting stores, picking on the weaker members of society is pathetic.  Supporting this just gives them more money to destroy... We need a BLACK COMMUNITY MATTERS organization that creates positive change,  that goes into neighborhoods and rebuilds them. That creates community centers where black kids can thrive, learn and produce. Not this.

There are black community groups. Many athletes take part in these groups and put money into the community. There's been many anti violence marches in Buffalo, turn in your gun rallies in Buffalo, stop black on black crime in Buffalo. The problem is no one cares or makes it a national topic. They happen in every major city all the time. They never get as big as BLM. They never get coverage.

 

As for BLM, I'm against the violence I've seen some of their leaders promote. I don't think violence is ever the answer. BUT, when black lives matter was simply just a saying and not a movement people opposed it for whatever reason. People said blue lives matter and all lives matter. This is why the group has grown to be what it is today, because no one was listening to them. That's what happens.

[Bob in STL]

3 minutes ago, Lurker said:

 

For the life of me, I can't see how people take the POV that protesters are criticizing "all cops."   

 

Do people lump all Bills fans into the same pot as the one hundred or so that get arrested after each home game?    Or make a broad brush statement that all drinkers are the same as a guy with multiple DUIs?    

 

The 'Defund the Police' tag line does a huge disservice to reform.   Most all people want the police to protect and serve.  That's a no-brainer.    What the rally cry should have been is "Demilaterize the Police," which is the biggest shift in policing in the past 20 years...and scenes of which pepper that Bills video.   

Agree that the notion of defunding the police is a very bad message and bad idea.  All of my black friends think this a bad idea too. 
 

Yes, get the bad ones out, that is a must -  but let’s not throw out the baby with the bath water. 
 

How about more training for police?   Most everyone agrees with that idea but training will cost more money, not less. 
 

We can see in some of these cases that the police did not have the training to de-escalate and control some very volatile situations.  In other cases mistakes are being made that could be prevented with more or better training.   Maybe even better selection of police officers to start with? 
 

Defunding will not improve policing, it will help the criminals though.  
 

Too very important jobs In our society are the police and our school teachers and we continually fail to develop them and pay these people what they are worth.  Better training, better pay, and more respect would attract better candidates into these important jobs.  
 

 

[Dr.Sack]

End Racism, Say No To Hate. Justice For All. These are good slogans, and hopefully everyone can agree in the core principles. Love Over Hate. Calmness over Fear. 

[HamSandwhich]

Just now, BillsRdue said:

That's the players, not BLM. That organization has identified itself as a Marxist ideology and they personally have done nothing but cause trouble. I'm all for help, not hurt. Have the "PLAYERS" support a better organization, with better intent.

Yeah, Black Lives Matter the organization does not actually stand for what most people think they do. There are far better organizations out there that can help that don’t have a Marxist bent. Equality in their eyes means redistribution of wealth aka socialism/communism.

[dwight in philly]

4 minutes ago, Aaronthebaron said:

BLM has lead to the most dialogue about social reform since the Civil Rights era. “Create an organization that actually helps,” you mean like the players in this same video are doing as we speak by donating to underprivileged communities to provide internet access for school? Something like that? 
 

 

or calling for the lack of the need for the father in the household! please read their agenda! 

[Johnnycage46]

1 minute ago, Dr.Sack said:

End Racism, Say No To Hate. Justice For All. These are good slogans, and hopefully everyone can agree in the core principles. Love Over Hate. Calmness over Fear. 

You would think so....but man people like to get all riled up.  Maybe less coffee and more excercise, or maybe some chamomille tea.

[purple haze]

28 minutes ago, Putin said:

Man they’ve made cops look real bad in that video , 

maybe they should watch some footage of 

9/11/01 when those cops were running in to the burning towers and lost their lives to save people !!!

How quickly some forget !!! 

I lived in NYC then.  A lot of heroic cops that day.  God bless them.  However, that doesn’t negate the times I was harassed by NYPD.  It doesn’t negate instances of misconduct from bad shootings to penetrating a suspect with a toilet plunger stick while in lock-up.   Look up policing in Giuliani’s NYC.

 

Some cops make themselves look bad.  And their unions make them look worse fighting against accountability for bad actors.   If you love police you should want the bad ones weeded out quickly.  The sooner people get over the notion that cops can do no wrong, or that the heroism of some, negates the abusive/deadly actions of others, the better off everyone will be.  Bad cops and their unions count on that mindset.   Good cops aren’t in the best position to stop bad cops.  The pressure has to come from the public.  And the public should not give free passes.
 

Police are not a private security force.  They are a public entity and should be no less accountable than other public workers, from state and local politicians to public school teachers, etc.  That said, there shouldn’t need to be mass protests to get investigations started or to demand accountability.

[Dr.Sack]

1 minute ago, HamSandwhich said:

Yeah, Black Lives Matter the organization does not actually stand for what most people think they do. There are far better organizations out there that can help that don’t have a Marxist bent. Equality in their eyes means redistribution of wealth aka socialism/communism.

 

If you live in the US you are living in a country with socialism.

[dwight in philly]

1 minute ago, Dr.Sack said:

 

If you live in the US you are living in a country with socialism.

REALLY thought we were a capitalist country .. something change since yesterday? 

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said:

As for BLM, I'm against the violence I've seen some of their leaders promote. I don't think violence is ever the answer. BUT, when black lives matter was simply just a saying and not a movement people opposed it for whatever reason. People said blue lives matter and all lives matter. This is why the group has grown to be what it is today, because no one was listening to them. That's what happens.

 

I don't buy it. The influx of money came in an election year at just the right time to cause chaos and push an agenda. When the FBI take a deep dive into BLM's sources of funding and it comes up clean, then they may get some credibility. But sparking outrage over a career criminal who OD'd on Fentanol and a man who repeatedly raped and stole from his ex-girlfirend, when she called the cops looking for protection and he had a weapon is not the best case scenario to drum up support for your cause. 

Don't get me wrong, in each instance I would have loved to see the police not use lethal force and that needs to change with better training and perhaps better means to arrest these criminals. But the fact is that both men committed crimes, needed to be arrested and resisted. It's just not a good look to create so much destruction over.

 

[Putin]

3 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

 

If you live in the US you are living in a country with socialism.

Go away Bernie 

[Rob44]

As a live lifelong bills fan I am sad to say that I can no longer support this team it is one thing to support the people who died but it is another thing to support terrorist organization like black lives matter who really don't care about black people at all all they are is New world order people trying to get to the control the world I will not stand by a team that that supports a an organization want to take our freedoms away so bills players and coaches I like to do but they're being paid millions of dollars to do and that is play football there's no place in football 4 unpatriotic acts such as this when bills brass get their head out of their ass and realize that they're losing fan after fan maybe maybe then they will gain Sam's back I don't think the Ralph Wilson wouldn't put up with this BS

[HappyDays]

This is the most milquetoast messaging possible and some people still have a problem with it. This is where we are as a country. Something as simple as players locking arms is seen as a perceived attack on American values.

[jkeerie]

I think we need to make a better distinction between Black Lives Matter the organization and black lives matter, the movement.  The former was founded by 3 people, 2 of which are Marxist.  The latter is a movement that isn't really associated with the organization.  The majority aren't even aware the organization exists.

[Johnnycage46]

3 minutes ago, dwight in philly said:

REALLY thought we were a capitalist country .. something change since yesterday? 

I would say we are primarily a capitalist country.  But with government bail-outs, social programs for low income families, federal financial aid for college we have a mixture.  A true capitalist country would be 100% sink or swim.  Goodbye most farming, auto industry, etc.  

 

I like the mixture.  You can still prosper, but those that truly need the help can get it. 

[Fr. Jerk]

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, jkeerie said:

I think we need to make a better distinction between Black Lives Matter the organization and black lives matter, the movement.  The former was founded by 3 people, 2 of which are Marxist.  The latter is a movement that isn't really associated with the organization.  The majority aren't even aware the organization exists.

What is Marxism?