iinii Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 (edited) This will muddy the waters. https://www.nfl.com/news/nflpa-votes-to-play-no-preseason-games-ahead-of-2020-season Edited July 4, 2020 by iinii Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 I saw this yesterday somewhere. How does this even work? Teams/staffs that have been together for a while Should have a huge advantage. While I’ll never complain about a SB win, this year would always have a serious asterisk after it for whomever does win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 19 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said: I saw this yesterday somewhere. How does this even work? Teams/staffs that have been together for a while Should have a huge advantage. While I’ll never complain about a SB win, this year would always have a serious asterisk after it for whomever does win. Which teams have been together for awhile? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 I do not think there will be a season. Time to accept reality. We are the laughing stock of the world with our covid numbers. 14 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 I expected this to happen anyway, so it is yet to be seen if the players refuse to play the preseason games. If they do, we’ll see how the NFL responds. I just hope we have a regular season. There is a lot of talk across college campuses the virtual learning may continue this fall. If so, the NFL could negotiate with the networks to expand their NFL coverage to have a Saturday, 1, 4, and 8pm Saturday games. Why, so the NFL can recuperate some of the lost $ by no fans as that is highly likely to happen with increased television revenue. It seems like almost over saturation which is why I typically don’t watch college and pro football every week as it basically puts you in front of the tv all weekend, but I understand it. Besides, the players should be all over it as they will know any additional $ means a better cap situation in 2021. They want to protect their contracts, and the ones knowing they are looking for extensions would definitely want it. Just a theory, and probably wrong, but it is possible. 2 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: I do not think there will be a season. Time to accept reality. We are the laughing stock of the world with our covid numbers. You could be right, but those owners are not going to want to lose $10 bil., so unless State Governors close their states from sports, that would be the only thing stopping them. Even then, an owner could send his team to practice and play in another state. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: I expected this to happen anyway, so it is yet to be seen if the players refuse to play the preseason games. If they do, we’ll see how the NFL responds. I just hope we have a regular season. There is a lot of talk across college campuses the virtual learning may continue this fall. If so, the NFL could negotiate with the networks to expand their NFL coverage to have a Saturday, 1, 4, and 8pm Saturday games. Why, so the NFL can recuperate some of the lost $ by no fans as that is highly likely to happen with increased television revenue. It seems like almost over saturation which is why I typically don’t watch college and pro football every week as it basically puts you in front of the tv all weekend, but I understand it. Besides, the players should be all over it as they will know any additional $ means a better cap situation in 2021. They want to protect their contracts, and the ones knowing they are looking for extensions would definitely want it. Just a theory, and probably wrong, but it is possible. You could be right, but those owners are not going to want to lose $10 bil., so unless State Governors close their states from sports, that would be the only thing stopping them. Even then, an owner could send his team to practice and play in another state. Yes but again the players would need to agree to that. Would be somewhat surprised to see them agree if a state is so bad they shut down sports to agree to leave, unless the league also agrees to move the players entire family with them. But then you're kind of giving up the "Bubble" atmosphere. Would be interesting to see how the payers would react to that, would they be willing to give up a years pay or agree to play elsewhere. Likely they'd vote no, and force the NFL to give them something back to play. Kind of like what may happen here with the pre-season games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 (edited) It's because the NFL knows that players will get Covid-19 during the preseason. If a starting QB gets it he will be out a month, this is going to be a total ***** show. No preseason, limited practices, Injuries/illness and the anthem protests, yes this will be a total ***** show. Edited July 4, 2020 by Call_Of_Ktulu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Clemson may have the right idea, 37 of their players are already positive. Get it now and be ready for September. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: Which teams have been together for awhile? The Bills are one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 30 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Clemson may have the right idea, 37 of their players are already positive. Get it now and be ready for September. I love how people want others to volunteer to get sick....who wants to get sick? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 9 minutes ago, MJS said: The Bills are one. 2-3 years is long enough to be considered a while? This is McDermott's fourth year and he has turned over most of his staff, so still typically 2-3 years for most current Bills players and staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, nucci said: I love how people want others to volunteer to get sick....who wants to get sick? Testing positive does not mean getting sick. Also, it is each players’ individual choice to make the risk to play or not. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Just now, FireChans said: Testing positive does not mean getting sick. Also, it is each players’ individual choice to make the risk to play or not. I get that but it also means they may get sick. I agree it's a big risk for some of these 350 LB linemen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddicksTDLeap Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Doesn’t this seem like a bad idea from a competitive point of view? Getting up to game speed both mentally and physically is what the preseason is for. Cancelling it seems like a sure fire way to have a lackluster first quarter of the season, with many many players getting muscle related injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penfield45 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 45 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Clemson may have the right idea, 37 of their players are already positive. Get it now and be ready for September. I think its pretty much confirmed there will be no college football this fall. Schools haven't even decided to bring students back... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: Which teams have been together for awhile? In terms of continuity of staffs and Quality rosters from the previous season(s). Especially on Offense. We are just be of those teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Just call the whole friggin thing off already. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 24 minutes ago, Penfield45 said: I think its pretty much confirmed there will be no college football this fall. Schools haven't even decided to bring students back... hasn't Michigan already declared on campus school for the coming year? I believe I've read that recently. And if they can open, with their numbers, its not doubtful that other states can/will as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 42 minutes ago, nucci said: I love how people want others to volunteer to get sick....who wants to get sick? they are not getting sick they are only testing positive - which obviously means something a lot less than it did in NY 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 51 minutes ago, nucci said: I love how people want others to volunteer to get sick....who wants to get sick? I said it somewhat in jest, but IF and that's a big IF there is collage football this fall, having 37 players already positive (and that's week old numbers) could likely give them a big edge during the season if they lose very few others while their opponents are forced to sit out 5 to 10 players each week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 2 hours ago, iinii said: This will muddy the waters. https://www.nfl.com/news/nflpa-votes-to-play-no-preseason-games-ahead-of-2020-season If they could they would vote this every year so why is this important? They would also vote for all to be paid for 2020 season and not play at all if they could. 1 hour ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Yes but again the players would need to agree to that. Would be somewhat surprised to see them agree if a state is so bad they shut down sports to agree to leave, unless the league also agrees to move the players entire family with them. But then you're kind of giving up the "Bubble" atmosphere. Would be interesting to see how the payers would react to that, would they be willing to give up a years pay or agree to play elsewhere. Likely they'd vote no, and force the NFL to give them something back to play. Kind of like what may happen here with the pre-season games. Did Bills players have to vote to play when game moved to Detroit? No. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, Limeaid said: If they could they would vote this every year so why is this important? They would also vote for all to be paid for 2020 season and not play at all if they could. Did Bills players have to vote to play when game moved to Detroit? No. You want to move the game to another state sure, but the post I was quoting stated move practices too which implies the players are saying bye bye to their families for 4 months. That's not happening without the players agreeing to it which likely results in them getting something in return. The NBA didn't just decide on their own to play all their games in Orlando, they players agreed to it. And to your first part, yes the players and owners can vote on many things, but as soon as it affects anything that the CBA dictates, you need player approval. Does the owners reducing from 4 games to 2 games require CBA approval, I have no idea, but am reasonably certain with all the other changes either already being discussed or future changes that are made, something (if not many items) will require player approval and they can easily hold the 2 game pre season as "hostage" and say no to something else. I'm certain rosters can't be reduced without CBA approval, but can they be expanded without approval, no idea, but if I were to bet, I'd take the approval required side of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Clemson may have the right idea, 37 of their players are already positive. Get it now and be ready for September. Lack of caring does not constitude a "right idea." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 36 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Did Bills players have to vote to play when game moved to Detroit? No. Oh and BTW, just read this: The schedule also remains in flux as the number of preseason games is expected to be cut from four to two, pending an agreement with the players association. Sort of sounds like they do need approval! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 A number of "agreements" are just so they do not have whining and holdouts with knowing that whatever the players do not get they will go to court for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted July 4, 2020 Author Share Posted July 4, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Limeaid said: If they could they would vote this every year so why is this important? They would also vote for all to be paid for 2020 season and not play at all if they could. Did Bills players have to vote to play when game moved to Detroit? No. Don’t hate the messenger. As I said this could muddy the waters. Seems to me no preseason could make the season last longer if it even gets that far. Sorry you don’t like the news but I highly doubt there is anything you can do to affect the situation. Popcorn, anyone? Edited July 4, 2020 by iinii Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 24 minutes ago, iinii said: Don’t hate the messenger. As I said this could muddy the waters. Seems to me no preseason could make the season last longer if it even gets that far. Sorry you don’t like the news but I highly doubt there is anything you can do to affect the situation. Popcorn, anyone? If the messenger is mouthpiece for NFLPA I do. They defend players against fines who deliberately hurt other players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Limeaid said: A number of "agreements" are just so they do not have whining and holdouts with knowing that whatever the players do not get they will go to court for. Exactly and the players would win in court, so to avoid that, they need/get their agreement upfront. And if they don't agree, they work something out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 4 hours ago, FireChans said: Testing positive does not mean getting sick. Also, it is each players’ individual choice to make the risk to play or not. Does testing positive mean you have the potential to spread the virus to someone who may get sick? In turn, does that person you spread it to also have the potential to infect others who may get sick? And so on? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
par73 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 There has been talk about moving college football to the spring. With the numbers in so many states looking so bad of late, I find it hard to see how the NFL will go off as scheduled. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted July 4, 2020 Author Share Posted July 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Limeaid said: If the messenger is mouthpiece for NFLPA I do. They defend players against fines who deliberately hurt other players. Maybe you could tweet something that will change their mind. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Another angle to this is, how bad will the officiating be? How often do we complain about the officiating? And that is when the officials have an entire training camp and preseason to get back to speed. How bad are the calls going to be with absolutely no practice. 44 minutes ago, par73 said: There has been talk about moving college football to the spring. With the numbers in so many states looking so bad of late, I find it hard to see how the NFL will go off as scheduled. If they move it to the spring I would expect the season to just be cancelled. From what I’ve seen we are looking at a vaccine by the end of this year, optimistically. Even then, it still needs to be mass produced. I doubt it can be mass produced on a scale that large before winter of 2021. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 This is going to be a mess regardless. The selfishness in me wants them to play, the realist is saying they will never finish the season. I think they’re going to do any and everything in their power to start the season but I can’t see any actual way they can finish it. Crazy times we are living in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, K-9 said: Does testing positive mean you have the potential to spread the virus to someone who may get sick? In turn, does that person you spread it to also have the potential to infect others who may get sick? And so on? Yeah. If I tested positive, I wouldn’t go near someone who could get sick. Or anyone really. If I was someone with multiple medical comorbidities, I wouldn’t go near people who test positive. Or folks who may be asymptomatic carriers. Feel like these are what all of the guidelines recommend. Edited July 4, 2020 by FireChans 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 1 hour ago, iinii said: Maybe you could tweet something that will change their mind. ???? Maybe I could but I do not use twitter since I am not a twit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 46 minutes ago, FireChans said: Yeah. If I tested positive, I wouldn’t go near someone who could get sick. Or anyone really. If I was someone with multiple medical comorbidities, I wouldn’t go near people who test positive. Or folks who may be asymptomatic carriers. Feel like these are what all of the guidelines recommend. The asymptomatic spread of this virus is the most insidious aspect of it. It’s a rarity in that regard. And that’s precisely why we can’t get complacent with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 7 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: It's because the NFL knows that players will get Covid-19 during the preseason. If a starting QB gets it he will be out a month, this is going to be a total ***** show. No preseason, limited practices, Injuries/illness and the anthem protests, yes this will be a total ***** show. It's all fun and games until your star RB gets COPD, your QBs kidneys fail and your MLB has a stroke at 21. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, MJS said: The Bills are one. together as a team? No 7 hours ago, MJS said: Edited July 4, 2020 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Not trying to be a downer, but the pandemic is going to get a whole lot worse in this country before it starts to get better. I can't imagine there will be football this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 It'll be interesting to see how many week 1 ACL tears we get if there's no pre-season to prepare for and everyone just goes 0-100% in the first game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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