HamSandwhich Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 26 minutes ago, WhoTom said: It was acceptable to the oppressors but not to the oppressed. The same is true of the word "Redskin" - it doesn't matter whether white people find it offensive or not, it is and always has been a racial slur. Slavery ended not because black people protested it, but because enough white people developed a conscience and saw it for what it was: racial oppression. The same goes for segregation. Minorities will never have enough power to change things on their own; they need allies in the majority, because the majority has the power. Curious, what does your idealist world look like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 19 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Mods decide what isn't appropriate so it's not really a slippery slope. One individual alone is unlikely to be offended by an avatar. It was a random example for context. C'mon man. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 A very useful thread, indeed... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Billieve Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 The Lobbyists has a nice ring to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 minute ago, RaoulDuke79 said: It was a random example for context. C'mon man. it wasn't a very good comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Warcodered said: it wasn't a very good comparison. Sorry to disappoint. I'll try and raise the bar next time. Honestly, no matter what I say I can't help but figure someone would find a way to pick it apart. I guess we'll go our separate ways and call it a day on this subject. Edited July 3, 2020 by RaoulDuke79 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 hour ago, inaugural balls said: How 'bout them Cowboys!! That could be a close call too..but are kids allowed , or even know about the old game i grew up with "Cowboys and indians "? Come to think of it , that must drive SJW's over the edge! The term.. the game .. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 2 hours ago, WhoTom said: If the people who respond to "Black Lives Matter" by saying "All Lives Matter" really believed that all lives matter, then they'd be outraged by the police brutality against black people. If your house is burning down, you call the fire department and ask for help. Imagine if they responded with "all houses matter." Normal person: Happy Holidays! Regressive crank: IT’S A WAR ON CHRISTMAS Normal person: ALL HOLIDAYS MATTER 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 17 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said: Curious, what does your idealist world look like? I'm not naive. I realize that perfection is not achievable, but constant improvement is, and I think we can do a whole lot better than we're currently doing. Do you really think society has reached the pinnacle - that this is the best we can be? That's awfully cynical. Or is it just that racial issues don't directly impact you, so you don't see any need to change? Because that's worse than cynical - it's heartless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) 45 minutes ago, dpberr said: Otherwise, it's a slippery slope to tyranny You think changing the name of the Redskins is a slippery slope to tyranny? I'd like to hear what your version of that world looks like. Edited July 3, 2020 by HappyDays 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, SDS said: link? It is from JEST forums. and from Washington's Twitter account: https://twitter.com/Redskins?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author Edited July 3, 2020 by Limeaid more info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 from Washington Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/07/02/fedex-redskins-name-change/ Quote In a one-sentence statement issued Thursday afternoon, Memphis-based FedEx said, “We have communicated to the team in Washington our request that they change the team name.” Even without elaboration from the company, the statement signals a dramatic pivot by one of the Redskins’ more loyal, long-standing corporate backers — a Fortune 100 company that for more than two decades has tied its brand to that of the team. The company’s request comes less than a week after a group of more than 85 investment firms and shareholders representing $620 billion in assets called on FedEx, Nike and PepsiCo to sever ties with the team unless Snyder changes its name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Chicken Boo said: Are you Native American? ...no but my late wife's side had a Native American component from French Canada............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Just change their logo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Warcodered said: When I go to work I will look through database of trademark applications applied. The good news is it will push sales of items. The funny thing is it takes over a year to get a uniform change but this will become an exception. Maybe I will spend a little money and camp on some trademarks forcing $nyder to pay me for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Punching Bag Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 hour ago, RaoulDuke79 said: Or I identify as one. Or smell fishy like rest of arguments against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 8 hours ago, JMF2006 said: I think the Cleveland Indians are getting rid of Chief Whahoo as their mascot. Are they replacing him with this? They can keep the name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Or smell fishy like rest of arguments against it. Yuk yuk yuk.....will you be here all week? Edited July 3, 2020 by RaoulDuke79 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Why can’t Snyder just say that the team name refers to the red war paint that certain Native American tribes wore. ??♂️ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsgpr88 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 hour ago, WhoTom said: As I mentioned just a few posts before this one, the term redskin initially referred to the use of red clay that certain tribes used to paint on their skin. It wasn’t always a racial slur. It was acceptable to the oppressors but not to the oppressed. The same is true of the word "Redskin" - it doesn't matter whether white people find it offensive or not, it is and always has been a racial slur. Slavery ended not because black people protested it, but because enough white people developed a conscience and saw it for what it was: racial oppression. The same goes for segregation. Minorities will never have enough power to change things on their own; they need allies in the majority, because the majority has the power. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 hour ago, BUFFALOBART said: We have been living in the middle of Tyranny for quite some time.. If we have been living in tyranny for quite some time, then I never want it to end... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Should name the team the - Broken American idiots put the Chinese Flag on the helmets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 I respect their right to change the name, and the right of their sponsors to withdraw sponsorship and force change. That being said, it’s stupid and you have to work very hard to be offended by a football teams name- but that’s where we are as a country. All that being said, as a fan of football- I love the idea of a team changing names! Never seen this before. Now I just need an expansion team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Or the AOC’s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, WhoTom said: I'm not naive. I realize that perfection is not achievable, but constant improvement is, and I think we can do a whole lot better than we're currently doing. Do you really think society has reached the pinnacle - that this is the best we can be? That's awfully cynical. Or is it just that racial issues don't directly impact you, so you don't see any need to change? Because that's worse than cynical - it's heartless. Who are the gatekeepers of what’s better and what exactly is a “whole lot better” to you? Do you think you have a moral mandate to educate others? Do you think lived experiences are more important than statistics that may show otherwise? In other words, moral relativism? Do you gravitate to group think or do you think rationally and research ideas before espousing beliefs? Edited July 3, 2020 by HamSandwhich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 https://babylonbee.com/news/redskins-to-change-name-to-lizard-people-so-theyll-fit-in-better-in-dc Washinton Lizard People sounds appealing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 3 hours ago, Warcodered said: So because you think this will somehow spread to teams whose names shouldn't have to change they shouldn't change the name of a team that should? Don’t you know that doing the right thing is a slippery slope to doing the wrong thing? 3 hours ago, RaoulDuke79 said: Whats considered offensive changes over time. It hasn't always been offensive. It's a constantly evolving meter. Slavery was an acceptable practice at one time. You’re ———> <——— this close to getting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, Billl said: Don’t you know that doing the right thing is a slippery slope to doing the wrong thing? You’re ———> <——— this close to getting it. Thank you for elaborating.......can you please what getting "it" entails? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 The Washington Swamp makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 3 hours ago, RaoulDuke79 said: Whats considered offensive changes over time. It hasn't always been offensive. It's a constantly evolving meter. Slavery was an acceptable practice at one time. 16 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said: Thank you for elaborating.......can you please what getting "it" entails? Can’t believe I need to connect these dots for you, but...as you said...slavery was an acceptable practice at one time. Using ‘what was acceptable in the past’ as a barometer for what is acceptable in the present has never worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) This country is too sensitive, but I understand the name change. Washington Washingtons. George Washington as the logo. Done. I honestly thought the Bills were named after the serial killer in silence of the lambs until about 1996. Edited July 3, 2020 by Buffalo_Stampede 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngjebrey Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Literally just spent 20 minutes searching the philosophy of William Cody in case someone tries to cancel the buffalo bills. So far, seemed like a real good guy. Aside from all the bison he massacred. PETA could make a stink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Long overdue. Chief Wahoo is mostly gone and Redskins needs to go next. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted July 3, 2020 Author Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) So, if they do change their name what do we call them when refering to them about their past? Will people start crying and throw tantrums if we say the Redskins were the first opponent the Bills played at Rich Stadium? Will people be looked upon as racists if someone slips up and call them the Redskins? I mean, Redskin appears to be a racial slur so should it now be treated like the N word? Will people lose their jobs if they say that word? And, yes...I am being totally serious about these questions. Edited July 3, 2020 by Beast 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, whatdrought said: I respect their right to change the name, and the right of their sponsors to withdraw sponsorship and force change. That being said, it’s stupid and you have to work very hard to be offended by a football teams name- but that’s where we are as a country. All that being said, as a fan of football- I love the idea of a team changing names! Never seen this before. Now I just need an expansion team! Good post. The only thing I would disagree with is the idea of the Redskins changing their name; they were one of the original teams from the pre-NFL era and have been the Redskins all along. But now we have to go changing things in our modern "enlightened" era. Edited July 3, 2020 by Happy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 hour ago, HamSandwhich said: Who are the gatekeepers of what’s better and what exactly is a “whole lot better” to you? Do you think you have a moral mandate to educate others? Do you think lived experiences are more important than statistics that may show otherwise? In other words, moral relativism? Do you gravitate to group think or do you think rationally and research ideas before espousing beliefs? I don't know what precipitated the anger in that response, but I'm sorry I triggered it. As for the thread topic, I've presented all the pertinent arguments to support my position. If you don't buy it, then that's your right. Either way, I'm done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, WhoTom said: I don't know what precipitated the anger in that response, but I'm sorry I triggered it. As for the thread topic, I've presented all the pertinent arguments to support my position. If you don't buy it, then that's your right. Either way, I'm done. What exactly made you think I’m angry? I’m just curious. I don’t understand the train of thought that you express, I’m trying to clarify your point of view to see if I can understand and perhaps adopt it if it makes sense. What is the underlying philosophy or school of thought you are ascribing to? Edited July 3, 2020 by HamSandwhich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 55 minutes ago, Billl said: Can’t believe I need to connect these dots for you, but...as you said...slavery was an acceptable practice at one time. Using ‘what was acceptable in the past’ as a barometer for what is acceptable in the present has never worked. I never said past barometers are the standard for today. This is your projection, not mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, youngjebrey said: Literally just spent 20 minutes searching the philosophy of William Cody in case someone tries to cancel the buffalo bills. So far, seemed like a real good guy. Aside from all the bison he massacred. PETA could make a stink. I also spent a lot of time reading about him after I shockingly found out the Bills weren't named after the Silence of the Lambs serial killer. Lol. But then I was like why are we named after a guy that killed Bison with no connection to the city of Buffalo? Edited July 3, 2020 by Buffalo_Stampede 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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