Chicken Boo Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 It's fascinating to see one of the greatest wideouts in history, on a Hall of Fame run, fall from grace so fast. He may get 1 more shot but this is absolutely it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 https://nypost.com/2020/07/02/antonio-brown-posts-video-of-workout-with-russell-wilson/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 I'd still have KC as the #1 in the NFL. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Jaraxxus said: Not even your boy DW and the Tay-hans? No I think Houston will be around .500 a game either way. But mainly because their D is an absolute mess. 40 minutes ago, Doc said: I'd still have KC as the #1 in the NFL. Interesting that a lot of people who have otherwise argued roster > Quarterback are now arguing Quarterback > roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted July 2, 2020 Author Share Posted July 2, 2020 (edited) On 6/30/2020 at 5:52 PM, Gugny said: Two years a row, it worked well enough to get to the playoffs and two years in a row playoff defenses shut it down. Not sustainable. The Ravens' window with Jackson at QB was small. Now it's shut. I know I'm in the minority, but I think in 5 years Jackson is a backup and Allen is a superstar. I like Jackson, and liked him coming out of college, and still enjoy watching him play. BUT...Im not that far off on this with you, but I certainly don't think Jackson will end up a backup somewhere soon, I mean I still feel he is a special talent overall. But, I do think Allen will surpass him and will be the unquestionable better QB soon. Jackson is not like some Tyrod Taylor, he's a legit starter for sure in a Vick style QB. And Vick was a dangerous starting QB until the end, even after missing so much time for being a piece of ****. So I expect Lamar, assuming he stays healthy, to be a productive starter. But like you, I am skeptical he can really be that playoff success guy when he's facing tough defenses that have the speed to limit his effectiveness. I expect some great fantasy football games from him against mediocre teams or worse, but come playoff time, not sure that style of offense can get the job done. No one like him has done it yet, never been a running QB like him win a SB. Also, lets not forget, it was only his 2nd season, and first as a full time starter and he won MVP. So backup I don't think is in his future unless some tragic injury impacts his career arc. But I do remain somewhat skeptical that his style and the Ravens style will be sustainable and effective as defenses figure him and it out more. All his regular season success will mean nothing if he keeps one and done-ing it in the playoffs. That being said, I think this will be a very telling year for Lamar's future. Last year, defenses showed at the end of the season how to start rattling the offense between SF, Bills, and playoffs. Teams will use that as a blue print this year, and the Ravens are stacked for a serious SB run. So how Lamar and the Ravens show up this year will probably tell you a lot about Lamars future in terms can his style win because he 100% has the roster and coaching around him to do it right now. Just like same can be said for Josh Allen really about this upcoming season. 21 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: No I think Houston will be around .500 a game either way. But mainly because their D is an absolute mess. Interesting that a lot of people who have otherwise argued roster > Quarterback are now arguing Quarterback > roster. KC has a pretty good roster...I mean the offense is loaded, and they retooled the defense nicely last year. And they just won the SB. And their QB is without question the better QB. So I dont think its as exaggerated as you are suggesting. On 7/1/2020 at 1:32 PM, GunnerBill said: I have Baltimore #1, KC #2 as my two AFC favs. Then a small gap to #3 Buffalo then another small gap to #4 Pittsburgh, #5 Cleveland and #6 Denver. Don't love anyone in the South. I have same rankings, except as you know KC first and Ravens 2. Otherwise, we are same on everything else. And I have 1 and 2 very close, so its like splitting hairs for me. Edited July 2, 2020 by Alphadawg7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said: KC has a pretty good roster...I mean the offense is loaded, and they retooled the defense nicely last year. And they just won the SB. And their QB is without question the better QB. So I dont think its as exaggerated as you are suggesting. I have same rankings, except as you know KC first and Ravens 2. Otherwise, we are same on everything else. And I have 1 and 2 very close, so its like splitting hairs for me. I have it close too. I think KC are better at Quarterback and I think they have more "elite players" but I also think they have starters - at linebacker, in the secondary and even a couple of spots on the oline who I would categorise as below average NFL players and other than wide receiver I don't see depth anywhere. Baltimore is less good at receiver and probably has fewer truly elite players but they are just so deep and I struggle to think of a position where their starters are below average. You could argue receiver, possibly. When I look at the lines the only Chiefs player I would definitely take and start on either Baltimore's oline or dline is Chris Jones. I could make an argument for Mitchell Schwartz at right tackle but I am an Orlando Brown fan too always have been, he was a 1st round player who went in the middle rounds because of a lousy combine. I don't think it is a huge difference but I just give the edge to Baltimore's depth and line play over KC's Quarterback and playmakers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Interesting that a lot of people who have otherwise argued roster > Quarterback are now arguing Quarterback > roster. We can debate roster, but I think the Chefs have the better overall team. And they won the SB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted July 3, 2020 Author Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I have it close too. I think KC are better at Quarterback and I think they have more "elite players" but I also think they have starters - at linebacker, in the secondary and even a couple of spots on the oline who I would categorise as below average NFL players and other than wide receiver I don't see depth anywhere. Baltimore is less good at receiver and probably has fewer truly elite players but they are just so deep and I struggle to think of a position where their starters are below average. You could argue receiver, possibly. When I look at the lines the only Chiefs player I would definitely take and start on either Baltimore's oline or dline is Chris Jones. I could make an argument for Mitchell Schwartz at right tackle but I am an Orlando Brown fan too always have been, he was a 1st round player who went in the middle rounds because of a lousy combine. I don't think it is a huge difference but I just give the edge to Baltimore's depth and line play over KC's Quarterback and playmakers. Yeah I dont really disagree with any of this, but it’s the elite players and QB edge that keep KC narrowly out front for me. But basically I agree with everything you said Edited July 3, 2020 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted July 3, 2020 Author Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) UPDATE: Twitter has AB going to the Texans trending tonight. Trying to find anything that can validate it as true and not just a rumor. Edited July 3, 2020 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: UPDATE: Twitter has AB going to the Texans tonight. Trying to find anything that can validate it as true and not just a rumor. Clearly much more of a team player than Hopkins.?♂️ 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) Edited July 3, 2020 by Warcodered 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 My boys made me watch family guy for awhile, and was absolutely irreverent and hilarious. I love the O’Brien reference. Now that would be funny AB going there. Let the circus begin with that clown as the coach. Good one Warcodered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 8 hours ago, Doc said: We can debate roster, but I think the Chefs have the better overall team. And they won the SB. They did, but I think the Ravens upgrades to their roster since January have squeezed them ahead. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
major Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 AB is in town with a few days to kill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Is he even eligible to play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) Not sure Lamar/Roman can dominate a good, well coached Cover 3. Lamar is a pretty good short ball passer, especially to the flats and away from the middle of the field, but they are still heavily run dependant so if you can shut it down or limit it substantially (as the Bills were able to do) Lamar winds up with a lot more on his plate and can struggle. To me Lamar, great as he is in the Ravens O, is still more of a "system" QB than PM (until he proves otherwise). Edited July 3, 2020 by starrymessenger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 2 hours ago, starrymessenger said: Not sure Lamar/Roman can dominate a good, well coached Cover 3. Lamar is a pretty good short ball passer, especially to the flats and away from the middle of the field, but they are still heavily run dependant so if you can shut it down or limit it substantially (as the Bills were able to do) Lamar winds up with a lot more on his plate and can struggle. To me Lamar, great as he is in the Ravens O, is still more of a "system" QB than PM (until he proves otherwise). Eh? Lamar is a much better middle of the field passer than to the outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 4 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Eh? Lamar is a much better middle of the field passer than to the outside. I may have misread my source (I will check) but if you are right then my point is more relevant since the short outside is what you give up in Cover 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornAgainBillsFan Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 21 minutes ago, starrymessenger said: I may have misread my source (I will check) but if you are right then my point is more relevant since the short outside is what you give up in Cover 3. I'm not football junkie enough to know for sure, but I did hear that he has the arm to throw outside the numbers. He's just reluctant to do so. If that continues, DCs are going to be able to focus on his tendencies, and limit what he can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Still not clear on title. Is AB interested in playing again this year? or Are teams interested in AB's services? A shame really, AB deep sixed his own career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 17 minutes ago, BornAgainBillsFan said: I'm not football junkie enough to know for sure, but I did hear that he has the arm to throw outside the numbers. He's just reluctant to do so. If that continues, DCs are going to be able to focus on his tendencies, and limit what he can do. Gunner was right. I think I knew but somehow managed to forget that Lamar has had problems throwing outside the numbers. Meanwhile hitting his TEs over the middle has been bread and butter. Needless to say this has been analysed in detail. Again I don't remember the comments (it's offseason I guess) as to the reasons for it. Lamar certainly has the arm to throw downfield but I'm not sure about zip on power throws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 That team makes the worst personnel decisions over and over again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 6 hours ago, starrymessenger said: I may have misread my source (I will check) but if you are right then my point is more relevant since the short outside is what you give up in Cover 3. Yep absolutely. That is what the Bills did to Baltimore and other teams have copied since. If you can bottle up the traditional run game with Ingram and flood the passing lanes in the middle and force Lamar to throw routinely outside of the numbers then you can hold them down somewhat. Easier said than done mind you, the Bills were assignment perfect except for one play and Jackson exposed them that one play for the long catch and run touchdown to the tight end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 18 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Easier said than done mind you, the Bills were assignment perfect except for one play and Jackson exposed them that one play for the long catch and run touchdown to the tight end. That was just stupid. Biggest reason why Jackson will comeback down to earth is plays like that. Jackson had a 9.0 TD%. That's not sustainable. Only two other players since the 1970 merger have posted a 9.0+ TD%, Peyton and Rodgers. Jackson had three games where he posted 5 TDs each on 20, 20 and 23 attempts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: That was just stupid. Biggest reason why Jackson will comeback down to earth is plays like that. Jackson had a 9.0 TD%. That's not sustainable. Only two other players since the 1970 merger have posted a 9.0+ TD%, Peyton and Rodgers. Jackson had three games where he posted 5 TDs each on 20, 20 and 23 attempts. Yea he won't maintain that TD% but when a team can run it down your throats up and down the field it makes you defend the run with your bigger bodies in the redzone and Baltimore took advantage of that. I maintain a big part of holding them down is stopping the traditional elements of their run game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Brown is likely due a suspension if/when he is signed by a team, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 19 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: Brown is likely due a suspension if/when he is signed by a team, no? Very likely... unless he were to go back to the Patriots. Then no suspension, plus a bonus compensatory 3rd round pick for the Pats. 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 Retiring (again) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyal2dagame Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 43 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Retiring (again) So he's off his meds again? Or is he taking an alternate "medication"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Retiring (again) 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 27 minutes ago, loyal2dagame said: So he's off his meds again? Or is he taking an alternate "medication"? Retiring to be Kanye’s running mate 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 As my grandma said, don’t go away mad, just go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 Anyone good at setting up those 10 X 10 grid pools? Date and name of next team he's negotiating with. $5 a square. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 23 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: As my grandma said, don’t go away mad, just go away. Your grandma was Vince Neil?!? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 No, but I stayed at Hilton last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Retiring (again) What's crazy is two years ago at this time I thought he had a chance at catching Rice's records. He could've been in the discussion as the greatest ever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 Just now, Doc Brown said: What's crazy is two years ago at this time I thought he had a chance at catching Rice's records. He could've been in the discussion as the greatest ever. He was the best player in football. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 AB came out with a music video with Rick Ross... Lets just say he shouldn't be a rapper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 2 hours ago, machine gun kelly said: As my grandma said, don’t go away mad, just go away. Your grandma is Vince Neil? 2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: Your grandma was Vince Neil?!? Dammit! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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