Davis Webb running the FL workouts?

[BBILL12]

6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Honestly, the coaches have nothing to do with these workouts. These guys are professionals. They work at their craft. I’ve been working from home for almost the last 3 months. No one has to call me to tell me what to do. I understand the expectation of my job. I understand how to do the job. This is no different.

Exactly this. What we are seeing is Leadership from the people who should be leaders on the team. 

[Rochesterfan]

1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

 

I agree with both of you guys.  I would be amazed if teams don't have a section of the team tablet with "suggestions" on off season training, workouts,

diet, etc along with a "how to" section for group workouts.  None of this would go against the CBA rules.  Plus these guys have been through

training camps and practices to know how it's done.  It even makes the rumors of Webb running the sessions even more likely.

Exactly.

We know that each player at the end of the year gets lists of things to work on (plays, gameplans, food/nutrition, workout, etc.) and my guess that includes a ton of plays they want “memorized” for TC and OTAs.  They also get a bunch of food and nutrition guidelines individualized for each player.  None of that is against the CBA.

 

I do not believe for a second though that SM would provide them with any specific directions for working out together or handling these types of interactions.  This is something the players (guys that have been through this) put together.  They go through some verbiage to get guys on the same page and hit a bunch of routes on the route tree.  There did not appear to be anything specific or hardcore they were doing.
 

My guess would be afterwards that sit around with some drinks and watch a bit of the video shots and talk a bit about what they need to do, but my guess is none of the planning is directed out of Bills headquarters.  Now I also would not be surprised if a copy of that ends up back at One Bills Drive for SM an the offensive staff to review so they have some idea of how these guys are operating.  They probably will also talk to the guys as the OTAs start and give a few new pointers and ideas based on what you can see.

Edited May 31, 2020 by Rochesterfan

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

We know that each player at the end of the year gets lists of things to work on (plays, gameplans, food/nutrition, workout, etc.) and my guess that includes a ton of plays they want “memorized” for TC and OTAs.  They also get a bunch of food and nutrition guidelines individualized for each player.  None of that is against the CBA.

 

I do not believe for a second though that SM would provide them with any specific directions for working out together or handling these types of interactions.  This is something the players (guys that have been through this) put together.  They go through some verbiage to get guys on the same page and hit a bunch of routes on the route tree.  There did not appear to be anything specific or hardcore they were doing.
 

My guess would be afterwards that sit around with some drinks and watch a bit of the video shots and talk a bit about what they need to do, but my guess is none of the planning is directed out of Bills headquarters.  Now I also would not be surprised if a copy of that ends up back at One Bills Drive for SM an the offensive staff to review so they have some idea of how these guys are operating.  They probably will also talk to the guys as the OTAs start and give a few new pointers and ideas based on what you can see.

I think that my favorite thing about these type of workouts is peer accountability. You don’t want to be the guy that shows up out of shape. 

[Rochesterfan]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I think that my favorite thing about these type of workouts is peer accountability. You don’t want to be the guy that shows up out of shape. 

Exactly - my guess is it also gets a bit of competitive juices flowing - guys want to be in better shape, guys want to know routes, and most importantly they all see the level of some of these newer guys and realize they have to step up their game.

 

This could be great for a guy like Foster or McKenzie to see just how much competition the WRs will have.

[buffaloboyinATL]

6 hours ago, wppete said:

 Cant believe we even talking about a tough QB cut in training camp. Such a good feeling that we have our franchise guy and 3 solid backups with promise. 

Right?  I remember the days where we were still adding QB’s during training camp and giving them first team reps.  

[JohnBonhamRocks]

2 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Nobody’s trading anything for Barkley.?

 

Just like nobody would trade anything for AJ McCarron, Marshall Newhouse, Wyatt Teller, or Russell Bodine?

[Doc]

30 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

All it takes is someone being cut and talking to reporter or coach on new team.

 

No one's getting cut until the final cuts at the end of pre-season.

[ColoradoBills]

11 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

Right?  I remember the days where we were still adding QB’s during training camp and giving them first team reps.  

 

I'm "learning" to forget those days!

 

[boater]

6 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said:

   I wonder how much the coaching staff was actually in on this. 
  
 

I could be wrong -- but I'm pretty certain club involvement in off-season practices where players voluntarily get together is strictly forbidden by the collective bargaining agreement with the NFLPA.

 

I mean like seriously forbidden. Like losing draft picks forbidden.

[dezertbill]

Kinda reiterates how players know their roles with the team, and using that to earn their spot.  Because Davis is a "team" player and is an asset as an extra coach, it makes him more valuable than another back up who isn't as "team" oriented.

[NYGPopgun10]

The Davis Webb?!?! I thought he was out of the league. 

[mykidsdad]

If Zay catches a pass Barkley wins the Pats game for us.

[Royale with Cheese]

He’s got the most Caucasian name ever.

[bigK14094]

7 hours ago, eball said:

 

I don’t think I’d say Barkley “has promise” but Webb and Fromm certainly do.  The tough call for McD and Beane is because Barkley and Josh are clearly very good friends.  It remains to be seen just what they value in the QB room the most but if Webb and Fromm are just as much “good guys” as Barkley we could see a change.

Its a tough call because these are the same guys who kept the guy from Pitt and started him a few times.  Lets hope they can see whats going on here this time. (Peterman)

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[wppete]

1 hour ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

Right?  I remember the days where we were still adding QB’s during training camp and giving them first team reps.  

 

[Spiderweb]

8 hours ago, wppete said:

 

Yeah i agree with Barkley, not a whole lot of promise but he is still fairly young, extremely smart guy and he is great friends with josh off the field. they are always together. Is Webb eligible for the practice roster? Jake Fromm wont last a second if we waive him and attempt to sing him on the practice roster. Should be an exciting battle for backup QB.

Not so sure we care if Fromm moves on. Worth a flyer, but I don't believe in his arm...

[Augie]

1 hour ago, boater said:

I could be wrong -- but I'm pretty certain club involvement in off-season practices where players voluntarily get together is strictly forbidden by the collective bargaining agreement with the NFLPA.

 

I mean like seriously forbidden. Like losing draft picks forbidden.

 

So.......what you’re saying is.....the Patriots* have to be extra sneaky???

[wppete]

1 hour ago, Spiderweb said:

Not so sure we care if Fromm moves on. Worth a flyer, but I don't believe in his arm...

Fromm is going to be in this roster for a minimum of 4 years that’s gauranteed. 

[BillsNutHawaii]

9 hours ago, Victory Formation said:

You keep Barkley and Fromm, Webb is out.... Josh Allen was noticeably better after we signed Matt Barkley. Barkley has been in the league 7 or 8 years now and has lots of experience which Webb and Fromm have none of. I think Barkley could have been a good starter in the league if he had a better arm... Anyways, you keep Barkley around to mentor Fromm and to backup Josh if he goes down.

 

You can keep 4 QB’s on the roster, as has been done before, but I get it - you pay a price as a team.

 

 

[MJS]

5 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said:

Not being naive or homer-ish but this team doesn’t show any signs of player vs coach strife.

The Bills seem like a “ team” in the sense of the SuperBowl era where everyone is on the same page.

My original question wasn’t suggesting anything more than a “ check in” between Webb and Roman and/ or a position coach or two. A quick chat without a bunch of specificity.

I would be Shocked  if anyone at these workouts narced out a coach. I can clearly imagine Allen or Webb reminding everyone to keep it on the down low if any coach input was discussed.

That's super shady. I'm sure they want to all follow the rules and would not appreciate it if coaches tried to break the rules.

[Victory Formation]

38 minutes ago, BillsNutHawaii said:

 

You can keep 4 QB’s on the roster, as has been done before, but I get it - you pay a price as a team.

 

 

Would it be worth it though? I’d rather use that extra spot on WR and realistically what does Webb bring that Allen, Barkley and Fromm don’t? Allen is the guy it looks like going forward, Barkley is the teacher and Fromm is the learner. 

[Doc]

They're not keeping 4 QB's on the roster.  Even 3 is a stretch.  Webb would be a PS guy at best.

[letsgoteam]

So Davis Webb was in all of the QB meetings last year after he joined the team even though he was on the PS.

 

Id say he is back on the PS, and the Bills roll with 3 on the main roster. I cant see Barkley being cut and going down the same road when Peterman was the backup. If you remember how much BB said he regretted not getting Derek Anderson in at the beginning of the year. Now his contract expires after this year, all bets are off. Fromm might have potential but I cant see them making the same mistake with so much ridding on this upcoming season.

[Doc]

5 minutes ago, letsgoteam said:

So Davis Webb was in all of the QB meetings last year after he joined the team even though he was on the PS.

 

Id say he is back on the PS, and the Bills roll with 3 on the main roster. I cant see Barkley being cut and going down the same road when Peterman was the backup. If you remember how much BB said he regretted not getting Derek Anderson in at the beginning of the year. Now his contract expires after this year, all bets are off. Fromm might have potential but I cant see them making the same mistake with so much ridding on this upcoming season.

 

I wonder if Barkley would agree to be on the PS?  Now you can have 2 players on the PS with any number of games played/accrued seasons.  You get the benefit of having him around with the team without having to use a roster spot on him.  And I doubt anyone else signs him if he's cut.

[BuffaloBillsMagic1]

I thought Webb was going to be the heir apparent to Eli Manning in NY as supposedly he was rated very high during his rookie year and out of college.  Kid looked good to me in preseason games when I have seen him a few times.

[letsgoteam]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

I wonder if Barkley would agree to be on the PS?  Now you can have 2 players on the PS with any number of games played/accrued seasons.  You get the benefit of having him around with the team without having to use a roster spot on him.  And I doubt anyone else signs him if he's cut.

In that scenario, is DW on the 53 or what does the QB roster look like in this situation.

[Doc]

6 minutes ago, letsgoteam said:

In that scenario, is DW on the 53 or what does the QB roster look like in this situation.

 

So it would be Josh and Fromm on the active roster (assuming Fromm looks good enough to keep) and DW and Barkley on the PS.  DW hasn't appeared in a single game so he's easy to put on the PS.  Barkley would be able to get 1 of 2 spots for someone like him, but it's a huge pay cut, but better than not getting paid at all like he would be if they cut him.  Of course, this is all assuming that PS players can be on the sidelines during games, i.e. so Barkley can give Josh advice.  If not then all bets are off.

[letsgoteam]

13 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

So it would be Josh and Fromm on the active roster (assuming Fromm looks good enough to keep) and DW and Barkley on the PS.  DW hasn't appeared in a single game so he's easy to put on the PS.  Barkley would be able to get 1 of 2 spots for someone like him, but it's a huge pay cut, but better than not getting paid at all like he would be if they cut him.  Of course, this is all assuming that PS players can be on the sidelines during games, i.e. so Barkley can give Josh advice.  If not then all bets are off.

His salary might be an issue. He is currently making 2 mil a yr, I dont know how much he can make on the PS.

[Doc]

4 minutes ago, letsgoteam said:

His salary might be an issue. He is currently making 2 mil a yr, I dont know how much he can make on the PS.

 

Actually I looked it up and a PS player can be paid anything.  And his salary counts against the cap.

[letsgoteam]

9 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Actually I looked it up and a PS player can be paid anything.  And his salary counts against the cap.

Interesting. I wonder what MB would think of something like that. He does seem like a team player, and could be put back on the roster if JA got hurt. He wouldnt normally play in a game anyways in a perfect world (unless its mop up duty) ?

[Doc]

3 minutes ago, letsgoteam said:

Interesting. I wonder what MB would think of something like that. He does seem like a team player, and could be put back on the roster if JA got hurt. He wouldnt normally play in a game anyways in a perfect world (unless its mop up duty) ?

 

Team player or not, if the team were to cut him, he'd probably be out of the league.  So it's either take their offer or no more money.

[letsgoteam]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Team player or not, if the team were to cut him, he'd probably be out of the league.  So it's either take their offer or no more money.

Yea thats quite possible, its interesting to see the fine line of what is a backup QB across the league and being out of the league. For example Alex Tanney is still in the league. 

[letsgoteam]

6 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

It is even easier to put Fromm on PS and pay him full salary.   Bills had a RB (Williams?) on PS and Denver signed him and then paid him full salary so he would remain on PS and not take other offers.

I remember that.

[Doc]

7 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

It is even easier to put Fromm on PS and pay him full salary.   Bills had a RB (Williams?) on PS and Denver signed him and then paid him full salary so he would remain on PS and not take other offers.

 

If Fromm looks competent enough, you risk losing him if you cut him and try to sneak him onto the PS.  Not worth the risk in that case.

 

As for Jonathan Williams, the Bills actually cut him.  I don't know if their intention was to put him on the PS when the Broncos claimed him but yes they paid him his $510K salary to be on the PS, which is more than most get.  But to a team to sign him from the PS to their roster would have been a pay raise so there was little danger there.

[Doc]

6 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

Well for Fromm their positions are very similar.  Both were 5th late round picks drafted by a team for "value" and likely not to play much.  

I was just giving an option the Bills could use although the PS did not work out well for Williams except his bank account.

 

					Games		Rushing								Receiving											Total Yds
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Rush	Yds	TD	1D	Lng	Y/A	Y/G	A/G	Tgt	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	1D	Lng	R/G	Y/G	Ctch%	Y/Tgt	Touch	Y/Tch	YScm	RRTD	Fmb	AV
2016	22	BUF		31	11	0	27	94	1	6	20	3.5	8.5	2.5	2	1	0	0.0	0	0	0	0.1	0.0	50.0%	0.0	28	3.4	94	1	2	1
2018	24	NOR		32	3	0	3	0	0		1	0.0	0.0	1.0	1	1	1	1.0	0		1	0.3	0.3	100.0%	1.0	4	0.3	1	0	0	0
2019	25	IND		33	9	1	49	235	1	13	48	4.8	26.1	5.4	5	5	59	11.8	0	3	31	0.6	6.6	100.0%	11.8	54	5.4	294	1	0	2

 

Their draft positions are similar, but the positions they play are very different.  Which is why you take the cautious approach with Fromm, again if he shows he's worth developing.

[BillsNutHawaii]

2 hours ago, Victory Formation said:

Would it be worth it though? I’d rather use that extra spot on WR and realistically what does Webb bring that Allen, Barkley and Fromm don’t? Allen is the guy it looks like going forward, Barkley is the teacher and Fromm is the learner. 

 

I’m just speaking from a general standpoint, (not just Bills).  It would be worth it (to hold 4 QBs) if the talent at QB (or any position) is commensurate with holding a spot on the roster.  Anyway, just saying a team, any team, can hold 4 QB’s, (see pats and Tom Brady - year 2000).  Belicheck didn’t want to hold 4 Qbs but made the sacrifice - and it paid off.  Anyway, I’m quite happy with our QB room now.  

[Doc]

10 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

Well if you want to compare QBs Davis Webb was a 3rd round QB cut in first year.  Fromm needs development time if he is going to succeed and if PS is the best way to get it, being elevated to regular squad occasionally using new rules, Bills ought to consider it.  He will not make a difference this year.

 

I've already laid this out for you Limeaid.  Again Barkley can be placed on the PS and elevated during game days now.  That allows for Fromm to still be developed, but on the active roster, and without potentially losing him when the Bills cut him to try and put him on the PS.

[MJS]

4 hours ago, Doc said:

 

I wonder if Barkley would agree to be on the PS?  Now you can have 2 players on the PS with any number of games played/accrued seasons.  You get the benefit of having him around with the team without having to use a roster spot on him.  And I doubt anyone else signs him if he's cut.

No way he still has practice squad eligibility.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

17 hours ago, eball said:

Read that interesting tidbit in an article on the front page this morning.  Players talking about how detailed and knowledgeable Webb is in multiple offenses, and how he basically organized and ran the practices.  We might have a dark horse candidate for backup QB who was already on the roster.

 

Probably the end of Barkley.

 

 

16 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said:

   I wonder how much the coaching staff was actually in on this. 
  

 

 

Hopefully a lot of it

 

 

[JaBu]

10 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

He’s got the most Caucasian name ever.

 

You mean just like Anthony Jerome "Spud" Webb? Oh wait... ?

 

 

 

Edited June 1, 2020 by jabu