Flacco to the Jets on a one year deal...

[Happy]

4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

What good is durability if the guy who’s durable absolutely blows? ?

 

If your backup didn't at lease somewhat blow, he would be a starter somewhere else.  See Nick Foles.  Both Barkley and Flacco suck at this point; Barkley is more durable, but Flacco has demonstrated that he can perform in big situations.  Most likely Barkley will be here this year and that is it; the coaching staff needs him to hold down the fort and help bring Fromm along.

[GunnerBill]

16 minutes ago, Happy said:

 

If your backup didn't at lease somewhat blow, he would be a starter somewhere else.  See Nick Foles.  Both Barkley and Flacco suck at this point; Barkley is more durable, but Flacco has demonstrated that he can perform in big situations.  Most likely Barkley will be here this year and that is it; the coaching staff needs him to hold down the fort and help bring Fromm along.

 

In what world does Flacco suck as bad as Barkley? There is literally no evidence to support that. 

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Gugny said:

 

I don't understand this sentiment.

 

Didn't we learn what bringing a QB in his mid-30s who hadn't played meaningful football in a while got us?  Derek Anderson was about one decent hit from saying, "eff this, man."  

 

And so is Flacco.  He's 35.  He's coming off of a serious injury.  He hasn't played since the middle of last year.  This guy got sacked 26 times in 8 games.

 

Is Matt Barkley great, or even good?  Nah.  But neither is Flacco and Flacco is an old statue who's one hit away from being done for good.

 

So is either great solution if a long-term backup is needed?  No.  But I'd take 2020 Barkley over 2020 Flacco any day of the week.

 

 

That's because 2020 Barkely is, by a millions miles, better than any other vintage of Matt Barkley so far.....

[Happy]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

In what world does Flacco suck as bad as Barkley? There is literally no evidence to support that. 

 

Where did I say that?  Try reading a least a few posts up and you'll see my preference as to Flacco vs Barkley for backup.

[Doc]

2 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

If a Flacco is in major decline then what is Barkley?

 

Not coming off neck surgery a year after leading his team to a 2-6 record.  That's not even the "expected .500" people talk about WRT back up QB.

 

Again if you want to talk about adding any other QB to replace Barkley, fine.

[GunnerBill]

40 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Not coming off neck surgery a year after leading his team to a 2-6 record.  That's not even the "expected .500" people talk about WRT back up QB.

 

Again if you want to talk about adding any other QB to replace Barkley, fine.

 

I'm sorry Flacco even now playing as he did in Denver is better than Barkley.

[Doc]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

I'm sorry Flacco even now playing as he did in Denver is better than Barkley.

 

We'll agree to disagree.  And the neck injury makes him a non-player for me.

[GunnerBill]

21 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

We'll agree to disagree.  And the neck injury makes him a non-player for me.

 

The neck surgery would have to cause another significant deterioration for him to be a worse QB than Barkley. Will it? Possibly. If it doesn't he is still a better bet. 

[Doc]

25 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

The neck surgery would have to cause another significant deterioration for him to be a worse QB than Barkley. Will it? Possibly. If it doesn't he is still a better bet. 

 

Not worth finding out.  I'd give Blake Bortles a look.

[GunnerBill]

41 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Not worth finding out.  I'd give Blake Bortles a look.

 

So would I. As you will recall my argument was never really about the Bills. It was about guys who have shown they can play being on the street while guys who have shown they can't are on rosters in backup spots. Once Cam and Blake are signed and more "nice guy" scrubs have been kicked to the curb I will stop complaining. 

[Rocky Landing]

If the NFL had a normal offseason, and training camp, it's not unlikely that Fromm would be our backup come September. Could still happen.

[BillsFan17]

19 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

It's not his job to "be a mentor".... he's there to compete and if Darnold goes down step in and play.

 

Anyone who'd take Barkley over him is being a homer. 

I never mentioned Barkley or who of the two was a better backup.

 

All I did was speak to the idea that Flacco is in no way looking to be a mentor. As some have stated it was a good pickup to have a veteran help Darnold.

 

Seems like the case you are trying to make was off the wrong post, sorry.

[Doc]

4 hours ago, BillsFan17 said:

I never mentioned Barkley or who of the two was a better backup.

 

All I did was speak to the idea that Flacco is in no way looking to be a mentor. As some have stated it was a good pickup to have a veteran help Darnold.

 

Seems like the case you are trying to make was off the wrong post, sorry.

 

I disagree.  Maybe last year I would agree, but I think he realizes the end is near and that's why he took such a paltry salary.  Again they drafted a QB in the 4th round who, if he shows anything, they'll have to keep on the roster and will likely want to play if the team isn't in the running for the playoffs. 

[BillsFan17]

15 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I disagree.  Maybe last year I would agree, but I think he realizes the end is near and that's why he took such a paltry salary.  Again they drafted a QB in the 4th round who, if he shows anything, they'll have to keep on the roster and will likely want to play if the team isn't in the running for the playoffs. 

35, best years are far behind him,  twice had QBs taken in the first two rounds while he was on the roster as the "starter," coming off a serious surgery, etc... that speaks more to why Flacco was given the compensation that he was than a sudden shift in his mentality.

 

“I’ve got so many things to worry about,” Flacco said. “I’m trying to go out there and play good football. I’m trying to go out there and play the best football of my life. As far as a time constraint and all stuff, I’m not worried about developing guys or any of that. ...

“I hope [Lock] does develop. But I don’t look at that as my job. My job is to go win football games for this football team.”

 

If nothing else it's more paramount than ever to try and find a situation that could offer an opportunity to play. 

[Doc]

19 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said:

35, best years are far behind him,  twice had QBs taken in the first two rounds while he was on the roster as the "starter," coming off a serious surgery, etc... that speaks more to why Flacco was given the compensation that he was than a sudden shift in his mentality.

 

“I’ve got so many things to worry about,” Flacco said. “I’m trying to go out there and play good football. I’m trying to go out there and play the best football of my life. As far as a time constraint and all stuff, I’m not worried about developing guys or any of that. ...

“I hope [Lock] does develop. But I don’t look at that as my job. My job is to go win football games for this football team.”

 

If nothing else it's more paramount than ever to try and find a situation that could offer an opportunity to play. 

 

Again, last year is last year.  He still probably felt he had something to offer.  Then he went 2-6, got sacked 26 times in that half season, and just had neck surgery that will keep him out until just before the season.  I think for him, getting any money at this point, even if it's just to mentor, is what's in his best interest, given a guy like Newton is still unsigned. 

 

And again, if I'm the Jets and Darnold goes down for awhile, I'm putting the rookie in.  Flacco's not the future and if Darnold keeps getting injured, he might not be as well, so might as well see what the rookie has to offer.

[BillsFan17]

5 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Again, last year is last year.  He still probably felt he had something to offer.  Then he went 2-6, got sacked 26 times in that half season, and just had neck surgery that will keep him out until just before the season.  I think for him, getting any money at this point, even if it's just to mentor, is what's in his best interest, given a guy like Newton is still unsigned. 

 

And again, if I'm the Jets and Darnold goes down for awhile, I'm putting the rookie in.  Flacco's not the future and if Darnold keeps getting injured, he might not be as well, so might as well see what the rookie has to offer.

Thats conjecture based on what you think his mindset SHOULD be. What we can go on is what he most recently stated. Yes, things could have changed, surely, but until he him self says otherwise...

[njbuff]

The short history tells us that Flacco will see the field for the Jets in 2020.

 

Either way, the Jets have one of the least talented rosters in the entire NFL and are a team in the running in the "Tank for Trevor" sweepstakes..................

 

even if they like Darnold or not.

 

The Jets, on paper, are about as piss poor as it gets.

[ColoradoBills]

 

Barkley/Flacco comparisons are nothing but a "tempest in a teacup" and both probably won't even be in the league next year.

 

The Bills have drafted their hope for a future backup this year.  Signing Flacco who can't even practice until late in the offseason 

would of been a stupid move for the Bills.

 

The Jets can do whatever they want and if Flacco plays against the Bills this year it should be fun.

His game has fallen off a cliff.

[C.Biscuit97]

22 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Not coming off neck surgery a year after leading his team to a 2-6 record.  That's not even the "expected .500" people talk about WRT back up QB.

 

Again if you want to talk about adding any other QB to replace Barkley, fine.

We’re still doing win loss records for qbs?  Dear lord.  
 

there is no human being besides Barkley’s family and Bills fans who are completely biased who think he is better than Flacco.  Our qb has a career 65 qb rating.  That’s beyond awful.  
 

but for some reason in a billion dollar business, being a nice guy is more important than actual talent.  This team will regret settling at the qb position if Allen gets hurt.  

[Gugny]

11 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

We’re still doing win loss records for qbs?  Dear lord.  
 

there is no human being besides Barkley’s family and Bills fans who are completely biased who think he is better than Flacco.  Our qb has a career 65 qb rating.  That’s beyond awful.  
 

but for some reason in a billion dollar business, being a nice guy is more important than actual talent.  This team will regret settling at the qb position if Allen gets hurt.  

 

i don't think anyone is arguing that Flacco's career was leaps and bounds better than Barkley's career.

 

But I do think that 2020 Barkley would be the more trustworthy QB over 2020 Flacco.  I'll be surprised if he gets through preseason, actually.  He's damaged goods.

[Doc]

5 hours ago, BillsFan17 said:

Thats conjecture based on what you think his mindset SHOULD be. What we can go on is what he most recently stated. Yes, things could have changed, surely, but until he him self says otherwise...

 

He was making $17M to be brought in to be the starter for the Broncos.  A year, a 2-6 record, and a serious neck injury later and...

 

5 hours ago, njbuff said:

The short history tells us that Flacco will see the field for the Jets in 2020.

 

Either way, the Jets have one of the least talented rosters in the entire NFL and are a team in the running in the "Tank for Trevor" sweepstakes..................

 

even if they like Darnold or not.

 

The Jets, on paper, are about as piss poor as it gets.

 

All the more reason to play the rookie if/when Darnold goes down.  And have Flacco mentor him.

 

4 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

We’re still doing win loss records for qbs?  Dear lord.  
 

there is no human being besides Barkley’s family and Bills fans who are completely biased who think he is better than Flacco.  Our qb has a career 65 qb rating.  That’s beyond awful.  
 

but for some reason in a billion dollar business, being a nice guy is more important than actual talent.  This team will regret settling at the qb position if Allen gets hurt.  

 

Yeah.  That's pretty much all it's about CB.  As in "if Josh goes down, can the backup QB win enough games to not kill the season."

 

3 hours ago, Gugny said:

i don't think anyone is arguing that Flacco's career was leaps and bounds better than Barkley's career.

 

But I do think that 2020 Barkley would be the more trustworthy QB over 2020 Flacco.  I'll be surprised if he gets through preseason, actually.  He's damaged goods.

 

That's the thing.  He won't even be cleared until pre-season is over.  That means not having played meaningful football in 10 months by the time he's cleared, no time to practice/jell with teammates, and then there's still the neck injury.

Edited May 26, 2020 by Doc

[FLFan]

This whole argument of Flacco vs. Barkley seems to me to be about which mediocre option would be best.  Neither is the right answer.   Beyond that I really do not care which one.  This really comes down to if Allen gets hurt, would I rather be kicked in the crotch or hit in the head with a brick. Both would hurt, both could kill you, and beyond that, it just depends.  For my money right now, at least Barkley knows the system and is comfortable with his role with Josh.  I fall on the side of known quantity.  Flacco may have once been a better QB, but that is certainly highly questionable now.  

[KD in CA]

When guys dream of going out on top, they don't image winding down their career as a backup for the dog-ass Jets.

[BillsFan17]

2 hours ago, Doc said:

 

He was making $17M to be brought in to be the starter for the Broncos.  A year, a 2-6 record, and a serious neck injury later and...

 

 

All the more reason to play the rookie if/when Darnold goes down.  And have Flacco mentor him.

 

 

Yeah.  That's pretty much all it's about CB.  As in "if Josh goes down, can the backup QB win enough games to not kill the season."

 

 

That's the thing.  He won't even be cleared until pre-season is over.  That means not having played meaningful football in 10 months by the time he's cleared, no time to practice/jell with teammates, and then there's still the neck injury.

Dude you are simply going off conjecture, and insist on replying like your conjecture is some sort of inevitable career arch.

[Doc]

1 hour ago, BillsFan17 said:

Dude you are simply going off conjecture, and insist on replying like your conjecture is some sort of inevitable career arch.

 

Jets’ Joe Flacco wants to serve as Sam Darnold’s mentor

 

This article says he might not even be ready by the start of the season.  Now it does say he wants to continue to play, but every player at the end of his career says this. 

[YoloinOhio]

What is the point of this contract. He doesn’t even know the offense. What kind of “mentoring” does Sam need from him. Flacco’s body language on the field makes Jay Cutler look like a poised, inspired leader.

 

Edited May 27, 2020 by YoloinOhio

[Gugny]

44 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

What is the point of this contract. He doesn’t even know the offense. What kind of “mentoring” does Sam need from him. Flacco’s body language on the field makes Jay Cutler look like a poised, inspired leader.

 

Agree 100%.  The dude is toast.  Just another Jesty move by the Gase-led Jets.

 

Amazing how anyone thinks Flacco would be an upgrade over anyone, let alone Barkley.

 

Some people are just Bills fans who love to hate the Bills.  Blah.

[Mountain Man]

So you have a guy with zero mobility who won't be fit for season start behind a terrible O line and wasn't re-signed at a team that needed a veteran mentor for a young QB. 

 

Yeah, brilliant signing that. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

7 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

What is the point of this contract. He doesn’t even know the offense. What kind of “mentoring” does Sam need from him. Flacco’s body language on the field makes Jay Cutler look like a poised, inspired leader.

 

 

Clearly a better choice than Barkley. :Lol:

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

On 5/22/2020 at 4:02 PM, JoeF said:

I think he assessed his options and picked the most physically fragile starter..honestly...

 

This  v

8 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

What is the point of this contract. He doesn’t even know the offense. What kind of “mentoring” does Sam need from him. Flacco’s body language on the field makes Jay Cutler look like a poised, inspired leader.

 

 

The season is "shortened" as it is... Is claiming not to be ready a good thing?  Well unless you are there just to get a paycheck.  (I kid, I kid) 

 

If its injury related ...  How did he pass a physical?   

 

New York Jets quarterback Joe Flacco, who agreed to a one-year, $1.5 million contract Friday, confirmed speculation he won't be ready for the Sept. 13 season opener against the Buffalo Bills because of his recently repaired neck.

 

"I can't speak to exactly when I'm going to be ready, but it will not be day one," Flacco said Tuesday in an interview with SiriusXM NFL radio. "Obviously, we'll get with the doctors and I have another checkup come August, so we'll see where that goes."

Edited May 27, 2020 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce

[Doc]

Like I was saying...

[YoloinOhio]

3 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

 

This  v

 

The season is "shortened" as it is... Is claiming not to be ready a good thing?  Well unless you are there just to get a paycheck.  (I kid, I kid) 

 

If its injury related ...  How did he pass a physical?   

 

New York Jets quarterback Joe Flacco, who agreed to a one-year, $1.5 million contract Friday, confirmed speculation he won't be ready for the Sept. 13 season opener against the Buffalo Bills because of his recently repaired neck.

 

"I can't speak to exactly when I'm going to be ready, but it will not be day one," Flacco said Tuesday in an interview with SiriusXM NFL radio. "Obviously, we'll get with the doctors and I have another checkup come August, so we'll see where that goes."

He looked like someone whose dad was forcing him to play football when he was on the field last year then he ripped his coaching staff in Denver  in a post game presser and showed no support for the young QB they drafted. I assume no one involved wants him to actually play, but then why sign him at all because I don’t see what actual value he brings. Not like he can help teach the offense or mentor with his outstanding leadership or motivate. Whatever, just a weird signing. 

[JaCrispy]

Was hoping the Bills would sign Flacco as a backup...definitely an upgrade over Barkley...nice move by the Jets...

[prissythecat]

34 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

Was hoping the Bills would sign Flacco as a backup...definitely an upgrade over Barkley...nice move by the Jets...

 

I take it you haven't read any of the latest updates about Flacco lol?

[JaCrispy]

1 minute ago, prissythecat said:

 

I take it you haven't read any of the latest updates about Flacco lol?

Just scrolled up...thanks...

[Bferra13]

I dont like Barkley or Flacco. I saw all I need to know from Barkley last year against the Jets. Hopefully, he wont see the field in the regular season this year. He needs to be the third qb if he's here as a friend/mentor for Josh. I guess that's why they drafted Fromm though. We shall see.

[YoloinOhio]

I wouldn’t mind upgrading barkley as I’ve often stated - and forgive me for not reading this entire thread but did someone actually suggest that the 2020 corpse of Flacco would be an upgrade 

Edited May 27, 2020 by YoloinOhio

[Bleedingreennc]

23 hours ago, KD in CA said:

When guys dream of going out on top, they don't image winding down their career as a backup for the dog-ass Jets.

Dog-ass Jets huh? Im calling a split next season....

On 5/22/2020 at 4:13 PM, NewEra said:

Nice move....but not really.  They aren’t going anywhere this year.  If darnold misses time, they’re better off losing every game he misses.  Not that flacco is capable of winning games on his own, but  he might be able to get a w or 2

Most franchises wouldnt go anywhere with their starter going down. Would Barkley lead you to the playoffs if Allen went down?

[NewEra]

5 minutes ago, Bleedingreennc said:

Dog-ass Jets huh? Im calling a split next season....

Most franchises wouldnt go anywhere with their starter going down. Would Barkley lead you to the playoffs if Allen went down?

I’d prefer a better backup tbh.  Would rather have flacco.  I like Frohms chance to be a capable backup, but probably not this year.  
 

I think if allen missed 6-8 games we could still make the playoffs with Adequate backup play. Our D is only getting better.  Our offense added a bonefide #1 wr and a beastly rb to replace gore and compliment motor.  
 

Would he “lead” us to the playoffs?  I dunno if I’d go so far To say he’d lead us, but I think we could win enough games where we could still make the playoffs.  

[Bleedingreennc]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

I’d prefer a better backup tbh.  Would rather have flacco.  I like Frohms chance to be a capable backup, but probably not this year.  
 

I think if allen missed 6-8 games we could still make the playoffs with Adequate backup play. Our D is only getting better.  Our offense added a bonefide #1 wr and a beastly rb to replace gore and compliment motor.  
 

Would he “lead” us to the playoffs?  I dunno if I’d go so far To say he’d lead us, but I think we could win enough games where we could still make the playoffs.  

For the record, i dont think Flacco would be able to handle it, i wanted a more mobile backup Qb.