Ed Oliver Arrested DWI

[plenzmd1]

8 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Meaning cops will use any excuse to search the car.  Obviously they didn't find any illegal drugs in the car. 

 

What I don't know for sure (although I suspect they can't) is whether they can use their suspicion of being on drugs to get a tox screen on him from the BAC draw?

arghh, okay now i get it. Agree on the any excuse...and that term "mandatory blood draw" sent shivers up my spine.

[njbuff]

9 minutes ago, Dragoon said:

1. Idiot

2. He’s young

3. Idiot 

 

Story of my youth. ?

[muppy]

Expensive mistake. Very. Young and dumb is no great excuse but that’s what this boils down to imo. Time will tell if he grows up learns from this and has no further issues. I’m not so holier than though I’ve done it when I was young and dumb too. I just didn’t have millions in the bank at the time. It probably wouldn’t have made any difference money doesn’t buy maturity. This is a cautionary tale if you go out to party plan ahead bring a designated driver and don’t assume you will make great decisions after drinking when you’re already impaired. Period. 

[Bangarang]

12 minutes ago, Dopey said:

someone replied to plenzmd1 that in some states open container could = dui.

plenzmd1 replied that someone would have to show him this is the case. I'm just providing a link, never said it was automatic.

Actually, what was originally stated was:

 

“In some states, open container = dwi.”

 

Im not aware of any state in which simply having an open container means you are arrested for DWI.

 

Obviously having an open container while driving increases the chances that you are driving while intoxicated but isn’t that true in every state?

Edited May 17, 2020 by Bangarang

[MAJBobby]

3 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

arghh, okay now i get it. Agree on the any excuse...and that term "mandatory blood draw" sent shivers up my spine.

With the mandatory blood draw. That will be required if you request or deny the Breath Test (seeing no BAC attached you any of the reports) or that in the Cop Blocker video no breath test given I would guess was refused by Oliver. 
 

WHAT I don’t know about the blood is if the warrant that they will have to get is limited in scope (alcohol) by my guess the cop suspecting on tape something other than alcohol would tell me Texas blood warrants are limited scope meaning without justification they will only test alcohol unless can get warrant to include other substances.  This is all speculation here because unlike the add on gun charge this is something I don’t know about. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

I didn't know it was possible to have an illegal gun in Texas?

 

What's that saying about idle hands....

 

Guess he needs something to keep him busy.

Edited May 17, 2020 by Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

[Bangarang]

3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

With the mandatory blood draw. That will be required if you request or deny the Breath Test (seeing no BAC attached you any of the reports) or that in the Cop Blocker video no breath test given I would guess was refused by Oliver. 

 

Does the video you’re referring to show the entire stop and all the testing? I’ve only seen the video that’s maybe 2 minutes long.

 

3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

WHAT I don’t know about the blood is if the warrant that they will have to get is limited in scope (alcohol) by my guess the cop suspecting on tape something other than alcohol would tell me Texas blood warrants are limited scope meaning without justification they will only test alcohol unless can get warrant to include other substances.  This is all speculation here because unlike the add on gun charge this is something I don’t know about. 

 

Failing field sobriety and  having other noticeable clues is justification enough. Some agencies have drug recognition experts that go through extensive training to determine what may be in someone’s system. I don’t know whether this agency utilized one however it’s not hard to get a warrant if you’ve arrested someone for driving under the influence of drugs and they won’t consent to a blood draw themselves. 

[plenzmd1]

12 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

With the mandatory blood draw. That will be required if you request or deny the Breath Test (seeing no BAC attached you any of the reports) or that in the Cop Blocker video no breath test given I would guess was refused by Oliver. 
 

WHAT I don’t know about the blood is if the warrant that they will have to get is limited in scope (alcohol) by my guess the cop suspecting on tape something other than alcohol would tell me Texas blood warrants are limited scope meaning without justification they will only test alcohol unless can get warrant to include other substances.  This is all speculation here because unlike the add on gun charge this is something I don’t know about. 

 i have been golfing since 11AM , had a few after the round, but not sure what you mean here. To my mind, If Ed refused a breath test good for him. He should, as all people should.

 

Cop suspecting a young black man of drug use, who seems to pass most of the the field tests is troubling to me.  And requiring  a blood draw and invading his body is kinda 1984 ish.. i ain't comfortable with it

 

Edited May 17, 2020 by plenzmd1

[krf139]

Why do all these guys who get in trouble have guns - many unregistered. I get the second amendment but it’s a broken record. 

[MAJBobby]

9 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

Does the video you’re referring to show the entire stop and all the testing? I’ve only seen the video that’s maybe 2 minutes long.

 

 

Failing field sobriety and  having other noticeable clues is justification enough. Some agencies have drug recognition experts that go through extensive training to determine what may be in someone’s system. I don’t know whether this agency utilized one however it’s not hard to get a warrant if you’ve arrested someone for driving under the influence of drugs and they won’t consent to a blood draw themselves. 

yeah the cop blocker edits. Down to 1:48. Look at the description though talks the entire encounter. by reading his encounter notes either no breath test was given because of refusal or because cop said impaired by something other than Alcohol. The entire process was given by a DWI certified officer. 
 

 

5 minutes ago, krf139 said:

Why do all these guys who get in trouble have guns - many unregistered. I get the second amendment but it’s a broken record. 

there is ZERO Law requiring registration of a firearm in Texas. It is open carry state 

Edited May 17, 2020 by MAJBobby

[JimBob2232]

4 minutes ago, krf139 said:

Why do all these guys who get in trouble have guns - many unregistered. I get the second amendment but it’s a broken record. 

Not signaling out Oliver because i dont know his story, but the neighborhood many of these guys come from, combined with a boat ton of cash in their name.  They think they need to protect themselves (and in many cases they are right).  There is probably other ways do it.  But i would bet that's a big driver. 

[MAJBobby]

13 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

 i have been golfing since 11AM , had a few after the round, but not sure what you mean here. To my mind, If Ed refused a breath test good for him. He should, as all people should.

 

Cop suspecting a young black man of drug use, who seems to pass most of the the field tests is troubling to me.  And requiring  a blood draw and invading his body is kinda 1984 ish.. i ain't comfortable with it

 

I have taught EVERY SOLDIER of mine if you are stopped for DWI respectfully refuse the breath test. Make them get a warrant. Even if it takes an hour your BAC will be lower. 
 

also with an open container of a pop the Breath Test would push out a very high reading if just took a sip. 
 

 

Edited May 17, 2020 by MAJBobby

[Bill from NYC]

9 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

 i have been golfing since 11AM , had a few after the round, but not sure what you mean here. To my mind, If Ed refused a breath test good for him. He should, as all people should.

 

Cop suspecting a young black man of drug use, who seems to pass most of the the field tests is troubling to me.  And requiring  a blood draw and invading his body is kinda 1984 ish.. i ain't comfortable with it

 

So let's all just declare him innocent. 

 

Look, kids make mistakes. We all have made mistakes. This kid was driving drunk with a gun. Ask yourself how much you would care about him if he wasn't a very promising young player on our favorite team. 

 

I'll take your answer off the air.

[Bangarang]

3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

yeah the cop blocker edits. Down to 1:48. Look at the description though talks the entire encounter. by reading his encounter notes either no breath test was given because of refusal or because cop said impaired by something other than Alcohol. The entire process was given by a DWI certified officer. 
 

 

Im not sure what they mean when they say DWI certified officer. Usually that just means that the officer was trained in administering field sobriety testing. Typically, if you’re specifically a drug recognition expert then you would be referred to as such. 

[BarleyNY]

13 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

With the mandatory blood draw. That will be required if you request or deny the Breath Test (seeing no BAC attached you any of the reports) or that in the Cop Blocker video no breath test given I would guess was refused by Oliver. 
 

WHAT I don’t know about the blood is if the warrant that they will have to get is limited in scope (alcohol) by my guess the cop suspecting on tape something other than alcohol would tell me Texas blood warrants are limited scope meaning without justification they will only test alcohol unless can get warrant to include other substances.  This is all speculation here because unlike the add on gun charge this is something I don’t know about. 

I’ve been perusing some Texas DWI lawyer sites for some answers.  Texas is an Implied Consent state, which means that consent for testing is given as a condition of acquiring a license.  People still don’t have to give consent to any type of test until a valid warrant is issued.  Then it can be forcibly taken if needed.  Blood tests Include testing for alcohol and a variety of drugs.  Obviously some drug metabolites stay in people’s systems beyond when they’d be impaired so that can be a defense.  So it’s probably going to be awhile before this plays out.

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, Bill from NYC said:

So let's all just declare him innocent. 

 

Look, kids make mistakes. We all have made mistakes. This kid was driving drunk with a gun. Ask yourself how much you would care about him if he wasn't a very promising young player on our favorite team. 

 

I'll take your answer off the air.

everyone focused on the Gun is a little silly to me. 
 

let’s take out the dumb decision of driving impaired (allegedly). 
 

he get pulled over for a traffic infraction. Gun Un registered. Guess what gets charged?  NOTHING. 

[Do The Reich Thing]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

I’ve gathered that but asked why the name Karen is used. I don’t know any Karens like that. They always show that Kate chick. 

I think it’s a name that just stuck. No reason to my knowledge. Kinda like ‘Chad’ for a guy. 

[MAJBobby]

Just now, Bangarang said:

Im not sure what they mean when they say DWI certified officer. Usually that just means that the officer was trained in administering field sobriety testing. Typically, if you’re specifically a drug recognition expert then you would be referred to as such. 

Texas has specific DWI certified police that are only allowed to handle DWI stops. Not exactly sure what the training consists of. 

[Bangarang]

4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

I have taught EVERY SOLDIER of mine if you are stopped for DWI respectfully refuse the breath test. Make them get a warrant. Even if it takes an hour your BAC will be lower. 
 

also with an open container of a pop the Breath Test would push out a very high reading if just took a sip. 

I will only speak about NY but if you refuse the breath test it just means you’re getting another ticket if arrested for DWI. The breath test is also the last thing we do during sobriety testing and is not necessary to arrest someone for DWI. No need for a warrant if you refuse, it will just be indicated that you refused and I will list all the other test results showing you were under the influence.

[MAJBobby]

2 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

I’ve been perusing some Texas DWI lawyer sites for some answers.  Texas is an Implied Consent state, which means that consent for testing is given as a condition of acquiring a license.  People still don’t have to give consent to any type of test until a valid warrant is issued.  Then it can be forcibly taken if needed.  Blood tests Include testing for alcohol and a variety of drugs.  Obviously some drug metabolites stay in people’s systems beyond when they’d be impaired so that can be a defense.  So it’s probably going to be awhile before this plays out.

 agree that along with the case backlog due to Pandemic I expect resolution in 2021 with the suspension if any in 2021. I could be wrong but my educated guess 

1 minute ago, Bangarang said:

I will only speak about NY but if you refuse the breath test it just means you’re getting another ticket if arrested for DWI. The breath test is also the last thing we do during sobriety testing and is not necessary to arrest someone for DWI. No need for a warrant if you refuse, it will just be indicated that you refused and I will list all the other test results showing you were under the influence.

I know in Texas it is one or the other. Now the warrant was probably at the hospital by the time they arrived but that hour or so could mean one or two (at his size) pops metabolized off 

[BullBuchanan]

13 hours ago, Brennan Huff said:

And get absolutely nothing in return

Maybe McD will slot Sobotka in at #1 WR.

[Don Otreply]

43 minutes ago, Margarita said:

Expensive mistake. Very. Young and dumb is no great excuse but that’s what this boils down to imo. Time will tell if he grows up learns from this and has no further issues. I’m not so holier than though I’ve done it when I was young and dumb too. I just didn’t have millions in the bank at the time. It probably wouldn’t have made any difference money doesn’t buy maturity. This is a cautionary tale if you go out to party plan ahead bring a designated driver and don’t assume you will make great decisions after drinking when you’re already impaired. Period. 

This ^^^
 

I’m no angel, and have had a run in with the law as a youngster, and I turned out to be a decent human being, and Ed likely will as well.  I have no qualms with youngsters smoking pot , drinking etc, It is that when one is older, one has the benefit of life experience/hind sight to be able to say some old guy adages about youth being wasted on the young... when you’re young you haven’t lived long enough to make good decisions all the time, it is just the truth of how life works. When I was  young I had a high tolerance for risk, so I broke a variety of laws and had a damn good time doing it, I jumped out of a perfectly good airplane, joined the Marine Corp, etc etc,  when I look back at the things I involved myself in, I’m lucky I’m still alive... Ed will have a similar moment when he is an old fart too.  This is no big deal in all reality, we are only upset because it sticks a pin in our football bubble. I’m gonna get a beer and go down the YouTube rabbit hole, see you all later, ??

 

Go Bills!!!

Edited May 18, 2020 by Don Otreply

[SydneyBillsFan]

Ok, so the guy had a lapse in judgement and no doubt he regrets his actions right about now.

 

But some people are talking about him missing a bunch of games because of something he did in the off season a long way from an NFL stadium.

 

Myles Garrett used a helmet to assault a player NOT wearing a helmet - an offence which is considerably worse than Ed's. And yet he only missed, what - 6 games??

 

If he misses more than two games he can consider himself hard done by IMO.

[Mango]

3 hours ago, Sig1Hunter said:

I’m not sure what I find more amusing. The extent that you are going to in order to excuse Ed’s behavior, or the irony of your avatar!

I am not excusing it. He was dumb enough to have some beers and another in the car. Just trying to provide some color on what it’s like to drive a trailer through construction. Also to give some insight into how quick people are to call and report any trailer driving. 
 

Again, I’ve had calls while towing a non DOT load for just being in the left lane and passing. 

[BullBuchanan]

2 minutes ago, SydneyBillsFan said:

Ok, so the guy had a lapse in judgement and no doubt he regrets his actions right about now.

 

But some people are talking about him missing a bunch of games because of something he did in the off season a long way from an NFL stadium.

 

Myles Garrett used a helmet to assault a player NOT wearing a helmet - an offence which is considerably worse than Ed's. And yet he only missed, what - 6 games??

 

If he misses more than two games he can consider himself hard done by IMO.

Garrett should never play again. NFl let greed dictate that move.

Edited May 18, 2020 by BullBuchanan

[TroutDog]

6 hours ago, Mango said:

 

There is a strong possibility that since this was reported in a construction zone that he wasn’t uncontrollably swerving, rather trying to stay away from the medians/no shoulder. 

 

I used to drive about 45k trailer miles per year. Although a much bigger load. I’ve done a couple cross country trips with it as well. 40 foot open trailer, 60 foot load (over hang), 13 feet high, with a pick up. I used to swap lanes all the time at night if there wasn’t much traffic and their was no shoulder. It’s not the greatest to navigate. 

 

You would also  be surprised at what people will call you in on when you’re towing. I have had two calls to my employer, which they would had to google because our number wasn’t on the truck. Both just for just being in the right lane. I would be going 80 plus not holding up traffic at all. 

That’s all understood, but did you have an open beer and a firearm with you?

 

I’m happy to wait for the facts to come out but we are all just spitballing based on our own experiences. Let the kid have his day in court. 

[RaoulDuke79]

40 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

everyone focused on the Gun is a little silly to me. 
 

let’s take out the dumb decision of driving impaired (allegedly). 
 

he get pulled over for a traffic infraction. Gun Un registered. Guess what gets charged?  NOTHING. 

Hey, while we're at it let's pretend this whole thing never happened.  Unfortunately it did, and there will be consequences. 

[Mango]

12 minutes ago, TroutDog said:

That’s all understood, but did you have an open beer and a firearm with you?

 

I’m happy to wait for the facts to come out but we are all just spitballing based on our own experiences. Let the kid have his day in court. 

 

Open container laws aren’t terribly strict in that they’re a misdemeanor not a moving violation and can be expunged. 

 

There is an as equal of a chance that this was just unfortunate and he is a dumb dumb. Not just that he was smashed and driving all over the road as a bunch of posters seem to be suggesting. 

[plenzmd1]

1 hour ago, Bill from NYC said:

So let's all just declare him innocent. 

 

Look, kids make mistakes. We all have made mistakes. This kid was driving drunk with a gun. Ask yourself how much you would care about him if he wasn't a very promising young player on our favorite team. 

 

I'll take your answer off the air.

No, lets declare him guilty because  the internet told me so! 

 

Cue Richard Jewell and the Duke kids..

 

or for that matter lets talk about Arnaud Arbery and what the internet made of his guilt or innocence.

 

And  please for the love of god show me where it has been proven he was driving drunk with a gun.

55 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

I will only speak about NY but if you refuse the breath test it just means you’re getting another ticket if arrested for DWI. The breath test is also the last thing we do during sobriety testing and is not necessary to arrest someone for DWI. No need for a warrant if you refuse, it will just be indicated that you refused and I will list all the other test results showing you were under the influence.

I will 100% always, always, always, refuse a breath test. And it someone tried to take blood out of my body without my consent they will nedd to knock me out, i would never, ever , never submit to that ...

Edited May 18, 2020 by plenzmd1

[MAJBobby]

14 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

Hey, while we're at it let's pretend this whole thing never happened.  Unfortunately it did, and there will be consequences. 

Yep he did and Yep there will the Fine for wet Reckless is 200 bucks. Likely will tack some community service to that. And then the 162k in game checks once the 2 game DWI hits. 

[TroutDog]

Just now, Mango said:

 

Open container laws aren’t terribly strict in that they’re a misdemeanor not a moving violation and can be expunged. 

 

There is an as equal of a chance that this was just unfortunate and he is a dumb dumb. Not just that he was smashed and driving all over the road as a bunch of posters seem to be suggesting. 

That was my point: whoever I responded to said hauling a trailer makes you swerve some...I agree! All the more reason to NOT have a beer in between you legs! ? 

[MAJBobby]

Remember all the same people here saying he will get a huge suspension also thought Shady was going to be suspended a bunch of times. 

[Augie]

2 hours ago, Warcodered said:

I guess that makes a certain amount of sense the longer it takes them to test you the more of it you'll of processed, but I would think being uncooperative wouldn't look great in front of the judge if you get nailed anyway.

 

It can help, or hurt. He blew slightly higher when they got him to the station. It takes time after ingestion for your BAC to be reflected with a blow test. Regardless, I am FAR more cautious than I have been in the rest of my adult life. Have a couple glasses of wine out at dinner, get rear ended on the way home. Not your fault, but the cops arrive and ask “where have you been? Anything to drink with dinner?”  I don’t trust the process enough to open that door. 

 

I see both sides of this. Uber was a frequent option until recently. Now? Well, I have no friggin’ idea...... I have nowhere to go, so nothing to decide. 

[Fred Slacks]

2 hours ago, Ralonzo said:

 

Just a good ol boy, never meanin no harm

Damn those Dukes!

[Mango]

18 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

It can help, or hurt. He blew slightly higher when they got him to the station. It takes time after ingestion for your BAC to be reflected with a blow test. Regardless, I am FAR more cautious than I have been in the rest of my adult life. Have a couple glasses of wine out at dinner, get rear ended on the way home. Not your fault, but the cops arrive and ask “where have you been? Anything to drink with dinner?”  I don’t trust the process enough to open that door. 

 

I see both sides of this. Uber was a frequent option until recently. Now? Well, I have no friggin’ idea...... I have nowhere to go, so nothing to decide. 

Where did you see his BAC? I just googled and couldn't find anything. 

[Augie]

1 minute ago, Mango said:

Where did you see his BAC? I just googled and couldn't find anything. 

 

If you read it in context, I was referring to my son and the advice of his attorney. I have no idea about Ed, and was only commenting on the legal advice not to blow. I was NOT present at that conference, and can NOT advise anyone (except @Chef Jim of course) on how to handle their affairs. It’s just the way I heard it. 

[MAJBobby]

I will say one thing As a Captain after my 2nd deployment. I had a lapse in judgement was drinking at a house party While playing poker. Thought good enough to drive home. 
 

got pulled over. Thankfully the Cop cut me a break pulled my truck into a parking lot and called me a cab. Told me if my truck is gone before 10am the next day when he comes off shift he will arrest me. (Also in Texas BTW lol). 
 

never got behind a wheel again after once sip. Hope this has the same effect on Ed. 
 

will always Remember Officer Jonathan Gomez for the Break he chose to give me. 

Edited May 18, 2020 by MAJBobby

[EmotionallyUnstable]

Can't believe he didn't just ride his horse 

[MAJBobby]

Just now, EmotionallyUnstable said:

Can't believe he didn't just ride his horse 

Funny thing because some obscure law in on the Books in Texas he could have still been charged with DWI and Reckless Endangerment of an animal or some ***** like that. 

[BillsFan2313]

4 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:

seriously. you are accept that behaviour as the norm ?

 not sure what world You live in ....

 

I think you live on another planet, if you dont think that's the norm. Ever been to a Bills game? How many DWIs can happend after one?