2020 NFL Draft Round 2 and 3 Discussion.

[hjnick]

55 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

No one will trade 2021 picks until they know if there will be a season.

 

Whoa! You might have just stumbled on a HUGE what if.

 

What if there is no 2020 season and the 2021 draft comes around??? Trevor Lawrence?  Who gets the first pick in the draft?

 

Why should Cinc get the first pick?  random?

[Iamkrgr]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

The Athletic's remock this morning has us getting Kristian Fulton at #54 and Darrell Taylor at #86. Wouldn't hate that though I would prefer an offensive weapon with one of the picks.

I’d be very happy with this outcome

[Blank Stare]

8 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Foster plays special teams. 

 

He covers kicks. 

Foster, McKenzie and Roberts all contribute on special teams. It's why when Zay Jones lost his job, they sent him packing because he was never going to dress again. 

 

I'd love Higgins, but if you pick him then get rid of Beasley and give Brown and Diggs more reps from the slot. 

 

Unless you do that, go another route.

 

I find it impossible to imagine a team using their 1st, 2nd and 4th round picks on WRs in the same draft. 

I don’t think anyone is proposing being reckless with our selections, but we are finally in a position with this roster to stack talent. Granted, we all have our preferences, but this offense struggled to score points last year. “Only” thing we’ve done to address it is add Diggs. Now, that’s a big “only” thing, but a lot of us prefer they can keep up with the Jacksons and the Mahomes and not always have to rely on the D to bail us out with razor thin margins of error. Personally, I don’t want to prioritize our top pick on a Big/buffalo nickel that may amount to nothing but special teams. Now, if you want to draft a pass rusher, I won’t fight you on that. 

[jrober38]

8 minutes ago, Logic said:

 

 This. So much this.

 

and considering what we traded for Diggs, it’s really more like 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 6th round picks in two WRs. That’s madness.

 

Right. 

 

I thought it was a 1st and 4th this year. 

 

Didn't realize it was a 1st, 5th and 6th this year and a 4th next year.

 

That would be insanity. 

1 minute ago, TheProcess said:

I don’t think anyone is proposing being reckless with our selections, but we are finally in a position with this roster to stack talent. Granted, we all have our preferences, but this offense struggled to score points last year. “Only” thing we’ve done to address it is add Diggs. Now, that’s a big “only” thing, but a lot of us prefer they can keep up with the Jacksons and the Mahomes and not always have to rely on the D to bail us out with razor thin margins of error. Personally, I don’t want to prioritize our top pick on a Big/buffalo nickel that may amount to nothing but special teams. Now, if you want to draft a pass rusher, I won’t fight you on that. 

 

We just traded 4 picks for Stefon Diggs. 

[glazeduck]

10 minutes ago, Logic said:

 

 This. So much this.

 

and considering what we traded for Diggs, it’s really more like 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 6th round picks in two WRs. That’s madness.

That's certainly one way to break it down.

 

The other is to say it was a 1, a future 4 and 2 scrubs for a proven veteran, and a late 2 for great value at a position that has the potential of opening up new attack vectors and aid in the confidence of your young franchise QB. 

 

Obviously get your point, but I still come back to the argument of, when taking into account draft value, where else are we that much more deficient on the roster? 

[Buffalo Junction]

3 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

I think Bryce Hall should be on people’s collective radar

At least someone agrees with me. I quit mentioning him because it never gained traction. He was being talked about as a possible first round CB before his injury.

 

Big, instinctive, physical, sure tackling CB best suited for a zone scheme. May be able to convert him to safety if his hips don’t prove fluid enough for CB. Noted for leadership and community service which is right up McB’s alley. 

[jrober38]

2 minutes ago, glazeduck said:

That's certainly one way to break it down.

 

The other is to say it was a 1, a future 4 and 2 scrubs for a proven veteran, and a late 2 for great value at a position that has the potential of opening up new attack vectors and aid in the confidence of your young franchise QB. 

 

Obviously get your point, but I still come back to the argument of, when taking into account draft value, where else are we that much more deficient on the roster? 

 

There's no way the Bills walk away from this draft having used their 1st, 2nd, 5th and 6th round picks on wide receivers.

 

From a resources value, that just doesn't make any sense. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

22 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Foster plays special teams. 

 

He covers kicks. 

Foster, McKenzie and Roberts all contribute on special teams. It's why when Zay Jones lost his job, they sent him packing because he was never going to dress again. 

 

I'd love Higgins, but if you pick him then get rid of Beasley and give Brown and Diggs more reps from the slot. 

 

Unless you do that, go another route.

 

I find it impossible to imagine a team using their 1st, 2nd and 4th round picks on WRs in the same draft. 

 

If it happened it would have to be a team that had Kelvin Benjamin Zay Jones and Andre Holmes as starters in 2018....

[BuffaloHokie13]

17 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

The Athletic's remock this morning has us getting Kristian Fulton at #54 and Darrell Taylor at #86. Wouldn't hate that though I would prefer an offensive weapon with one of the picks.

As you know, I've been leaning Def, Def for a while now. I love that outcome as Fulton is probably better than Dantzler and Taylor is Taylor. If that's followed up with Evans in the 4th and Gandy-Golden in the 5th its a freaking home run

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

8 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Right. 

 

I thought it was a 1st and 4th this year. 

 

Didn't realize it was a 1st, 5th and 6th this year and a 4th next year.

 

That would be insanity. 

 

We just traded 4 picks for Stefon Diggs. 

 

I doubt they do anything with WRs - but remember the 5th and 6th are free picks that they received from Bodine/Teller trades - so found money.  The 4th next year to me means every other pick in 2021 is off limits.

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said:

At least someone agrees with me. I quit mentioning him because it never gained traction. He was being talked about as a possible first round CB before his injury.

 

Big, instinctive, physical, sure tackling CB best suited for a zone scheme. May be able to convert him to safety if his hips don’t prove fluid enough for CB. Noted for leadership and community service which is right up McB’s alley. 

 

I agree too. Bandit and I have already discussed. Does he make to us is my question?

[newcam2012]

I'm no draft guru. Knowing Beans, he will absolutely take the best player available. Personally, I am hoping we get a quality RB. One who can start and be effective if Singletary goes down. I suspect Dobbins and Taylor will be gone before 54. Call me crazy but I kind of like Jaylen Hurts. 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

As you know, I've been leaning Def, Def for a while now. I love that outcome as Fulton is probably better than Dantzler and Taylor is Taylor. If that's followed up with Evans in the 4th and Gandy-Golden in the 5th its a freaking home run

 

Yep. I think there are multiple RB and receiver 4th and 5th round combos that I could live with if alongside those two 2nd and 3rd rounders. They will take a linebacker somewhere though.

[junior]

All I know is I can't wait for 7pm to roll around - I've been looking at the clock all day. 

 

I'd like to load up on offense as much as possible today. Surround Allen with talent and know definitively this season if he is THE guy. 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, newcam2012 said:

I'm no draft guru. Knowing Beans, he will absolutely take the best player available. Personally, I am hoping we get a quality RB. One who can start and be effective if Singletary goes down. I suspect Dobbins and Taylor will be gone before 54. Call me crazy but I kind of like Jaylen Hurts. 

 

As a running back?

[quincy]

I will be in the minority on this one but I really hope Buffalo drafts one of Cole Kmet or Thaddeus Moss.

 

Tight End is still a position of need.

 

Dawson Knox was not reliable last year and yet managed to be TE1. I am optimistic about his future.

Tyler Kroft was injured most of the year and most likely has one season left in Buffalo. Can he bounce back?

Tommy Sweeney I like but he was mainly inactive.

Lee Smith simply put, he is not worth a roster spot in 2020.

Croom and Becker will not make the final roster.

 

We have a top flight defense already.

 

Wide receiver 4 and Tight End 2 will show their value or lack of in crunch situations, especially the postseason.

Last year Duke was WR3 against Houston when he was mainly inactive, McBeane I don't think trust him as WR4 this year either.

 

Round 2 - Laviska or Claypool

Round 3 - Cole Kmet or Thaddeus Moss

Round 4 - Zach Moss or A.J. Dillon

Round 5 - DE/LB e.g. Derrek Tuszka or Michael Divinity Jr

Round 6 - CB and S e.g. Madre Harper/Dane Jackson and Tanner Muse

Round 7 -  P or K - best available at 239

 

Looking forward to see what the Bills do!

[Buffalo Junction]

23 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Foster plays special teams. 

 

He covers kicks. 

Foster, McKenzie and Roberts all contribute on special teams. It's why when Zay Jones lost his job, they sent him packing because he was never going to dress again. 

 

I'd love Higgins, but if you pick him then get rid of Beasley and give Brown and Diggs more reps from the slot. 

 

Unless you do that, go another route.

 

I find it impossible to imagine a team using their 1st, 2nd and 4th round picks on WRs in the same draft. 

I still think they’re most likely to take a WR that makes these guys expendable. A Shenault, Hamler, Bowden, etc. A guy with versatility and/ teams value. The big outside WR doesn’t seem to be a priority. However, I wouldn’t be surprised if they grabbed Claypool. 

[newcam2012]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yep. I think there are multiple RB and receiver 4th and 5th round combos that I could live with if alongside those two 2nd and 3rd rounders. They will take a linebacker somewhere though.

Bill, I know you like to evaluate Qbs. What's your thought on Jaylen? Sorry if I missed your evals in earlier posts.

Edited April 24, 2020 by newcam2012

[CommonCents]

If Dobbins is on the board at when we pick I’m going to need a chaperone. I can’t behave myself, either way. 

[Just Joshin']

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

If Dugger is basically our 3-down LB in base defense, as Joe outlines, that description is certainly sexy af.  

How will he hold up against the run.  The opposing team will run directly at him.  Better hope Edmunds can cover for him.

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said:

I still think they’re most likely to take a WR that makes these guys expendable. A Shenault, Hamler, Bowden, etc. A guy with versatility and/ teams value. The big outside WR doesn’t seem to be a priority. However, I wouldn’t be surprised if they grabbed Claypool. 

Not saying we should or shouldn’t, but 2 years ago we had Kelvin Benjamin, Zay and foster as our WR unit.  We’ve invested  15ish mill in brown and Beasley.  Adding Diggs and one more good WR isn’t so far fetched to me considering our OL is just average and our QB not able to do it on his own just yet.  
 

I’d prefer a rb myself, but there are a few WRs out there that I’d love to have in A Bills uniform for the next 4 years and would be able to help immediately 

[BuffaloBob]

3 hours ago, Watkins101 said:

 Went BPA with every pick here. 54 was tough with a lot of good options available. Makes me really excited that see what Brand does there. This draft is pretty unrealistic in the sheer number of offensive guys, but can you imagine how good our playmakers could be next year, and in the future? Diggs, Brown, Bease, Pittman, and Gandy-Golden is a helluva top5. I think we would keep McKenzie and Roberts. Akers + Singletary is a nice 1-2 punch, and there is a lot of potential between Knox and Okwuegbunam. 

54

Michael Pittman Jr.

, WR

• 86

  

  Cam Akers

  , RB

• 128

  

  Albert Okwuegbunam

  , TE

• 167

  

  Shaquille Quarterman

  , LB

• 188

  

  Antonio Gandy-Golden

  , WR

• 207

  

  Lamar Jackson

  , CB

• 239

  

  A.J. Green

  , CB

Gandy-Golden won’t last anywhere near that long. 

Edited April 24, 2020 by BuffaloBob

[glazeduck]

7 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

There's no way the Bills walk away from this draft having used their 1st, 2nd, 5th and 6th round picks on wide receivers.

 

From a resources value, that just doesn't make any sense. 

The Packers have arguably the best QB of this generation AND more glaring needs elsewhere than we have, and used their 1 on a QB.

The Chiefs have arguably the best offense in the history of the game AND more glaring needs elsewhere than we have, and used their 1 on a RB.

 

The draft isn't always about "making sense" with your resources. It's about finding the best on-field value. Maybe Beane thinks that's at WR, maybenot, but simply adding up the total number of assets used doesn't really make a difference. Under your logic, the assets the Falcons gave up for Julio probably don't make any sense either, but that seems to have worked out just fine for them. Again, I struggle to see where else on the roster -- when taking in positional and draft value into account -- we have a bigger glaringly obvious deficiency (that can't also be addressed via free agency.) There's talent left at DB and a couple interesting guys at DE, but beyond that, we're set at QB, OL and DL, the talent/value isn't there at LB or TE, as many have posited a complementary RB can be had later in the draft... what's left? A wr with size (none of our top 3 WRs are tipping the scales at 6') can add a new dimension to this offense.

 

Besides all of that, regardless of how many assets would've been spent on 2 WRs, we'd still have a 3, 4, 5, two 6s and a 7 to fill maybe 5 slots. It's not like we're hurting for draft capital in terms of numbers...

 

I may be right on what eventually happens with this, I may be wrong. But it's not like this is SUUUUCH a crazy idea that it's not worth discussing, there's absolutely a logical path to taking a WR in the 2nd or 3rd...

[CapeBreton]

13 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said:

I still think they’re most likely to take a WR that makes these guys expendable. A Shenault, Hamler, Bowden, etc. A guy with versatility and/ teams value. The big outside WR doesn’t seem to be a priority. However, I wouldn’t be surprised if they grabbed Claypool. 

KJ Hamler might be the only pick at 54 that I’d be upset about.

[BuffaloRebound]

I don’t see a RB moving the needle for this offense unless he’s also a big threat in the passing game.  You gotta throw the ball and score points to win championships.  Diggs was an excellent get, but him alone isn’t taking our passing game to the championship level.  Our defense is close to championship level.  Singletary plus a vet upgrade over Gore and Josh’s ability to use his legs is adequate in the running game.  If there isn’t a Kittle or Kelce in this draft at TE, get me a big dynamic WR like Pittman or Claypool.  

[Buffalo Junction]

15 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I agree too. Bandit and I have already discussed. Does he make to us is my question?

I think it’s likely. He didn’t run at the combine, and the lack of pro days mean that he didn’t get to show he has fully recovered and has enough speed to play CB. As a result his best fit is a zone heavy team that may have a future need at safety or run a lot of big nickle. 
 

[jrober38]

1 minute ago, glazeduck said:

The Packers have arguably the best QB of this generation AND more glaring needs elsewhere than we have, and used their 1 on a QB.

The Chiefs have arguably the best offense in the history of the game AND more glaring needs elsewhere than we have, and used their 1 on a RB.

 

The draft isn't always about "making sense" with your resources. It's about finding the best on-field value. Maybe Beane thinks that's at WR, maybenot, but simply adding up the total number of assets used doesn't really make a difference. Under your logic, the assets the Falcons gave up for Julio probably don't make any sense either, but that seems to have worked out just fine for them. Again, I struggle to see where else on the roster -- when taking in positional and draft value into account -- we have a bigger glaringly obvious deficiency (that can't also be addressed via free agency.) There's talent left at DB and a couple interesting guys at DE, but beyond that, we're set at QB, OL and DL, the talent/value isn't there at LB or TE, as many have posited a complementary RB can be had later in the draft... what's left? A wr with size (none of our top 3 WRs are tipping the scales at 6') can add a new dimension to this offense.

 

Besides all of that, regardless of how many assets would've been spent on 2 WRs, we'd still have a 3, 4, 5, two 6s and a 7 to fill maybe 5 slots. It's not like we're hurting for draft capital in terms of numbers...

 

I may be right on what eventually happens with this, I may be wrong. But it's not like this is SUUUUCH a crazy idea that it's not worth discussing, there's absolutely a logical path to taking a WR in the 2nd or 3rd...

 

GB is planning for the future.

 

KC's weakest position on offense was RB. 

 

Neither of these teams really reinvented the wheel last night.

 

Using another pick on a WR who will play maybe a few snaps a game makes little, to no sense. 

[YoloinOhio]

20 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

There's no way the Bills walk away from this draft having used their 1st, 2nd, 5th and 6th round picks on wide receivers.

 

From a resources value, that just doesn't make any sense. 

They still have their 5th and 6th rd picks if they take one in the 2nd. Those were extra picks they used. 

Edited April 24, 2020 by YoloinOhio

[LABILLBACKER]

10 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Not saying we should or shouldn’t, but 2 years ago we had Kelvin Benjamin, Zay and foster as our WR unit.  We’ve invested  15ish mill in brown and Beasley.  Adding Diggs and one more good WR isn’t so far fetched to me considering our OL is just average and our QB not able to do it on his own just yet.  
 

I’d prefer a rb myself, but there are a few WRs out there that I’d love to have in A Bills uniform for the next 4 years and would be able to help immediately 

I'm sticking by my guns that we're picking a combination of wr, rb & edge in rounds 2-4. I'm hoping we wait till the 4th round to go edge.

[Buffalo Junction]

9 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Not saying we should or shouldn’t, but 2 years ago we had Kelvin Benjamin, Zay and foster as our WR unit.  We’ve invested  15ish mill in brown and Beasley.  Adding Diggs and one more good WR isn’t so far fetched to me considering our OL is just average and our QB not able to do it on his own just yet.  
 

I’d prefer a rb myself, but there are a few WRs out there that I’d love to have in A Bills uniform for the next 4 years and would be able to help immediately 

Yeah, but Daboll seems to have different preferences than Denison. I could easily see a McKenzie or Roberts replacement getting drafted to upgrade the “gadget” role. It’s why I took a deep dive into Bowden after they met with him. Personally, I’d rather see CB, RB, or Edge at 54. If the value is substantially higher at WR when we pick im all for it though. 

[glazeduck]

1 minute ago, jrober38 said:

 

GB is planning for the future.

 

KC's weakest position on offense was RB. 

 

Neither of these teams really reinvented the wheel last night.

 

Using another pick on a WR who will play maybe a few snaps a game makes little, to no sense. 

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but I don't understand why we can't also be planning for the future to some degree (while also taking a player who plays special teams and provides another element to the offense?)

 

I'm also not sure where else you're going to take a player who will have a much more substantive impact in games AND provide similar value...

 

DE is 3+ deep already, we've clearly been poking around in free agency and the talent pool in this draft is dreadful.

CB has a few interesting players, but we also have 3 guys on the roster already vying for that starting spot and our staff has shown that they're able to find/develop talent from later picks.

TE is already a full room, and while they're not sexy, seem to fit what the staff wants. We had zero interest in any free agents and this is not a good class, so that doesn't exactly seem to fit.

RB has talent, but they've already made it clear that Singletary is their #1, so probably makes more sense to find a complementary back later.

Safeties are locked in. If you're looking at a big nickel I'd argue there's really only 1 realistic option on the board that fits for both talent and value.

 

I'm not sure where you think we're going to find this franchise starter in the 2nd, but WR is just as good an argument as any of these others. 

[newcam2012]

20 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

As a running back?

Oops sorry I didn't qualify. I was talking as a QB. I know he's  not a fit for the Bills. In general, on the right team you think he can be like the next Lamar Jackson? He is a winner. His passing skills do need work. Curious to hear your imput.

[Warren Zevon]

1 hour ago, jrober38 said:

I think another receiver gets lost in the shuffle. 

 

Your #4 receiver needs to play special teams or they'll be inactive on game day and I don't see any of these big receivers providing that versatility. 

 

Claypool

[mannc]

11 minutes ago, CapeBreton said:

KJ Hamler might be the only pick at 54 that I’d be upset about.

Why?  I think he’d be a great pick at 54.

[DJB]

What happens if Diggs is available at 54.... and we pass on him? 

[YoloinOhio]

1 minute ago, Warren Zevon said:

 

Claypool

I might wait to see if he’s there later but that is one pick that would get ma juices flowing 

[NewEra]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said:

Yeah, but Daboll seems to have different preferences than Denison. I could easily see a McKenzie or Roberts replacement getting drafted to upgrade the “gadget” role. It’s why I took a deep dive into Bowden after they met with him. Personally, I’d rather see CB, RB, or Edge at 54. If the value is substantially higher at WR when we pick im all for it though. 

I agree 100%.
 

i love 4 of the RBs that are left, so if one is there, that’s who I hope we take.

 

i love Bowden later on.  He’d be a nice possible upgrade for mckenzie for sure.  Mckenzie is more dynamic with the ball in his hands imo due to his burst.  Bowden offers more as a wR and throwing the ball.  
 

give me Gibson or give me death

 

it looks to me like the sweet spot for DEs is rd 3.  I don’t think there will be any worth a dam in rd 4.

[YoloinOhio]

Just now, DJB said:

What happens if Diggs is available at 54.... and we pass on him? 

They should. He’s very raw. Why would it matter 

[DJB]

Dobbins

Swift

J Taylor

Akers

Pittman

Mims

Claypool

 

In order please!!!

[MarkyMannn]

I'd like to see us bundle our 3rd and 5th to move back into the second round.  All these picks we have are not making the roster so bundle some

 

RB Taylor I'd take in round 2