YoloinOhio Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngjebrey Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 In beane we trust. If Brandon Beane signed a peloton bike for 3 years/ 80 mil to play corner I’d trust him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillyguy1 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) I think this does mean that K Johnson probably won't be back, but in a positive way because he is almost certain to make more than 7-8 mil. Norman is almost a K. Johnson signing in that it's someone familiar to the coaching staff that's trying to re-establish his value brought in on a one year deal. When you look at what Mcdermott, Frazier, Butler, and Babich Jr. have done for the value of Tre, Poyer, Hyde, Johnson,and Wallace, I can't think of a reason any db wouldn't want to come here for a year or two to see what they can do. Edited March 9, 2020 by phillyguy1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) Like the move, good depth signing Still would like to re sign Kevin Johnson as i thought he did well in the slot backing up taron Johnson as well as outside Norman is possibly our number 2 outside CB or number 3 outside CB. To be able to run white Wallace T. Johnson K. Johnson and Norman would be a great Edited March 9, 2020 by Cheektowaga Chad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont Stop Billeiving Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 The way I see it, Norman can be this year's more durable version of EJ Gaines. An established veteran who slumped with their previous team and can provide competition for the CB2 spot. As long as the guaranteed money is low, I'm happy enough. I trust McBeane and their apparent assessment that a return to our zone-heavy scheme will revive Norman's career. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 11 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: because Norman has been bad for the better part of 3 years. bingo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Amazed that anyone would criticize this move. A player proven to do well in McD's system at a position where the Bills need depth, for minimal $$. Exactly what is there to dislike? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) People out here still questioning McD’s choice of DB’s. 11 minutes ago, gobills404 said: not a bad thought, but I would argue that CB2 is nowhere near the issue that OL was last year. Edited March 9, 2020 by whatdrought 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 21 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: So fricken tired of fans acting like armchair gm and that peg money is THEIR money BEANE HAS EARNED the benefit of the doubt in these things lets just see? Has he??? I kid I kid .... He got overpaid in DC, then flat out failed there His former HC won't even give him a chance . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TC in St. Louis Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 I haven't watched more than 3 minutes of any Redskins game, except when we beat them.....I don't remember anything about Norman from that game. I don't know anything about him except that a lot of people say he sucked the past 3 years. I do remember when we signed Micah Hyde that my friends from Green Bay told me he was horrible. Wasn't Lofton washed up when we brought him in? I have no idea how Josh Norman is going to do here. I do, however, believe that Beane and McDermott have a pretty good set of expectations. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, eball said: Amazed that anyone would criticize this move. A player proven to do well in McD's system at a position where the Bills need depth, for minimal $$. Exactly what is there to dislike? You are minimizing how much it means to some people to dislike moves made by the Bills. At some point, that has to be the reason we see so many negative comments on signings like this. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlottebillsfan2 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 At $6 million that puts him around 28th in the league in terms of CB per year cap hit. Seems like a situation where the upside far exceeds the downside. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seoulofstone Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) Some fans just can't be excited unless their team sign the most expensive contract for a player at that position in FA. Norman is slow (this is a fair truth), and was continually left on an island against fast WRs. If you put him in a position to attack in zone he will make plays on the ball and get interceptions. Hes great at defending the run and watch for his ability to 'peanut Tilman' punch the ball out of receivers hands. He will work in McDs system. What you don't want is him covering defenders deep without help. That was true even in 2015. Edited March 9, 2020 by Seoulofstone 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 minute ago, MiltonWaddams said: You are minimizing how much it means to some people to dislike moves made by the Bills. At some point, that has to be the reason we see so many negative comments on signings like this. See this would make sense if his former HC in Ron Rivera wasn't the HC in Washington now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East TX Dan Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 I'm pretty excited about this signing. I think he's going to thrive under McD's Zone Defense. Great #2 CB! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 14 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: So fricken tired of fans acting like armchair gm and that peg money is THEIR money BEANE HAS EARNED the benefit of the doubt in these things lets just see? It is entertaining to read these sort of takes, pretending the money is theirs is super funny. This the same MO that Beane has used it the past, just look at last off season for the template, it’s all there. Go Bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: See this would make sense if his former HC in Ron Rivera wasn't the HC in Washington now. So, what you’re saying is that you trust Rivera, whose team floundered after McD left, more than the coach that made Norman into the player who got stupidly overpaid in Washington? Norman was released in order to save Rivera’s team a sizeable amount of money and paid a sizeable amount less to join the Bills. Edited March 9, 2020 by MiltonWaddams 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 This thread will definitely merit resurrection come November 1. Not an indictment, but a lot of contributions from those who don’t often post in TSW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seoulofstone Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 minute ago, CountDorkula said: See this would make sense if his former HC in Ron Rivera wasn't the HC in Washington now. So you think Rivera should have kept him at 13 mill per year? Ron Rivera is a fool and wasn't the reason the Superbowl Panthers had a strong D. That man is currently the HC of the Bills. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: It is entertaining to read these sort of takes, pretending the money is theirs is super funny. This the same MO that Beane has used it the past, just look at last off season for the template, it’s all there. Go Bills!!! SO im never allowed to say wow that is a bad contract ever because its not my money? That involves any team from any sport, correct? If the Bills go out and sign Clowney to a 5 year 115 mil deal this year, im not allowed to comment on it because it is not my money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26TrapDraw Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 2 hours ago, ExWNYer said: Fair enough. Just don't get your hopes up for Norman or you will be sorely disappointed. I'm not questioning McDermott's defensive prowess but he's not a miracle worker. That's an expensive signing just to get a vet in the DB room. Color me extremely skeptical on this one. My Prediction is he excels in his role is this zone scheme. He's still elite athletically and McDermott won't deal with any clown garbage from him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 53 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: Minus the fact that Norman is a liability on the field. to me that is a huge risk. If he's a liability on the field, he probably won't be on the field. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: See this would make sense if his former HC in Ron Rivera wasn't the HC in Washington now. I actually think they primarily wanted his huge contract off the books. Del Rio does not run the same coverage defense as McD - in Denver he played man and cover one. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said: So, what you’re saying is that you trust Rivera, whose team floundered after McD left, more than the coach that made Norman into the player who got stupidly overpaid in Washington and was released in order to save Rivera’s team a sizeable amount of money? Never said that at all. McDs system comes from the Ron Rivera system, no? The Panthers floundered because Cam newton fell apart, and its insanely hard to keep good defenses together. but thats for a different topic. I don't like josh Norman. Id rather not have him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 2 hours ago, ExWNYer said: Did any of you who like this watch him last year? He was awful. But he played very well while under McDermott’s scheme in Carolina. For the price we signed him at it might be a steal for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 minute ago, CountDorkula said: Never said that at all. McDs system comes from the Ron Rivera system, no? The Panthers floundered because Cam newton fell apart, and its insanely hard to keep good defenses together. but thats for a different topic. I don't like josh Norman. Id rather not have him. The Redskins DC is Jack Del Rio. His coverage schemes are a poor fit for Josh Norman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seoulofstone Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, BeefCurtns said: My Prediction is he excels in his role is this zone scheme. He's still elite athletically and McDermott won't deal with any clown garbage from him. He's in great shape, just last year he ran with the bulls in Pamplona. However he is slow. He was ALWAYS slow, his strength shows when he is close to the line of scrimmage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Just now, YoloinOhio said: I actually think they primarily wanted his huge contract off the books. Del Rio does not run the same coverage defense as McD - in Denver he played man and cover one. See now this is good discussion, not just calling me "an idiot" which is 100% true BTW. It no doubt has to do about the contract, but if he was living up to it, he would not have been cut. no one can say he was good in Washington, He was allowing some of the highest completion % in teh league the last few years. Whatever the reason, thats not good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 28 minutes ago, youngjebrey said: In beane we trust. If Brandon Beane signed a peloton bike for 3 years/ 80 mil to play corner I’d trust him. The Peloton bike is familiar with McDermott's system! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, CountDorkula said: See now this is good discussion, not just calling me "an idiot" which is 100% true BTW. It no doubt has to do about the contract, but if he was living up to it, he would not have been cut. no one can say he was good in Washington, He was allowing some of the highest completion % in teh league the last few years. Whatever the reason, thats not good. He was cut because of the contract and because he’s a poor fit for their defensive scheme. No reason to keep him. He didn’t live up to his deal with the previous regime either of course, also a poor fit for that scheme. Edited March 9, 2020 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: He was cut because of the contract and because he’s a poor fit for their defensive scheme. No reason to keep him. He didn’t live up to his deal with the previous regime either of course, also a poor fit for that scheme. I will say this, both Star Loutulelei(sp?) and Kelvin Benjamin were brought in for the very same reasons, and they haven't/did not work out. I understand Beane getting benefit, but some of the decisions have not been the greatest, especially when it comes to ex-panthers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafi$ Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 I hope none of that is guaranteed and they keep the receipt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 36 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: because Norman has been bad for the better part of 3 years. True I'll give you that. But he was also playing man to man often as the #1 cover guy. We've seen some guys are great at one system and stink at another. He now goes back to the exact system he flourished in and hes being asked to be the #2 guy at most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Smitty75 said: There is something that I don’t get with this contract, I saw 6M for 1 year but it can go to 8M, I just don’t understand why ? ? Number of snaps taken most likey. Other inectives for INTs, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig1Hunter Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: Never said that at all. McDs system comes from the Ron Rivera system, no? No, McDs system comes from Jim Johnson’s system. Rivera had nothing to do with McDs system. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCNC Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 I don't like the move, but nobody asked me.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: See this would make sense if his former HC in Ron Rivera wasn't the HC in Washington now. Didn’t Ron himself just get cut a short while ago for not doing well for the last couple of years? and then take a job with the crappiest organization in the league? I wouldn’t be at all surprised if JN asked to be cut just to get out of that sh-t show, knowing he would sign with another team. Lots of player sucked while playing for the skins. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 It's fine. I doubt they're looking at him to be much more than a rotational piece. And who says he's guaranteed a roster spot? He'll have to earn it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) I haven't seen any mention of guaranteed money. Since he won't get a game check until September, if he flames out at SJF, the team is out just the opportunity cost of having him around. In the meantime, he can mentor the younger members of the team, just like Mike Tolbert... Edited March 9, 2020 by Lurker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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