What really opened my eyes about JA 17 these last 2 years

[BillsBlue]

Hi all I just wanted to drop a few thoughts about our very polarizing 

Qb. I know there's a good number of bills fans and those outside the organization that still doubt Josh and his potential. He's a total enigma as told by many stat crunching sports writers. His stats aren't the prettiest but I'd say there is no competitor in the NFL that has MORE heart and grit to will a victory (I see him as a tie with 

The most determined and focused QBs in the league in this respect). 

And then there's the eyeball test, 

Watch this kid when he plants his feet and the line holds for him....it doesn't get much better than that and he hasn't had very much help the last 2 seasons. A big thing to me is that he made Zay Jones look above average with his alligator arms and all in 2018 the kid put up a decent season. How did that work out for Derek Carr in the black and silver?? Then he gets 3 new toys in Beasley,smoke and singletary and I'll call Knox an unreliable but high upside toy so really 3.5 new toys haha.  He gives smoke and Beasley career years in only his second season with an almost all new supporting cast and has shown a serious chemistry throwing to Knox. Sprinkle in an average to slightly above average oline his numbers this year between wins and total TDS and major improvement in total TDS to int/fumbles lost ratio in 2019 is phenomenal. 

 

I see this kid as willing to do what it takes to sniff a Superbowl and when he hits that stage I think he'll have improved enough at that point to not only beat the other team but to beat the refs in the process. 

 

Over and out thanks if you read this long post?

Edited February 28, 2020 by BillsBlue

[Your Brown Eye]

You couldn't just spell out Josh Allen?

[BuffaloBillies]

4 minutes ago, Your Brown Eye said:

You couldn't just spell out Josh Allen?

 

You couldn't just type JA in your question?

We all know who JA is.

[BillsBlue]

4 minutes ago, Your Brown Eye said:

You couldn't just spell out Josh Allen?

I absolutely could have.......boom fixed for your reading pleasure

[BuffAlone]

I feel like I've already read this exact thread in the recent past

[BillsBlue]

1 minute ago, BuffAlone said:

I feel like I've already read this exact thread in the recent past

I'd say it's possibly your subconscious at work and your inner thoughts possibly being in alignment with my detailed premise above

[Foxx]

[BigBillsFan]

Another Josh "The Victim" Allen: no weapons, no help, just him on an island against Godzilla.

[ngbills]

21 minutes ago, BillsBlue said:

Hi all I just wanted to drop a few thoughts about our very polarizing 

Qb. I know there's a good number of bills fans and those outside the organization that still doubt Josh and his potential. He's a total enigma as told by many stat crunching sports writers. His stats aren't the prettiest but I'd say there is no competitor in the NFL that has MORE heart and grit to will a victory (I see him as a tie with 

The most determined and focused QBs in the league in this respect). 

And then there's the eyeball test, 

Watch this kid when he plants his feet and the line holds for him....it doesn't get much better than that and he hasn't had very much help the last 2 seasons. A big thing to me is that he made Zay Jones look above average with his alligator arms and all in 2018 the kid put up decent season. How did that work out for Derek Carr in the black and silver?? Then he gets 3 new toys in Beasley,smoke and singletary and I'll call Knox an unreliable but high upside toy so really 2.5 new toys haha.  He gives smoke and Beasley career years in only his second season with an almost all new supporting cast and has shown a serious chemistry throwing to Knox. Sprinkle in an average to slightly above average oline his numbers this year between wins and total TDS and major improvement in total TDS to int/fumbles lost ratio in 2019 is phenomenal. 

 

I see this kid as willing to do what it takes to sniff a Superbowl and when he hits that stage I think he'll have improved enough at that point to not only beat the other team but to beat the refs in the process. 

 

Over and out thanks of you read this long post?

Just some fact checking:

 

Beasley had a good year. But was not too far off his normal production especially if you simply account for time on the field. Plus he has actually had a better year in 2016 - one being playing with a rookie Dak Prescott.

 

Brown also a good year. But he also has played well and similar in most of his career. Other years have been similar and again if account for time on the field it correlates. In 2015 he put up a 1000 yd season with a 36 year old carson palmer. 

 

Jones - He led the team in targets with the Bills and still only caught for 600 yds. Not a good example. 940 snaps in one year and 650 in the next. His numbers the first 4 weeks with the Bills were exactly the same as his numbers the rest of the year with the Raiders. 

 

[ProcessAccepted]

23 minutes ago, BuffAlone said:

I feel like I've already read this exact thread in the recent past

[H2o]

29 minutes ago, Foxx said:

I get to use this 2 days in a row 

14 minutes ago, ProcessAccepted said:

[GunnerBill]

One of the other 117 Josh Allen threads wasn't suitable for these thoughts, no?

[BillsBlue]

18 minutes ago, ngbills said:

Just some fact checking:

 

Beasley had a good year. But was not too far off his normal production especially if you simply account for time on the field. Plus he has actually had a better year in 2016 - one being playing with a rookie Dak Prescott.

 

Brown also a good year. But he also has played well and similar in most of his career. Other years have been similar and again if account for time on the field it correlates. In 2015 he put up a 1000 yd season with a 36 year old carson palmer. 

 

Jones - He led the team in targets with the Bills and still only caught for 600 yds. Not a good example. 940 snaps in one year and 650 in the next. His numbers the first 4 weeks with the Bills were exactly the same as his numbers the rest of the year with the Raiders. 

 

Still all impressive nonetheless imo and Palmer is nothing to sneeze at as well Dak is better than what people give him credit for and good catch about Beasley's best season I couldn't remember but I knew it was damn close and Dak had a damn good offense around him that season all in all not to mention an awesome line. 

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

One of the other 117 Josh Allen threads wasn't suitable for these thoughts, no?

I think there needs to be more we are bills fans aren't we??

[LabattBlue]

8 minutes ago, BillsBlue said:

I think there needs to be more we are bills fans aren't we??

YES!!!!  I suggest you start 4 or 5 Allen threads a day, and let me know how that works out with the mods?  If they tell you to knock it off, I'd double or even triple the number of Allen threads...until you get put in timeout.

[Chandler#81]

28 minutes ago, ngbills said:

Just some fact checking:

 

Beasley had a good year. But was not too far off his normal production especially if you simply account for time on the field. Plus he has actually had a better year in 2016 - one being playing with a rookie Dak Prescott.

 

Brown also a good year. But he also has played well and similar in most of his career. Other years have been similar and again if account for time on the field it correlates. In 2015 he put up a 1000 yd season with a 36 year old carson palmer. 

 

Jones - He led the team in targets with the Bills and still only caught for 600 yds. Not a good example. 940 snaps in one year and 650 in the next. His numbers the first 4 weeks with the Bills were exactly the same as his numbers the rest of the year with the Raiders. 

 

Facts? No. Conjecture. From a hater at that. Nothing the OP said was wrong nor worth a lame critique.

 

 

48 minutes ago, BillsBlue said:

I'd say it's possibly your subconscious at work and your inner thoughts possibly being in alignment with my detailed premise above

? um.. no. Nothing new here at all. Even haters realize astounding talent, skills and improved play from year 1 to 2. But it’s the lull period in the offseason, so...

I don’t recommend making a habit of repeating threads though.

[LABILLBACKER]

Year 1 Josh completely blew me away with his athleticism & scrambling ability. I thought this kid was some Bledsoe statue.

Year 2 Josh did exactly what I expected him to do. He improved his accuracy and pocket decision making. Yes he struggled in deep throws & ball security but that can be corrected. He was always a 3-4 year project. This is no news flash to any Bills fan or NFL pundit. I expect in year 3 Josh continues his gradual upward trajectory. He still needs more OL help. He still needs a #1TE. And especially he desperately needs a #1WR he can develop chemistry with. Last but not least Daboll will need to step up his game too. Use Josh exploiting all of his strengths. Incorporate that into your offensive structure. I want much more from Josh Allen then a Dalton/Tanahill type qb. 

[Rocky Landing]

1 hour ago, BillsBlue said:

Hi all I just wanted to drop a few thoughts about our very polarizing 

Qb. I know there's a good number of bills fans and those outside the organization that still doubt Josh and his potential. He's a total enigma as told by many stat crunching sports writers. His stats aren't the prettiest but I'd say there is no competitor in the NFL that has MORE heart and grit to will a victory (I see him as a tie with 

The most determined and focused QBs in the league in this respect). 

And then there's the eyeball test, 

Watch this kid when he plants his feet and the line holds for him....it doesn't get much better than that and he hasn't had very much help the last 2 seasons. A big thing to me is that he made Zay Jones look above average with his alligator arms and all in 2018 the kid put up decent season. How did that work out for Derek Carr in the black and silver?? Then he gets 3 new toys in Beasley,smoke and singletary and I'll call Knox an unreliable but high upside toy so really 2.5 new toys haha.  He gives smoke and Beasley career years in only his second season with an almost all new supporting cast and has shown a serious chemistry throwing to Knox. Sprinkle in an average to slightly above average oline his numbers this year between wins and total TDS and major improvement in total TDS to int/fumbles lost ratio in 2019 is phenomenal. 

 

I see this kid as willing to do what it takes to sniff a Superbowl and when he hits that stage I think he'll have improved enough at that point to not only beat the other team but to beat the refs in the process. 

 

Over and out thanks of you read this long post?

There really isn't too much to argue here. Some might disagree with the spin on Smoke, and Beasley's "career years," or that Allen made Jones look above average (or that Jones ever looked above average, for that matter). But, for the most part, I agree with your opinion on Allen. For me, the two games that really highlighted Allen's character were vs Pittsburg, and Dallas. He's hard to rattle (which made his O.T. performance vs. Houston doubly disappointing). 

 

But, I do have one issue with your post: Is Allen really "very polarizing?" I don't think so. Sure, there are the handful of usual suspects who will bend the narrative to fit their go-to negativity-- that's just a constant. And, there are plenty of posters who are skeptical. I'm skeptical. But, I would say the vast majority of Bills fans genuinely like him. In general, I'd say he is the opposite of polarizing-- he's downright inspiring, both for his team, and the fanbase. Tyrod Taylor was polarizing. EJ Manuel was polarizing. Peterman was polarizing. Josh Allen is Jesus Christ compared to those guys.

 

8 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Year 1 Josh completely blew me away with his athleticism & scrambling ability. I thought this kid was some Bledsoe statue.

Year 2 Josh did exactly what I expected him to do. He improved his accuracy and pocket decision making. Yes he struggled in deep throws & ball security but that can be corrected. He was always a 3-4 year project. This is no news flash to any Bills fan or NFL pundit. I expect in year 3 Josh continues his gradual upward trajectory. He still needs more OL help. He still needs a #1TE. And especially he desperately needs a #1WR he can develop chemistry with. Last but not least Daboll will need to step up his game too. Use Josh exploiting all of his strengths. Incorporate that into your offensive structure. I want much more from Josh Allen then a Dalton/Tanahill type qb. 

As my skepticism towards Allen has lessened, my skepticism towards Daboll has increased.

 

 

 

Edited February 27, 2020 by Rocky Landing

[BillsBlue]

9 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

There really isn't too much to argue here. Some might disagree with the spin on Smoke, and Beasley's "career years," or that Allen made Jones look above average (or that Jones ever looked above average, for that matter). But, for the most part, I agree with your opinion on Allen. For me, the two games that really highlighted Allen's character were vs Pittsburg, and Dallas. He's hard to rattle (which made his O.T. performance vs. Houston doubly disappointing). 

 

But, I do have one issue with your post: Is Allen really "very polarizing?" I don't think so. Sure, there are the handful of usual suspects who will bend the narrative to fit their go-to negativity-- that's just a constant. And, there are plenty of posters who are skeptical. I'm skeptical. But, I would say the vast majority of Bills fans genuinely like him. In general, I'd say he is the opposite of polarizing-- he's downright inspiring, both for his team, and the fanbase. Tyrod Taylor was polarizing. EJ Manuel was polarizing. Peterman was polarizing. Josh Allen is Jesus Christ compared to those guys.

 

As my skepticism towards Allen has lessened, my skepticism towards Daboll has increased.

 

 

 

Awesome reply and I agree about the Pittsburgh and cowboys games for sure

16 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Year 1 Josh completely blew me away with his athleticism & scrambling ability. I thought this kid was some Bledsoe statue.

Year 2 Josh did exactly what I expected him to do. He improved his accuracy and pocket decision making. Yes he struggled in deep throws & ball security but that can be corrected. He was always a 3-4 year project. This is no news flash to any Bills fan or NFL pundit. I expect in year 3 Josh continues his gradual upward trajectory. He still needs more OL help. He still needs a #1TE. And especially he desperately needs a #1WR he can develop chemistry with. Last but not least Daboll will need to step up his game too. Use Josh exploiting all of his strengths. Incorporate that into your offensive structure. I want much more from Josh Allen then a Dalton/Tanahill type qb. 

I concur I doubt dabolls game plans and play calls much more than I doubt Allen as well and see the same needs for the team thanks for a well written reply 

[Coach Tuesday]

I was sure it was going to be THE TRUTH.  The truth about Josh Allen (we call him "JA") is already spelled out in another thread.  

[BillsBlue]

3 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

I was sure it was going to be THE TRUTH.  The truth about Josh Allen (we call him "JA") is already spelled out in another thread.  

It's rare that I get a day off work to be able to read a ton of the board, I saw the thread a day ago about Josh Allen needing to be a running qb to be effective so I threw my opinion out there haha

[njbuff]

4 hours ago, BigBillsFan said:

Another Josh "The Victim" Allen: no weapons, no help, just him on an island against Godzilla.

 

Not even Josh Allen can take on Godzilla.

 

No one or nothing can.

 

?

[Trogdor]

4 minutes ago, njbuff said:

 

Not even Josh Allen can take on Godzilla.

 

No one or nothing can.

 

?

I'll hold off on that until Kong vs Godzilla. 

[njbuff]

2 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

I'll hold off on that until Kong vs Godzilla. 

 

Godzilla would destroy Kong.

 

Godzilla basically swallowed King Ghidorah, so how much of a chance would an ape have against an indestructible force like Godzilla? Quick answer.... none.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

Facts? No. Conjecture. From a hater at that. Nothing the OP said was wrong nor worth a lame critique.

 

I thought he had a lot of points correct.  For example, Beasley did have a slightly better year in 2016 than 2019, albeit in 16 games vs 15.  Then there are counterpoints: that was felt to be his prime and the reason the Cowboys let him go was that they felt he had slipped off. 

 

Brown did have almost as good a year in 2015 (his second season), but that year Larry Fitzgerald in his prime was drawing the best coverage.  The counterpoint question with Brown was, if he's the focus of coverage attention can he do as well?  Answer: yes, and Allen helped him do it. and also, where has he been in the 3 years since 2015?

 

 

[Meatloaf63]

5 hours ago, BigBillsFan said:

Another Josh "The Victim" Allen: no weapons, no help, just him on an island against Godzilla.

Big Bills Fan, except you are not...

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

5 hours ago, BigBillsFan said:

Another Josh "The Victim" Allen: no weapons, no help, just him on an island against Godzilla.

While I do agree with the OP, generally speaking, you’d think our other ten offensive players were culled from some little loop squad

22 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said:

Big Bills Fan, except you are not...

You do realize that being a fan doesn’t mean you have to believe every player on the roster is a budding all pro, or an absolute beast, or whatever superlatives you care to use.  This also goes for QB. Carry on. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

13 hours ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

While I do agree with the OP, generally speaking, you’d think our other ten offensive players were culled from some little loop squad

 

WTF is a "little loop squad"? 

 

When even the GM comes out and says "I should have done more" as he did about 2018, the talent dearth might be real

 

Quote

You do realize that being a fan doesn’t mean you have to believe every player on the roster is a budding all pro, or an absolute beast, or whatever superlatives you care to use.  This also goes for QB. Carry on. 

 

You do realize there's a lot of space between "Another Josh "The Victim" Allen: no weapons, no help, just him on an island against Godzilla. " and "budding all pro absolute beast" right?  Both are takes exaggerated to the point of parody.

[BigBillsFan]

We're on a board where people commonly insult each other for bad grammar, misspelling, and sexual innuendo and now me joking about Godzilla is a bridge too far. Really? Goosfraba!

 

A veteran athlete in the NFL isn't a bum, and outside of 20-50 players in the entire world better than him at his position any starter is fairly competent unless the coach puts in young players he wants to excel in the hopes they can be better than the vets who might be better today for salary cap reasons or potential.

 

Maybe the silly joke about Godzilla was to give perspective that the sky ain't falling and our talent isn't that bad on offense. Maybe a Tannehill can change the 28th offense to the 4th best. Sometimes 1 player makes a huge difference, sometimes it doesn't without the right coaching. It's a complex sport.

 

Cole Beasley is a fantastic athlete, the same with John Brown, Gore played fantastic to start the season, and Singletary is a great athlete and player. When people say Josh carried the team, or he had no weapons, or there is a dearth of talent I'm sorry but that's not a serious argument. 2018 season? Sure, but not 2019.

 

If it takes putting down legit vets and athletes to feel better about the QB than you've lost perspective.
 

Edited February 28, 2020 by BigBillsFan

[Punching Bag]

7 hours ago, BillsBlue said:

He gives smoke and Beasley career years in only his second season with an almost all new supporting cast and has shown a serious chemistry throwing to Knox.

Smoke and Beasley got more balls because there were more targets on previous teams and they are higher in pecking order here than they were there.  And Beasley had more yards in 2016.

 

John "Smoke" Brown.

		Game	Game	Rece	Rece	Rece	Rece	Rece	Rece	Rece	Rece	Rece	Rece	Rece
Year	Tm	G	GS	Tgt	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	1D	Lng	R/G	Y/G	Ctch%	Y/Tgt
Care		87	57	543	287	4290	14.9	28	204	75	3.3	49.3	52.9%	7.9
4 yr	ARI	56	27	331	173	2515	14.5	17	123	75	3.1	44.9	52.3%	7.6
1 yr	BAL	16	15	97	42	715	17.0	5	28	71	2.6	44.7	43.3%	7.4
1 yr	BUF	15	15	115	72	1060	14.7	6	53	53	4.8	70.7	62.6%	9.2
2014	ARI	16	5	102	48	696	14.5	5	31	75	3.0	43.5	47.1%	6.8
2015	ARI	15	11	101	65	1003	15.4	7	49	68	4.3	66.9	64.4%	9.9
2016	ARI	15	6	73	39	517	13.3	2	28	30	2.6	34.5	53.4%	7.1
2017	ARI	10	5	55	21	299	14.2	3	15	52	2.1	29.9	38.2%	5.4
2018	BAL	16	15	97	42	715	17.0	5	28	71	2.6	44.7	43.3%	7.4
2019	BUF	15	15	115	72	1060	14.7	6	53	53	4.8	70.7	62.6%	9.2

 

Cole Beasley

			Game	Game	Rece	Rece	Rece	Rece	Rece	Rece	Rece	Rece	Rece	Rece	Rece
Year	Age	Tm	G	GS	Tgt	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	1D	Lng	R/G	Y/G	Ctch%	Y/Tgt
Care	Care		118	32	556	386	4049	10.5	29	236	54	3.3	34.3	69.4%	7.3
7 yr	7 yr	DAL	103	22	450	319	3271	10.3	23	199	54	3.1	31.8	70.9%	7.3
1 yr	1 yr	BUF	15	10	106	67	778	11.6	6	37	51	4.5	51.9	63.2%	7.3
2012	23	DAL	10	0	24	15	128	8.5	0	8	20	1.5	12.8	62.5%	5.3
2013	24	DAL	14	3	54	39	368	9.4	2	21	23	2.8	26.3	72.2%	6.8
2014	25	DAL	16	2	49	37	420	11.4	4	26	45	2.3	26.3	75.5%	8.6
2015	26	DAL	16	3	75	52	536	10.3	5	31	30	3.3	33.5	69.3%	7.1
2016	27	DAL	16	6	98	75	833	11.1	5	51	47	4.7	52.1	76.5%	8.5
2017	28	DAL	15	4	63	36	314	8.7	4	20	54	2.4	20.9	57.1%	5.0
2018	29	DAL	16	4	87	65	672	10.3	3	42	32	4.1	42.0	74.7%	7.7
2019	30	BUF	15	10	106	67	778	11.6	6	37	51	4.5	51.9	63.2%	7.3

Provided by Pro-Football-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 2/27/2020.

 

Allen needed to make the throws yes but it is not all that surprising.

[BillsBlue]

2 hours ago, njbuff said:

 

Not even Josh Allen can take on Godzilla.

 

No one or nothing can.

 

?

I'd say Goku could defeat Godzilla ?

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I thought he had a lot of points correct.  For example, Beasley did have a slightly better year in 2016 than 2019, albeit in 16 games vs 15.  Then there are counterpoints: that was felt to be his prime and the reason the Cowboys let him go was that they felt he had slipped off. 

 

Brown did have almost as good a year in 2015 (his second season), but that year Larry Fitzgerald in his prime was drawing the best coverage.  The counterpoint question with Brown was, if he's the focus of coverage attention can he do as well?  Answer: yes, and Allen helped him do it. and also, where has he been in the 3 years since 2015?

 

 

Thanks for taking my points a bit further into detail I didn't even think that far into it ?

[LSHMEAB]

57 minutes ago, BigBillsFan said:

We're on a board where people common insult each other for bad grammar, misspelling
 

"commonly."

[BillsBlue]

56 minutes ago, BigBillsFan said:

We're on a board where people common insult each other for bad grammar, misspelling, and sexual innuendo and now me joking about Godzilla is a bridge too far. Really? Goosfraba!

 

A veteran athlete in the NFL isn't a bum, and outside of 20-50 players in the entire world better than him at his position any starter is fairly competent unless the coach puts in young players he wants to excel in the hopes they can be better than the vets who might be better today for salary cap reasons or potential.

 

Maybe the silly joke about Godzilla was to give perspective that the sky ain't falling and our talent isn't that bad on offense. Maybe a Tannehill can change the 28th offense to the 4th best. Sometimes 1 player makes a huge difference, sometimes it doesn't without the right coaching. It's a complex sport.

 

Cole Beasley is a fantastic athlete, the same with John Brown, Gore played fantastic to start the season, and Singletary is a great athlete and player. When people say Josh carried the team, or he had no weapons, or there is a dearth of talent I'm sorry but that's not a serious argument. 2018 season? Sure, but not 2019.

 

If it takes putting down legit vets and athletes to feel better about the QB than you've lost perspective.
 

Hey now I called Beasley and brown shiny new toys but honestly brown is a weak number 1 he is not open when he's not open he's no aj green or amari or Jones he's a level below that. So I'd say we have yet to see Josh's ceiling or even close to it when it comes to being a passer. Look at what other top QBs are working with, ***** mahomes has about 3 number 1 quality people who catch the ball between hill, mecole, and Watkins and then there's kelce.....I know I know mahomes is better but he's just unreal ...I'd like to see what Allen could do with that much surrounding talent and ref help 

[Mr. WEO]

someone....make it stop

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, BigBillsFan said:

We're on a board where people commonly insult each other for bad grammar, misspelling, and sexual innuendo and now me joking about Godzilla is a bridge too far. Really? Goosfraba!

 

If it was a “bridge too far”, it would be gone.  Do you really want to contend your comment about “Another Josh The Victim Allen” didn’t represent exaggeration to the point of parody?  

 

1 hour ago, BigBillsFan said:

Maybe the silly joke about Godzilla was to give perspective that the sky ain't falling and our talent isn't that bad on offense.

 

Because when I want to make a point that the talent isn’t bad on offense, I always make a comment that anyone criticizing it is “Another QB the Victim” thread. 

Nah, don’t think “perspective” was your goal here.

 

The talent is not “that bad” on offense.  But it’s not “that good” either.  Our OL improved from abysmal in 2018 to “overall decent”.  Our WR and TE likewise.  Our RB were able to run.

 

1 hour ago, BigBillsFan said:

Maybe a Tannehill can change the 28th offense to the 4th best. Sometimes 1 player makes a huge difference, sometimes it doesn't without the right coaching. It's a complex sport.

 

I would need context for what is referenced being the 28th offense or the 4th.  Tennessee finished the season 10th for points and 12th for yards on offense and #3 for rushing yards, so one might wish to contemplate that the Tennessee improvement on offense didn’t represent a change from Mariota to Tannehill alone.

 

1 hour ago, BigBillsFan said:

Cole Beasley is a fantastic athlete, the same with John Brown, Gore played fantastic to start the season, and Singletary is a great athlete and player. When people say Josh carried the team, or he had no weapons, or there is a dearth of talent I'm sorry but that's not a serious argument. 2018 season? Sure, but not 2019.

 

All NFL players are fantastic athletes.  Brown and Beasley are legit, very good quality NFL WR but they were able to be taken away by physical coverage and in Beasley’s case bracketing.  At times they were open and Allen did not throw to them.  Gore tailed off mid to late season and while Singletary shows great promise as a young RB, for whatever reason we kept putting Gore out there.  Knox showed great potential along with frustrating lapses.

 

Where has that been said in this thread?  Maybe I missed it, but you seem to be setting up some straw and then fervently attacking it.

 

1 hour ago, BigBillsFan said:

If it takes putting down legit vets and athletes to feel better about the QB than you've lost perspective.

 

I would agree with that, but see above.

[Foxx]

11 hours ago, BigBillsFan said:

If it takes putting down legit vets and athletes to feel better about the QB than you've lost perspective.

"then".

[Don Otreply]

19 hours ago, BigBillsFan said:

Another Josh "The Victim" Allen: no weapons, no help, just him on an island against Godzilla.

So, I think you really should open up and express your true feelings about Josh Allen, the coaches, and the team as a whole, your continued beating around the bush, leaves so much obviously unsaid. Don’t hold back, tell us what you really think... ??

[BillsBlue]

1 hour ago, Foxx said:

"then".

I'm pleased to see the grammar police are keeping things legit this fine friday morning ?

[Foxx]

46 minutes ago, BillsBlue said:

I'm pleased to see the grammar police are keeping things legit this fine friday morning ?

not really the grammar police here, more like the, 'you opened the door, so i'm going through it'.

 

 

Edited February 28, 2020 by Foxx

[Trogdor]

16 hours ago, njbuff said:

 

Godzilla would destroy Kong.

 

Godzilla basically swallowed King Ghidorah, so how much of a chance would an ape have against an indestructible force like Godzilla? Quick answer.... none.

Don't sleep on the newer, bigger, more improved Kong. He is about to drop some elbows off the top rope.

[njbuff]

2 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

Don't sleep on the newer, bigger, more improved Kong. He is about to drop some elbows off the top rope.

You can say what you want, but Kong is a 1000-1 underdog against Godzilla.

 

But it has to be written into the movie that Kong has to at least be majorly competitive and try to make it believable in the process.

 

No easy task.