Beane quotes on trading in the draft, board setup and he actually talked about WR busts in RD1

[Don Otreply]

Just now, Jauronimo said:

It appears by your ridiculous leap to a conclusion not supported by text that you're prone to ridiculous leaps of logic that are not supported by text.

 

It remains a FACT that Brandon Beane's  track record of drafting successful NFL WR's is non-existent.

Wow, Maybe less caffeine?? ? just shooting the breeze here is all, nuthin to get up about, have a nice evening. 
 

Go Bills!!!

[DCOrange]

1 hour ago, Reed83HOF said:

He is a very interesting prospect right now and his ranking is ridiculously fluid. Freely admit I haven't made it to him yet. Allbright has him in play at 15 for Denver!

Gettleman

Reagor is a really talented dude. Obviously TBD to see if he pans out in the NFL, but he’s in that Stefon Diggs/Santonio Holmes mold where they’re under 6’0” but are great at climbing the ladder and making contested catches and have the explosiveness you generally don’t get with other contested catch guys. 

Edited February 18, 2020 by DCOrange

[Reed83HOF]

Just now, DCOrange said:

Reagor is a really talented dude. Obviously TBD to see if he pans out in the NFL, but he’s in that Stefon Diggs/Santonio Holmes mild where they’re under 6’0” but are great at climbing the ladder and making contested catches and have the explosiveness you generally don’t get with other contested catch guys. 

I think that is a better type of player than the 6'4" guy who runs a 4.7.

 

Not directed at you:

 

The GM who said we need a WR who is open when he is covered is Buddy Nix - has Beane ever said that or has it just become a board narrative?

[3rdand12]

1 hour ago, Don Otreply said:

This regime, sans Beane did do badly with the Zay pick, and I don’t think anyone thought KB would be as useless as he was,  in the end that was on Beane, but he did redeem himself somewhat bringing in JB & CB.  
  This draft will tell a fuller picture of Beane and his teams evaluation skills of college WRs who can make it in the NFL, I am confident they will get it right, fingers crossed ?.
  On game day though, you are right, it all depends on Allen tightening up his game, and using the assets the team provides him successfully. 

 

Go Bills!!!

If you are confident ? Then why cross your fingers ? lol

This will be a revealing year for McBeanes. I think he remains patient and diligent.
and i expect him to make additions without splash. Such as Clowney

 or moving up in the 1st for a WR.

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

We have gotten by without 2 on a strong defense so far

Then Bills are signing a FA. Wallace and or Johnson.

Need continuity imo

[Punching Bag]

2 hours ago, Pokebball said:

Some QBs and WRs develop an embryonic relationship that grows into something that is difficult to explain.  WRs know where they need to go and what they need to do.  The QB knows what the WR is gonna do.  In order for Josh to be that special QB for the Bills, he needs a couple of WRs with that special relationship to him.

 

Perfect example of that is Stevie Johnson.  He worked with Fitzpatrick when both were backups and when the two became starters the catches exploded.  Stevie did not run perfect routes but he knew where he needed to be and Fitzpatrick was not having fit with WR because he did not "stick to plan".  The result: 3 1000+ yard seasons which had not occurred for Bills before and not duplicated since.  

[HOUSE]

Are we actually believing anything he says pre draft ?

 

 

 

[Reed83HOF]

9 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

Are we actually believing anything he says pre draft ?

 

 

 

 

This was last draft and his comments about WRs was entirely off the cuff and not brought up by a reporter - was brought entirely by himself

[HOUSE]

27 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

This was last draft and his comments about WRs was entirely off the cuff and not brought up by a reporter - was brought entirely by himself

 

Poker face

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, 3rdand12 said:

If you are confident ? Then why cross your fingers ? lol

This will be a revealing year for McBeanes. I think he remains patient and diligent.
and i expect him to make additions without splash. Such as Clowney

 or moving up in the 1st for a WR.

Then Bills are signing a FA. Wallace and or Johnson.

Need continuity imo

Fingers crossed because I’m a Bills fan, ???.

All kidding aside I do believe that Beane will do what’s needed, although maybe not what some might want him to do... 

 

Go Bills!!!

[Mr. WEO]

4 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Not to sidetrack this but look at that 2014 roster.  It was arguably the best team in the last 20 years.  Whaley isn’t close to as bad as he is made out to be here. 

 

QB	Kyle Orton
RB	Fred Jackson
WR	Sammy Watkins
WR	Robert Woods
TE	Lee Smith
LT	Cordy Glenn
LG	Kraig Urbik
C	Eric Wood
RG	Erik Pears
RT	Seantrel Henderson

 

 

uhhhhh.....

[BillsFan692]

4 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

EJ played 4 games and was 2-2.  They ended Peyton’s td streak and beat Aaron Rodgers without any offensive td.  They would have beaten last year’s team but I digress. 

LOL they would NOT Have beaten last years bills team are you out of your mind? Some people are living in a fantasy world.  THIS bills team is "the best" bills team we have had in 20+ years and that's a fact, jack. 

Edited February 18, 2020 by BillsFan692

[Dkollidas]

I’m so split on Shenault or an edge. I would say if Shenault is there with Epeness or Chaisson, I go edge. If both those guys are gone and you’re looking at Gross-Matos or Shenault, I take Shenault. 
 

I just think his fit and upside in this offense, along with this organizations seeming proficiency to deal with “injury prone” players (John Brown, Mitch Morse as examples), is perfect. I think it would allow Daboll to really show off some creativity. 

[Buffalo Junction]

7 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:

I more concerned about guys who can quickly get separation for DBs and those who can stop, adjust for a ball and accelerate quickly once they start again. Players around 5'11 to 6'2 ish will fit in well. We just can't go after a slot only guy who is 5'9".

 

A TE who can catch & one who can stay healthy (preferably this is 1 player) could add plenty of size for us in the EZ as well. I feel like at times we get too locked into size and forget about the rest of the picture

One guy who I can’t get out of my head as a match for Daboll’s system is Lynn Bowden Jr (KY). 6’1 200 lb. HS QB who converted to WR, lit it up, then went back to QB this season after injuries to the starter and backup... He proceeded to light up the SEC on the ground like L Jackson (8+ YPC) after racking up 30 receptions in the first half of the season. I have no clue where he’s going to end up getting drafted due to the positional switch, but the kid just balls out.... Plus he screams process. Switched positions for the team, cut his dreads off because he was nominated to represent KY at SEC media day, etc. 

 

 

 

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Edited February 18, 2020 by Buffalo Junction

[Aussie Joe]

8 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Not to sidetrack this but look at that 2014 roster.  It was arguably the best team in the last 20 years.  Whaley isn’t close to as bad as he is made out to be here. 

So what happened after 2014?

 

Revisit his drafts in 15-16 for a laugh...

[machine gun kelly]

As The Godfather Gil Brandt says the month before the draft is liars month where no staff actually gives any real information, and is only about deception, and I believe that month extends all the way to now for both FA and the draft.  I wouldn’t do anything different, and keep a lid as an organization on any leaks with a risk of termination.  More leaks happen as lies coming from agents MSU ( making s#$@t up) to get the best possible play for their players.

 

For every 1st rd WR bust in the draft, you can follow up with guys like Julio Jones, Calvin Johnson, OBJ ( even though he’s a pain in the ars).  There is risk with any position in RD 1.

[GunnerBill]

13 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:

IIRC, it is the same as BADOL's list - QB, Pass Rusher, LT, WR, CB 

 

Except he (Beane) includes middle linebacker and center. Having drafted Edmunds and give Morse a big deal though he presumably doesn't see either of those as "needs" at this moment. 

9 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

QB	Kyle Orton
RB	Fred Jackson
WR	Sammy Watkins
WR	Robert Woods
TE	Lee Smith
LT	Cordy Glenn
LG	Kraig Urbik
C	Eric Wood
RG	Erik Pears
RT	Seantrel Henderson

 

 

uhhhhh.....

 

I think he meant 2015. The 2015 roster is the best roster the Bills have had in my time as a fan. Sadly it was also the worst coach we have had in my time as a fan. 

[Phil The Thrill]

13 hours ago, WhoTom said:

 

It would appear that Whaley selected Sammy in order to establish EJ as the QB. If we had a franchise QB in place at the time, I doubt he would have made such a go-for-broke gamble. Doug probably knew that if EJ didn't work out, his own days would be numbered anyway, so he had nothing to lose by giving it a shot. I respect him for going down with a fight, if nothing else.

 

 

 

Oh yeah....nevermind the fact that this move SCREWED the Bills over for a few years.  
 

Ugh Whaley was such a terrible GM.  Give me one example when a WR made a QB?  It NEVER happens which is why everyone laughed at Whaley and why we all laugh at any Bills fan who has blind loyalty to Doug.  He’s where he belongs - the island of Misfit and defective toys - the XFL

Edited February 18, 2020 by Phil The Thrill

[BigBuff423]

I'm not a big fan of taking a WR in the 1st round, maybe ever - but especially this year. There will be guys in the 2nd and 3rd round that will out produce the guys in the 1st round and the talent is just as big a reason as opposed to other years when that's true, it's due to primarily where the WR goes (QB, scheme, etc.). People may not want to spend the 1st round pick on Defense, but make no mistake, this Defense needs another good OLB and as much as I like V. Joseph, right now he's a ST player that needs to grow. He can always evolve into a hybrid type of SS / LB to use but the Bills need a day 1 starting good OLB. 

[Chaos]

1 hour ago, Phil The Thrill said:

Oh yeah....nevermind the fact that this move SCREWED the Bills over for a few years.  
 

Ugh Whaley was such a terrible GM.  Give me one example when a WR made a QB?  It NEVER happens which is why everyone laughed at Whaley and why we all laugh at any Bills fan who has blind loyalty to Doug.  He’s where he belongs - the island of Misfit and defective toys - the XFL

I have often wondered how important Jerry Rice was to Joe Montana and Steve Young.  Not many teams have back to back HOF QBs.  Both were great QBs, but Rice is arguably the best ever at his position. 

[Don Otreply]

2 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

As The Godfather Gil Brandt says the month before the draft is liars month where no staff actually gives any real information, and is only about deception, and I believe that month extends all the way to now for both FA and the draft.  I wouldn’t do anything different, and keep a lid as an organization on any leaks with a risk of termination.  More leaks happen as lies coming from agents MSU ( making s#$@t up) to get the best possible play for their players.

 

For every 1st rd WR bust in the draft, you can follow up with guys like Julio Jones, Calvin Johnson, OBJ ( even though he’s a pain in the ars).  There is risk with any position in RD 1.

Listening to Beane, he in effect talks in circles always hedging his statements during this time of the year, but looking at his actions parred with his statements over a longer time period one can get a bit of an idea of what he may likely be aiming to do. Not that I would ever hedge my statements about his statements. ?

 

Go Bills!!!

[WhoTom]

2 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said:

Oh yeah....nevermind the fact that this move SCREWED the Bills over for a few years.  
 

Ugh Whaley was such a terrible GM.  Give me one example when a WR made a QB?  It NEVER happens which is why everyone laughed at Whaley and why we all laugh at any Bills fan who has blind loyalty to Doug.  He’s where he belongs - the island of Misfit and defective toys - the XFL

 

I never said I liked the decision or that it was good for the Bills (it obviously wasn't), just that I understood his perspective on it.

 

 

[section122]

2 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said:

Oh yeah....nevermind the fact that this move SCREWED the Bills over for a few years.  
 

Ugh Whaley was such a terrible GM.  Give me one example when a WR made a QB?  It NEVER happens which is why everyone laughed at Whaley and why we all laugh at any Bills fan who has blind loyalty to Doug.  He’s where he belongs - the island of Misfit and defective toys - the XFL

 

Randy Moss made Daunte Culpepper.

 

The list isn't long but there are examples.  What is true is that talent at wr helps young qbs tremendously.  I have put the list up so I will only do the condensed version here.

 

Eagles went out and surrounded Wentz, Rams did the same with Goff, hell even the Bears tried to with Trubisky,  Mahomes walked into an incredibly talented team.  Almost every young qb is given excellent receiving talent to help them out.  It is part of the winning with a qb on a rookie contract formula that so many teams are using (succesfully I might add).  It is what makes this year so important for the Bills.  They need to give Josh some bonafide A talent on offense. 

[hjnick]

14 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

QB	Kyle Orton
RB	Fred Jackson
WR	Sammy Watkins
WR	Robert Woods
TE	Lee Smith
LT	Cordy Glenn
LG	Kraig Urbik
C	Eric Wood
RG	Erik Pears
RT	Seantrel Henderson

 

 

uhhhhh.....

 

Wish we had Lee Smith on our team 5 years ago.... We did... *sigh*

[Reed83HOF]

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Except he (Beane) includes middle linebacker and center. Having drafted Edmunds and give Morse a big deal though he presumably doesn't see either of those as "needs" at this moment.

 

 

in McD's scheme MLB is important. I entirely should have added that since as I have been quoting Beane, he was a top playing in a position of need. If you use your OLBs as pass rushers, obviously those move up the list. In our scheme, not as much...

 

I'm not sure center is a premium position, but it certainly was a huge need for us. Not having an anchor at center in the 2018 was awful; it was a huge need for us as well once we focused on rebuilding the OL. At this time last year, my preference was McCoy or Jenkins with our second rounder if we didn't go after Morse (only FA center I wanted). I loved Bradbury as a prospect and he went at a good slot. 

[Reed83HOF]

5 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

It's a bad reason to pass if that's the case.... your suggesting they didn't draft a single WR last draft because this years class is a lot better.... so basically the thought was no WR was worth it. They were dead wrong about that and have been a lot with the WR position. 

 

His comments and actions suggest hes a little hesistant with the position. 

You have to look at drafts with players available in positions of need - they rebuilt the OL and signed 2 FA WRs drafted a TE, signed a TE and most likely hoped for some develop of the other WRs on our roster. Josh had tons of question marks as well. At pick#9 Oliver was the correct choice - Cody Ford might be a good player as a G, still don't see RT and I honestly expected another position at that pick.

 

I am sure they evaluated the talent level of the WRs in the draft and when thee picks came up, the looked at those WRs values and the players we ultimately took, if values are similar they fill the need if there is a talent disparity they take the guy who is rated higher. I would say that most FOs & scouts also know what is coming up the following season and if you see depth in that draft for a particular position and they are most likely scouting those underclassman as well - they have a good feel how the WRs last year mixed with what they saw out of this class. On those close calls in the 3rd, 4th, 5th rounds etc. they felt more comfortable going the  way we need knowing there is a to of overall depth this year. It's very fluid and not absolute.

 

Metcalf went to a great situation last year. N'keal Harry did not look good. Hollywood had a good season, but their are WRs in this draft who will be just as good and have even higher ceilings. As of last year alone Metcalf > Ford; that I agree with

12 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

So what happened after 2014?

 

Revisit his drafts in 15-16 for a laugh...

Don't revist any draft before 2017 and after TD was canned - they are not pretty at all. Seriously, it is beyond gut wrenching

[Reed83HOF]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

I'm sure they did too... they opted for a questionable RT over a premier position..... a premier position of need on the team in WR... several said they needed to do more at the position and they opted to not draft one WR despite the need. 

 

 

They signed 2 WRs in UFA, hard to say they didn't address it despite the need. There are some who really wanted Metcalf and others who didn't; I feel that is what your beef is coming down to, plenty of teams passed on him twice. You can't say they didn't address WR, because they did and yes there is increased need here for 1 more starter and new depth in WRs 4-6. If you asked anyone last year, the OL needed to improve more than anything else...

[GunnerBill]

38 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

 

in McD's scheme MLB is important. I entirely should have added that since as I have been quoting Beane, he was a top playing in a position of need. If you use your OLBs as pass rushers, obviously those move up the list. In our scheme, not as much...

 

I'm not sure center is a premium position, but it certainly was a huge need for us. Not having an anchor at center in the 2018 was awful; it was a huge need for us as well once we focused on rebuilding the OL. At this time last year, my preference was McCoy or Jenkins with our second rounder if we didn't go after Morse (only FA center I wanted). I loved Bradbury as a prospect and he went at a good slot. 

 

The reason I include center is because when they extended Eric Wood they talked at length in interviews about the importance of that position. As well as that, it was ALWAYS a position Carolina valued and invested in. Both under Hurns and Gettleman so I think Beane comes from that "center still matters" school. That said he did go into a year with Groy and Bodine..... I think it probably comes after all the other spots you have mentioned but I am convinced he would rank center as the best of the rest. Before right tackle, or running back, or tight end or safety or CB2 etc.

[Reed83HOF]

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The reason I include center is because when they extended Eric Wood they talked at length in interviews about the importance of that position. As well as that, it was ALWAYS a position Carolina valued and invested in. Both under Hurns and Gettleman so I think Beane comes from that "center still matters" school. That said he did go into a year with Groy and Bodine..... I think it probably comes after all the other spots you have mentioned but I am convinced he would rank center as the best of the rest. Before right tackle, or running back, or tight end or safety or CB2 etc.

Can't argue with any of that

[Mr. WEO]

6 hours ago, section122 said:

 

Randy Moss made Daunte Culpepper.

 

The list isn't long but there are examples.  What is true is that talent at wr helps young qbs tremendously.  I have put the list up so I will only do the condensed version here.

 

Eagles went out and surrounded Wentz, Rams did the same with Goff, hell even the Bears tried to with Trubisky,  Mahomes walked into an incredibly talented team.  Almost every young qb is given excellent receiving talent to help them out.  It is part of the winning with a qb on a rookie contract formula that so many teams are using (succesfully I might add).  It is what makes this year so important for the Bills.  They need to give Josh some bonafide A talent on offense. 

 

After that, how did he do with Kerry Collins/Andrew Walter/Aaron Brooks?

[3rdand12]

21 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

Fingers crossed because I’m a Bills fan, ???.

All kidding aside I do believe that Beane will do what’s needed, although maybe not what some might want him to do... 

 

Go Bills!!!

he has earned a reasonable degree of faith from us Fans.
some day perhaps ?   we will learn to love again

20 hours ago, Dkollidas said:

I’m so split on Shenault or an edge. I would say if Shenault is there with Epeness or Chaisson, I go edge. If both those guys are gone and you’re looking at Gross-Matos or Shenault, I take Shenault. 
 

I just think his fit and upside in this offense, along with this organizations seeming proficiency to deal with “injury prone” players (John Brown, Mitch Morse as examples), is perfect. I think it would allow Daboll to really show off some creativity. 

great depth in WR.s get two ! In the later rounds.

 and don't reach far for any player you covet Brandon !

[Don Otreply]

1 minute ago, 3rdand12 said:

he has earned a reasonable degree of faith from us Fans.
some day perhaps ?   we will learn to love again

Beane did a good job for the 2019 season, 2018 was an all around mess, for multiple reasons. I for one think he has done a good job for Buffalo, best GM we have had for quite some time. 
 

Go Bills!!!

[3rdand12]

4 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

I'm sure they did too... they opted for a questionable RT over a premier position..... a premier position of need on the team in WR... several said they needed to do more at the position and they opted to not draft one WR despite the need. 

 

 

They addressed the Whole Offense to varying degrees.
That is of wide ranging opinion. Surely not a finished WR room. But I imagine it will look better yet before preseason

[3rdand12]

14 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Beane did a good job for the 2019 season, 2018 was an all around mess, for multiple reasons. I for one think he has done a good job for Buffalo, best GM we have had for quite some time. 
 

Go Bills!!!

2018 was just weird. all the cost cutting still going strong. and odd choices. tested my faith  in The Process : )

Still hurting from trying to field players like Clay and Benjamin, Zay jones. etc

The O Line was concerning.

 

 For me Beane has shown enough all around improvement last season in FA , contracts ! and a Draft , that i am going to give him the benefit of the doubt . That some are yet lingering to give.
 

[Buffalo Junction]

7 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:

You have to look at drafts with players available in positions of need - they rebuilt the OL and signed 2 FA WRs drafted a TE, signed a TE and most likely hoped for some develop of the other WRs on our roster. Josh had tons of question marks as well. At pick#9 Oliver was the correct choice - Cody Ford might be a good player as a G, still don't see RT and I honestly expected another position at that pick.

 

I am sure they evaluated the talent level of the WRs in the draft and when thee picks came up, the looked at those WRs values and the players we ultimately took, if values are similar they fill the need if there is a talent disparity they take the guy who is rated higher. I would say that most FOs & scouts also know what is coming up the following season and if you see depth in that draft for a particular position and they are most likely scouting those underclassman as well - they have a good feel how the WRs last year mixed with what they saw out of this class. On those close calls in the 3rd, 4th, 5th rounds etc. they felt more comfortable going the  way we need knowing there is a to of overall depth this year. It's very fluid and not absolute.

 

Metcalf went to a great situation last year. N'keal Harry did not look good. Hollywood had a good season, but their are WRs in this draft who will be just as good and have even higher ceilings. As of last year alone Metcalf > Ford; that I agree with

I can’t  rule out the possibility that they didn’t see Metcalf as a fit for Daboll’s offense due to complexity, or they were afraid of the neck injury. It’s also possible that McB decided a WR was useless unless Allen had time to throw. As to the former, I’m starting to look into WRs that may have an edge conceptually with regards to Daboll’s scheme. That’ll include Alabama WRs that have played under him and WRs with QB experience (Lynn Bowden) or advanced insight into NFL life (V Jefferson, Reagor, etc)

[Buffalo Junction]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

That’s a bad possibility.... you got a system problem when you can’t draft a talented and good WR because your system is too complex.

Agree. J Brown commented on it though, so it can’t be ruled out. The Pats have used guys with QB experience for years.... There’s enough smoke to look for fire. That said, it just means that it might take longer for some of the raw guys to show well in this offense. As much as it’s a potential issue there are a lot of guys in the draft who fit the Bill: Jeudy, Ruggs, Reagor, V Jefferson, etc. I expect them to take two unless they grab an AJ Green. 

[Don Otreply]

3 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:

2018 was just weird. all the cost cutting still going strong. and odd choices. tested my faith  in The Process : )

Still hurting from trying to field players like Clay and Benjamin, Zay jones. etc

The O Line was concerning.

 

 For me Beane has shown enough all around improvement last season in FA , contracts ! and a Draft , that i am going to give him the benefit of the doubt . That some are yet lingering to give.
 

All of the above, 

[416BillsFan]

Why would he zay that?

[GreggTX]

Beane needs to start nailing his 1st round picks, period. Oliver still has a shot at being elite and Edmunds could be OK, but Allen remains a work in progress.

[ganesh]

On 2/18/2020 at 3:18 AM, RyanC883 said:

 

I could see a CB in Rd. 1 if Bean thinks the guy is a CB1 talent.  Having two CB1 talents on a team is a necessity.  It would depend on whether the DE's he wants are gone or not.  I think we go WR in Rd. 2 and 3.  

or if the Bills are able to re-sign Kevin Johnson in FA.   

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

On 2/17/2020 at 3:25 PM, C.Biscuit97 said:

Not to sidetrack this but look at that 2014 roster.  It was arguably the best team in the last 20 years.  Whaley isn’t close to as bad as he is made out to be here. 

I agree with 90% of your posts but this one I have to disagree on. Whaley and Brandon are the main reason we had a 20 year drought. I was so sure about Whaley that I said when he is fired no other team will hire him.