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1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Trust me, I’m not losing any sleep over JN.  But I just think given his salary and supposed role in Washington, it would be a much different situation here.  But I’m more than fine with drafting a guy.  In fact, I’m prepared for a 1st round cb to make BillfromNYC lose his mind again! 🤯

CBs don't age well. We are better off drafting one (not necessarily in the first round). Given Norman's age and his performance he should be a hard pass for the Bills. 

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2 hours ago, BillsMafi$ said:

Another player to keep an eye on possibly?

 

#Redskins are releasing CB Josh Norman, source says. Intriguing situation to watch, as he now has time to find his new team ahead of free agency.

 

-Mike Garafalo

That’s because zone CB are not worth over 60 mil 5 years. The most I would pay is a 12.5 mil a year average for a zone CB. We will be in the same boat with White when he wants his 85 mil for 5 years

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Norman played very well in a system similar to the one we run, but Dan the Fan & Bruce Allen don't understand concepts like scheme fit.

 

They just saw "good CB" and backed up the Brinks truck for a zone corner only to play him in a man heavy coverage scheme. He didn't suck, but he didn't play up to the level of his contract because he was never that kind of player in the first place.

 

Carolina thought enough of him to tag him while trying to re-sign him but pulled the tag when it became clear he wasn't going to what they thought he was worth.

 

No one was more surprised than Norman when the Redskins offered to make him the highest paid CB in the league.

 

Put back in a scheme that better utilizes his skill set, and at a more reasonable price, he could be a valuable acquisition.

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1 hour ago, JGMcD2 said:

It’s because Levi struggled for a stretch last season and most posters on this board aren’t ok with the ups and downs that occur week to week or season to season in the NFL. Player has to be an All-Pro consistently or else they’re worthless. 
 

It’s called being a fan and not having any ability to detach and assess, or evaluate talent. 

I totally agree. Just figured he's only going into year 3 and was an UDFA rookie , so ppl would cut him some slack. Definitely add competition, best man wins 

I mean, I'd actually like to add the best CB available and build on a strength. AJ Bouye if released is interesting. 

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3 hours ago, dneveu said:


Levi is free garbage... he's also 24.

 

I don't  get the Levi is garbage thing.  I mean, if we have one starting CB who is garbage, the other 3 guys in our secondary are absolute studs then.  I think Levi is just unfairly compared to White, who, IMO, is the best CB in the league, along with Hyde/Poyer, who are also fantastic.  

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3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 


id be curious about the advanced metric guys chiming in on if he played any better in certain sets, zone vs man etc... the last two years or just toast at all times 

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48 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

I totally agree. Just figured he's only going into year 3 and was an UDFA rookie , so ppl would cut him some slack. Definitely add competition, best man wins 

I mean, I'd actually like to add the best CB available and build on a strength. AJ Bouye if released is interesting. 

I think I commented on this in another thread about signing Greg Olsen. Everyone is clamoring to cut Croom/Sweeney/Kroft/Smith if we sign him... why? 
 

I’d rather just keep 5 TE for camp that have all played meaningful NFL snaps and see what happens in a competition. Your entire team can’t be filled with superstars but if you can get some veteran talent that’s had some success and sprinkle it everywhere it’s never a bad thing. 
 

We’ve got like 56 players on our roster right now, all of which were part of the organization this past season during our playoff run... so a bunch of guys who know what it takes to win. Only a handful of FA, most of which will be back for cheap + $90M to spend and 9(?) draft picks... why not just stockpile assets and see what happens? 

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44 minutes ago, NoSaint said:


id be curious about the advanced metric guys chiming in on if he played any better in certain sets, zone vs man etc... the last two years or just toast at all times 

 

That was my question too earlier in the thread.

 

He definitely played zone with McDermott in Carolina, but was he not tasked with playing man in Washington?

 

Some guys just excel in one and are poor in the other

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4 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Levi is garbage. Bring in Norman to compete for the 2 or 3 spot and see how it goes. I'm for re-signing KJ too. Would rather have the 2 of them (Norman/KJ) battling it out than Levi.

 

Agreed we need to draft one, but might be able to find one in the 4th or 5th.

Ah, Norman is pretty much garbage now and he's old. 

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3 minutes ago, Spiderweb said:

Ah, Norman is pretty much garbage now and he's old. 

 

Yeah, I've come around to that in the 4 hours since I originally posted. haha.

 

Maaaaaybe for non-guaranteed vet minimum, I'd bring him into camp to see whats up and let him compete and push the younger guys.

 

But yeah, I think I saw that he played 8 games and gave up 7 TDs. yikes.

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Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Yeah, I've come around to that in the 4 hours since I originally posted. haha.

 

Maaaaaybe for non-guaranteed vet minimum, I'd bring him into camp to see whats up and let him compete and push the younger guys.

 

But yeah, I think I saw that he played 8 games and gave up 7 TDs. yikes.

He left whatever game he had in Carolina. We should look elsewhere.

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1 hour ago, RyanC883 said:

 

I don't  get the Levi is garbage thing.  I mean, if we have one starting CB who is garbage, the other 3 guys in our secondary are absolute studs then.  I think Levi is just unfairly compared to White, who, IMO, is the best CB in the league, along with Hyde/Poyer, who are also fantastic.  

 

Speaking only for myself and as someone who calls Levi garbage, I am definitely not comparing how he plays to how Tre/Hyde/Poyer play, but rather watching him get picked on and burnt again and again.

1 minute ago, Spiderweb said:

He left whatever game he had in Carolina. We should look elsewhere.

 

Although folks raise a good point. Was it the scheme and what he was asked to do in Carolina that made him so good? If so, that leads to the question, can he regain any of it back by coming back to McD?

 

If he's cheap and non-guaranteed, I'm not against bringing him in. Not counting on anything though.

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1 hour ago, RyanC883 said:

 

I don't  get the Levi is garbage thing.  I mean, if we have one starting CB who is garbage, the other 3 guys in our secondary are absolute studs then.  I think Levi is just unfairly compared to White, who, IMO, is the best CB in the league, along with Hyde/Poyer, who are also fantastic.  

He's not garbage and he is a good depth guy who works his tail off.  He's just not fast enough to be a reliable #2 CB.

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2 hours ago, Captain Murica said:

 

cleaning house

Again!

 

Snyder sure knows how to run a team.

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Norman is terrible.  He couldn't even start for the Deadskins much of the season, and he wasn't hurt. 

3 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

 

I don't  get the Levi is garbage thing.  I mean, if we have one starting CB who is garbage, the other 3 guys in our secondary are absolute studs then.  I think Levi is just unfairly compared to White, who, IMO, is the best CB in the league, along with Hyde/Poyer, who are also fantastic.  

Levi isn't going to take you anywhere.  He's simply not good, White or no White.

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8 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

He was just so bad in Washington. Like bad bad. Now he’s old, too. Just not feeling it. 

 

 

...yup....whoa no if Rivera says no..........

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If there’s one position I trust McD to get right, it’s DB. Don’t let anything like loyalty come into the picture, just do it right. 

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4 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

 

I don't  get the Levi is garbage thing.  I mean, if we have one starting CB who is garbage, the other 3 guys in our secondary are absolute studs then.  I think Levi is just unfairly compared to White, who, IMO, is the best CB in the league, along with Hyde/Poyer, who are also fantastic.  

I think this argument is valid but there's no denying that Levi's play fell off substantially in 2019 compared to 2018. Maybe he bounces back some but I can easily see McD drafting a CB2 future guy. Wallace is not a long term solution. 

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Watch at 50 seconds in:


Pennington on a washed up Robinson. :sick:

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I’d try and bring him in for close to the minimum with no gtd money and see what he has left.  I’d like to sign many players to that same deal.  

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