Myles Garrett Still Claiming Racial Slur

[Punching Bag]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think he meant offensive term "Brown" as in "Cleveland Brown"

Unsure, though.

 

 

Yep. Maybe Browns ought to change name.  And I meant same thing.

 

Words change meaning.  "Gay" used to mean "happy" before it was co-opted by one group.

[Buffalo86]

If Garrett was smart, he'd say Rudolph said something about not supporting our troops.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

59 minutes ago, Buffalo86 said:

If Garrett was smart, he'd say Rudolph said something about not supporting our troops.  

Brilliant.  Either that or LEO

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

 

I think he broke his hand punching out a car window. Does that get you an award of some type? A trophy? Maybe a medal or at least a ribbon you can put around his neck.............and then twist until he changes colors? 

 

 

 

 

Uh oh, he brings out my dark side. 

That ex-Eagle player who is on that show First Take talked about that Riley incident this morning.

 

He said there was more than a handful guys that really wanted to fight him.  There was extra scuffles after plays when Riley would get the ball at practice.  
Maybe the coaching staff should have let the fights last longer before breaking it up?

[Augie]

9 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

That ex-Eagle player who is on that show First Take talked about that Riley incident this morning.

 

He said there was more than a handful guys that really wanted to fight him.  There was extra scuffles after plays when Riley would get the ball at practice.  
Maybe the coaching staff should have let the fights last longer before breaking it up?

 

Maybe just walk out and drive home, letting nature take it’s course?

 

I’m generally one to give people the benefit of the doubt. He’s a special case. 

 

Punching through the window, at least the first time, happened in HS. Not sure if they would even know about that time.  I wonder about his mental health. He’s a mess from all I’ve seen and heard. 

Edited February 15, 2020 by Augie

[LB3]

4 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

I disagree.  You call me the n word, prepare to schedule dental surgery in the immediate future.

You must punch hard. How do you prepare for jail afterwards? Butt crunches?

[Prickly Pete]

Yaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwn

[LB3]

Just now, 32ABBA said:

Yaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwn

Come on. This whole thing is hilarious. After Garrett claimed racism, he literally said "I'm not trying to make this racial." ?

[Augie]

Sticks and stones.........

 

 

Grown ups should never let words lead to violence. Period. Be an example for the kids, because they need to know this too. Inexcusable. If people say the most horrific things possible to your face, just feel sorry for them. It doesn’t change you. 

[CSBill]

22 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

I’m from Cleveland.  People around the team were talking about it that same day.  I think the NFL wants to avoid the PR nightmare.  No way do they even admit it happened. 

 

We hear, or make up the narrative, of what we want to hear--especially NFL football fans. Maybe it did happen, but there has been no collaborating evidence. Doesn't work in the court of law nor in the court of public opinion. Move on Myles, and Browns fanboys.

Edited February 15, 2020 by CSBill

[Chicken Boo]

11 hours ago, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said:

You must punch hard. How do you prepare for jail afterwards? Butt crunches?

 

"I felt threatened"  "Feared for my life" or does that only work for cops?

[Rochesterfan]

19 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Well Mason should sue then.  

 

You keep saying this - you do understand to sue for libel - you must show how it  financially impacted you and your future earnings.  Just because someone says something about you does not mean you automatically can sue.  Even if it is a bold face lie.
 

Additionally - all suing does it keep it in the spotlight.  If there was truth to it or not - how are they going to prove anything - the players on the Steelers that were there denied it.  No Browns were close enough to hear anything - so it would be MG stating his piece versus a few Steelers with No real evidence.  Not exactly law suit material.

 

In the end - either way the ends are not justified by the means - you have a player that deserved to be suspended and has now been reinstated.  We will see how long before his next suspension as he as continually pushed the line and even in his limited time before this was noted as a dirty player. 

[FireChans]

16 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

"I felt threatened"  "Feared for my life" or does that only work for cops?

Something tells me you’re seeing red behind your keyboard right now.

[CoudyBills]

19 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

Ah yes, the provocateur lies to stir up trouble. Part of the conspiratorial playbook. Could smell that from far off. Thanks for doing the legwork.

I quit reading as soon as he let it be known that he is from Cleveland.  

[CoudyBills]

16 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

They spilled moonshine on themselves.

How rude.

[LB3]

38 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

"I felt threatened"  "Feared for my life" or does that only work for cops?

[CoudyBills]

8 hours ago, Augie said:

Sticks and stones.........

 

 

Grown ups should never let words lead to violence. Period. Be an example for the kids, because they need to know this too. Inexcusable. If people say the most horrific things possible to your face, just feel sorry for them. It doesn’t change you. 

Yeah, I can't get on board with this 100%.  This dovetails into the bullying discussion.  Maybe the stats weren't kept until the last few decades, but I don't recall the child suicide rate related to bullying ever being as high as it is.  This whole teaching kids to just endure it and "be the bigger person" doesn't work. 

24 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Something tells me you’re seeing red behind your keyboard right now.

Someone needs to talk to somebody.

[Teddy KGB]

Myles Garrett is a trashbag just like Michael Bennett and Jussie Smollett. 
 

Wasting everyone’s time with ????

[H2o]

Rudolph just responded:

 

 

 

 

[CommonCents]

Tomlin also just made a statement. 

 

I hope MG gets his ass beat out there this year, I can get over the mistake he made on the field. I can’t stomach a premeditated salvage attempt that in turn hurts another guy. 

 

What a scrub.

[whatdrought]

Tomlin came out with a strong denial of the racial slur. Said if it had happened, he’d have heard about it sooner than it was revealed.

 

still feels like Garret is trying to skirt some of the blame and playing the race card is a way to do so. 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[ExiledInIllinois]

When did Jussie Smollett become a football player...

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

47 minutes ago, H2o said:

Rudolph just responded:

 

 

 

 

 

In case anyone wonders if Rudolph's claim of character assasination is overblown, there are these.  Looks to me like he could have a point. 
1) The consequences of what Garrett is claiming are real for Rudolph (see below)
2) I "get it" that a racial slur would 100% make a guy see red, but isn't that the point of trash-talk during a game, see if you can get the guy to lose it?  Is Garrett trying to claim that a racial slur would justify him clocking a player on his bare head with a 6 lb helmet?

 

 

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

2 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

You keep saying this - you do understand to sue for libel - you must show how it  financially impacted you and your future earnings.  Just because someone says something about you does not mean you automatically can sue.  Even if it is a bold face lie.
 

Additionally - all suing does it keep it in the spotlight.  If there was truth to it or not - how are they going to prove anything - the players on the Steelers that were there denied it.  No Browns were close enough to hear anything - so it would be MG stating his piece versus a few Steelers with No real evidence.  Not exactly law suit material.

 

In the end - either way the ends are not justified by the means - you have a player that deserved to be suspended and has now been reinstated.  We will see how long before his next suspension as he as continually pushed the line and even in his limited time before this was noted as a dirty player. 

He is indeed threatening to sue, and his attorney had a statement about it 

[PirateHookerMD]

Agents probably won't let him, but he should file assault charges and sue him for defamation.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

If I’m Mason I’m taking a lie detector test on live tv to make Garrett look even worse and clear up any doubters. 

[NoSaint]

13 hours ago, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said:

Come on. This whole thing is hilarious. After Garrett claimed racism, he literally said "I'm not trying to make this racial." ?

to be fair, IF, he was called that he didn’t do anything to make a racial issue, really.

[PirateHookerMD]

4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

Hell yea. Sue this race-bating loser to the ground. NFL absolutely has a recording of everything that was said. If it was true it would have come out. Not a single person backed up Garrett's account. 

Edited February 15, 2020 by PirateHookerMD

[CommonCents]

What hasn’t been talked about, Mason is a fringe player because he has been pretty bad. He should go after the money. Teach Garrett and his agent a lesson. 

[Chicken Boo]

2 hours ago, FireChans said:

Something tells me you’re seeing red behind your keyboard right now.

 

Not at all, but the amount of reactions I'm getting from 2 comments isn't surprising.

[NoSaint]

3 minutes ago, PirateHookerMD said:

 

Hell yea. Sue this race-bating loser to the ground. NFL absolutely has a recording of everything that was said. If it was true it would have come out. Not a single person backed up Garrett's account. 

The flip side. He says it right after they hit the ground in a loud stadium. How many people would hear it? 
 

theres essentially no way to document or prove or... you just let the incident go at that point. Anyone going super hard in the paint either direction is speaking more about Their own views than this incident. I get having some opinions about what’s most likely but not getting worked up 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

56 minutes ago, CommonCents said:

Tomlin also just made a statement. 

 

I hope MG gets his ass beat out there this year, I can get over the mistake he made on the field. I can’t stomach a premeditated salvage attempt that in turn hurts another guy. 

 

What a scrub.

 

That's pretty much where I am. 

 

I felt bad for Garrett when the indefinite suspension came down.  I thought that was lame by the NFL. 

 

I listened to defensive players around the league speak on it and it was pretty clear they all had a rueful acknowledgement along the lines of "there but for the grace of God and my teammates separating me, there could go I".  As 'Zo Alexander said, "All you see is red.  You don't know or care if there's a helmet in your hand or if there's not a helmet in your hand"

 

I think all the good defenders play right on the edge of control between the whistles and I'm sure it's hard to turn it off.  I also thought Rudolph was at fault for going after Garrett after his lineman had walked Garrett away from him.  Rudolph, too, needs to learn to switch it off.   I can 100% say "man made a mistake, he's learned, Move On."

 

But at this point....Garrett has been re-instated.  He must know that corroborating evidence is lacking and it can't be proven.  He must realize that whatever Rudolph said, it will not be seen by most as justification for clocking the man in the bare head with a helmet.

 

What's the point?

[Augie]

2 hours ago, CoudyBills said:

Yeah, I can't get on board with this 100%.  This dovetails into the bullying discussion.  Maybe the stats weren't kept until the last few decades, but I don't recall the child suicide rate related to bullying ever being as high as it is.  This whole teaching kids to just endure it and "be the bigger person" doesn't work. 

Someone needs to talk to somebody.

 

Well, I started with “grown ups” and you went to the child suicide rate. Everyone in the NFL is a grown up, and trying to physically bully everyone else. You don’t just endure it, you make a lesson of it.

 

Believe me, I am fully against bullying, but that doesn’t apply in the NFL.  Reacting to what a guy says in the NFL (whether it happened or not) is the wrong way to go. It hurts your team, your personal reputation, and in this case smacks of excuse-making. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, Augie said:

 

Well, I started with “grown ups” and you went to the child suicide rate. Everyone in the NFL is a grown up, and trying to physically bully everyone else. You don’t just endure it, you make a lesson of it.

 

Believe me, I am fully against bullying, but that doesn’t apply in the NFL.  Reacting to what a guy says in the NFL (whether it happened or not) is the wrong way to go. It hurts your team, your personal reputation, and in this case smacks of excuse-making. 

 

The way to react is to keep your mouth shut and just totally pwn the guy's ass next time you play and every time after that.  "Whose my B word now, baby?"

[whatdrought]

8 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

The flip side. He says it right after they hit the ground in a loud stadium. How many people would hear it? 
 

theres essentially no way to document or prove or... you just let the incident go at that point. Anyone going super hard in the paint either direction is speaking more about Their own views than this incident. I get having some opinions about what’s most likely but not getting worked up 

Right, but the burden of proof is on Garret, who claims it was said. And unless he can prove that it was said, he is 100% open to legal action. 

 

If he hadn’t come out and doubled down on it, it likely doesn’t matter one bit at this point. But here we are. ?

[BigBillsFan]

Garrett made it racial by using race. How stupid is he?

7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

But at this point....Garrett has been re-instated.  He must know that corroborating evidence is lacking and it can't be proven.  He must realize that whatever Rudolph said, it will not be seen by most as justification for clocking the man in the bare head with a helmet.

 

What's the point?

 

He's just trying to sway public attention so he doesn't look like an attempted murderer. He's trying to say it was justifiable homicide.

 

Sorry Garrett's ploy is so incredibly stupid it's amazing anyone is paying attention. A guy who's played football with people of different races turns on the race card during a sack? It's a joke.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 minutes ago, BigBillsFan said:

Garrett made it racial by using race. How stupid is he?

 

He's just trying to sway public attention so he doesn't look like an attempted murderer. He's trying to say it was justifiable homicide.

 

Sorry Garrett's ploy is so incredibly stupid it's amazing anyone is paying attention. A guy who's played football with people of different races turns on the race card during a sack? It's a joke.

 

That's my point in the post to which you're responding: Garrett (or people advising him, his PR guys and agent) has to know that use of a slur is NOT regarded as justification for assault with a weapon.  Even if he's 100% telling the truth, people make jokes about "Rudolph the Redneck Reindeer" and Rudolph behind his linemen wearing a sheet, they don't say "Oh, well, then, that totes justifies Garrett smashing him in the head with his own helmet".

 

As one of the articles linked above points out:

"Even if Garrett subjectively believes he heard it, at some point he needs to consider the broader evidence** and ask himself whether he simply believes he heard something that wasn’t said."

 

**the fact that the NFL has microphones blanketing the field which evidently did not pick it up, that players and refs standing nearby say they didn't hear it, that Rudolph denies it, and that apparently Garrett did not tell anyone at the time.