Geo in Pa Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 How is Howie Long in the HOF, he averaged less than 6.5 sacks per year for his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 Good question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 Must be his excellent panel contributions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 That dude does not belong in the HOF, but as posters have stated before, it's now the HOD (the Hall of Decent) and no longer reserved for the very best. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyal2dagame Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 38 minutes ago, Geo in Pa said: How is Howie Long in the HOF, he averaged less than 6.5 sacks per year for his career. High profile player in the "NFL MECCA OF LOS ANGLES". That's how. He had a solid career, but not HOF worthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 I’m not saying he should or should not be in the HOF, but he was a DT, so sacks are not the be all, end all for their evaluations. I’m sure if I want to do the homework, which I won’t, other DT’s in the HOF probably had similar sack stats, but it is the other aspects of their play that matters. Anyway, I am truly not advocating, nor not advocating he should be in the Hall. You guys might be right in terms of his media play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 Nobody really knows. He was a very good player but definitely not a HOF worthy one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Coffin Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 Deion Sanders is right about the NFL HOF. They let too many people in. It doesn't feel exclusive. You got guys like Jerry Rice venerated in the same location of guys like Art Monk and Lynn Swann. It's kind of a joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 Oy....here we go again.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 He's on TV all the time, and popular. He was not a HoF performer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 10 minutes ago, 32ABBA said: He's on TV all the time, and popular. He was not a HoF performer. He made the HOF 20 years ago, bro... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: He made the HOF 20 years ago, bro... I know, bro. He was has had a big media presence both during and immediately after his career, and I believe that influenced his induction, bro. I thought that was obvious, bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 And this just occurred to you now? these HOF takes are berserk at this point 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 29 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: And this just occurred to you now? these HOF takes are berserk at this point Only on TwoBillsDrive can you have the take that half of the 90s Bills, including Steve Tasker, deserved to be first ballots, but TO shouldn’t have gotten in because he was a bad teammate or something. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 If you actually watched Howie Long you would say he is a Hall of Famer. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 37 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Only on TwoBillsDrive can you have the take that half of the 90s Bills, including Steve Tasker, deserved to be first ballots, but TO shouldn’t have gotten in because he was a bad teammate or something. Tasker is also a well respected media figure for years. That gets you right in I read.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 (edited) No he is not Hall of Famer. Really good And productive player for his time but not HOF worthy at all. Jake Scott and Dick Anderson from the 70s Miami Dolphin teams deserve to be in the HOF before someone like Long Edited February 3, 2020 by BuffaloBills1998 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 2 hours ago, loyal2dagame said: High profile player in the "NFL MECCA OF LOS ANGLES". That's how. He had a solid career, but not HOF worthy. But he lives in the "NFL MECCA" of Charlottesville. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 (edited) 57 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Only on TwoBillsDrive can you have the take that half of the 90s Bills, including Steve Tasker, deserved to be first ballots, but TO shouldn’t have gotten in because he was a bad teammate or something. Only on 2BD can you see a bunch of young guys using stats from another era and definitevly hear them state that HOFer clearly doesn't belong. SMH Edited February 3, 2020 by D. L. Hot-Flamethrower 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Tasker is also a well respected media figure for years. That gets you right in I read.... What a disingenuous answer. Tasker is a local guy, that has done some national games. His national media presence has never been even close to Long's...but you know that. Long is the center seat on the FOX broadcast for ***** sake. Why do you need to resort to such lame comparisons? Blocked. Edited February 3, 2020 by 32ABBA 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 No, Howie shouldn't be in the HOF, but Lyle Alzado should be, if he is not already in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 1 minute ago, 32ABBA said: What a disingenuous answer. Tasker is a local guy, that has done some national games. His national media presence has never been even close to Longs...but you know that. Not at all---I'm still goofing on your contention that Long got into the HOF 20 years ago for his "media presence". Deion Sanders said they should close off the HOF for new inductees because all the best players ever are already in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fiend Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 (edited) On 2/2/2020 at 2:13 PM, Geo in Pa said: How is Howie Long in the HOF, he averaged less than 6.5 sacks per year for his career. Correction: he averaged more than 7 sacks per season. They didn't start counting sacks until 1982: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howie_Long "Long collected 91-1/2 sacks during his career (7-1/2 are not official, as sacks were not an official statistic during his rookie year)" So 91.5 sacks over 13 seasons is about 7.04 per year. Long was also selected to the Pro Bowl 8 times and nominated All Pro 2 times. He dominated the 80's when I watched him. It was a different era back then than now, so his stats won't be as good. Edited February 4, 2020 by The Fiend 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 27 minutes ago, 32ABBA said: What a disingenuous answer. Tasker is a local guy, that has done some national games. His national media presence has never been even close to Long's...but you know that. Long is the center seat on the FOX broadcast for ***** sake. Why do you need to resort to such lame comparisons? Blocked. Long was a 5x All Pro, DPOY, 8x pro Bowler, and a Super Bowl Champion. He also only played 12 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fiend Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Long was a 5x All Pro, DPOY, 8x pro Bowler, and a Super Bowl Champion. He also only played 12 years. Not to quibble with you, but Pro Football Reference says he played 13 seasons and was All Pro 2 years: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LongHo00.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 15 minutes ago, The Fiend said: Not to quibble with you, but Pro Football Reference says he played 13 seasons and was All Pro 2 years: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LongHo00.htm Second team 3x. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 4 hours ago, Geo in Pa said: How is Howie Long in the HOF, he averaged less than 6.5 sacks per year for his career. I'll reiterate the point that was made to me, it's the "Hall of Fame", not the "Hall of Best". In that regard, I'd say yes, he should be in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 (edited) 53 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Long was a 5x All Pro, DPOY, 8x pro Bowler, and a Super Bowl Champion. He also only played 12 years. I'm fine with this kind of argument, but comparing his media presence to Tasker is ridiculous. I watched him play, and he was very good. I think his celebrity helped get him into the Hall of Fame. As far as Pro Bowls and things like that, there are plenty of guys that get nominated for those things based on past seasons, once they establish a high profile. He played in LA, and was a good looking white guy. None of that worked against him. Edited February 3, 2020 by 32ABBA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 1 minute ago, 32ABBA said: I'm fine with this kind of argument, but comparing his media presence to Tasker is ridiculous. I watched him play, and he was very good. I think his celebrity helped get him into the Hall of Fame. As far as Pro Bowls and things like that, there are plenty of guys that get nominated for those things based on past seasons, once they establish a high profile. He played in LA, and was a good looking white guy. That helped. You are absolutely drowning now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 If you say so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Sacks weren't even an official stat when he started. In mid80s he was getting over double digits and making All Pro. At the time he was perceived as a great player. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, 32ABBA said: I'm fine with this kind of argument, but comparing his media presence to Tasker is ridiculous. I watched him play, and he was very good. I think his celebrity helped get him into the Hall of Fame. As far as Pro Bowls and things like that, there are plenty of guys that get nominated for those things based on past seasons, once they establish a high profile. He played in LA, and was a good looking white guy. None of that worked against him. 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: You are absolutely drowning now... Well playing sexy and be being sexy while playing should definitely help your case... In 5 years they better have a bust of Kuechly's @$$ next to his front bust. It sets a very nicceeee precedent for when McCaffrey, Watts and Bosas get in PS- Howie Long met both criterium... Edited February 3, 2020 by Sherlock Holmes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 He was double teamed his whole career otherwise he would've had double digit sacks yearly. BTW he got in before it became the popularity contest it is today. Jerry Jones is in by virtue of lobbying and the ability to write big cheques. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 More importantly, the ladies want to know if he’s ‘sponge worthy’. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, BringBackOrton said: Second team 3x. Not sure what the officially legacy source of "all-pro" is. But from 1993 to 1990 there were 6 seasons some group picked him as a first or second team all-pro. Also, Pro Football Weekly (PFW) named Long as one of the ends on its All-time 3-4 defensive front, along with Lee Roy Selmon, Curley Culp, Lawrence Taylor, Andre Tippett, Randy Gradishar, and Harry Carson. PFW based its "Ultimate 3-4" team on the vote of over 40 former NFL players, coaches, and scouts.[7] Of this list, all but Gradishar are in the Hall. Howie Long has legitimate credentials to be in the HOF, based on being one of the best players at his position throughout a long NFL career. Edited February 3, 2020 by Chaos 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Did he win a Super Bowl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Howie Long belongs in the Hall, no question to me. Terrell Davis, on the other hand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lofton80 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 He was a tremendous player, a dominant force on many playoff teams. This is the first place I have ever seen his HOF honor questioned. He was driven by his upbringing and played angry. Just a tremendous player in a different era. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Dopey said: Howie Long belongs in the Hall, no question to me. Terrell Davis, on the other hand... Terrell Davis had 1140 rushing yards in 8 postseason games, which prorates to over 2280 rushing yards in a 16-game season (and he did it against the best competition). The postseason absolutely should factor into evaluations, and he is the greatest rusher in postseason history. He also won a SB MVP, of course. Edited February 3, 2020 by dave mcbride 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 I saw a lot of Raiders games during that time and I'm good with Howie Long being in the Hall. There are other players I have issues with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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