The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[shoshin]

9 minutes ago, Reality Check said:

I was REFERENCING the REPORTERS behavior after every press conference, but you already new that. You are a polished PR man. Very good.

 

There are two sentences in my response.

 

See the first. 

[Hardhatharry]

3 minutes ago, mead107 said:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm

 

how much higher will our number of deaths be 

over 2017. 

 "Influenza and Pneumonia: 55,672"... That is over 1 year from disease that already had a foothold on the world. 

 

We are at 83k+ just from Coronavirus which started not more then a half a year ago.

Edited May 13, 2020 by Hardhatharry

[shoshin]

9 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

where are you getting that info? TV just said Japan looks like back to normal on Friday, and China just retesting everyone in Wuhan after 6 new cases. Such a huge problem now, we as a people cant even be sure what is what anymore. You see/read one thing, i see/read the exact opposite..  and @Deranged Rhino says I told ya so LOL!!!

 

https://time.com/5826918/hokkaido-coronavirus-lockdown/

 

Korea, China, and Japan have good testing and tracking so they are shutting down regions to contain the recurrences. It's something to watch. We don't have adequate testing and tracing here so outbreaks could grow into something uncontainable again--that's the concern. We need this to be THE reopening, not the first of many cycles of shutdowns and reopenings.   

Edited May 13, 2020 by shoshin

[Hardhatharry]

9 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

where are you getting that info? TV just said Japan looks like back to normal on Friday, and China just retesting everyone in Wuhan after 6 new cases. Such a huge problem now, we as a people cant even be sure what is what anymore. You see/read one thing, i see/read the exact opposite..  and @Deranged Rhino says I told ya so LOL!!!

TV said it so it must be true.

[SectionC3]

49 minutes ago, Reality Check said:

Quick question. How come after these presidential press conferences the reporters tend to take their masks off and completely ignore the social distancing?

 

They're emulating the president. 

[plenzmd1]

Just now, Hardhatharry said:

TV said it so it must be true.

oh wow, great insight! Thank you!

[shoshin]

14 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

where are you getting that info? TV just said Japan looks like back to normal on Friday, and China just retesting everyone in Wuhan after 6 new cases. Such a huge problem now, we as a people cant even be sure what is what anymore. You see/read one thing, i see/read the exact opposite..  and @Deranged Rhino says I told ya so LOL!!!

 

This was the China story. It's in many places...AJ was just the link I grabbed. 

 

Nowhere is "back to normal" and I doubt anyone thinks that to be the case. 

Edited May 13, 2020 by shoshin

[plenzmd1]

2 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

This was the China story. It's in many places...AJ was just the link I grabbed. 

 

NOWHERE is "back to normal." 

should have said , the phrase i hate.."new normal"

[Reality Check]

4 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

 

They're emulating the president. 

This whole thing is a charade as globalism dies. The media know it, the administration knows it, but you won't until probably next year.

[LB3]

15 minutes ago, Hardhatharry said:

 "Influenza and Pneumonia: 55,672"... That is over 1 year from disease that already had a foothold on the world. 

 

We are at 83k+ just from Coronavirus which started not more then a half a year ago.

Just from the Chinese Flu? No comorbidities? Weird. Please provide a link. 

[mead107]

24 minutes ago, Hardhatharry said:

 "Influenza and Pneumonia: 55,672"... That is over 1 year from disease that already had a foothold on the world. 

 

We are at 83k+ just from Coronavirus which started not more then a half a year ago.

 No one has said what the death rate is of other deaths this year? 
Are all deaths c-19? 

[Nanker]

10 minutes ago, mead107 said:

 No one has said what the death rate is of other deaths this year? 
Are all deaths c-19? 

Yes. No one is allowed to die in America unless it’s from the Wuhan virus. #STRONGGOVERNORSPROTECTINGTHEPEOPLEFROMTHEMSELVES

[billsfan1959]

3 minutes ago, Nanker said:

Yes. No one is allowed to die in America unless it’s from the Wuhan virus. #STRONGGOVERNORSPROTECTINGTHEPEOPLEFROMTHEMSELVES

 

Are the small businesses and all the jobs killed off by the economic shutdown considered covid deaths as well?

 

Asking for a friend...

[Tommy Callahan]

This CDC page shows the Corona deaths, Deaths that also had corona, and the other causes.

 

its interesting to notice the difference between Covid deaths (50K) and Deaths where the person also had Covid. (over 100K)

 

 

This is looking like a record low year for flu deaths with 6K so far.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

Edited May 13, 2020 by Chris farley

[SoCal Deek]

15 minutes ago, mead107 said:

 No one has said what the death rate is of other deaths this year? 
Are all deaths c-19? 

There hasn’t been an uptick in deaths in America. What we’ve witnessed is old people dying of Covid 19 instead of what they’d otherwise have died from. (And even that number would be WAY down if NYS hadn’t made the unexplainable unforced error of placing Covid patients in nursing homes.)

[plenzmd1]

16 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

There hasn’t been an uptick in deaths in America. What we’ve witnessed is old people dying of Covid 19 instead of what they’d otherwise have died from. (And even that number would be WAY down if NYS hadn’t made the unexplainable unforced error of placing Covid patients in nursing homes.)

please show evidence of that stat

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, plenzmd1 said:

please show evidence of that stat

Which stat? Just go to the CDC website like everyone else has been doing for weeks. I’ll wait. 

[LeGOATski]

2 hours ago, shoshin said:

It looks like the TB vaccine studies are starting. We discussed this somewhere in the depths of this thread and hopefully the testing shows something promising. The correlative data points (countries that still give TB vaccines show lower spread and mortality) right now could be due to a lot of factors so actual tests will be important to see if the vaccine itself helps or not. 

Finally...the effects of Tom Brady have been plaguing this world for far too long.

[plenzmd1]

4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Which stat? Just go to the CDC website like everyone else has been doing for weeks. I’ll wait. 

your stat, show the link that points to the evidence that deaths have been even this year. Or, did ya just happen to pull it out yer rear?

[Q-baby!]

32 minutes ago, Nanker said:

Yes. No one is allowed to die in America unless it’s from the Wuhan virus. #STRONGGOVERNORSPROTECTINGTHEPEOPLEFROMTHEMSELVES

It’s just the flu. 

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

your stat, show the link that points to the evidence that deaths have been even this year. Or, did ya just happen to pull it out yer rear?

Dude relax. In a typical year its a fact that we lose roughly 8,000 Americans per day in the early spring months of March, April and May. The VAST MAJORITY of those deaths are old people (something like 85% of them). That works out to 750,000 deaths over the period of the current pandemic....and that’s WITHOUT a pandemic. What stat do you need to see?

[SectionC3]

15 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

please show evidence of that stat

 

Seriously.  My understanding is that there is a 30% uptick in deaths this spring over last. 

[Warren Zevon]

40 minutes ago, Nanker said:

Yes. No one is allowed to die in America unless it’s from the Wuhan virus. #STRONGGOVERNORSPROTECTINGTHEPEOPLEFROMTHEMSELVES

 

Last time you were this outraged was when you said ONLY 11 PEOPLE DIED FROM COVID YESTERDAY!!!!!!!11!!!!!!1!!!!!!!!!!!EVLVENTYONE!!!!!!11!!!!!

Just now, SectionC3 said:

 

Seriously.  My understanding is that there is a 30% uptick in deaths this spring over last. 

 

There is an uptick. Deek is a moron.

[plenzmd1]

6 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Dude relax. In a typical year its a fact that we lose roughly 8,000 Americans per day in the early spring months of March, April and May. The VAST MAJORITY of those deaths are old people (something like 85% of them). That works out to 750,000 deaths over the period of the current pandemic....and that’s WITHOUT a pandemic. What stat do you need to see?

something that confirms those numbers..its what we do here at PPP i am told...

 

I say it's  a fact..deaths are up by 400K during the pandameric period..fact! 

 

See how that works?

 

 

[Azalin]

6 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Dude relax. In a typical year its a fact that we lose roughly 8,000 Americans per day in the early spring months of March, April and May. The VAST MAJORITY of those deaths are old people (something like 85% of them). That works out to 750,000 deaths over the period of the current pandemic....and that’s WITHOUT a pandemic. What stat do you need to see?

 

I believe he's reacting to your implication that had the COVID-19 virus not killed them that something else would have:

 

"There hasn’t been an uptick in deaths in America. What we’ve witnessed is old people dying of Covid 19 instead of what they’d otherwise have died from."

[SectionC3]

17 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Dude relax. In a typical year its a fact that we lose roughly 8,000 Americans per day in the early spring months of March, April and May. The VAST MAJORITY of those deaths are old people (something like 85% of them). That works out to 750,000 deaths over the period of the current pandemic....and that’s WITHOUT a pandemic. What stat do you need to see?

 

Still no statistic.  I'm leaning toward the "rear" explanation for your point. 

[Chef Jim]

17 minutes ago, Warren Zevon said:

There is an uptick. 

Uptick?  Is that considered a mathematical term or a scientific term?

[plenzmd1]

11 minutes ago, Azalin said:

 

I believe he's reacting to your implication that had the COVID-19 virus not killed them that something else would have:

 

"There hasn’t been an uptick in deaths in America. What we’ve witnessed is old people dying of Covid 19 instead of what they’d otherwise have died from."

and, his stat may be correct, and it would be an quite a compelling stat , but it has to be correct. 

 

My "thought", and only a thought, is deaths are UP during this time, not only due to the virus, but also standard medical care being put off. Having said that, if you do factor in average stay in nursing home is 5 1/2 months, the folks that died in nursing homes statistically would have died of something else in the next 6 months or so..but that is only nursing home deaths.

[SectionC3]

Just now, plenzmd1 said:

and, his stat may be correct, and it would be an quite a compelling stat , but it has to be correct. 

 

My "thought", and only a thought, is deaths are UP during this time, not only due to the virus, but also standard medical care being put off. Having said that, if you do factor in average stay in nursing home is 5 1/2 months, the folks that died in nursing homes statistically would have died of something else in the next 6 months or so..but that is only nursing home deaths.

 

Right as rain. 

[Warren Zevon]

1 minute ago, Chef Jim said:

Uptick?  Is that considered a mathematical term or a scientific term?

 

Ask Deek - it's his term

[Nanker]

24 minutes ago, Warren Zevon said:

 

Last time you were this outraged was when you said ONLY 11 PEOPLE DIED FROM COVID YESTERDAY!!!!!!!11!!!!!!1!!!!!!!!!!!EVLVENTYONE!!!!!!11!!!!!

 

There is an uptick. Deek is a moron.

He plead guilty. 

[Warren Zevon]

2 minutes ago, Nanker said:

He plead guilty. 

 

Big mistake!

[ALF]

Year    Month    Number of Deaths
2019    March    253,000
2019    February 232,000
2019    January    257,000

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/provisional-tables.htm

 

Note: Provisional death counts are based on death certificate data received and coded by the National Center for Health Statistics as of May 12, 2020.

Daily updates of totals by week and state

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/

[Cinga]

1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said:

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

There hasn’t been an uptick in deaths in America. What we’ve witnessed is old people dying of Covid 19 instead of what they’d otherwise have died from. (And even that number would be WAY down if NYS hadn’t made the unexplainable unforced error of placing Covid patients in nursing homes.)

please show evidence of that stat

 

It's on the CDC website everyone is using. Here is their chart, I swapped around the totals to the bottom, and highlight it to make it easier for you to understand:

 

 

The only "uptick" in Covid deaths was for a 4 week period 3/28 to 4/18. However the average deaths over the last 2 months is only 97% of what was expected. 

 

So simply put, the argument can be made that even with Covid19 we are still below a "normal" death rate.

[Tiberius]

 

Quote

 

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8312771/Male-coronavirus-patients-low-testosterone-levels-likely-die-COVID-19.html

 

If you are a guy who looks to Trump for manly guidance, which they do, this report should worry them. 

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[Chef Jim]

1 hour ago, Warren Zevon said:

 

Ask Deek - it's his term

But you called him a moron for saying there had not been an uptick. You said, and I quote, “there has been an uptick”.  So what is considered an uptick?  .5%? 5%? 50%? 

19 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8312771/Male-coronavirus-patients-low-testosterone-levels-likely-die-COVID-19.html

 

If you are a guy who looks to Trump for manly guidance, which they do, this report should worry them. 

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[shoshin]

37 minutes ago, Cinga said:

 

It's on the CDC website everyone is using. Here is their chart, I swapped around the totals to the bottom, and highlight it to make it easier for you to understand:

 

 

The only "uptick" in Covid deaths was for a 4 week period 3/28 to 4/18. However the average deaths over the last 2 months is only 97% of what was expected. 

 

So simply put, the argument can be made that even with Covid19 we are still below a "normal" death rate.

 

It's stunning that deaths are more or less level in spite of the shutdown (and it's due to Covid I expect).

 

You would expect a shutdown would drive total deaths WAAAAAY down. 

Edited May 13, 2020 by shoshin

[plenzmd1]

5 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

It's stunning that deaths are more or less level in spite of the shutdown (and it's due to Covid I expect).

 

You would expect a shutdown would drive total deaths WAAAAAY down. 

yea, need to understand that chart more, but thank you for posting @Cinga.

 

If you look at week ending 05/09...23% of expected deaths, so that is pretty dramatic...

Edited May 13, 2020 by plenzmd1

[Magox]

52 minutes ago, Cinga said:

 

It's on the CDC website everyone is using. Here is their chart, I swapped around the totals to the bottom, and highlight it to make it easier for you to understand:

 

 

The only "uptick" in Covid deaths was for a 4 week period 3/28 to 4/18. However the average deaths over the last 2 months is only 97% of what was expected. 

 

So simply put, the argument can be made that even with Covid19 we are still below a "normal" death rate.

 

 

And that doesn't even take into account the shut down related deaths.  Suicides, heart and cancer patients not getting care, etc.

 

 

And I saw this in regards to nursing homes strategy.  If they can continue to do this, it will help tremendously.

 

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Vice President Mike Pence made a nationwide call for coronavirus testing in America's 15,000 nursing homes, telling governors that he wants to see every state prioritize COVID-19 screening inside the facilities that have been hit the hardest by the new coronavirus.

"I want to say what we're urging with regard to nursing home testing is ... let's just get everybody in the homes everybody on the staff, let's get them tested," Pence said Monday.

Pence said the intense focus on nursing homes may stand as the nation's best chance to reduce the death toll from the outbreak, which has been highest in the long-term care centers that house some of the most vulnerable Americans.

Dr. Deborah Birx, one of the senior health officials helping guide the nation's response to the pandemic, said she believes "all one million nursing home residents," as well as staff, need to be tested within the next two weeks.

 

 

[meazza]

Yes, this is a good strategy.

 

Speaking of nursing homes, any news @KRC?