The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[Buffalo_Gal]

2 hours ago, Reality Check said:

Still not convinced. Too anecdotal.

He doesn't like the NIH article because it doesn't fit his bias.

N95 masks = work
Cloth masks = placebo

I'm going to get out one of my Mardi Gras masks to wear to the store. I may turn heads with the feathers and sequins, but hey, it's a mask.
 

[Reality Check]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

He doesn't like the NIH article because it doesn't fit his bias.

N95 masks = work
Cloth masks = placebo

I'm going to get out one of my Mardi Gras masks to wear to the store. I may turn heads with the feathers and sequins, but hey, it's a mask.
 

That's awesome. I am tempted to get an Arab style executioners hood to wear out in public myself.

[Buffalo_Gal]

6 minutes ago, Reality Check said:

That's awesome. I am tempted to get an Arab style executioners hood to wear out in public myself.

There was a guy who wore a KKK hood at an Albertsons (I "think" in California, the video is somewhere on  this forum). He's wearing a required mask, and the store personal asked him to take it off!! (People were triggered.) He took it off, checked out sans mask, and left.

I hope he was simply trying to prove a point, but my goodness, if everyone put on a KKK hood, executioner mask or Trump 2020 mask, this mask requirement would be over but fast.

 

 

Edited May 12, 2020 by Buffalo_Gal

[Westside]

5 minutes ago, Reality Check said:

That's awesome. I am tempted to get an Arab style executioners hood to wear out in public myself.

Or one of those old plague masks that look creepy as hell from early last century. 

[Reality Check]

3 minutes ago, westside2 said:

Or one of those old plague masks that look creepy as hell from early last century. 

Wonderful! This whole thing deserves mockery. I love it.

[meazza]

Fauci to warn of needless suffering and death.  Is this with regards to the murder hornets ?

[4merper4mer]

30 minutes ago, GG said:

 

This response demonstrates the futility of advocating good behavior.   On one side you have people who think that masks should be worn everywhere, on the other are those who will never put on a mask.

 

The reality is in between.

But proximity.  The song "The Age of Aquarius" tells us what we need to know.  And it's peer reviewed by hippies everywhere.  And I'm pretty sure the moon is in the seventh house this week so wear your masking even if you're wandering about a desolate land like the Sahara or Canada.

[Buffalo_Gal]

Hey, she got to the bottom of the Flynn debacle, imagine what she can do with Fauci, WHO, etc.
 

 

[4merper4mer]

3 minutes ago, meazza said:

Fauci to warn of needless suffering and death.  Is this with regards to the murder hornets ?

I think there is a David Spade movie coming out on Netflix which I'm sure is the needless suffering he'll warn us about.  The death might be the hornets.  Getcha popcorn.

[Q-baby!]

24 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

There was a guy who wore a KKK hood at an Albertsons (I "think" in California, the video is somewhere on  this forum). He's wearing a required mask, and the store personal asked him to take it off!! (People were triggered.) He took it off, checked out sans mask, and left.

I hope he was simply trying to prove a point, but my goodness, if everyone put on a KKK hood, executioner mask or Trump 2020 mask, this mask requirement would be over but fast.

 

 

Cool story! 

[Boatdrinks]

11 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Hey, she got to the bottom of the Flynn debacle, imagine what she can do with Fauci, WHO, etc.
 

 

So true. Doctors and scientists are not economists. They see the world only through the bubble of health , and are pretty accustomed to having money. That’s why a Fauci can look at reopening the economy as “ needless”. What a joke. 

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

Being selfish isn’t a crime in a free society. In fact it’s one of the core principles.

 

 “ Live for yourself - there’s no one else more worth living for..begging hands and bleeding hearts will only cry out for more “ 

        Neil Peart 

[B-Man]

 

 

YES, GOVERNMENT MADE THE CORONAVIRUS CRISIS WORSE: 

 

Christopher Jacobs of The Federalist counts the many ways.

 

 

 

 

 

[Magox]

More data that just confirms what we already knew.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just to summarize, 91.5% of all the deaths are people over the age of 65.  

 

83% of them are over the age of 75.  

 

That 61% of the deaths are over the age of 85.

 

This doesn't even take into account that out of these deaths that 88% of them have 2 or more comorbidites. 

 

 

And look which states have done well and not so well in protecting seniors, relative to their peers.

 

 

 

 

 

[IDBillzFan]

12 hours ago, Justice said:

Well that’s not what I heard. If your numbers are correct I take back my statement. 

 

Daily counts are here. You can sort by deaths/1M population.

 

 

 

[LB3]

13 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

My oldest is four. We watch the news, and she knows who trump and pence and Fauci are.  The question she asks the most is why trump refuses to wear a mask and stands so close to others.  From the mouths of babes ....

He and pence will war their non-infected statuses as badges. 

That's funny. My totally real, definitely not made up for an anecdotal story three year old daughter asked me a question after dinner last night. She said to me, "Daddy, I've finished poring over the available data. Even with the inclusion of comorbidities inflating the number of deaths by the Chinese Flu, it seems as though we're still pretty close to the average yearly death rate.

 

Millions of people have had irreparable harm done to their lives. All the data suggests that the fear mongering and mask shaming is illogical. I weep for the number of people who will be lost from death by despair, or as I like to think of it, death by lockdown. Since if you die during lockdown, you die because of lockdown. Will Americans live in fear forever? Are all adults complete kitties like your internet acquaintance, SectionC3?"

 

To which I smiled, patted her on the head and said , "Shut up, honey. I'm trying to watch The Last Dance. Tell your totally not made up mother to bring me another Sapphire gimlet."

 

From the mouths of babes indeed...

[Uncle Joe]

2 hours ago, Magox said:

Today's hearing is highly anticipated, especially by the media and Trump's detractors.   In prepared remarks, apparently there is a snippet of a quote that is being taken out of context.  They are harping on his quote "needless suffering and death", if states open up too quickly.  Of course, what the media is focusing on is "needless suffering and death".  

<snip>

 

 

I will be watching Fauci closely today, my hopes are that he provides full context with his answers.  My guess is that he'll somehow provide more snippets in today's hearing that will be used against the administration that are taken out of it's context.

 

 

 

Well Schumer has said he wants Fauci to "let er rip".
I'm glad I don't have smellavision.

Edited May 12, 2020 by Uncle Joe

[plenzmd1]

Fauci gunna sink the markets..if i heard him correct, just saidno college in the fall..but i may have heard incorrectly

Edited May 12, 2020 by plenzmd1

[SectionC3]

9 minutes ago, LB3 said:

That's funny. My totally real, definitely not made up for an anecdotal story three year old daughter asked me a question after dinner last night. She said to me, "Daddy, I've finished poring over the available data. Even with the inclusion of comorbidities inflating the number of deaths by the Chinese Flu, it seems as though we're still pretty close to the average yearly death rate.

 

Millions of people have had irreparable harm done to their lives. All the data suggests that the fear mongering and mask shaming is illogical. I weep for the number of people who will be lost from death by despair, or as I like to think of it, death by lockdown. Since if you die during lockdown, you die because of lockdown. Will Americans live in fear forever? Are all adults complete kitties like your internet acquaintance, SectionC3?"

 

To which I smiled, patted her on the head and said , "Shut up, honey. I'm trying to watch The Last Dance. Tell your totally not made up mother to bring me another Sapphire gimlet."

 

From the mouths of babes indeed...

 

I would like to see “[a]ll the data” if you’re not too busy. 

[Magox]

It's obvious that Senator Murray has no interest in advancing the discussion but taking pot shots at the administration.   

[SectionC3]

1 hour ago, Chef Jim said:

So we need a wall?  ?

They do not suggest it while in parks and trails however.  But you refuse to acknowledge that. 

 

Nah they just say anytime you’re in close proximity to others.  General guidance, applicable irrespective of location.  But by Chef Jim logic it’s impossible to be in close proximity to anyone in a park or on a trial.  Makes.  Perfect.  Sense. 

9 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

Fauci gunna sink the markets..if i heard him correct, just saidno college in the fall..but i may have heard incorrectly

 Just imagine the effect on markets if Fauci’s concerns about the spread of virus upon premature reopening are realized.  

1 hour ago, GG said:

 

This response demonstrates the futility of advocating good behavior.   On one side you have people who think that masks should be worn everywhere, on the other are those who will never put on a mask.

 

The reality is in between.

Or we could actually read the CDC website.  Either one.  The debate isn’t about location, it’s about proximity to others.  When in proximity, the CDC suggests that masks be worn, irrespective of location.  There is no such thing as “trail” or “park” immunity.  

[meazza]

10 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

Fauci gunna sink the markets..if i heard him correct, just saidno college in the fall..but i may have heard incorrectly

Fauci said in February that this was nothing to worry about.  
 

 

[SectionC3]

14 minutes ago, LB3 said:

That's funny. My totally real, definitely not made up for an anecdotal story three year old daughter asked me a question after dinner last night. She said to me, "Daddy, I've finished poring over the available data. Even with the inclusion of comorbidities inflating the number of deaths by the Chinese Flu, it seems as though we're still pretty close to the average yearly death rate.

 

Millions of people have had irreparable harm done to their lives. All the data suggests that the fear mongering and mask shaming is illogical. I weep for the number of people who will be lost from death by despair, or as I like to think of it, death by lockdown. Since if you die during lockdown, you die because of lockdown. Will Americans live in fear forever? Are all adults complete kitties like your internet acquaintance, SectionC3?"

 

To which I smiled, patted her on the head and said , "Shut up, honey. I'm trying to watch The Last Dance. Tell your totally not made up mother to bring me another Sapphire gimlet."

 

From the mouths of babes indeed...

 

When you raise your kids in a house that prioritizes education and reason, they grow up advanced.  Go figure. 

[GG]

4 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

 

Or we could actually read the CDC website.  Either one.  The debate isn’t about location, it’s about proximity to others.  When in proximity, the CDC suggests that masks be worn, irrespective of location.  There is no such thing as “trail” or “park” immunity.  

 

Proximity ignores time.  You can be within 10 inches of a jogger who passes by you outside, and have an almost 0% chance of contracting the virus.  That's a far lower rate than wearing a mask.

[Magox]

So far - 2 Republicans have gone on to ask substantive questions.

 

So far - 2 Democrats are looking to take potshots and make politicized statements.

 

 

 

[Cinga]

F***ing Bernie is such a hack!

[SectionC3]

4 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Proximity ignores time.  You can be within 10 inches of a jogger who passes by you outside, and have an almost 0% chance of contracting the virus.  That's a far lower rate than wearing a mask.

 

What about with respect to a walker?  Or a person who stops on the trail?  Or wind spray?  By your logic, if I walk briskly through a grocery store, then I am exempt from the mask guidance.  The simple point remains that the guidance reflects that if one is to be in close proximity to another person, then one should wear a mask.  

[LB3]

14 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

 

I would like to see “[a]ll the data” if you’re not too busy. 

Don't ask me. I don't monitor my totally real daughter's internet history.

[Magox]

Bernie is asking questions if Vaccine's should be free and he is asking guys that aren't in charge of that.  That is a decision for CMS.

 

Bernie is such a hack and he knows this.

[SectionC3]

2 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

Which I do but for some reason I’m being selfish if I choose to me able to breath when I’m on a strenuous hike ar least six feet away from everyone I encounter. This is not a retort to you this is in response to @SectionC3 doing what you rightly called social shaming. Chapter one out of the SJW playbook. 

Ant that’s where I, and most fit. In between. I guess he doesn’t understand that. 

 

I didn’t realize that you’re so concerned about social shaming.  Very “snow-flakey” of you.  I apologize for hurting your feelings. 

1 minute ago, LB3 said:

Don't ask me. I don't monitor my totally real daughter's internet history.

Sounds like you just made the hoax list, sir. 

[plenzmd1]

7 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

 

Nah they just say anytime you’re in close proximity to others.  General guidance, applicable irrespective of location.  But by Chef Jim logic it’s impossible to be in close proximity to anyone in a park or on a trial.  Makes.  Perfect.  Sense. 

 Just imagine the effect on markets if Fauci’s concerns about the spread of virus upon premature reopening are realized.  

Or we could actually read the CDC website.  Either one.  The debate isn’t about location, it’s about proximity to others.  When in proximity, the CDC suggests that masks be worn, irrespective of location.  There is no such thing as “trail” or “park” immunity.  

Here is where we need the debate...it is not binary...yes, infection and rates of morbidity may go up due to covid What is our best guess at that using actual numbers today, not outdated models.

 

Now, what is out best guess at what happens if we continue on lockdowns..IOW, what are the ramifications of the being in lockdown..job loss which leads to poverty levels spiking, impact on healhcare, starvation levels, despair deaths etc. 

 

That is the discussion that is not happening..unless you believe you can be in lockdown like this and have no dowmstream consequences, both in the US and worldwide.

 

Its like saying 30K people in the country die in car accidents each year, lets ban all cars...without taking the consequences that would have on the decsion making

[Uncle Joe]

Who's beating the dog?

[Reality Check]

1 hour ago, Boatdrinks said:

So true. Doctors and scientists are not economists. They see the world only through the bubble of health , and are pretty accustomed to having money. That’s why a Fauci can look at reopening the economy as “ needless”. What a joke. 

 

 “ Live for yourself - there’s no one else more worth living for..begging hands and bleeding hearts will only cry out for more “ 

        Neil Peart 

 

[SectionC3]

5 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

Here is where we need the debate...it is not binary...yes, infection and rates of morbidity may go up due to covid What is our best guess at that using actual numbers today, not outdated models.

 

Now, what is out best guess at what happens if we continue on lockdowns..IOW, what are the ramifications of the being in lockdown..job loss which leads to poverty levels spiking, impact on healhcare, starvation levels, despair deaths etc. 

 

That is the discussion that is not happening..unless you believe you can be in lockdown like this and have no dowmstream consequences, both in the US and worldwide.

 

Its like saying 30K people in the country die in car accidents each year, lets ban all cars...without taking the consequences that would have on the decsion making

 

For what it’s worth I agree with you.  We have to have a reasoned cost/benefit conversation, and we have to have it now.  Eschewing the guidelines in exchange for a short-term fix doesn’t seem like a great idea to me in view of the significant long-term dangers that would accompany a premature reopening.  Normally I would trust the experts to properly assess the health component of the issues, but with this administration I wonder whether any competent advice that such experts might give would be ignored by the person with “absolute authority” on the issue.  

 

***

 

And I’ll add: reopening will go much more smoothly if we all work together and follow a few simple rules about, among other things, wearing masks and protecting others from community spread.  What the knuckleheads convinced that individual liberty demands that they don’t wear a mask don’t get is that their misguided stand has the potential to really screw things up for a lot of people for a long time if cases spike upon reopening.  We should reopen as soon as possible, and we should reopen as safely as possible.  And that involves a little bit of courtesy and sacrifice on everyone’s part. 

Edited May 12, 2020 by SectionC3

[plenzmd1]

2 minutes ago, Reality Check said:

 

My first concert ever, Niagara Falls Convention Center..fall of 77!

[SectionC3]

5 minutes ago, Magox said:

Bernie is asking questions if Vaccine's should be free and he is asking guys that aren't in charge of that.  That is a decision for CMS.

 

Bernie is such a hack and he knows this.

 

What are “Vaccine’s?”

[plenzmd1]

1 minute ago, SectionC3 said:

 

For what it’s worth I agree with you.  We have to have a reasoned cost/benefit conversation, and we have to have it now.  Eschewing the guidelines in exchange for a short-term fix doesn’t seem like a great idea to me in view of the significant long-term dangers that would accompany a premature reopening.  Normally I would trust the experts to properly assess the health component of the issues, but with this administration I wonder whether any competent advice that such experts might give would be ignored by the person with “absolute authority” on the issue.  

And on the flip side, those in opostion to him dismissing any numbers that dont agree with their views, or numbers that could help his re-election chances.

[Magox]

6 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

Here is where we need the debate...it is not binary...yes, infection and rates of morbidity may go up due to covid What is our best guess at that using actual numbers today, not outdated models.

 

Now, what is out best guess at what happens if we continue on lockdowns..IOW, what are the ramifications of the being in lockdown..job loss which leads to poverty levels spiking, impact on healhcare, starvation levels, despair deaths etc. 

 

That is the discussion that is not happening..unless you believe you can be in lockdown like this and have no dowmstream consequences, both in the US and worldwide.

 

Its like saying 30K people in the country die in car accidents each year, lets ban all cars...without taking the consequences that would have on the decsion making

 

 

I have been largely living by this creed over the past 15 years or so.

 

"Reason is not automatic. Those who deny it cannot be conquered by it.  Don't count on them.  Leave them alone."

 

 

[Azalin]

1 minute ago, SectionC3 said:

 

What are “Vaccine’s?”

 

If you're going to go on a misplaced apostrophe patrol, you've got a hell of a lot of work ahead of you.

 

And when you're finished, feel free to scrub the board of all incorrect then/than substitutions. 

[plenzmd1]

2 minutes ago, Azalin said:

 

If you're going to go on a misplaced apostrophe patrol, you've got a hell of a lot of work ahead of you.

 

And when you're finished, feel free to scrub the board of all incorrect then/than substitutions. 

would take all day just to clean up my posts!

[SectionC3]

1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said:

And on the flip side, those in opostion to him dismissing any numbers that dont agree with their views, or numbers that could help his re-election chances.

 

The ironic thing is that the guess here is that reopening early is going to doom his reelection chances.  It’s going to take some time to figure out how economic patterns have changed (e.g., who is willing to patronize a restaurant, or a movie theater, or a performance arts venue) and I don’t think we’ll see as rapid a recovery as some others might think.  An earlier reopening allows more opportunity to show economic stagnation for which he will (and, in no small part, should) be held accountable. 

3 minutes ago, Azalin said:

 

If you're going to go on a misplaced apostrophe patrol, you've got a hell of a lot of work ahead of you.

 

And when you're finished, feel free to scrub the board of all incorrect then/than substitutions. 

 

I think it’s more of an errant apostrophe.  From the guy characterizing someone else as unintelligent.