Divisional Round: Titans at Ravens

[Doc Brown]

4 hours ago, Charles Romes said:

That should be it for the “should’ve drafted Lamar” crowd.  

Put it this way.  At this point I'd rather have Lamar, but Allen is a very good consolation prize.  Better than Darnold or Rosen.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...the anointing drool for the rook Jackson being the "greatest invention since beer" appears to be a bit premature (yes the kid does have talent)......similar to the "RG II 1/8" hype...or...better yet, the prolific (COUGH) Jaws saying, "Kaep has the potential to be one of the top 10 greatest QB's"........the Henry kid is remarkable and the EXACT component our backfield is missing...."Thunder 'n Lightning" with Singeltary?....uh oh.....

Edited January 12, 2020 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[RobbRiddick]

Check this out, so funny when fans cross the line into pure over-confidence:

 

https://forum.russellstreetreport.com/showthread.php?188689-The-OFFICIAL-Titans-Ravens-Divisional-Round-Prediction-Thread

 

This prediction made me laugh:

 

"46-13, RG3 closes it out. We’re a better team in all areas. Henry is good, we have the #1 rushing offense."

 

Have to say, of all the opposing teams' forums I've checked out this season, the one with the most level headed fans is the Texans one. They're a bit like Bills fans, even when things are going well they still expect the worst to happen.

[RobbRiddick]

 

 

A few more fun predictions from Ravens fans:

 

"I’m going with our defense shutting down the not ready for prime time Titans...

Ravens 38
Titans 3"

 

"NOT CLOSE - Ravens by +17"

 

"no shot in hell Titans come to Baltimore and leave with the upset."

 

"With Ryan Tannehill playing it will make the Ravens think they are playing the Dolphins and the last three times the Ravens played the Dolphins, they have all been blowouts, so naturally the Ravens are going to beat the breaks off the Dolphins (Titans) to the tune of 49-3."

 

"This will be a blowout from start to finish, Titans are not prepared for Hurricane Lamar that is about to rock them at M&T!! May even see RG III late in the 4th

Ravens 35
Titans 10"

 

(Hurricane Lamar turned out to be a gust of wind about as powerful as one of my wet farts)

 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

6 hours ago, TuelTime said:

 

Lol, I love how the fan base keeping using this statistic.. He wouldn't be behind in the fourth quarter if he didn't suck in the other 3!! Okay, now we want to add RUSHING TDs to the QB metric??? Come on guys.. try to be objective here.

 

Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[Teddy KGB]

6 hours ago, london_bills said:

Remember that the Bills defence has protected Allen alot by keeping scores low.

 

The Ravens have scored way more points in games than the Bills. The Ravens have destroyed some teams offensively. We haven't done that. 

Regular season hero ???

 

Postseason bust.    0-2 and counting.   You think he will catch Andy Dalton ? 

[GunnerBill]

Terrific game plan by Dean Pees. Before we played Baltimore the two things that I suggested was stop Ingram in the more traditional run game and then take away the middle of the field throws for Jackson - make him throw outside where he is less comfortable and less accurate. The Bills did a respectable job the Titans did an even better job on both. And the biggest difference? Their offense scored and put Baltimore behind. When you play Jackson you are never going to stop him getting yards on you on the ground. But if you are up early on them (all three teams that have beaten them this year - KC, Cleveland and Tennessee have established early leads) and you have taken away his middle of the field throws then his legs hurt you less in terms of preventing a come back. 

 

The Titans had a great plan and they not only managed the game well on offense with Henry but they scored touchdowns on great catches by receivers. 

 

Jackson had a great year. He is a player on the rise. But I never bought the "impossible to defend" line. I always believed that was the book. 

 

1. Take away the traditional run game with Ingram. 

2. Take away his middle of the field throws.

3. Make him play from behind. 

 

Titans had a perfect plan and in big moments they executed. 

[Teddy KGB]

5 hours ago, Bangarang said:

This thread essentially turned into a ton of people trashing Lamar so they can prop up Allen. It’s super weird how insecure people get when another team also has a good young QB.

Why would anyone trash Lamar after watching him ? on himself 2x when the games matter ? 
 

Yikes bang 

[Steptide]

Really enjoying this titans run in the playoffs. I enjoy rooting for the underdog. Tannehill in the afc championship game though, who woulda thought lol 

[BringBackOrton]

7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Terrific game plan by Dean Pees. Before we played Baltimore the two things that I suggested was stop Ingram in the more traditional run game and then take away the middle of the field throws for Jackson - make him throw outside where he is less comfortable and less accurate. The Bills did a respectable job the Titans did an even better job on both. And the biggest difference? Their offense scored and put Baltimore behind. When you play Jackson you are never going to stop him getting yards on you on the ground. But if you are up early on them (all three teams that have beaten them this year - KC, Cleveland and Tennessee have established early leads) and you have taken away his middle of the field throws then his legs hurt you less in terms of preventing a come back. 

 

The Titans had a great plan and they not only managed the game well on offense with Henry but they scored touchdowns on great catches by receivers. 

 

Jackson had a great year. He is a player on the rise. But I never bought the "impossible to defend" line. I always believed that was the book. 

 

1. Take away the traditional run game with Ingram. 

2. Take away his middle of the field throws.

3. Make him play from behind. 

 

Titans had a perfect plan and in big moments they executed. 

Logan Ryan actually credited the Bills for our game plan and how it inspired theirs. Unfortunately, he also said we couldn’t score.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

....kid is on a remarkable roll..................

 

Titans' Derrick Henry rushes for 195 yards in win, now has 377 in playoffs

Turron Davenport  ESPN

 

BALTIMORE -- The Tennessee Titans' hopes of winning games in the playoffs rest squarely on the shoulders of running back Derrick Henry. The 6-foot-3, 247-pound back put together a historic performance to fuel his team to a 28-12 playoff win.

 

To put things in perspective, Henry's 195-yard rushing performance against the Ravens was his third consecutive game (including the playoffs) with 180 or more yards. No other player has done that.

 

"They handed me a sheet that said, 'the only player in NFL history ...' Whatever comes after that is pretty much self-explanatory when it's the only player in NFL history. It's fun to get to coach him," Titans coach Mike Vrabel said.

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28468030/titans-derrick-henry-rushes-195-yards-win-now-377-playoffs

 

 

 

[Bill from NYC]

1 hour ago, row_33 said:

Yup, but I don’t like gimmick football and It cratered magnificently tonight 

 

 

What rose to the top was the power running game. It HAD to happen sooner or later. We all know that the NFL is a passing league and the defenders are smaller. It even applies to the college game. I heard Nick Saban say that many linebackers who were flat out stars on his defense several years ago would probably not be starters today.

 

Jackson didn't lose that game. Derrick Henry and his blockers pounded the Raven into defeat. They were unable to stop him and beaten half to death by trying to. That team collectively is in quite a bit of physical pain right now. I am loving it.

[GunnerBill]

8 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

Logan Ryan actually credited the Bills for our game plan and how it inspired theirs. Unfortunately, he also said we couldn’t score.

 

Yep. We had absolutely the right plan against the Ravens. Our defense had the one blown play for the Hurst TD and our offensive execution was not where Tennessee's was. 

[HOUSE]

I feel sorry for Baltimore fans, it looked like the perfect ride.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 12, 2020 by HOUSE

[RobbRiddick]

1 hour ago, Steptide said:

Really enjoying this titans run in the playoffs. I enjoy rooting for the underdog. Tannehill in the afc championship game though, who woulda thought lol 

also weird that if we win that game last week we'd be playing for the right to host the AFC championship game. Imagine how pumped everyone would be

[H2o]

[Beast]

32 minutes ago, H2o said:

I just read that the Ravens had the ball inside if the Titans 40 on 8 different drives and Jackson accounted for over 500 yards of offense.

 

Something clearly went wrong.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

3 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said:

I just read that the Ravens had the ball inside if the Titans 40 on 8 different drives and Jackson accounted for over 500 yards of offense.

 

Something clearly went wrong.

 

Lamar went wrong

[whatdrought]

4 hours ago, njbuff said:

To put the whole game on Jackson’s shoulders as a failure is just foolhardy.

 

Apply the same standard to Allen (not saying you personally don’t- but most don’t) 

 

I think it’s on the coaches really... they built a system that is 100% dependent on their best player never having a bad day. He had a bad day today and couldn’t overcome it. You saw that in his play, and you saw it in his attitude. 

[H2o]

11 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said:

I just read that the Ravens had the ball inside if the Titans 40 on 8 different drives and Jackson accounted for over 500 yards of offense.

 

Something clearly went wrong.

A lot of those yards, even admittedly by ESPN (shockingly), were garbage time yards when the game was already decided. The Titans pretty much dominated the first 3 quarters of the game, controlled the clock, and forced 3 turnovers by Lamar. 

[Beast]

5 minutes ago, H2o said:

A lot of those yards, even admittedly by ESPN (shockingly), were garbage time yards when the game was already decided. The Titans pretty much dominated the first 3 quarters of the game, controlled the clock, and forced 3 turnovers by Lamar. 

When was garbage time, exactly?

 

I remember Jackson hitting the tight end right in the chest, and it bouncing away, at about the Titans 5 yard line with almost 5 minutes to go in the game when they were down by two TD’s and two 2 pt. conversions.

 

Jackson definitely isn’t off the hook for that game but there were a lot of factors that put that team behind the 8 ball throughout the game that were not all his doing.

Edited January 12, 2020 by Binghamton Beast

[Magox]

Lamar had an amazing regular season, their ground attack essentially setup all their deadly passes over the middle and it was a combination that most of the NFL wasn’t able to figure out. And he deserves to be the league MVP.

 

With that said, I think the book is out on him now.  Stop the RB from getting his yards consistently.

 

Get outside contain on Lamar.

 

Take away his up the middle passes and force him to throw to the outside.

 

 

I know the Josh Allen haters don’t want to hear it and I know that Allen’s detractors in the media don’t see it but Allen’s upside is more exciting for me.   Allen can hit the outside passes as good as anyone in the league.   He just needs to continue to progress the way he did this past year.

 

Continue to improve on his mechanics.

Not be afraid to let his players make a play on the ball and to not be so cautious by overthrowing it.

Continue to keep getting better at seeing the field post snap.

And to continue getting more snaps and experience.

Get better at releasing the ball quicker vs the blitz.

 

Josh markedly improved on all those fronts except for allowing his receivers an opportunity to make a play on his he ball and getting the ball out against the blitz.

 

So I am very bullish on Allen’s prospects, more so now than ever.   He really was having a really good game up until the final quarter and even then he did make some incredible passes that only a handful of QBs could have made.

 

 

I just don’t believe Lamar will be able to replicate what he did this season.   I’ve always thought that it was unsustainable.   I could be wrong and I certainly didn’t see him Doing what he did this past year.   

 

 

[BringBackOrton]

20 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said:

I just read that the Ravens had the ball inside if the Titans 40 on 8 different drives and Jackson accounted for over 500 yards of offense.

 

Something clearly went wrong.

 

16 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Lamar went wrong

Incredibly, Lamar isn’t getting the “look how many yards he had!” Josh Allen Houston excuse.

[Big Gun]

15 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Lamar went wrong

yup, he's not a good QB. He will go the way of Tyrod, Kaepernick, RG 3 whereas every year after his best year will become worse and worse.

[BringBackOrton]

Just now, Magox said:

Lamar had an amazing regular season, their ground attack essentially setup all their deadly passes over the middle and it was a combination that most of the NFL wasn’t able to figure out. And he deserves to be the league MVP.

 

With that said, I think the book is out on him now.  Stop the RB from getting his yards consistently.

 

Get outside contain on Lamar.

 

Take away his up the middle passes and force him to throw to the outside.

 

 

I know the Josh Allen haters don’t want to hear it and I know that Allen’s detractors in the media don’t see it but Allen’s upside is more exciting for me.   Allen can hit the outside passes as good as anyone in the league.   He just needs to continue to progress the way he did this past year.

 

Continue to improve on his mechanics.

Not be afraid to let his players make a play on the ball and to not be so cautious by overthrowing it.

Continue to keep getting better at seeing the field post snap.

And to continue getting more snaps and experience.

Get better at releasing the ball quicker vs the blitz.

 

Josh markedly improved on all those fronts except for allowing his receivers an opportunity to make a play on his he ball and getting the ball out against the blitz.

 

So I am very bullish on Allen’s prospects, more so now than ever.   He really was having a really good game up until the final quarter and even then he did make some incredible passes that only a handful of QBs could have made.

 

 

I just don’t believe Lamar will be able to replicate what he did this season.   I’ve always thought that it was unsustainable.   I could be wrong and I certainly didn’t see him Doing what he did this past year.   

 

 

Josh stared down his WR’s on the outside curl twice last game and almost threw 2 pick sixes. Not sure I’d call that as good as anyone. Maybe as good as Lamar?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, BringBackOrton said:

 

Incredibly, Lamar isn’t getting the “look how many yards he had!” Josh Allen Houston excuse.

 

And Lamar isn't getting the LOOK HOW INACCURATE criticism either. Amazing, no?

[BringBackOrton]

Just now, Joe in Winslow said:

 

And Lamar isn't getting the LOOK HOW INACCURATE criticism either. Amazing, no?

He should be. He was off all night.

 

I mentioned it 50 pages ago in this behemoth thread. That first pick would have been called “just a little off” by the announcers if Josh threw it. Lamar was getting the star treatment for a while by Ian Eagle.

[Magox]

3 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

Josh stared down his WR’s on the outside curl twice last game and almost threw 2 pick sixes. Not sure I’d call that as good as anyone. Maybe as good as Lamar?

That’s not what I was saying, even though that hadn’t been a chronic issue for Allen throughout the season but a documented one for Lamar.

 

Allen has the arm strength to pull off sideline passes like few others can do, those issues you cited were mental.

Edited January 12, 2020 by Magox

[BringBackOrton]

2 minutes ago, Magox said:

That’s not what I was saying, even though that hadn’t been a chronic issue for Allen throughout the season but a documented one for Lamar.

 

Allen has the arm strength to pull off sideline passes like few others can do, those issues you cited were mental.

Fair enough. I’m not sure LJ’s problem is arm strength either.

 

Those ducks last night were uncharacteristic to my eye, although I haven’t watched every game he’s played.

[stuvian]

7 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

2017 Mike Vrabel was hired by the Titans as Head Coach and Jimmy G was sent to San Francisco. We were close to NE dominating the division 15 more years.

 

I'm sure they're happy with 2 more Super Bowl rings but that was close. 

Did Vrabel get a DC job before being a HC? I know we're supposed to hate all ex-Pats but I'm duly impressed. So is he considered to be from the Belichick coaching tree if he never coached in NE?

[GreggTX]

I honestly couldn't care less about the rest of the playoffs. As far as I'm concerned, when the Bills are finished, the season is finished. All of these playoff games amount to nothing more than Not-The_Bills vs Not-The_Bills.

[H2o]

20 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said:

When was garbage time, exactly?

 

I remember Jackson hitting the tight end right in the chest, and it bouncing away, at about the Titans 5 yard line with almost 5 minutes to go in the game when they were down by two TD’s and two 2 pt. conversions.

 

Jackson definitely isn’t off the hook for that game but there were a lot of factors that put that team behind the 8 ball throughout the game that were not all his doing.

No, I'm not saying it's all on him by any means. He and that offense still aren't built to win a game that way. He's the MVP this year, 1st team All Pro, and put together one heck of a season. They let him do whatever between the 20's, but shut them down after that. 

[stuvian]

It was quite apparent that Harbaugh did not game plan the Titans. There were no meaningful in game adjustments. I wonder how that will impact the remaining HC coaching searches for Ravens assistants 

[CommonCents]

16 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

Fair enough. I’m not sure LJ’s problem is arm strength either.

 

Those ducks last night were uncharacteristic to my eye, although I haven’t watched every game he’s played.

He has always struggled throwing outside the numbers. That’s why I didn’t want to draft him.

 

His footwork doesn’t help and he is better at floating a pass than he is throwing it on a line. 

[HOUSE]

I am enjoying Ryan Tannehill making the Dolphins look like idiots.

 

Thats about it

[Big Gun]

4 minutes ago, stuvian said:

It was quite apparent that Harbaugh did not game plan the Titans. There were no meaningful in game adjustments. I wonder how that will impact the remaining HC coaching searches for Ravens assistants 

I said it when Harbaugh put all his eggs in Lamars basket and got rid of Flacco that it was a bad move. Not that Flacco was the answer but Lamar isn't the answer either. Poor decision by Harbaugh and will be interesting to see where he is in 5 years as Jackson won't repeat the season he just had where is was all set up for him to succeed. IMO the league has caught up for the most part and Lamars games will look alot like last night and worse going forward. As time went on Tyrod, RG 3, Kaepernick, and other runners posing as QBs games got worse and worse until they were useless as QBs and benched. 

[DCbillsfan]

54 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

Apply the same standard to Allen (not saying you personally don’t- but most don’t) 

 

I think it’s on the coaches really... they built a system that is 100% dependent on their best player never having a bad day. He had a bad day today and couldn’t overcome it. You saw that in his play, and you saw it in his attitude. 

I tend to agree.  Jackson didn't get much help from his team mates and the Ravens had some costly mistakes.  Titans played a very sound game and no big mistakes.

[whatdrought]

1 minute ago, DCbillsfan said:

I tend to agree.  Jackson didn't get much help from his team mates and the Ravens had some costly mistakes.  Titans played a very sound game and no big mistakes.

 

He didn’t, but he also played like *****. 

[JerseyBills]

57 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said:

I just read that the Ravens had the ball inside if the Titans 40 on 8 different drives and Jackson accounted for over 500 yards of offense.

 

Something clearly went wrong.

The gimmick stopped working. Made Lamar ineffective on the ground and actually make reads and go through progressions , something he is horrid at. 

I feel like Buf laid the blueprint on how to stop him and Tenn took it to another level. 

 

[atlbillsfan1975]

33 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said:

When was garbage time, exactly?

 

I remember Jackson hitting the tight end right in the chest, and it bouncing away, at about the Titans 5 yard line with almost 5 minutes to go in the game when they were down by two TD’s and two 2 pt. conversions.

 

Jackson definitely isn’t off the hook for that game but there were a lot of factors that put that team behind the 8 ball throughout the game that were not all his doing.

Pretty much was all his doing. His tight ends and wide receivers made catches for him. 
Lamar ran sideways on a fourth and inches play. Sideways. Everything points to Lamar being an exceptional athlete, with very little else to offer the QB position. Did you watch the game? Lamar couldn’t run consistently, and he can’t throw good passes consistently. I will go one step further, his entire body language on the sidelines when they showed him was of someone out of sorts.

i think you have seen the best of Lamar, it’s not good enough in the playoffs.