Jerry Hughes says he played this season with torn wrist ligaments - NFL investigating whether Bills violated league rules with reporting injury (NFL didn’t find a violation)

[noacls]

22 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I think Hughes has at least 2 more good years. He is still playing like a 10 sack per year DE. I feel like the officials mess with him on purpose which is wrong. We have the cap space to sign a DE and draft one and we should do both.

Hughes has not had a double digit sack season in 6 years and only twice out of a 10 year career.  I think it's safe to say those 10 sack seasons are an anomaly in his career. He constantly gets stupid penalties.  He has averaged 5.15 sacks per season. He has has to be one of the most overrated players in Buffalo sports history. 

Average to above average at best and he is treated like  a HOF player around here. 

[dave mcbride]

31 minutes ago, noacls said:

Um... he was talking about Milano. 

yeah, I know. i made a mistake.

[123719bwiqrb]

8 minutes ago, noacls said:

Hughes has not had a double digit sack season in 6 years and only twice out of a 10 year career.  I think it's safe to say those 10 sack seasons are an anomaly in his career. He constantly gets stupid penalties.  He has averaged 5.15 sacks per season. He has has to be one of the most overrated players in Buffalo sports history. 

Average to above average at best and he is treated like  a HOF player around here. 

 

That "facemask" PF was bull, but Jerry is a magnet for that crap.  He has been much better under McD, but when the lights were shining too bright, the bad Jerry came back out to play.

 

I'd be fine making him a "cap casualty" and moving on.  But you better land a big whale to fill the spot.

[noacls]

1 minute ago, dave mcbride said:

yeah, I know. i made a mistake.

Been there my friend.  Lol

[PIZ]

So, the NFL screws the Bills over in the playoff game, and says "we stand by our calls", but now they want to look into this?

[YoloinOhio]

36 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Haha.  The NFL has become a complete joke.  They monitor what players say on Twitter for rules violations and over-rule their own rules on the field of play in a playoff game.  

Hey they don’t miss a beat!

 

 

*except obvious calls that decide playoff games 

[dave mcbride]

LOL re the investigation. Chris Hogan played 2015 with torn ligaments in his wrist. Never reported. Robert Woods played 2015 with a torn thigh muscle (quad/hamstring; can't recall). Never reported. 

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Hey they don’t miss a beat!

 

 

*except obvious calls that decide playoff games 

https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/buffalo-bills-chris-hogan-wrist-injury-torn-ligaments-010616

[Bookie Man]

? show

[RaoulDuke79]

Have they flagged him for unsportsmanlike conduct for playing with an injury yet?

[dave mcbride]

28 minutes ago, noacls said:

Hughes has not had a double digit sack season in 6 years and only twice out of a 10 year career.  I think it's safe to say those 10 sack seasons are an anomaly in his career. He constantly gets stupid penalties.  He has averaged 5.15 sacks per season. He has has to be one of the most overrated players in Buffalo sports history. 

Average to above average at best and he is treated like  a HOF player around here. 

This is so wrong. He is an elite pressure guy and the grades show it year over year. He has been disruptive his whole career with the Bills. To wit:

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/news/jerry-hughes-led-bills-defensive-front-to-top-10-pff-ranking

Edited January 9, 2020 by dave mcbride

[NoHuddleKelly12]

The only fair resolution here, imho, would be for the Patriots to be awarded not less than 3 compensatory draft picks from the Bills.@Ridgewaycynic2013, I just need some backup here—does that also strike you as equitable, or should it be 5?

 

[YoloinOhio]

Just now, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

The only fair resolution here, imho, would be for the Patriots to be awarded not less than 3 compensatory draft picks from the Bills.@Ridgewaycynic2013, I just need some backup here—does that also strike you as equitable, or should it be 5?

 

Can they just tack on this punishment to the one we will get for the Pats filming the Bengals sideline?

[noacls]

13 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

This is so wrong. He is an elite pressure guy and the grades show it year over year. He has been disruptive his whole career with the Bills. To wit:

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/news/jerry-hughes-led-bills-defensive-front-to-top-10-pff-ranking

You lost me at PFF. Also no pro bowl seasons, no all pro seasons. So apparently his peers and NFL Personnel men and women agree with me. Vastly overrated. Thank you for the civil discussion.  

Also there was no reason for him to bring this up other than to say look at me. He may very well end up getting organization penalized

Edited January 9, 2020 by noacls

[dabills26]

I love my Bills and I love football but this is a joke. Next year I'm highly considering even paying for NFL package. I'll always be a Bills fan and root for them but to hell with NFL if the Bills get penalized especially after all the crap the Patriots pull. Not to mention lack of calls in all our games.

[HOUSE]

Well, at least the NFL spelled Jerry Hughes name correctly, we are making progress here...

[dave mcbride]

24 minutes ago, noacls said:

You lost me at PFF. Also no pro bowl seasons, no all pro seasons. So apparently his peers and NFL Personnel men and women agree with me. Vastly overrated. Thank you for the civil discussion.  

Also there was no reason for him to bring this up other than to say look at me. He may very well end up getting organization penalized

Chris Hogan and Robert Woods said pretty much EXACTLY the same thing after the 2015 seasons. Nothing happened.

24 minutes ago, noacls said:

You lost me at PFF. Also no pro bowl seasons, no all pro seasons. So apparently his peers and NFL Personnel men and women agree with me. Vastly overrated. Thank you for the civil discussion.  

Also there was no reason for him to bring this up other than to say look at me. He may very well end up getting organization penalized

Also, I know it's really, really fashionable on this board to dismiss PFF completely (and believe me, I have my issues with them), but their analyses aren't entirely worthless, as so many seem to believe here. There is a reason that McDermott and Beane re-upped Hughes a couple of years ago. He was a genuinely excellent player in 2017.

[nucci]

26 minutes ago, noacls said:

You lost me at PFF. Also no pro bowl seasons, no all pro seasons. So apparently his peers and NFL Personnel men and women agree with me. Vastly overrated. Thank you for the civil discussion.  

Also there was no reason for him to bring this up other than to say look at me. He may very well end up getting organization penalized

this would be Hughes fault? I get you don't  like him but you're saying the Bills did not know about this?

[nedboy7]

28 minutes ago, noacls said:

You lost me at PFF. Also no pro bowl seasons, no all pro seasons. So apparently his peers and NFL Personnel men and women agree with me. Vastly overrated. Thank you for the civil discussion.  

Also there was no reason for him to bring this up other than to say look at me. He may very well end up getting organization penalized

You lost me at pro bowl. See how this game goes?  

[dave mcbride]

6 minutes ago, nucci said:

this would be Hughes fault? I get you don't  like him but you're saying the Bills did not know about this?

And again: 

 

Hogan: https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/buffalo-bills-chris-hogan-wrist-injury-torn-ligaments-010616

 

Woods: http://espn.go.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/23231/bills-robert-woods-played-14-games-with-torn-groin

 

None of this was reported. 

Edited January 9, 2020 by dave mcbride

[YoloinOhio]

Was Zay Jones labrum tear reported in 2017? I remember his dad announcing  it after the season was over that he played with it and then he had the surgery in the offseason. 

[NoSaint]

50 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

LOL re the investigation. Chris Hogan played 2015 with torn ligaments in his wrist. Never reported. Robert Woods played 2015 with a torn thigh muscle (quad/hamstring; can't recall). Never reported. 

https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/buffalo-bills-chris-hogan-wrist-injury-torn-ligaments-010616

and I think at least one or both got investigated 

 

the team might see a minor fine. As soon as Jerry posted this it was obvious this would happen. We likely never hear any outcome with it being relatively insignificant 

[Meatloaf63]

46 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

This is so wrong. He is an elite pressure guy and the grades show it year over year. He has been disruptive his whole career with the Bills. To wit:

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/news/jerry-hughes-led-bills-defensive-front-to-top-10-pff-ranking

He’s a stat watcher, it’s what you get when you don’t actually pay attention to what’s happening on the field.The biggest problem with Hughs is that the referees have obviously black balled him after the confrontation....

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

My 2 cents 

 

 The NFL's policy  on teams reporting injuries, in part, reads: “If any player has a significant or noteworthy injury, it must be listed on the practice report, even if he fully participates in practice and the team expects that he will play in the team’s next game. This is especially important for key players whose injuries may be covered extensively by the media.”

 

The policy also reads: “The information must be credible, accurate, timely, and specific within the guidelines of the policy, which is of paramount importance to maintaining the integrity of the game.”

 

When the Pats *****  stop lying on the IR's then I say the Bills should worry. 

[dave mcbride]

35 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said:

He’s a stat watcher, it’s what you get when you don’t actually pay attention to what’s happening on the field.The biggest problem with Hughs is that the referees have obviously black balled him after the confrontation....

Yeah, I don't know what's up with that, honestly. That could make for a good Buffalo News investigative report. 

Edited January 9, 2020 by dave mcbride

[Meatloaf63]

1 minute ago, dave mcbride said:

Yeah, I don't know what's up with that, honestly. That good make for a good Buffalo News investigative report. 

I wish I had the time to pull clips of all the ignored fouls committed on him the past few years. The Bills need to go this and ask what’s up???? 

[klos63]

5 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

 

My 2 cents 

 

 The NFL's policy  on teams reporting injuries, in part, reads: “If any player has a significant or noteworthy injury, it must be listed on the practice report, even if he fully participates in practice and the team expects that he will play in the team’s next game. This is especially important for key players whose injuries may be covered extensively by the media.”

 

The policy also reads: “The information must be credible, accurate, timely, and specific within the guidelines of the policy, which is of paramount importance to maintaining the integrity of the game.”

 

When the Pats *****  stop lying on the IR's then I say the Bills should worry. 

Haven't the Patriots listed about 20 players on the injury report at times? I thought they often overdid it.

[DrDawkinstein]

I'm sure someone's mentioned this, but it seems that every year after the season certain players come out and talk about injuries they "played through". Usually seems like they are simply trying to cover for a drop in stats and performance.

 

Not sure why Jerry felt he had to run his mouth on this, but I'm guessing he may have overblown the truth to sound like a "warrior". And when the league investigates they'll find it wasnt so bad.

 

I think the league investigates these things every year as players make excuses. I havent seen any serious scandals uncovered, or serious punishments handed out, so far.

[noacls]

43 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

You lost me at pro bowl. See how this game goes?  

Except I used facts and stats and well your just....

See how this game goes

[nedboy7]

1 hour ago, noacls said:

Except I used facts and stats and well your just....

See how this game goes

You dismissed certain facts or info and used the ones that support your point. 

[RaoulDuke79]

2 hours ago, PIZ said:

So, the NFL screws the Bills over in the playoff game, and says "we stand by our calls", but now they want to look into this?

Bastards 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, klos63 said:

Haven't the Patriots listed about 20 players on the injury report at times? I thought they often overdid it.

 

they abuse it all the time OMO. 

 

Was Toms foot on the list along with his elbow?  Reports from 2 days ago 

Tom Brady was battling foot injury along with elbow ailment in December: report

 

Then there was the concussion 2 or 3 years ago his wife said he had that he emphatically denied!

[row_33]

21 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

Bastards 

 

stop the press of the Buffalo News!!!

 

newsflash coming in

20 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

 

they abuse it all the time OMO. 

 

Was Toms foot on the list along with his elbow?  Reports from 2 days ago 

Tom Brady was battling foot injury along with elbow ailment in December: report

 

Then there was the concussion 2 or 3 years ago his wife said he had that he emphatically denied!

 

Tom showed up for one Super Bowl week with the mega air cast on his foot

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

3 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

The only fair resolution here, imho, would be for the Patriots to be awarded not less than 3 compensatory draft picks from the Bills.@Ridgewaycynic2013, I just need some backup here—does that also strike you as equitable, or should it be 5?

 

I’m in Canada.  We tend to count in multiples of 6.  (A six, a twelve pack, and the ever popular two four.)  Surely the league would find a way to award multiple compensatory draft picks based upon the ‘legend’ of the NEP, their fair haired QB, and HC ‘Mumbles’.

[Punching Bag]

6 hours ago, row_33 said:

 

Tom admitted he played with the effects of concussion. 

 

But that's not the same because they've allowed NCAA and NFL players to continue in playoff games when they couldn't tell you what planet they were currently on.

 

 

Maybe he can claim he had a concussion when he signed the below market deal and he should be paid fairly retroactively.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

5 hours ago, noacls said:

Hughes has not had a double digit sack season in 6 years and only twice out of a 10 year career.  I think it's safe to say those 10 sack seasons are an anomaly in his career. He constantly gets stupid penalties.  He has averaged 5.15 sacks per season. He has has to be one of the most overrated players in Buffalo sports history. 

Average to above average at best and he is treated like  a HOF player around here. 

I'm not saying he's a HOF type player but what we are paying him with the pressures that he gets along with the sacks seems to be about right. He knows his job in McD system and does what he is supposed to do and he holds up ok vs the run.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

I would like to see Hughes be treated fairly by the officials. He gets mugged out there on a ton of  plays with the official looking right at him and no flag. He is averaging 11.5 mil a year and if he gives us two more good years it's well worth it. If we just get another good pass rusher and another good CB this defense will be a top 3 unit next year easily.

[sven233]

Yeah....I'm sure the Bills are the only team that didn't report an injury on the report this year.

 

This is so stupid.

 

Next year, the Bills should just list everyone as questionable every week with bumps and bruises and state that every player on the team was limited in practice and see how that goes over.  That should cover everything.

Edited January 9, 2020 by sven233

[Punching Bag]

Just now, sven233 said:

Yeah....I'm sure the Bills are the only team that didn't report an injury on the report this year.

 

This is so stupid.

 

Next year, the Bills should just list everyone as questionable every week with bumps and bruises and state that every player on the team was limited in practice see how that goes over.  That should cover everything.

 

Are you suggesting that the Bills steal the Cheats game plan?

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

5 hours ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

 

My 2 cents 

 

 The NFL's policy  on teams reporting injuries, in part, reads: “If any player has a significant or noteworthy injury, it must be listed on the practice report, even if he fully participates in practice and the team expects that he will play in the team’s next game. This is especially important for key players whose injuries may be covered extensively by the media.”

 

The policy also reads: “The information must be credible, accurate, timely, and specific within the guidelines of the policy, which is of paramount importance to maintaining the integrity of the game.”

 

When the Pats *****  stop lying on the IR's then I say the Bills should worry. 

that especially part is pretty interesting 

[ALLEN1QB]

Hughes needs to learn to keep his mouth shut why would he even say something like this even if it was true geez