egd Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 hour ago, matter2003 said: My question? Why did he even catch the ball to begin with? Players just move away a lot of times now and let it bounce in the end zone. Seems there is no good reason to even touch the ball as a returner if you are not planning to bring it out. To practice catching the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 10 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: wow, what part of that did you need to edit? lol Whatever Mr. WEO, I'm pissed off today. Usually the next day I'm over it, just so tired of the BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egd Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: It’s not new at all. It is new. Never happened in the 80's or 90's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Just now, Real McNasty said: Whatever Mr. WEO, I'm pissed off today. Usually the next day I'm over it, just so tired of the BS. Fair enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egd Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 8 minutes ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said: I thought all scoring plays were reviewed no?? This was not a scoring play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig1Hunter Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) The rule wording is clear. You must put your knee on the ground or lay down AND show no further intent of advancing the ball to give yourself up. Throwing the ball to the ref doesn’t satisfy the rule requirements. Anyone remember when Tre has the pick at the end of the cincy game? He gave himself up, and one of the determining factors in that was that we went to the ground. You can’t just stand there and say “safe”. The rule is the rule. The mysterious “backup refs” frantically running onto the field pissed me off then, and piss me off even more now. John Parry with his “cooler heads prevailing” and “common sense” statements are crazy. Almost as irritating as the 5 quarters of JJ Watt ballwashing we had to endure. Edited January 5, 2020 by Sig1Hunter 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Just now, egd said: This was not a scoring play. Had to challenge to overturn. Not sure if even reviewable by coaches though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Say a punt returner catches a ball at the 10 yard line and shows no signal of a fair catch yet catches the ball and just stands there without being tackled. 2 seconds later he turns and tosses the ball to the ref and the ball hits the ground, is that a live ball? or did he intend to give up the ball? It's a damn live ball and the same as what happened yesterday. Bills got screwed once again and it directly affected the outcome of the game, it's really getting old! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egd Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, pennstate10 said: As i said in the other thread. 100% chance that every NFL ST coach is showing this to his team, telling his returner to ALWAYS TAKE A EFFIN KNEE!!! Texans lucked out and avoided the TD, or safety. At the time, I said McD should've blown up, that Bellichek would have done so. Mistake by McD in my book. Yep, mistake by a young coach not knowing the rules. Edited January 5, 2020 by egd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, egd said: It is new. Never happened in the 80's or 90's. Returners routinely took a knee in the EZ to give selves up. It’s not really new 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, egd said: This was not a scoring play. It was ruled one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egd Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Just now, Mr. WEO said: It was ruled one No, it was ruled he gave himself up after a conference. Only if the officials rule a score on the field is there a review. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, Sig1Hunter said: John Parry with his “cooler heads prevailing” and “common sense” statements are crazy. Almost as irritating as the 5 quarters of JJ Watt ballwashing we had to endure. that was bizarre. They kept repeating it like students reading off of a chalkboard in some dystopian classroom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, egd said: No, it was ruled he gave himself up after a conference. Only if the officials rule a score on the field is there a review. It was signaled as a TD. It was subsequently overturned. It may not have been a booth review but many refs were conferencing on the field and they overturned the call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, egd said: No, it was ruled he gave himself up after a conference. Only if the officials rule a score on the field is there a review. It was live and ruled a TD. What are you talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egd Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Just now, Mr. WEO said: It was signaled as a TD. It was subsequently overturned. It may not have been a booth review but many refs were conferencing on the field and they overturned the call. Yes, the officials are allowed to do that. But a review is only done after they indicate a score as their official decision.. Just now, Real McNasty said: It was live and ruled a TD. What are you talking about? The officials are allowed to change their minds after a conference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, egd said: Yes, the officials are allowed to do that. But a review is only done after they indicate a score as their official decision.. The officials are allowed to change their minds after a conference. They’re allowed to pick up the flag, but the R made the initial call correctly. He was overruled after pleading by the sideline committee to not do that to the home Texans in a playoff game. Total crap ruling for the sake of allowing the home team to save face. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, egd said: Yes, the officials are allowed to do that. But a review is only done after they indicate a score as their official decision.. The officials are allowed to change their minds after a conference. I could be wrong but I have only seen ruled TD's overturned by the review booth? Some side squabble conference and "intent" crap is the first I've seen to remove what was ruled a TD by the Head Ref. There were no flags on the field for the refs to discuss. Edited January 5, 2020 by Real McNasty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 16 minutes ago, egd said: This was not a scoring play. Bills scored a touchdown. The ruling on the field initially was a touchdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 59 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: "This doesn't FEEL right, so let's just call it a touchback." Feelings are not facts. And of course later in the same game, common sense went straight out the window when it came to deciding to flag Ford for a “crackback” block in a critical situation. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 hour ago, stevewin said: This was actually an excellent discussion. Didn't realize rule was written "AND". I was fine with the call at the time, but this doesn't make me feel better. Hasselbeck has perfect analogy with victory formation - you can't just hand the ball over when the rule says you must be down. They try to play devil's advocate and say Bills still lost the game, but there is zero percent chance they lose if that is called a TD. The shame really is the ref got it right to begin, then caved to everyone saying "Oh my God everyone knows what he meant to do" As they mention - it's real dicey territory when officials don't follow the rule as written and decide to alter calls based on what they consider intent. In this case it may have been obvious, but what about other situations that may not be so clear cut. That's why the rules are there. Ive been screaming this all year that it is a live ball yet as soon as the ball touches the end zone etc and the guy doesnt run out or field it the refs blow it dead. It is a live freakin ball!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 7 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said: Ive been screaming this all year that it is a live ball yet as soon as the ball touches the end zone etc and the guy doesnt run out or field it the refs blow it dead. It is a live freakin ball!!! Actually the rule now is that if a kick lands in the end zone without being fielded it is a touchback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 39 minutes ago, egd said: No, it was ruled he gave himself up after a conference. Only if the officials rule a score on the field is there a review. I thought the ref with two arms up in the air meant a score. Does it really just mean he's confused? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 I agree with others who have said this was a valuable/interesting conversation (in the linked video). Here is the key: the NFL sent "reserve" (?) officials onto the field to TELL the game officials how to rule, and they did this based on their own interpretation and invention of the rule book. That's not how it's supposed to work. The officials coming off the sideline who reversed the call on the field effectively said, even if they don't realize it: "Never mind what the rule book actually says; we know what the player's intent was and in the spirit of the rules, we are going to rule this is not a touchdown." Talk about Mickey Mouse! What a load of horseshit that is! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, stevewin said: Actually the rule now is that if a kick lands in the end zone without being fielded it is a touchback When did that change? Man they are taking so much away from special teams its unreal. Do you have a link to the rule? Edited January 5, 2020 by billsfan_34 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, klos63 said: These guys are correct. The returner didn't know the rule and he screwed up. By rule, it should have been a TD for us. exactly when a guy balks by stepping off with the wrong foot they dont say well I know you meant to do that with the other foot. the league is corrupt 46 minutes ago, egd said: No, it was ruled he gave himself up after a conference. Only if the officials rule a score on the field is there a review. he threw his hands up for a touchdown and should have been a safety at the end of the day Edited January 5, 2020 by CardinalScotts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Reminds me of when DeSean Jackson dropped the ball before crossing the goal line. There was no interpretation by the refs that his intent was to drop it after crossing the goal line. He made a dumb/lazy mistake and paid the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belgium_Bill Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 I for one was amazed at how little attention this got on the official NFL channels i.e. Gamepass and all. As it was a play-off game it was shown live on a national (Belgian) channel over here and the local commentator was straight away adament it was totally incomprehensible how a 100% valid touchdown was ruled away by assistent referees. He was still going on about it in the fourth quarter, and obviously at the end when we lost, how the Bills got outright robbed in a manner he hadn't seen in his 30 years of NFL reporting. Seems there was a lot more sugarcoating on the official NFL channels going on, with the "common sense prevailed" crap... Anyway, best to get the old cardboard box from the attic with the Music Ciry Miracle in and add this one to it... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cotton Fitzsimmons Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Michael1962 said: I did not see this posted, if I missed it please delete. Another reason to be grumpy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bJ7s40eey8&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR3FGh-OuiC_1abYGuf5ze4VYtrXsgZ3rbdSrC22MLf_YNCJH_LobQSRV6wt After taking a day to process, this play bothers me a lot more. At the time YE OLE wasn’t too upset as it did seem like common sense that he was giving himself up. But that said, there’s been many instances where weird things happen and they still call it by the book. I mean we all remember Desean Jackson’s bone headed play some years ago. Clearly his intent was to cross the goal line, but he didn’t and they ruled it as it actually happened: And perhaps the more relevant point is... if you go by “intent” and everyone stops playing without it being downed... this happens (and they obviously did NOT take this TD off the board for the Rams... and they wouldn’t have yesterday either if the Texans ran it back and everyone just “assumed” he gave himself up without actually doing it. Edited January 5, 2020 by Cotton Fitzsimmons 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Lurker said: Somebody ask Kapernick for his interpretation... He's busy giving his interpretation on American imperialism. Anywho, it was a blown call but it is what it is and we can't change it. Saints fans are pissed too. We should just do what the John Bender suggested in the Breakfast Club. I think our fans and their fans should get together and go bowling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 There will either be a rewriting of the rule, or the league will stress to teams that the next time it happens, the kicking team will be awarded a touchdown if the same thing happens. And Buffalo remains screwed over. It other news, the New Orleans Saints got screwed over again by an uncalled pass interference. This time it was Kyle Rudolph's obvious push off that allowed him to make the game winning touchdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pennstate10 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 8 minutes ago, TigerJ said: There will either be a rewriting of the rule, or the league will stress to teams that the next time it happens, the kicking team will be awarded a touchdown if the same thing happens. And Buffalo remains screwed over. This is 100% true. I also hope to learn more about the men in black, and what, if anything, should be their official roles in NFL playoff games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 After further review...… The Bills get screwed.....AGAIN. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ticketssince61 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 and there was no whistle so play was still alive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 2 point for us. No TD. Illegal forward pass from endzone is the right call. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 2 hours ago, Boatdrinks said: Again, if Roberts does this the TD stands and the frantic conference never happens. That's one of the questions I had. If it would have been the other nway around and Roberts did this, do the refs overturn it like they did for the Texans? I'm not sure they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael1962 Posted January 5, 2020 Author Share Posted January 5, 2020 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0017 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, Michael1962 said: Yep how it should have gone and we are playing chiefs next week. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 One thing I don’t understand - shouldn’t it have been an illegal forward pass out of the end zone (and thus a safety?) He made a throwing motion, right, he definitely didn’t fumble it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocbillsfan1 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 38 minutes ago, TigerJ said: There will either be a rewriting of the rule, or the league will stress to teams that the next time it happens, the kicking team will be awarded a touchdown if the same thing happens. And Buffalo remains screwed over. It other news, the New Orleans Saints got screwed over again by an uncalled pass interference. This time it was Kyle Rudolph's obvious push off that allowed him to make the game winning touchdown. There doesn’t need to be a rule change, the rules make perfect sense. The guy was a knucklehead and made a mistake and the league covered it up to protect their ratings. ***** bull####. Nfl is rigged and has been for a long time. Tired of the bull####. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts