Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 1 minute ago, JR in Pittsburgh said: How much do you want to bet that they hire Doug Marrone? ? What few players that were going to stay probably just aligned themselves with the rats leaving the sinking s***. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 25 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said: McDermott and Pat Shurmur we’re together in Philadelphia. If Daboll left, Shurmur is my pick to be our next OC. I would love it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Had an extended Christmas with in-laws today.Mentioned that tomorrow was Black Monday and I questioned whether Kitchens would make it past the night game. Question answered. I almost never feel good about someone losing their job - there was one exception from my office. Black Monday is part of the NFL but in addition to the head coaches that will be let go tomorrow, their coaching staffs will face a lot of uncertainty. Wouldn't wish that on anyone, much less this time of year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, JR in Pittsburgh said: How much do you want to bet that they hire Doug Marrone? ? What a gift that would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 43 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Fired per Schefter. I guess he can go back to standup as Larry the Cable Guy. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 33 minutes ago, bigbuffs said: Coaching Carousel in Cleveland continues. Browns recent coaching history: Eric Mangini, 2 years, Pat Shurmur, 2 years, Rob Chudzinski, 1 year, Mike Pettine, 2 years, Hue Jackson, 2.5 years, Freddie Kitchens, 1 year. Isn't this the definition of insanity? All guys who either failed in prior head coaching gigs or were first time head coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Freddie had to go. But he’s far from the only problem with that organization. Look way up top. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 So team building and culture are not over rated it seems. No one is successful in Cleveland because they are a collection of players with no culture to bind them to improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCockSportif Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Just Joshin' said: So team building and culture are not over rated it seems. No one is successful in Cleveland because they are a collection of players with no culture to bind them to improve. Plus they drafted a chud like Mayfield and brought that weirdo OBJ into the fold -- and figured that it would be all kumbaya. I'm not sure if one can follow a process or build a culture if one lacks situational awareness in the first place. Edited December 30, 2019 by Groin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 55 minutes ago, WideNine said: Trying to make a team out of all those egos.... Two coaches down... next. This is what the FO and owner specifically are too stupid to see. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 1 hour ago, WideNine said: Trying to make a team out of all those egos.... Two coaches down... next. Is that sh-ts creek? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 51 minutes ago, Groin said: Plus they drafted a chud like Mayfield and brought that weirdo OBJ into the fold -- and figured that it would be all kumbaya. I'm not sure if one can follow a process or build a culture if one lacks situational awareness in the first place. Dorsey somehow escaping criticism but he traded away one of the best RGs in the league for Olivier Vernon who was mostly non impactful due to injury and a 1st rounder for obj - and they threw for less yards than last year ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 1 hour ago, ColeB said: All guys who either failed in prior head coaching gigs or were first time head coaches. Isn't that 90% of new HC hirings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Blow it all up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Kitchens sinks because Kitchens stinks! 2 hours ago, Foxx said: i don't know that Dorsey should survive this gut. Seriously? A guy who brought in the biggest influx of talent any team has seen in years should be fired? Now if Kitchens was his choice, then that's a big negative mark. But with a competent coach (and a different QB) this team could really be special. Hell they could be special with Baker with the right coach who could humble him a bit. 2 hours ago, bigbuffs said: I don't know much about him but would anyone have interest in bringing Freddie here if Daboll were to leave for whatever reason? Would he be better than Dabo? WTF are you talking about? Does Kitchens seem like a process guy to you? Does he seem bright enough to coach this team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 I would have though Cleveland would give Kitchens more than one year. I guess that is why Cleveland is what they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 2 hours ago, JoPoy88 said: as is the problem in washington, cincinnati and a few other places, the problem in cleveland is ownership. Unfortunately that’s the only guy that can’t get fired. Thank you God that the Pegulas have things under control. PTL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 17 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said: I would have though Cleveland would give Kitchens more than one year. I guess that is why Cleveland is what they are. I'd typically agree. But Kitchens seems to be so far over his head as HC I think it had to be done. Rarely do I put much stock in a press release, but I thin the Browns' was spot on: Ownership" ...did not see the success or opportunities for improvement to move forward with him as our head coach". Doesn't get any clearer than that. I almost referred to him as a meathead coach. But perhaps it would be better to call him the plant-based version of a meathead. An impossible burger of a HC. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, The Dean said: I almost referred to him as a meathead coach. But perhaps it would be better to call him the plant-based version of a meathead. An impossible burger of a HC. LOL. Very creative, I like that analogy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 2 hours ago, x-BillzeBubba said: it's not real until booger says so: "by firing freddie, the Browns are saying they no longer want him to be the coach" That is one insightful Booger! What good candidate lines up to work in that clown show? 38 minutes ago, Virgil said: Blow it all up! Fire the OWNER!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Claude Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Quote Seriously? A guy who brought in the biggest influx of talent any team has seen in years should be fired? Now if Kitchens was his choice, then that's a big negative mark. But with a competent coach (and a different QB) this team could really be special. Hell they could be special with Baker with the right coach who could humble him a bit. Dorsey brought in all that talent by using up all the resources that the analytics guys Sashi Brown and Paul DePodesta acquired. He did it without any apparent strategy or regard to fit -- Tyrod for a 3rd rounder wasn't the only bad trade he made. He has totally neglected the offensive line and he hired an absolutely unexperienced head coach to appease a rookie quarterback. I didn't think he would be fired but it was certainly a possibility. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 8 hours ago, The Dean said: Seriously? A guy who brought in the biggest influx of talent any team has seen in years should be fired? Now if Kitchens was his choice, then that's a big negative mark. But with a competent coach (and a different QB) this team could really be special. Hell they could be special with Baker with the right coach who could humble him a bit. Bringing in talent =/= building a team. You'd like to think that any fan of the Bills who survived the disaster that was Doug Whaley's tenure would understand that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Bringing in talent =/= building a team. You'd like to think that any fan of the Bills who survived the disaster that was Doug Whaley's tenure would understand that. Hardly a disaster. The three years he was in control the Bills were a .500 football team despite at least two years of atrocious coaching. That isn't to say Doug was a good GM. There is just a difference between "disaster" which I would class the Modrak / Levy / figurehead Brandon years as and "not good enough" which is where I would say Doug was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 As for Kitchens... yea. He stinks. Add him to the list with Steve Wilks and Vance Joseph and Rob Chudzinski as guys who we didn't need a second year to know they stunk (I know Joseph got a 2nd year. I still don't know how). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 8 hours ago, Augie said: That is one insightful Booger! What good candidate lines up to work in that clown show? Fire the OWNER!!!! Is there anyway to work Booger into that RIF? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCockSportif Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 8 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Dorsey somehow escaping criticism but he traded away one of the best RGs in the league for Olivier Vernon who was mostly non impactful due to injury and a 1st rounder for obj - and they threw for less yards than last year ... I'm not sure if anybody in that moribund organization is devoid of criticism, but there's no question that Dorsey studied the bus schedule then threw Kitchens underneath it when it arrived. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Poleshifter Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 20 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: The same maroon who saw nothing wrong with wearing the ‘Pittsburgh Started It’ shirt out in public. Hah! I had forgotten about that little gem! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 I'm tired of the Daboll hate. I think he's doing better than a lot of people on this board say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 I have no idea what they were thinking making this guy a head coach. He may have a good mind for offense..I don't know. He's not mature enough, he's not a leader and he's emotional which aren't great qualities for a head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCockSportif Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: I have no idea what they were thinking making this guy a head coach. He may have a good mind for offense..I don't know. He's not mature enough, he's not a leader and he's emotional which aren't great qualities for a head coach. True words, but this is the same organization that made Sashi Brown its de facto GM. Before Sashi Brown was the GM, he was general counsel for the Jags. He had no other NFL experience before that. This is the Browns in vivid and living color. I used to wonder why the Bills kept rolling out guys like Dick Jauron and Chan Gailey and Marrone and now it's crystal clear as to why these things happen; it's because no HC or GM of quality wants to soil their reputation by attaching themselves to horrible organizations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x-BillzeBubba Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 17 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: I have no idea what they were thinking making this guy a head coach. He may have a good mind for offense..I don't know. He's not mature enough, he's not a leader and he's emotional which aren't great qualities for a head coach. because he said he wouldn't keep doing free cable installs if they didn't 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlottebillsfan2 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 On a positive note with the roster they have some sucker will take that job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) On 12/29/2019 at 8:11 PM, Foxx said: i don't know that Dorsey should survive this gut. Quote ...Seriously? A guy who brought in the biggest influx of talent any team has seen in years should be fired? Now if Kitchens was his choice, then that's a big negative mark. But with a competent coach (and a different QB) this team could really be special. Hell they could be special with Baker with the right coach who could humble him a bit. ... seriously. Browns meeting with GM Dorsey; job status in doubt Edited December 31, 2019 by Foxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 7 hours ago, Foxx said: seriously. Browns meeting with GM Dorsey; job status in doubt Clean sweep! I think Dorsey will be a hot commodity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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