Allen slammed on ESPN

[nucci]

16 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

I think most of us don’t care, but this is outrageous. Nationally broadcast current sports banter and they go off in a hate tangent about things obviously they’ve never been able to do themselves.

 

It rates throwing monkey crap their way.

 

#ProveThemWrongJosh!

It is ridiculous which is why I don't watch or listen to this stuff...I watch the games and know what I see. Even the Bills  Superbowl teams were put down often

[jrober38]

3 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

And that is it in a nutshell..  No other NFL team thinks every week that 17 points will win the game.

 

No other team in 2017, 2018 & 2019 (and the common denominator is the HC) has not passed for 300 yards in at least 1 game/yr.......  47 games & counting (46 under this coach).

 

I suspect it's a McDermott thing.

 

I mean Pittsburgh was literally playing their 3rd stringer, and he was much more aggressive than our QB. It was a disaster, but it still shows how we constantly have the training wheels on Allen and it's getting a bit ridiculous. He usually plays his best in the 4th quarter in tight games or when we're behind and they have to open things up. 

 

These next two games mean next to nothing. If we keep trying to win games 17-14, we'll know for sure that it's a McDermott thing and the odds of ever changing it will be slim to none.

 

If there was ever a time to be aggressive, it's the next two weeks. 

[row_33]

1 minute ago, jrober38 said:

 

I suspect it's a McDermott thing.

 

I mean Pittsburgh was literally playing their 3rd stringer, and he was much more aggressive than our QB. It was a disaster, but it still shows how we constantly have the training wheels on Allen and it's getting a bit ridiculous. He usually plays his best in the 4th quarter in tight games or when we're behind and they have to open things up. 

 

These next two games mean next to nothing. If we keep trying to win games 17-14, we'll know for sure that it's a McDermott thing and the odds of ever changing it will be slim to none.

 

If there was ever a time to be aggressive, it's the next two weeks. 

 

can't believe the Steelers found 3 QBs this season who will stand in the pocket and throw the ball downfield, the talent level shrunk as it went down the list, but the Bills haven't jumbled together 3 like this in 20 seasons

 

[ndirish1978]

That guy has never played a sport a day in his life. Why would anyone listen to his opinion? 

[jrober38]

Just now, row_33 said:

 

can't believe the Steelers found 3 QBs this season who will stand in the pocket and throw the ball downfield, the talent level shrunk as it went down the list, but the Bills haven't jumbled together 3 like this in 20 seasons

 

 

I honestly think Mike Tomlin should win Coach of the Year.

 

What's he's done there to keep that team in the thick of the playoff hunt, with their 2nd and 3rd string QBs, and Connor and Juju banged up a lot of the year has been incredible. 

[Dablitzkrieg]

***** him

[Irv]

ESPN needs to be power slammed through a burning table. 

[row_33]

Just now, Irv said:

ESPN needs to be power slammed through a burning table. 

 

as each paid subscription gets cancelled

 

[Like A Mofo]

3 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Start at 6:13. This is some of the most vehement hate for Allen I've seen. Methinks this should find its way to Josh...

 

 

Absolutely ridiculous!

 

ESPN has been compromised by its extremely far left rhetoric. They probably label Josh as a racist internally because of the tweet stuff.

 

Network is dead to me.

 

[row_33]

Just now, Like A Mofo said:

 

ESPN has been compromised by its extremely far left rhetoric. They probably label Josh as a racist internally because of the tweet stuff.

 

Network is dead to me.

 

 

the website is good for schedules and scores

 

[BuffaloSol]

33 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Always an excuse.....  They've played conservative all year long.  Sunday was a new low.  

 

This Development excuse is cr$p.....  He is 25 games in & they have yet to give him the keys to the car.  

 

Allen is their future.  He has shown the ability to win in the 4trh quarter. Time to see what he can do for 60 minutes.

Sorry, Football is about winning real games not your Fantasy League.

 

Josh and the rest of the team have 10 wins and 4 losses, pretty straight forward I think.

[Dablitzkrieg]

I called Bomani out on twitter last year for his BS and he blocked me.  He's a *****

[TigerJ]

Josh Allen has improved his game in many areas.  There are some areas where he still struggles.  His footwork on deep passes is still inconsistent, which leads to accuracy issues.  He is not a quick decision maker, which leads to vulnerability to blitzing and a heavy pass rush.  If he can't fix those, it lowers his ceiling.  I don't think there is any reason to believe he can't grow in those areas, but until he does, there are going to be detractors out there.  And, yes, some of them are blowhards.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

15 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

And that is it in a nutshell..  No other NFL team thinks every week that 17 points will win the game.

 

Sorry to interject a fact here, but the Bills actually average 20.8 ppg.  And when we have been limited to 17 ppg, McDermott usually says something about "not scoring enough points.  need to score more points."  In this case, against the team leading the league in QB pressures and blitzes, he may have made an exception.

 

The league average is 23.6 ppg, just so you know.  An offense averaging 14 points per half or 28 points per game would be 4th in the league, tied w/ KC and just ahead of Dallas.

Who are 7-7, just sayin'

 

15 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

No other team in 2017, 2018 & 2019 (and the common denominator is the HC) has not passed for 300 yards in at least 1 game/yr.......

 

I'd ask if you'd help me understand this 300 yd fixation, but I've kind of given up.

[Doc]

Is that Dan LeBastard?  Man, WTF happened to him?  And Bomani's always been a moron.  Good comedy bit, though.

[JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS]

this should be shown in the locker room Saturday at about 3:00.

[kbarrettb]

Josh Allen needs to be better. You can’t keep putting up terrible completion games while throwing under 200 yards and expect people to think you’re a good quarterback. This defense and coaching staff is great. Josh is the only thing that can make this team a super bowl contender. And the way he’s playing right now he is not. Be better Josh and this team can go places. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, BigPappy said:

 I was laughing at this comment myself thinking "yeah, and if my Uncle had a *****; he would be my Aunt". It has to be the dumbest comment I have heard on sports talk TV in a long a$$ time.

 

edit: Really? the system uses the * to edit out the medical term for female genitalia? 

 

I got nuttin'.  Honestly.  None of the mods understand what the bad language filter will and will not catch.

 

The other day I used the word "s n a t c h" in the Shoutbox, as a verb: ***** a victory.  It got ***** ed.  No joke.

[JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS]

4 minutes ago, kbarrettb said:

Josh Allen needs to be better. You can’t keep putting up terrible completion games while throwing under 200 yards and expect people to think you’re a good quarterback. This defense and coaching staff is great. Josh is the only thing that can make this team a super bowl contender. And the way he’s playing right now he is not. Be better Josh and this team can go places. 

 

Idc if Josh has 50 yards a game passing, if those 50 yards result in 5 TDs.  Why is this one stat so important to people?  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, kbarrettb said:

Josh Allen needs to be better. You can’t keep putting up terrible completion games while throwing under 200 yards and expect people to think you’re a good quarterback. This defense and coaching staff is great. Josh is the only thing that can make this team a super bowl contender. And the way he’s playing right now he is not. Be better Josh and this team can go places. 

 

Certainly Josh Allen needs to be better.  He knows it.

 

I'm curious about one point, and not strictly addressed at you - there are several who express a similar POV.

 

The Bills currently lead the league in dropped passes, and those are a conservative metric - passes which could be completed with "reasonable effort".  We have small WR who are unable to haul in the "jump balls" or even the slight overthrow catches that other WR make routinely.  We have a starting TE who drops one out of five targets - 20%.  We have a much improved OL, but they either need a piece or they need to gel - our best blocking TE has a large number of false start penalties, and we're 22 in the league in sack % DESPITE a QB with good mobility and escapability.

 

But the focus is all on the QB - he needs to be better.

 

Why is that?

 

Daboll and McDermott both routinely say it takes 11 guys to make an offensive play.  They're not wrong.

[RaoulDuke79]

2 hours ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Right. Anyone who has ever listened to him shouldn't be surprised.

 

My favorite line from one of the other idiots: "If Duck Hodges hadn't thrown all those interceptions, he would have had a better day than Allen"  LMFAO...

 

Well, you know what they say about opinions....

They would just respond with the same stale line "you dont get the show" that they always do  and say it was tongue in cheek  when they get called out. The Lebatard show is a mess. The spend half the time goofing around like buffoons and the other half attempting to be taken seriously on social issues. 

[Doc]

11 minutes ago, kbarrettb said:

Josh Allen needs to be better. You can’t keep putting up terrible completion games while throwing under 200 yards and expect people to think you’re a good quarterback. This defense and coaching staff is great. Josh is the only thing that can make this team a super bowl contender. And the way he’s playing right now he is not. Be better Josh and this team can go places. 

 

They all need to be better.

[billsfan1959]

30 minutes ago, Like A Mofo said:

ESPN has been compromised by its extremely far left rhetoric. They probably label Josh as a racist internally because of the tweet stuff.

Network is dead to me.

 

29 minutes ago, row_33 said:

the website is good for schedules and scores

 

Honestly, I haven't watched anything on ESPN in years. The quality of the product has just continually gotten worse

[kbarrettb]

1 minute ago, JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS said:

 

Idc if Josh has 50 yards a game passing, if those 50 yards result in 5 TDs.  Why is this one stat so important to people?  

Completion percentage means more. And lately he hasn’t completed nearly enough passes. They are winning sure but not because of Allen. Tre took back an interception to the what 17 yard line and we got 3 points. That’s not going to win you a game in the playoffs. 

[Like A Mofo]

1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

 

Honestly, I haven't watched anything on ESPN in years. The quality of the product has just continually gotten worse

 

I agree. Of course if there is a game that is only on that network I will watch it but there are many other options available as good.

[benderbender]

As someone who listens to the DLSwS regularly (which is pretty much the show prep for Highly Questionable), this is coming out of nowhere. I enjoy the show because the format is “kind of sports, but not specifically.”

LeBatard has made his entire career on race and scandal. His bread has always been buttered on the side. So when Lamar Jackson is the presumptive MVP, he is in hog heaven berating the Bill Polians of the world and injecting subtle accusations of racism. 
 

He’s also not a fan of the NFL. You can tell his show prep is the NFL scroll on the ESPN website.

And again, Josh Allen doesn’t fit his racial/scandal narrative. This take almost feels like a tantrum for having to discuss Buffalo in a serious way. 

[kbarrettb]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Certainly Josh Allen needs to be better.  He knows it.

 

I'm curious about one point, and not strictly addressed at you - there are several who express a similar POV.

 

The Bills currently lead the league in dropped passes, and those are a conservative metric - passes which could be completed with "reasonable effort".  We have small WR who are unable to haul in the "jump balls" or even the slight overthrow catches that other WR make routinely.  We have a starting TE who drops one out of five targets - 20%.  We have a much improved OL, but they either need a piece or they need to gel - our best blocking TE has a large number of false start penalties, and we're 22 in the league in sack % DESPITE a QB with good mobility and escapability.

 

But the focus is all on the QB - he needs to be better.

 

Why is that?

 

Daboll and McDermott both routinely say it takes 11 guys to make an offensive play.  They're not wrong.

Because at the end of the day it is on the quarterback. He has to know who he’s throwing to. Brady has thrown to nothing basically his entire career. Wentz has no one to throw to. Jimmy G before sanders got there had nothing to throw to except the tight end. Josh isn’t the only one with weird receivers to throw to. He’s just got to be better and a quicker decision maker. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Just now, kbarrettb said:

Because at the end of the day it is on the quarterback. He has to know who he’s throwing to. Brady has thrown to nothing basically his entire career. Wentz has no one to throw to. Jimmy G before sanders got there had nothing to throw to except the tight end. Josh isn’t the only one with weird receivers to throw to. He’s just got to be better and a quicker decision maker. 

 

You lost me right there.

[blacklabel]

3 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

On the other end of the spectrum I was listening to WFAN in NYC on Tuesday and they were taking about Josh Allen.  To summarize, they said statistically he doesn't look great but he's got that 4th qtr mentality that when the game is on the line he plays his best.  He's a winner.  He has the "it" factor.  So Winston throws for 400 yards, some TD's, plus some INT's and his team loses almost every week.  And if you look at the weekly stats teams passing for the most yards are losers most weeks.

 

This is what I pointed out in another thread where a certain poster keeps clamoring for a 300 yard game from Allen. I pointed out how Winston has had ten games with over 300 yards passing and three with over 400 yards... and he'll be watching the playoffs from his couch. 

 

It ain't always pretty but it doesn't matter, a win is a win. The identity of this team is that they're going to grind it out, they're going to outwork the opponent and win as a team.

Edited December 19, 2019 by blacklabel

[Chandler#81]

Screw these hacks, here’s a real sports reporter relaying the challenges facing Josh while he works hard to improve his own skills. 9 new players from his rookie season and 10 wins & counting. Mike Tirico.

 

[kbarrettb]

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

You lost me right there.

He’s had Gronk and what really good receivers? One time he had randy moss. He throws to Edelman and Wes welker amendola. These aren’t number 1 guys. They’re number 3 slot guys. 

Edited December 19, 2019 by kbarrettb

[Pokebball]

3 hours ago, westside2 said:

Who's the big mouth white guy? Jamis Winston? Please!!!! GTFOOH!!!!

He's a Miami guy.  He's got the wrong Josh.  Cut him some slack  

[JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS]

1 minute ago, kbarrettb said:

Completion percentage means more. And lately he hasn’t completed nearly enough passes. They are winning sure but not because of Allen. Tre took back an interception to the what 17 yard line and we got 3 points. That’s not going to win you a game in the playoffs. 

Not really.  How many balls has Josh thrown away to avoid a sack?  How many thrown away because the chance of INT too high?  These are decisions he should be praised for, because last year he played "hero ball" and got blasted.  Not to mention the high number of catchable drops by our undersized WRs.  

 

No, the metric that matters -  besides win-loss - is total TD v. INT.  Scoring well in that metric wins games, and championships.  Josh is rocking it right now.

 

[kbarrettb]

2 minutes ago, JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS said:

Not really.  How many balls has Josh thrown away to avoid a sack?  How many thrown away because the chance of INT too high?  These are decisions he should be praised for, because last year he played "hero ball" and got blasted.  Not to mention the high number of catchable drops by our undersized WRs.  

 

No, the metric that matters -  besides win-loss - is total TD v. INT.  Scoring well in that metric wins games, and championships.  Josh is rocking it right now.

 

Totally rocking it. we are 28th in the league in passing yards a game. And 22nd in points scored. ? not good enough. 

[H2o]

39 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

I called Bomani out on twitter last year for his BS and he blocked me.  He's a *****

 He blocked you for calling him out. 

 

Bomani

[billsfan1959]

12 minutes ago, kbarrettb said:

Completion percentage means more. And lately he hasn’t completed nearly enough passes. They are winning sure but not because of Allen. Tre took back an interception to the what 17 yard line and we got 3 points. That’s not going to win you a game in the playoffs. 

 

If you are going to complain about Allen's passing, shouldn't you use an example where he actually threw a pass? They ran six plays after Tre's interception - all runs (although Gore was looking to pass). Allen kept the ball once, where he ran for a first down on 3rd and 2.

 

Do you even watch the games?

[kbarrettb]

3 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

If you are going to complain about Allen's passing, shouldn't you use an example where he actually threw a pass? They ran six plays after Tre's interception - all runs (although Gore was looking to pass). Allen kept the ball once, where he ran for a first down on 3rd and 2.

 

Do you even watch the games?

Wonder why they didn’t pass. Hint has to do with who’s at qb. He has to be better. 

Edited December 19, 2019 by kbarrettb

[billsfan1959]

12 minutes ago, kbarrettb said:

Because at the end of the day it is on the quarterback. He has to know who he’s throwing to. Brady has thrown to nothing basically his entire career. Wentz has no one to throw to. Jimmy G before sanders got there had nothing to throw to except the tight end. Josh isn’t the only one with weird receivers to throw to. He’s just got to be better and a quicker decision maker. 

 

 

[oldmanfan]

Just now, kbarrettb said:

Totally rocking it. we are 28th in the league in passing yards a game. And 22nd in points scored. ? not good enough. 

Defense wins championships.  Always has, always will.  Having a QB that is clutch in the fourth quarter also helps.  We have one of those.

 

Honest to God, the attitude of some around here is nuts.  Allen is a work in progress.  Every single Bills fan on the planet knows he has areas to improve, but some act like he what he is, and can't get better.  Completely absurd.   And if we had the offense some want us to have, then people would complain that the defense doesn't hold up its end.

 

We have people on this board bashing Allen and the offense because they haven't thrown for 300 yards; one person in particular has specifically stated he' wants 300 yards because that to him is more entertaining than inning the way we're winning.  Completely absurd yet again.  we have a guy who would have traded an entire draft for Jameis Winston, who has stated he generally only comes on the board after losses so he can criticize, bashing Allen by just cherry piking stats.  again completely absurd.

 

This team is put together to win with a strong D, an offense including the QB that can run, and a young QB that can make clutch plays in the fourth.  As Allen develops and learns more about reading defenses pre-snap and such, undoubtedly the offense will change.  But right now, he has way more TDs than INT's, the team's record is 10-4, they are in the playoffs, and any team in the AFC right now if you ask will see them as a dangerous foe coming up.  Because professional football teams know that when you have a defense like we have, you are in position to win every time you take the field.

 

How about focusing on that instead of dreaming up yet more ways to bash the team and its QB?

[kbarrettb]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

Defense wins championships.  Always has, always will.  Having a QB that is clutch in the fourth quarter also helps.  We have one of those.

 

Honest to God, the attitude of some around here is nuts.  Allen is a work in progress.  Every single Bills fan on the planet knows he has areas to improve, but some act like he what he is, and can't get better.  Completely absurd.   And if we had the offense some want us to have, then people would complain that the defense doesn't hold up its end.

 

We have people on this board bashing Allen and the offense because they haven't thrown for 300 yards; one person in particular has specifically stated he' wants 300 yards because that to him is more entertaining than inning the way we're winning.  Completely absurd yet again.  we have a guy who would have traded an entire draft for Jameis Winston, who has stated he generally only comes on the board after losses so he can criticize, bashing Allen by just cherry piking stats.  again completely absurd.

 

This team is put together to win with a strong D, an offense including the QB that can run, and a young QB that can make clutch plays in the fourth.  As Allen develops and learns more about reading defenses pre-snap and such, undoubtedly the offense will change.  But right now, he has way more TDs than INT's, the team's record is 10-4, they are in the playoffs, and any team in the AFC right now if you ask will see them as a dangerous foe coming up.  Because professional football teams know that when you have a defense like we have, you are in position to win every time you take the field.

 

How about focusing on that instead of dreaming up yet more ways to bash the team and its QB?

It’s not about he can get better it’s about we are a playoff team and he must be better now. And 28th in the league in passing is garbage.