Week 16 - Bills @ Patriots*** Line Bills (+7) [lets kick some ​​​​​​​​​​​​​​***]

[thebandit27]

I'm getting Bocce pizza for this game.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

You're not going to stop the wheel. You're going to break the wheel!

 

 

 

 

 

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

https://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/304409/playoff-bound-bills-showing-the-grit-and-formula-to-win-in-playoffs

 

Playoff-bound Bills showing the grit and formula to win in January

 

ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. -- The Buffalo Bills clinched their second playoff berth of this millennium and fourth 10-win season in the past 20 years by winning in playoff atmospheres.

The Week 15 win-and-you're-in road test against the Pittsburgh Steelers (8-6) had all the fixings of a postseason matchup and was the Bills' second nationally televised game in three weeks. They passed the test and hope it's a preview of what's to come.

 

"This is what playoff football is about -- which defense is going to break," Bills defensive tackle Jordan Phillips said after the 17-10 win against the Steelers.

 

Buffalo's defense ranks No. 3 behind those of the Patriots and 49ers in yards allowed per game (291.9) and No. 2 behind the Patriots' in points allowed (15.9) heading into Saturday's matchup. New England owns the tiebreaker with Buffalo based on their records against common opponents, so the Patriots can capture their 11th straight AFC East title by winning Saturday or in Week 17 at home against Miami (3-11).

 

Bills coach Sean McDermott, in his third year with the team, said he hopes there is a new standard in place for the franchise -- a standard that begins by not dwelling on any achievement.

 

cont'd 

[whatdrought]

Is this a game we “could win” or a game we “should win”?

[thebandit27]

1 minute ago, whatdrought said:

Is this a game we “could win” or a game we “should win”?

 

Yes

[Dan]

21 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

Is this a game we “could win” or a game we “should win”?

I think its the most important game of the year!  Our whole season depends on it.    If we don't win then we haven't done anything but prove we're the same old Bills.

 

 

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

41 minutes ago, Dan said:

I think its the most important game of the year!  Our whole season depends on it.    If we don't win then we haven't done anything but prove we're the same old Bills.

 

 

 

 

my sarcasm meter is pinging left and right ... 

 

It's important to

1. get the damn monkey off of their backs (at least in the regular season)
2. make them need to play their starters next week 

 

[Dan]

1 minute ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

 

my sarcasm meter is pinging left and right ... 

 

It's important to

1. get the damn monkey off of their backs (at least in the regular season)
2. make them need to play their starters next week 

 

Yeah... Your sarcasm meter should be breaking.  I agree the game is important for a number of reasons.   

 

But it seems every week (although I haven't seen it this week), some one chimes in.... This is the most important game of the season!  That started in week one.   So i was just having some fun and making sure we all see it again.

[njbuff]

In the grand scheme of things.................

 

this game really doesn't mean much at all because we all know the Bills are basically stuck in the number 5 position.

 

But, WE ALL KNOW, you, me, the players, the coaches, everyone ever associated with the Bills ARE TIRED of losing to the Patriots.

 

This obviously the best Bills team that Brady and BB have ever seen, but they still beat the Bills in week four, thanks MAINLY to a blocked punt and Allen being a dope for 2+ quarters.

 

For all that I just mentioned, this game is critically important, even though it has ZERO AFFECT in the standings.

[Forward Progress]

39 minutes ago, Dan said:

I think its the most important game of the year!  Our whole season depends on it.    If we don't win then we haven't done anything but prove we're the same old Bills.

 

 

 

 

I know there's a layer of sarcasm in your comments, but I've been completely irrational this year feeling like every week of the season is the most important game of the year.  I know that I felt it Week 1 against the Jets, Week 5 against the Titans, on Thanksgiving in Dallas and this week in Pittsburgh.

 

It's fun watching meaningful football again after what feels like 20 years of exhibition games.  

 

We are likely locked into the number 5 seed, so our playoff spot isn't moving unless we beat the Pats* and get some help from Fitzmagic.  I would much rather lose this game and outlast the Patriots* in the playoffs than the other way around.  However, we are all ready to knock off the Patriots and own the AFC East.  To walk into the Razor and walk out with a hard-fought W puts an exclamation point on the statement that the Bills are for real.  

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Dan]

2 minutes ago, Forward Progress said:

 

I know there's a layer of sarcasm in your comments, but I've been completely irrational this year feeling like every week of the season is the most important game of the year.  I know that I felt it Week 1 against the Jets, Week 5 against the Titans, on Thanksgiving in Dallas and this week in Pittsburgh.

 

It's fun watching meaningful football again after what feels like 20 years of exhibition games.  

 

We are likely locked into the number 5 seed, so our playoff spot isn't moving unless we beat the Pats* and get some help from Fitzmagic.  I would much rather lose this game and outlast the Patriots* in the playoffs than the other way around.  However, we are all ready to knock off the Patriots and own the AFC East.  To walk into the Razor and walk out with a hard-fought W puts an exclamation point on the statement that the Bills are for real.  

I absolutely agree with you.   My only, albiet sarcastic, point is that people always say ..this is the most important game.  But the reality is they're..all..important.    And to the posters comment that I repsonded to... I think its a game we could win.  Not that we should, but could.  And hopefully will.  If this season has done anything.. Its proven to me that the Bills can play with and beat any team... Even the team in foxboro.   That.. Is a tremendous feat considering the past decades.

 

Yes, beating the snot out of this sniveling bunch of panszies would be awesome on so many levels.   I want nothing more this weekend than to see that.  

[whatdrought]

11 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

Week 16... We have 6 depth players on IR, and 2 backup players on our Injury report... I know luck is part of it, but there's definitely more to it than that. Those facilities, and the medical training staff are playing a role. This out to be highlight #1 on our FA tour list.

 

 

 

 

Also, anyone else getting the sinking feeling of there being too much hype? Or is that my BBFS?

Edited December 19, 2019 by whatdrought

[cd1]

18 minutes ago, Dan said:

Yeah... Your sarcasm meter should be breaking.  I agree the game is important for a number of reasons.   

 

But it seems every week (although I haven't seen it this week), some one chimes in.... This is the most important game of the season!  That started in week one.   So i was just having some fun and making sure we all see it again.

 

Yes, and they were ALWAYS RIGHT!

[Greg S]

24 minutes ago, njbuff said:

In the grand scheme of things.................

 

this game really doesn't mean much at all because we all know the Bills are basically stuck in the number 5 position.

 

But, WE ALL KNOW, you, me, the players, the coaches, everyone ever associated with the Bills ARE TIRED of losing to the Patriots.

 

This obviously the best Bills team that Brady and BB have ever seen, but they still beat the Bills in week four, thanks MAINLY to a blocked punt and Allen being a dope for 2+ quarters.

 

For all that I just mentioned, this game is critically important, even though it has ZERO AFFECT in the standings.

 

It would be fun to see the Bills and Pats tied at 11-4 going into week 17. Put pressure on them to beat the fish. Who knows maybe the Dolphins pull off an upset but I do expect the Bills to play on WC weekend against the Texans most likely.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

41 minutes ago, Dan said:

Yeah... Your sarcasm meter should be breaking.  I agree the game is important for a number of reasons.   

 

But it seems every week (although I haven't seen it this week), some one chimes in.... This is the most important game of the season!  That started in week one.   So i was just having some fun and making sure we all see it again.

 

I think the clinch put an end to the most important game of the season talk for now.  

 

And I get the Until they beat the Pats**** crap.  Git R Dun Buffalo!!!!!

 

 

 

 

 

[Fan in Chicago]

31 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

Week 16... We have 6 depth players on IR, and 2 backup players on our Injury report... I know luck is part of it, but there's definitely more to it than that. Those facilities, and the medical training staff are playing a role. This out to be highlight #1 on our FA tour list.

 

 

 

 

Also, anyone else getting the sinking feeling of there being too much hype? Or is that my BBFS?

The hype is real

I have been getting texts from non-Bills fans . One of them, a Packers fan, wrote that he is very interested in the game and that 49 states will be rooting for the Bills. 

[whatdrought]

10 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

The hype is real

I have been getting texts from non-Bills fans . One of them, a Packers fan, wrote that he is very interested in the game and that 49 states will be rooting for the Bills. 

 

I get that, I just worry that the more that tell us we can beat them, the less likely we are to... thats BBFS, right?

[ColoradoBills]

13 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

The hype is real

I have been getting texts from non-Bills fans . One of them, a Packers fan, wrote that he is very interested in the game and that 49 states will be rooting for the Bills. 

 

same here.

[thebandit27]

56 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

Week 16... We have 6 depth players on IR, and 2 backup players on our Injury report... I know luck is part of it, but there's definitely more to it than that. Those facilities, and the medical training staff are playing a role. This out to be highlight #1 on our FA tour list.

 

 

 

 

Also, anyone else getting the sinking feeling of there being too much hype? Or is that my BBFS?

 

Yep. The facilities are world class, and will be a HUGE selling point...moreover, it'll be a great indicator to the organization of whether or not players place a premium on taking care of their bodies.

[Fan in Chicago]

28 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

I get that, I just worry that the more that tell us we can beat them, the less likely we are to... thats BBFS, right?

Most definitely one of the symptoms, yes

[nucci]

1 hour ago, whatdrought said:

 

Week 16... We have 6 depth players on IR, and 2 backup players on our Injury report... I know luck is part of it, but there's definitely more to it than that. Those facilities, and the medical training staff are playing a role. This out to be highlight #1 on our FA tour list.

 

 

 

 

Also, anyone else getting the sinking feeling of there being too much hype? Or is that my BBFS?

it's your BBFS...the hype and excitement is a good thing

[colin]

I like Mike Torrico, he's clear, enthusiastic, and seems to enjoy the game.

 

who was the guy who had all the great stevie johson/fitz games, gus johnson?  i liked him too.

[Peace Frog]

We need to win this game for one simple reason: winning is a good habit to get into when headed to the playoffs.

[dakrider]

I look for the Pats to completely sell out in rushing Josh Allen.  Bills better be prepared for the blitz all game long and Allen better not stand in pocket and ignore his blind side or he's going to get smashed.  This game will be decided on Bills first 2 plays.  If they run on first and second down and don't get more than 5 yards total, then Daboll is just strutting out his regular old conservative game plan that NE already knows and its just going to put the Bills in 3rd and long all day.  

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

1 hour ago, whatdrought said:

 

I get that, I just worry that the more that tell us we can beat them, the less likely we are to... thats BBFS, right?

that's why their playing the game and you're not. I'm confident they haven't a doubt in their mind.

 

myself personally, I feel like I did last week.

 

 

they win this game!

Edited December 19, 2019 by DaBillsFanSince1973

[John from Riverside]

Just gotta limit the turnovers

[thebandit27]

3 minutes ago, dakrider said:

I look for the Pats to completely sell out in rushing Josh Allen.  Bills better be prepared for the blitz all game long and Allen better not stand in pocket and ignore his blind side or he's going to get smashed.  This game will be decided on Bills first 2 plays.  If they run on first and second down and don't get more than 5 yards total, then Daboll is just strutting out his regular old conservative game plan that NE already knows and its just going to put the Bills in 3rd and long all day.  

 

I would come out swinging; literally. Throw swing passes to RBs until they stop you...and I think they'll struggle to do so without going to a Cover-2 zone. And that's when you hit them with the chunk throws to the boundary and the TE seams.

[PaattMaann]

17 minutes ago, dakrider said:

I look for the Pats to completely sell out in rushing Josh Allen.  Bills better be prepared for the blitz all game long and Allen better not stand in pocket and ignore his blind side or he's going to get smashed.  This game will be decided on Bills first 2 plays.  If they run on first and second down and don't get more than 5 yards total, then Daboll is just strutting out his regular old conservative game plan that NE already knows and its just going to put the Bills in 3rd and long all day.  

 

lol, this was good. Thanks for that. 

[whatdrought]

17 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

that's why their playing the game and you're not. I'm confident they haven't a doubt in their mind.

 

myself personally, I feel like I did last week.

 

 

they win this game!

 

They asked me to play, but I had a scheduling conflict... 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

14 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

They asked me to play, but I had a scheduling conflict... 

I wasn't trying to diss you man. we as fans can rack our nerves on how we think they lose or win but it is they that go out there and make it happen.

Edited December 19, 2019 by DaBillsFanSince1973

[BuffaloHokie13]

2 hours ago, whatdrought said:

 

Also, anyone else getting the sinking feeling of there being too much hype? Or is that my BBFS?

Honestly, it's a similar feeling for me to 2007. Pats* were undefeated, but a bunch of people started picking the Giants to win for some reason(and they did). I'm ready. Let's turn this division on it's head! 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Scott7975]

From MSN...

 

Bills vs. Patriots: Can Josh Allen outplay Tom Brady?

The New England Patriots are suddenly vulnerable due to Tom Brady and the offense, which has been rather lackluster in 2019. The Bills could have beaten New England earlier this season due to their defense holding the Pats to just 16 points. However, in that game second-year quarterback Josh Allen had his worst outing of the season, completing well under half his passes while throwing three interceptions.

If Allen can continue the strong play he’s put on tape in recent weeks and avoids those big mistakes, the Bills can absolutely win Saturday in Foxborough.

[BritBill]

7 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

What'll you be sippin' on?

 

 

Not sure yet! The pub we’re playing poker in is a Sports bar. Think it’s a treehouse so not tied to a particular brewery. I’ll have to see what’s available.

 

The good news is the pub over the road to it is our old local Sam’s and has just reopened after refurbishment. I’ll call in there before poker to see who’s about and grab a Sam’s lager.

[whatdrought]

48 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

I wasn't trying to diss you man. we as fans can rack our nerves on how we think they lose or win but it is they that go out there and make it happen.

 

Oh no, I was totally joking. lol I didn't take it as a diss at all. 

[WotAGuy]

3 hours ago, njbuff said:

For all that I just mentioned, this game is critically important, even though it has ZERO AFFECT in the standings.

Affect???

 

paging Gugny.....

[Hapless Bills Fan]

49 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

From MSN...

Bills vs. Patriots: Can Josh Allen outplay Tom Brady?

The New England Patriots are suddenly vulnerable due to Tom Brady and the offense, which has been rather lackluster in 2019. The Bills could have beaten New England earlier this season due to their defense holding the Pats to just 16 points. However, in that game second-year quarterback Josh Allen had his worst outing of the season, completing well under half his passes while throwing three interceptions.

If Allen can continue the strong play he’s put on tape in recent weeks and avoids those big mistakes, the Bills can absolutely win Saturday in Foxborough.

 

I know you're just the messenger but this stuff drives me nutz.....Josh Allen does not have to outplay Tom Brady.  He has to outplay the Patriots  #1 defense.

 

Tom Brady does not have to outplay Josh Allen.  Tom Brady has to outplay the Bills #2 defense.

 

Chris Brown points out:

 

 

Not captured above is that Tom Brady has thrown ~120 more passes than Josh Allen, so the same # of drops represent a higher %

 

[whatdrought]

It just feels like If allen can throw for 230 and produce a positive TD/TO ratio, this game should be ours... And that feeling scares me badly. 

[Logic]

47 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

It just feels like If allen can throw for 230 and produce a positive TD/TO ratio, this game should be ours... And that feeling scares me badly. 

The thing for me is this: The likelihood of the Bills winning the division seems small any way. It would require not only the Bills winning out, but the Pats to lose to the Dolphins. 

As such, and given that the Bills have already clinched the 5th seed...in my mind, they're pretty much playing with house money. 

If they win, awesome! We beat the Pats in their house in the first time in forever and we have a remote chance of winning the AFC East. 

If they lose, not really a big deal, they still get the playoff seed they were most likely to end up with ANYWAY, and they lose yet another game to the Evil Empire.

Don't get me wrong: I have a strong feeling this is the last Brady-led Pats team the Bills will ever face, barring a playoff rematch. I badly want to see the Bills win. But honestly, if they don't, it doesn't really mean much in the grand scheme of things, UNLESS you feel pretty confident that the Phins will be beating the Pats in week 17.