PolishDave Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 On 12/8/2019 at 5:52 PM, JerseyBills said: Still feel he's going to flame out within 3 years. He is awful at reading field, going through progressions. One read QB that also has play action as his crutch. Agreed. If his legs fail him in a few years, his arm and pocket passing ability likely won't save his career. My spidey senses tell me he will likely be a backup somewhere 5 years from now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 12 hours ago, Rob's House said: I still don't get it. If he'd just knocked off the Pats, or any other team for that matter, it would make a bit more sense. Bills fans on a Bills board getting hot for the QB that just beat us is weird to me. You "still don't get it" because you refuse to even try ... or you live under a rock and only come out to watch the Bills play so you are totally ignorant of what's going on in the rest of the NFL. Denying that Lamar Jackson is a great player and that the Baltimore Ravens are among the very best teams in the NFL isn't going to make Josh Allen and the Bills better. FYI, since week 4, the Ravens haven't lost a game and won 9 straight games, including wins over the 8-5 Steelers, 10-3 Seahawks, 1.20-3 Patriots, 8-5 Texans, 8-5 Rams, 11-2 Niners, and 9-4 Bills -- seven teams with winning records, six of which are currently in playoff slots. Jackson has been instrumental in all those wins, some of which were major blowouts of their opponents. FTR, Jackson is a better QB than Allen. Jackson's passing stats are significantly better than Allen's: 66.3% completions, 28 passing TDs, 6 INTs, 2677 yards, 109.2 passer rating versus 59.8% completions, 17 passing TDs, 8 INTs, 2737 yards, 85.8 passer rating. Jackson has rushed for 1017 yards. 6.7 AVG, and 7 TDs -- good for 9th most rushing yards -- while Allen has rushed for 439 yards, 4.6 AVG, and 8 TDs. If you can't appreciate the special talent that great young QBs like Lamar Jackson or Patrick Mahomes or Deshaun Watson bring to the game, then you aren't a football fan. You're simply a jealous Bills fan who has to tear down other players to pretend that the Bills lesser talents are "just as good". 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 13 hours ago, Rob's House said: I still don't get it. If he'd just knocked off the Pats, or any other team for that matter, it would make a bit more sense. Bills fans on a Bills board getting hot for the QB that just beat us is weird to me. You need to look at the history of those posters. Just sayin' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 50 minutes ago, PolishDave said: Agreed. If his legs fail him in a few years, his arm and pocket passing ability likely won't save his career. My spidey senses tell me he will likely be a backup somewhere 5 years from now. This is the same thing some savants said about Russell Wilson back in 2012 and 2013. More importantly, Jackson is already a significantly better passing QB than Josh Allen, so if Jackson's doomed to be a backup if he can't run where does that leave Allen whether he can run or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeSmashPeons Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 7 hours ago, PolishDave said: Agreed. If his legs fail him in a few years, his arm and pocket passing ability likely won't save his career. My spidey senses tell me he will likely be a backup somewhere 5 years from now. interestingly enough I think Josh Allen will be a STAR..............in the XFL as running back because he is terrible playing the QB position. 22 hours ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: with the help of the refs not calling 12 men in the huddle say what you will. That non call backs up the Ravens and could have kept them from scoring a TD. yeah that wasn't half as bad as the gifted 50 yards or so the refs gave the bills on that final drive but feel free to console yourself with wishful thinking if it helps you sleep better at night. 7 hours ago, SoTier said: This is the same thing some savants said about Russell Wilson back in 2012 and 2013. More importantly, Jackson is already a significantly better passing QB than Josh Allen, so if Jackson's doomed to be a backup if he can't run where does that leave Allen whether he can run or not? good point. I think the Difference between the two if you look at their track records, Lamar put up big numbers in college against top competition while Josh Allen played practically low level competition. Also Lamar played in a pro style offense in college which has clearly helped his learning curve in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeSmashPeons Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 7 hours ago, SoTier said: You "still don't get it" because you refuse to even try ... or you live under a rock and only come out to watch the Bills play so you are totally ignorant of what's going on in the rest of the NFL. Denying that Lamar Jackson is a great player and that the Baltimore Ravens are among the very best teams in the NFL isn't going to make Josh Allen and the Bills better. FYI, since week 4, the Ravens haven't lost a game and won 9 straight games, including wins over the 8-5 Steelers, 10-3 Seahawks, 1.20-3 Patriots, 8-5 Texans, 8-5 Rams, 11-2 Niners, and 9-4 Bills -- seven teams with winning records, six of which are currently in playoff slots. Jackson has been instrumental in all those wins, some of which were major blowouts of their opponents. FTR, Jackson is a better QB than Allen. Jackson's passing stats are significantly better than Allen's: 66.3% completions, 28 passing TDs, 6 INTs, 2677 yards, 109.2 passer rating versus 59.8% completions, 17 passing TDs, 8 INTs, 2737 yards, 85.8 passer rating. Jackson has rushed for 1017 yards. 6.7 AVG, and 7 TDs -- good for 9th most rushing yards -- while Allen has rushed for 439 yards, 4.6 AVG, and 8 TDs. If you can't appreciate the special talent that great young QBs like Lamar Jackson or Patrick Mahomes or Deshaun Watson bring to the game, then you aren't a football fan. You're simply a jealous Bills fan who has to tear down other players to pretend that the Bills lesser talents are "just as good". Very well said and 100% accurate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 23 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Yeah maybe. Or maybe it wouldn't have to come down to too many men in a huddle not called.... 23 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Poyer roasted again... it was costly but he had 1 missed assignment. Another John Wawrow writeup https://wben.radio.com/articles/ap-news/buffalo-bills-gain-respect-despite-loss-to-ravens The Bills no longer resemble the inept franchise with a revolving door of coaches, general managers and quarterbacks that muddled through a 17-year playoff drought before coach Sean McDermott and general manager Brandon Beane’s arrival in 2017. Just as important, Buffalo is also showing it’s better than the team that spent the first half of the season padding its record because of a soft schedule. What stood out in the loss to the AFC-leading Ravens was how the Bills didn’t look out of place in a game not decided until Josh Allen’s pass to John Brown on fourth down was broken up at the goal line with 63 seconds left. While the offense had difficulty handling the blitz-happy Ravens, Buffalo’s defense drew praise for limiting the dynamic Lamar Jackson-led attack to a season-low 257 yards and forcing seven punts from a team that had punted just 24 times in its first 12 games. this close | | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, SoTier said: This is the same thing some savants said about Russell Wilson back in 2012 and 2013. More importantly, Jackson is already a significantly better passing QB than Josh Allen, so if Jackson's doomed to be a backup if he can't run where does that leave Allen whether he can run or not? You might be right about Lamar being the next Russel Wilson. Time will tell. I just don't think Lamar is anywhere near the quality of a passer that Wilson is. And I don't think he ever will be. To me Lamar seems like an elite running quarterback with mediocre passing abilities. Those exceptional running capabilities are what allow him to be in positions to pass the ball more effectively right now. I think that opponents will learn to contain him and limit his running ability. In addition to that I think that the extra abuse his body will take from running the ball too often will add up. Eventually his coaches will try to make him a pocket passer - just like the coaches here did with Tyrod. When that happens, I suspect the NFL will see a rapid decline in opinion about how good of a quarterback Lamar Jackson is. But I could be wrong. It's just an opinion. P.S. What does Allen have to do with whether or not Lamar Jackson is going to be a great quarterback? Edited December 11, 2019 by PolishDave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 On 12/9/2019 at 10:04 AM, ILBillsfan said: Well it want a bomb it was a fifteen yard pass blown coverages assignment. The book is still there you make him throw outside the hash marks and not to the middle. Nice way to over paint that play So if the book was out, how did the bills give up 180 yards of offense and 3 TD? This is the same defense that shut down Brady and Dak. Lamar will lead the league in passing TDs and people will still sit on their asses at home telling the world they know exactly how to stop him. It's a joke. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Jackson is doing it in a non traditional way Maybe the future of the nfl is going to be option style football, He's on a higher level but others have played in similar fashion and they didnt sustain it so time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) On 12/8/2019 at 3:50 PM, GunnerBill said: Agree. He can beat you from the pocket when the RPO and the traditional play action is working. But when you get him into obvious passing 3rd and longs and make him play dropback Quarterback... Getting that offense into third and long is the key to stopping them. You could say that about any offense, but it's especially true in their case. The Bills did well on 1st and 2nd down and the run D was solid overall. It's easier said than done because of that RPO and the scheme Roman has created. They haven't found themselves in 3rd and long situations very often, so they're pretty good at avoiding them. Bills defense did a good job, but the notion that LJ has been "figured out" is ludicrous. Edited December 11, 2019 by LSHMEAB 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 7 hours ago, LSHMEAB said: Getting that offense into third and long is the key to stopping them. You could say that about any offense, but it's especially true in their case. The Bills did well on 1st and 2nd down and the run D was solid overall. It's easier said than done because of that RPO and the scheme Roman has created. They haven't found themselves in 3rd and long situations very often, so they're pretty good at avoiding them. Bills defense did a good job, but the notion that LJ has been "figured out" is ludicrous. I think figured out in the sense there is a way to slow him. Nobody has yet found a way to stop him. The Bills did a good job - get them into third and long, stack the middle of the field and make Lamar play traditional drop back and throw to the outside more. It was a good plan. Well executed save for one communication breakdown between our two most reliable guys. We held Baltimore to season lows in a number of offensive categories. And yet Lamar threw 3 touchdowns and the Ravens won the game. In order to have truly figured a team out you have to stop that. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I think figured out in the sense there is a way to slow him. Nobody has yet found a way to stop him. The Bills did a good job - get them into third and long, stack the middle of the field and make Lamar play traditional drop back and throw to the outside more. It was a good plan. Well executed save for one communication breakdown between our two most reliable guys. We held Baltimore to season lows in a number of offensive categories. And yet Lamar threw 3 touchdowns and the Ravens won the game. In order to have truly figured a team out you have to stop that. No QB is unstoppable. Not the good ones and even the bad ones on occasion. IMO (observations) In many NFL games there is always that ONE big play that is made. Sometimes it gets points and some times it doesn't. Unfortunately that one cost the Bills 7 points. Lamar Jackson says he's noticed defenses going for his legs '9 times out of 10' in the pocket https://sports.yahoo.com/lamar-jackson-ravens-defenses-hits-gregg-williams-000843783.html As Lamar Jackson and the Baltimore Ravens continue to rip through the league’s defenses, you can imagine defenses are just going to respond by just trying to hit harder. And possibly lower, if what the quarterback has noticed is true. Limited in practice with a quad injury for the second straight day on Tuesday, Jackson confirmed he will play in the Ravens’ Thursday Night Football game against the New York Jets. When asked if opponents had been hitting him lower in the last two games, he had some interesting things to say. “Yeah, they have, a lot more and especially when I’m inside the pocket and stuff like that,” Jackson said. “When I’m out on the edge, I kinda avoid it all the time. When I’m in the pocket trying to complete a throw, that’s when 9 times out of 10 they go for my legs. I can’t do anything about, I’m trying to complete that pass. It is what it is.” Cry us a river Don't move so fast Lamar and they can hit you high!!!! That is one hell of a pocket there ^ (insert Red Forman's catch phrase) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Ravens film study: After a limited ground game vs. Bills, linemen have good reason to be upset with officiating https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bs-sp-ravens-bills-film-study-20191211-vvencm6xujfn3nrm6ftrkjvs6e-story.html The Ravens offense opened Sunday’s game against the Buffalo Bills with a 3-yard carry up the gut by running back Mark Ingram II, an unmemorable play in an unmemorable day for the team’s top-ranked ground game. In the aftermath of the Ravens’ 24-17 win at New Era Field, their ninth straight overall and a playoff berth-clinching result, the run mattered less than cornerback Marcus Peters’ decisive fourth-quarter deflection or any of the defense’s six sacks or tight end Hayden Hurst’s 61-yard catch-and-run score. But the play did serve in part to explain the Ravens’ ground-game struggles. In one short-lived inside rush, there was a missed opportunity out wide, solid execution by the Bills and a noncall along the offensive line. It’s not fair to say that, in holding quarterback Lamar Jackson and the Ravens to a season-low 118 yards on 3.6 yards per carry, Buffalo solved the Ravens’ rushing attack. With Jackson’s rushing threat, the Ravens, more often than not, will always have a numerical advantage at the line of scrimmage. But the offense can and should grow from a day in which it finished with as many rushing first downs (six) as three-and-outs. The Ravens will need Jackson and offensive coordinator Greg Roman to make wiser in-game decisions. They’ll need to figure out countermeasures against defenses as consistent as the Bills and San Francisco 49ers. Maybe most importantly, they’ll need officials to learn from previous mistakes Cry us a river part two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick 'r Mortis Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 23 hours ago, SoTier said: You "still don't get it" because you refuse to even try ... or you live under a rock and only come out to watch the Bills play so you are totally ignorant of what's going on in the rest of the NFL. Denying that Lamar Jackson is a great player and that the Baltimore Ravens are among the very best teams in the NFL isn't going to make Josh Allen and the Bills better. FYI, since week 4, the Ravens haven't lost a game and won 9 straight games, including wins over the 8-5 Steelers, 10-3 Seahawks, 1.20-3 Patriots, 8-5 Texans, 8-5 Rams, 11-2 Niners, and 9-4 Bills -- seven teams with winning records, six of which are currently in playoff slots. Jackson has been instrumental in all those wins, some of which were major blowouts of their opponents. FTR, Jackson is a better QB than Allen. Jackson's passing stats are significantly better than Allen's: 66.3% completions, 28 passing TDs, 6 INTs, 2677 yards, 109.2 passer rating versus 59.8% completions, 17 passing TDs, 8 INTs, 2737 yards, 85.8 passer rating. Jackson has rushed for 1017 yards. 6.7 AVG, and 7 TDs -- good for 9th most rushing yards -- while Allen has rushed for 439 yards, 4.6 AVG, and 8 TDs. If you can't appreciate the special talent that great young QBs like Lamar Jackson or Patrick Mahomes or Deshaun Watson bring to the game, then you aren't a football fan. You're simply a jealous Bills fan who has to tear down other players to pretend that the Bills lesser talents are "just as good". Spot on. 100%. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 17 hours ago, WeSmashPeons said: Good point. I think the Difference between the two if you look at their track records, Lamar put up big numbers in college against top competition while Josh Allen played practically low level competition. Also Lamar played in a pro style offense in college which has clearly helped his learning curve in the NFL. I think that Josh Allen can certainly be a successful NFL QB, perhaps even a QB who leads the Bills to one or more Super Bowls. I simply don't think he's as talented as Lamar who is a very special talent. That's not a knock on Allen, it's just a recognition of how good Jackson is. 14 hours ago, PolishDave said: You might be right about Lamar being the next Russel Wilson. Time will tell. I just don't think Lamar is anywhere near the quality of a passer that Wilson is. And I don't think he ever will be. To me Lamar seems like an elite running quarterback with mediocre passing abilities. Those exceptional running capabilities are what allow him to be in positions to pass the ball more effectively right now. I think that opponents will learn to contain him and limit his running ability. In addition to that I think that the extra abuse his body will take from running the ball too often will add up. Eventually his coaches will try to make him a pocket passer - just like the coaches here did with Tyrod. When that happens, I suspect the NFL will see a rapid decline in opinion about how good of a quarterback Lamar Jackson is. But I could be wrong. It's just an opinion. P.S. What does Allen have to do with whether or not Lamar Jackson is going to be a great quarterback? I was simply pointing out that many Bills fans are using a double standard when predicting the futures of both Jackson and Allen. Except for yards, Jackson has significantly better passing stats than Allen, yet Bills fans keep touting Allen as a future franchise QB while claiming that Jackson is only a mediocre passer despite his having a QB rating of 109.2 over 13 games while Allen's QB rating is 85.8 over that same number of games. The only regular starting QBs with better QB ratings than Jackson are Ryan Tannehill, Kirk Cousins, and Drew Brees plus rookie Drew Lock who has had only 3 starts. Jackson's 7.7 yards per attempt puts him ahead of future HOF QBs Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers, and is within the usual YPA expected of top passers (8.5-7.5 ypa). I think Jackson is much more than a mediocre passer at this point in his career, and probably has a much higher ceiling than any of his critics think. OTOH Allen has very statistically mediocre passing stats, although that doesn't mean that he's doomed. He started far behind the other QBs in his draft class because he suffered from poor coaching in college, and the Bills didn't help him much as a rookie by not providing him with a competent, experienced QB coach or an NFL caliber OL and receiving corps last season. His improvement since last season has been spectacular, and he's continued to improve throughout this season, especially when it comes to his decision making. I think Allen still has a lot of untapped potential that the Bills can help him realize by providing him with upgrades to the OL, RBs, and receivers (both WRs and TEs). Allen really needs a big, fast sure-handed receiver as well as more commitment by the OC to the running game (which means that the Bills NEED better RBs than Gore and Yeldon). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeSmashPeons Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 13 hours ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: Ravens film study: After a limited ground game vs. Bills, linemen have good reason to be upset with officiating https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bs-sp-ravens-bills-film-study-20191211-vvencm6xujfn3nrm6ftrkjvs6e-story.html The Ravens offense opened Sunday’s game against the Buffalo Bills with a 3-yard carry up the gut by running back Mark Ingram II, an unmemorable play in an unmemorable day for the team’s top-ranked ground game. In the aftermath of the Ravens’ 24-17 win at New Era Field, their ninth straight overall and a playoff berth-clinching result, the run mattered less than cornerback Marcus Peters’ decisive fourth-quarter deflection or any of the defense’s six sacks or tight end Hayden Hurst’s 61-yard catch-and-run score. But the play did serve in part to explain the Ravens’ ground-game struggles. In one short-lived inside rush, there was a missed opportunity out wide, solid execution by the Bills and a noncall along the offensive line. It’s not fair to say that, in holding quarterback Lamar Jackson and the Ravens to a season-low 118 yards on 3.6 yards per carry, Buffalo solved the Ravens’ rushing attack. With Jackson’s rushing threat, the Ravens, more often than not, will always have a numerical advantage at the line of scrimmage. But the offense can and should grow from a day in which it finished with as many rushing first downs (six) as three-and-outs. The Ravens will need Jackson and offensive coordinator Greg Roman to make wiser in-game decisions. They’ll need to figure out countermeasures against defenses as consistent as the Bills and San Francisco 49ers. Maybe most importantly, they’ll need officials to learn from previous mistakes Cry us a river part two you seem oddly obsessed with the Baltimore Ravens, a team not in your division, a team that soundly beat you in your house like it was nothing, and your are reading Baltimore newspapers just to get your own personal bulletin board material. The Ravens beat up the bills, not because the bills are a terrible team, but because the Ravens are a superior team on all facets. Maybe cry about that.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeSmashPeons Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 10 hours ago, SoTier said: I think that Josh Allen can certainly be a successful NFL QB, perhaps even a QB who leads the Bills to one or more Super Bowls. I simply don't think he's as talented as Lamar who is a very special talent. That's not a knock on Allen, it's just a recognition of how good Jackson is. I agree 100% No one is knocking Allen, he had a bad game, every single QB in NFL history has had several bad games over their career, it's nothing to take personal or as a slight when that bad game is acknowledged, but fans of every team goes overboard on the reactions. Allen is a 2nd year QB on a team definitely going to the playoffs and a great team record, that's a pretty bright future no matter how you look at it, especially with that smoking Defense them boys are BEASTS! That game actually made me apprecieate Lamar Jackson even more, cause that's as good as it gets on Defense and he did exceptionally well considering he is a 22 year old in his first full season as starter. it was a great fukn game minus the piss poor officiating and I would LOVE a rematch in the playoffs. 10 hours ago, SoTier said: I was simply pointing out that many Bills fans are using a double standard when predicting the futures of both Jackson and Allen. Except for yards, Jackson has significantly better passing stats than Allen, yet Bills fans keep touting Allen as a future franchise QB while claiming that Jackson is only a mediocre passer despite his having a QB rating of 109.2 over 13 games while Allen's QB rating is 85.8 over that same number of games. The only regular starting QBs with better QB ratings than Jackson are Ryan Tannehill, Kirk Cousins, and Drew Brees plus rookie Drew Lock who has had only 3 starts. Jackson's 7.7 yards per attempt puts him ahead of future HOF QBs Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers, and is within the usual YPA expected of top passers (8.5-7.5 ypa). I think Jackson is much more than a mediocre passer at this point in his career, and probably has a much higher ceiling than any of his critics think. OTOH Allen has very statistically mediocre passing stats, although that doesn't mean that he's doomed. He started far behind the other QBs in his draft class because he suffered from poor coaching in college, and the Bills didn't help him much as a rookie by not providing him with a competent, experienced QB coach or an NFL caliber OL and receiving corps last season. His improvement since last season has been spectacular, and he's continued to improve throughout this season, especially when it comes to his decision making. I think Allen still has a lot of untapped potential that the Bills can help him realize by providing him with upgrades to the OL, RBs, and receivers (both WRs and TEs). Allen really needs a big, fast sure-handed receiver as well as more commitment by the OC to the running game (which means that the Bills NEED better RBs than Gore and Yeldon). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billrooter Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 On 12/8/2019 at 5:55 PM, GunnerBill said: Oh and Russell Wilson is the MVP. If he doesn't win it then it is a scandal. Jackson now has over a thousand rushing yards and 33 TDs and six picks, you still think RW is winning the MVP, oh and he is on the best team in the NFL with wins over a lot of playoff teams already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 How many 5 td passing games do the bills have in their history? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Why is Baltimore running up the score & still using Lamar Jackson in the 4th ? Eventually he will be injured , the guy only weighs 212 LBs... If he makes it to the SB it will most likely be with an injury. He's has been lucky so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) 30 minutes ago, billrooter said: Jackson now has over a thousand rushing yards and 33 TDs and six picks, you still think RW is winning the MVP, oh and he is on the best team in the NFL with wins over a lot of playoff teams already? Yep I still think Wilson is the MVP. It isn't a criticism of Jackson in any way. The kid is a brilliant player. But he is on a stacked Ravens team. Take Wilson off the Seahawks and they would be lucky to win 6 games. Edited December 13, 2019 by GunnerBill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: Yep I still think Wilson is the MVP. It isn't a criticism of Jackson in any way. The kid is a brilliant player. But he is on a stacked Ravens team. Take Wilson off the Seahawks and they would be lucky to win 6 games. That's certainly your opinion but I think the MVP race is over barring something catastrophic happening. I think Vegas had Lamar's MVP chances at roughly 80% before last night's 5 TD game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 17 minutes ago, DCOrange said: That's certainly your opinion but I think the MVP race is over barring something catastrophic happening. I think Vegas had Lamar's MVP chances at roughly 80% before last night's 5 TD game. Yea you may well be right. I'd still vote for Wilson if I had a vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Yep I still think Wilson is the MVP. It isn't a criticism of Jackson in any way. The kid is a brilliant player. But he is on a stacked Ravens team. Take Wilson off the Seahawks and they would be lucky to win 6 games. That team is NOT stacked on offense. Average WR's. Average TE's. The scheme and Lamar's threat of running is making the offense run. Put RGIII in and they do not have half of the success. Lamar is far and away the MVP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 15 completions for 200 yards and 5 TD screams system QB. That said he is doing very well and extremely efficient at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Yep I still think Wilson is the MVP. It isn't a criticism of Jackson in any way. The kid is a brilliant player. But he is on a stacked Ravens team. Take Wilson off the Seahawks and they would be lucky to win 6 games. Both are great players and while the Ravens are better than the Seahawks I don't see anyway Wilson gets the MVP. It's going to Jackson. Both are deserving but Jackson more so with what he is doing both passing and running. 12-2 with 10 straight wins including a beat down of the evil empire. Jackson has been the main part in all of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Yep I still think Wilson is the MVP. It isn't a criticism of Jackson in any way. The kid is a brilliant player. But he is on a stacked Ravens team. Take Wilson off the Seahawks and they would be lucky to win 6 games. Take any MVP candidate QB off his team and the result is similar. A point not worth making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like A Mofo Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Lamar Jackson is having a special season. His performance both on and off the field have given the NFL a good jolt of fresh air. Jackson is great for the league. And he deserves the MVP this year. Having said this, why do we NEED to compare Jackson to Josh Allen? Let these guys be their own QB's. Both are in their 2nd year, and are both having success at different levels. Just let it play out and enjoy. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Yep I still think Wilson is the MVP. It isn't a criticism of Jackson in any way. The kid is a brilliant player. But he is on a stacked Ravens team. Take Wilson off the Seahawks and they would be lucky to win 6 games. Are the Ravens really that stacked? They have a rookie receiver who hasn’t been healthy (the Seahawks have Metcalf who has been awesome); a 4th round 2nd year TE, and Mark Ingram who has been out rushed by Chris Carson the past 2 years. we’re nitpicking here because Wilson is awesome but Jackson has been steroids to that team. They are averaging 10 more points a game. Jackson is the MVP and I don’t think it’s really that close good sir. 40 minutes ago, Like A Mofo said: Lamar Jackson is having a special season. His performance both on and off the field have given the NFL a good jolt of fresh air. Jackson is great for the league. And he deserves the MVP this year. Having said this, why do we NEED to compare Jackson to Josh Allen? Let these guys be their own QB's. Both are in their 2nd year, and are both having success at different levels. Just let it play out and enjoy. Because we need to compare everything! We used to argue over Jackson and Spiller when we had both guys playing effectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 NFL MVP this year will be younger than this years Heisman winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 (edited) Jackson is an absolute beast but I think too many are ignoring the inevitable... Come year 5, the Ravens will have to allocate a huge portion of their cap to Lamar Jackson. Are years 5-10 of Lamar Jackson going to be worse, the same, or better than what we’re seeing right now? An argument could certainly be made that he might be better, but unlike other running QBs, his game is entirely predicated off his ability to design run. The hits will eventually add up. Edited December 14, 2019 by SCBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 Didn't people on this board anoint Carson Wentz and Dak Prescott as the next Jesus and John the Baptist last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 8 hours ago, PolishDave said: Didn't people on this board anoint Carson Wentz and Dak Prescott as the next Jesus and John the Baptist last year? what’s your point? Neither have put together an MVP season like Lamar has. Could he regress? Sure. We’ll wait and see. But to strawman like this makes you look foolish. Seriously the reflexive hating on this kid by so many here is odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 On 12/13/2019 at 7:26 AM, HOUSE said: Why is Baltimore running up the score & still using Lamar Jackson in the 4th ? Eventually he will be injured , the guy only weighs 212 LBs... If he makes it to the SB it will most likely be with an injury. He's has been lucky so far playing like this is drooled over by the media until the inevitable too-soon curtailing from injury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 Lamar clearly deserves better marks as a passer than he was given credit for in the pre-draft process. Petrino and a handful of observers said so but the powers that be were not listening. Shame on them and kudos to the kid. Having said that he still has plenty to prove in the passing department. In the scheme he's running he is taking full advantage of good accuracy, ball placement, quick release and adequate arm strength. But everything, including the Raven's passing game, leverages off the run, including of course what he contributes to that personally. The test will be what happens when, as I believe is inevitable, he finally has to transition to a more fully developed conventional passing attack with more challenging throws and multiple downfield reads etc...I don't think that skill jumps out of his college tape, or such of it that I remember seeing. I'm sure Belly is thinking the way to beat him is still to force him to be less of a runner and more of a QB. I have no doubt that the next time the Pats and Ravens match up, Bill will be much better prepared. It is quite possible that the shelf life of the Raven's offence will start to expire fairly soon, like in the upcoming playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 5 hours ago, row_33 said: playing like this is drooled over by the media until the inevitable too-soon curtailing from injury Which QB has missed games due to injuries each season, Jackson or Allen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 The LJ hate here is positively cringeworthy. We dumping on an MVP year now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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