Wk 14 Postgame Thread Bills lose to Ravens 24-17

[FLFan]

3 minutes ago, london_bills said:

Yes and I think you miss the point. naturally there is a big 'bills fan vibe' that comes through in what your saying. Your comment about 'Pittsburgh not in buffalo's league no matter what'  is saying that buffalo are way better than the Steelers and will win. No guarantees after today's offensive performance. 

There are no guarantees but the Bills are the better team, quite objectively.  

[InheritedBillsfan]

2 minutes ago, FLFan said:

Jackson was unimpressive today against a good defense.  Erratic and clearly limited as a passer.  The long TD was a blown coverage by Buffalo.  Kudos to him for seeing it I guess, but a high school QB couldn’t have made that throw.  On the their last TD, it was a terrible pass and a spectacular catch.  He made some plays but he wasn’t hardly the model of a top QB today.  On other days he does not get so lucky.  I hope the Bills draw this team in the playoffs.  

So what is your take on Josh Allen then? If Lamar threw 3 TD's and Allen did nothing, how would you say he ranked? Lamar certainly was erratic today and was not impressive because Buffalo played solid if not fantastic defense against the pass. And we knew they were capable of that coming into this game. 

But to compare him to a high school quarterback is a bit subjective and perhaps emotional due to the loss, wouldn't you say?  There is no denying the kid is a winner. 

[atlbillsfan1975]

1 hour ago, InheritedBillsfan said:

The Bills defense definitely got Lamar off his rhythm today and limited what he could do on the ground as well. Probably the least effective I have seen Lamar as of late. I wouldn't say that Lamar is a run-first quarterback. He does have 28 TD passes on the season and had 3 more today.  It would be like an untrained eye saying Josh isn't a pass first quarterback because he has half the rushing TD's as he does passing. 

Neither quarterback had their best game and it is probably due to the windy conditions, being young, as well as the defenses taking away the pass game.

I’ve watched enough football to know what Lamar is today. Sure he can develop, but right now Baltimore is taking the approach of maximizing  he strengths and not trying to make him into something he isn’t. Perfect OC. 

Edited December 9, 2019 by atlbillsfan1975

[BillsFanSD]

1 minute ago, Bills Oil Company said:

Way too much moral victory / we played well rhetoric by this fan base after the loss.   STOP! 

 

A loss is not acceptable.  Demand better.  Be better than that.  

 

Luckily, I don't think McBeane has the same mindset as half the fan base.  

 

No.  The fact is that every NFL game is a %-based proposition, and you should be updating your priors after each game.  This game is one in which we faced an extremely good team.  The fact that we went toe to toe with them is a good indicator of our team's quality.

[CommonCents]

Dear Terry Pegula can you please buy Knox his own jugs machine for Xmas? 

 

Thanks.

[Boatdrinks]

3 minutes ago, Bills Oil Company said:

Way too much moral victory / we played well rhetoric by this fan base after the loss.   STOP! 

 

A loss is not acceptable.  Demand better.  Be better than that.  

 

Luckily, I don't think McBeane has the same mindset as half the fan base.  

 

Okay, I demand it ! There, did we win now ? 

[Bills Oil Company]

1 minute ago, BillsFanSD said:

No.  The fact is that every NFL game is a %-based proposition, and you should be updating your priors after each game.  This game is one in which we faced an extremely good team.  The fact that we went toe to toe with them is a good indicator of our team's quality.

 

I use actual data: W's and L's.    Everything else is subjective and noise. 

[LeGOATski]

1 hour ago, london_bills said:

And so what I think you are saying is Daboll should be modifying the offense in light of Allen's inconsistencies? That the brown throw for the touchdown could of been a. Shorter throw call but more guaranteed? 

I lean toward it being an issue with the play design, but I'm not sure. I think there are also a lot of option routes in this offense.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

4 minutes ago, Bills Oil Company said:

 

I use actual data: W's and L's.    Everything else is subjective and noise. 

 

Right. And I'm SURE you weren't in the "they haven't beaten anybody" camp, right?

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

It is gonna come off today or tomorrow with the loss. 

Now, that's better!!??

[london_bills]

18 minutes ago, FLFan said:

Jackson was unimpressive today against a good defense.  Erratic and clearly limited as a passer.  The long TD was a blown coverage by Buffalo.  Kudos to him for seeing it I guess, but a high school QB couldn’t have made that throw.  On the their last TD, it was a terrible pass and a spectacular catch.  He made some plays but he wasn’t hardly the model of a top QB today.  On other days he does not get so lucky.  I hope the Bills draw this team in the playoffs.  

Allen looked like the high school quarterback today for the most part. Brilliant last week. 

[InheritedBillsfan]

11 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Yeah today he had 3 pass tds on a busted coverage and two flips inside the 5 color me unconvinced lmao

 

Dual threat, run first, whatever...he ain’t beating anybody with his arm alone. If he was there’s no need for Roman and the read option. 

I come on here and tell fans that it was a good game played, because I am a fan of both teams, and I get this type of condescending nonsense in return. Like I said, take a good hard look at his stats -and- his games this season if you want to make educated statements and opinions. But it really doesn't matter because he keeps winning regardless of anyones opinions. 

P.S. Keep in mind, I ALSO am a Bills fan, but see things as subjectively as I can. 

[FLFan]

8 minutes ago, InheritedBillsfan said:

So what is your take on Josh Allen then? If Lamar threw 3 TD's and Allen did nothing, how would you say he ranked? Lamar certainly was erratic today and was not impressive because Buffalo played solid if not fantastic defense against the pass. And we knew they were capable of that coming into this game. 

But to compare him to a high school quarterback is a bit subjective and perhaps emotional due to the loss, wouldn't you say?  There is no denying the kid is a winner. 

Neither QB was particularly impressive today. (Allen did throw for one TD by the way). I have seen them both play better but these  are two very good defenses.  I said that.a high school QB could have made that throw because that is a fact.  The receiver was wide open, by 20 yards.  That was the difference in the game and it was a total blown coverage and not the result of Jackson’s skills or his being a winner.  It was a gift.  Such is the NFL.  

[Rob's House]

There are no moral victories but having the opportunity to tie inside their 20 at the end of the game is far preferable to getting stomped.

 

I don't think it can reasonably be argued that the Bills aren't a solid team right now.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

35 minutes ago, the skycap said:

He needs to be able to hit those deep passes. Eliminate teams from blitzing him

 

Show me 1 qb in the league who successfully takes deep shots vs the Blitz.  

 

Quick passes to home run RAC guys are a nice way to keep the safeties back.

 

Edited December 8, 2019 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Lurker]

16 minutes ago, GG said:

Yeah, Poyer got caught cheating. 

 

I thought it was just a great scheme.  They had two TE's in the same spot and forced him to pick his poison.   That's what good teams do and I tip my hat to the Ravens...

[Scott7975]

20 minutes ago, JR in Pittsburgh said:

Any word on what happened on that broken long TD by the ravens?

 

Poyer got confused on which TE to cover and chose the wrong one.

[Bills Oil Company]

I think any win in the NFL is a good win.   NFL isn't college.  The difference between a good NFL team and bad one is small.  

 

And I kinda get people being thankful the Bills are competitive against a good team.   The defense was, but the offense was terrible.  The Baltimore defense bullied the crap outta the Bills.   If you take away all the bonehead Baltimore penalties, its even worse.    If I use your "eye test", I saw the Bills offense get taken to the woodshed.   So, not sure where all the positivity is coming from - even from that perspective. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

21 minutes ago, the skycap said:

Gore is becoming a liability on offense. If a defense has a strong front, Gore is rendered useless. He's not fast enough to get outside. 

 

It’s irritating when they run him any direction but on  either side of he center 

[BillsFanSD]

3 minutes ago, Bills Oil Company said:

I think any win in the NFL is a good win.   NFL isn't college.  The difference between a good NFL team and bad one is small.  

 

And I kinda get people being thankful the Bills are competitive against a good team.   The defense was, but the offense was terrible.  The Baltimore defense bullied the crap outta the Bills.   If you take away all the bonehead Baltimore penalties, its even worse.    If I use your "eye test", I saw the Bills offense get taken to the woodshed.   So, not sure where all the positivity is coming from - even from that perspective. 

I agree that the offense was bad today and needs to do better.

[london_bills]

22 minutes ago, FLFan said:

There are no guarantees but the Bills are the better team, quite objectively.  

Same was said about the eagles game. 

[PolishPrince]

26 minutes ago, the skycap said:

Gore is becoming a liability on offense. If a defense has a strong front, Gore is rendered useless. He's not fast enough to get outside. 

Another Daboll gem playcall... half yard and goal... deep drop handoff to Gore for an "outside" run LMAO... -3 yards. wtf

[asyranok]

Ravens fan here. (I know "X" fan here posts can get old). Gotta say that the Bills are the last team I want to see in the playoffs.

I have a lot of respect for the Patriots, Bills, and 49ers, among other great teams. As far as this year is concerned, the only teams that I have seen that can potentially dominate the Ravens at their best, it's the Bills and 49ers. Call me a sucker for something that resembles the 2000 Ravens. I am not so sure the Bills are the next superbowl winners this year, even though they obviously have the chance this year in the AFC outside of the Ravens.

But I am really excited about the Bills going forward, especially with Allen, Singletary, Beasley, and that defense. Might not be a super popular opinion here for me to say that you are the second best after the Patriots for one last time, (although I'd rather the Ravens play the Patriots than the Bills in the playoffs), but your team is the future of the AFC EAST guaranteed after this year. And I'm personally looking forward to that.

I was even more worried about this game than I was against the 49ers, even if others might not agree with me. But you have a lot to look forward to. Go bills!

Edited December 9, 2019 by asyranok

[CincyBillsFan]

2 hours ago, BillsMafi$ said:

Hope Tua falls 

 

Why so you can see what else breaks after he takes a beating like Allen did today?

 

It's painfully obvious what we need on offense and it's NOT a new QB.  In fact QB is the least of our offensive problems.  Just watch a couple of NFL games and see what real offensive play makers do.

 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, SCBills said:

I don’t blame Daboll for today.  Next to impossible to look good when your QB & OL are a disaster for most of the game. 

 

So Allen was dropping all those passes?  And it wasn't Allen who didn't throw the yellow flag on an obvious PI.

 

 

 

 

[SDS]

6 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

Why so you can see what else breaks after he takes a beating like Allen did today?

 

It's painfully obvious what we need on offense and it's NOT a new QB.  In fact QB is the least of our offensive problems.  Just watch a couple of NFL games and see what real offensive play makers do.

 

 

 

 

 

So Allen was dropping all those passes?  And it wasn't Allen who didn't throw the yellow flag on an obvious PI.

 

 

 

 

But he was the guy who took sack after sack putting us out of field-goal range when he had plenty of time to make a decision.

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

7 minutes ago, asyranok said:

Ravens fan here. (I know "X" fan here posts can get old). Gotta say that the Bills are the last team I want to see in the playoffs.

I have a lot of respect for the Patriots, Bills, and 49ers, among other great teams. As far as this year is concerned, the only teams that I have seen that can potentially dominate the Ravens at their best, it's the Bills and 49ers. Call me a sucker for something that resembles the 2000 Ravens. I am not so sure the Bills are the nest superbowl winners this year, even though they obviously have the chance this year in the AFC outside of the Ravens.

But I am really excited about the Bills going forward, especially with Allen, Singletary, Beasley, and that defense. Might not be a super popular opinion here for me to say that you are the second best after the Patriots for one last time, (although I'd rather the Ravens play the Patriots than the Bills in the playoffs), but your team is the future of the AFC EAST guaranteed after this year. And I'm personally looking forward to that.

I was even more worried about this game than I was against the 49ers, even if others might not agree with me. But you have a lot to look forward to. Go bills!

Good luck to you guys as well. I’m pretty impressed. You’ve put together a nice program, great schemes, playcalling and physical. You have some really nice players on all sides of the ball. 
 

It’s nice to see the reigns changing in the AFC

[Scott7975]

Just now, SDS said:

But he was the guy who took sack after sack putting us out of field-goal range when he had plenty of time to make a decision.

 

On some of them.  Some of them were jailbreaks where he had no chance.

[BuffaloBaumer]

Defense was great, offense was awful in the 1st half and then picked it up.

 

Awful no challenge, 2 terrible drops, and Allen a little off for a bit 

 

1st and 10 on 16 to tie. Can't complain too much...

[SDS]

41 minutes ago, Bills Oil Company said:

Way too much moral victory / we played well rhetoric by this fan base after the loss.   STOP! 

 

A loss is not acceptable.  Demand better.  Be better than that.  

 

Luckily, I don't think McBeane has the same mindset as half the fan base.  

 

lol. Where should I send my sternly written letter to?

[iinii]

2 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

On some of them.  Some of them were jailbreaks where he had no chance.

Exactly. 

 

 

 

 

[Ralonzo]

Why does Boger's crew get all these high-profile games where they constantly demonstrate they are among the worst crews in the NFL? They get everything wrong all the time.

[CincyBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, SDS said:

But he was the guy who took sack after sack putting us out of field-goal range when he had plenty of time to make a decision.

 

He didn't have plenty of time.  The Ravens had 6 sacks and only Allen's ability to extend the play prevented a couple of more.  Time after time Baltimore had immediate pressure on Allen. 

 

And as Fouts showed there wasn't a whole lot of separation by our receivers today. 

 

But I get that blaming Allen is easy because he definitely struggled in the first half and wasn't at his best.  But today our O-line got blown up and our receivers dropped way to many passes.

 

 

 

 

 

[iinii]

1 minute ago, SDS said:

lol. Where should I send my sternly written letter to?

Santa Clause?

 

[CincyBillsFan]

28 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

Show me 1 qb in the league who successfully takes deep shots vs the Blitz.  

 

Quick passes to home run RAC guys are a nice way to keep the safeties back.

 

 

This is so key every Bills fan should read it, learn it and live it!

 

Singleterry is almost this type of player but no one else on the Bill's O is.  Our lack of big play makers on offense is killing us.  Is it any surprise that in the face of all out blitzing ONLY Singleterry could make a play?

 

 

Edited December 9, 2019 by CincyBillsFan

[SDS]

2 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

He didn't have plenty of time.  The Ravens had 6 sacks and only Allen's ability to extend the play prevented a couple of more.  Time after time Baltimore had immediate pressure on Allen. 

 

And as Fouts showed there wasn't a whole lot of separation by our receivers today. 

 

But I get that blaming Allen is easy because he definitely struggled in the first half and wasn't at his best.  But today our O-line got blown up and our receivers dropped way to many passes.

 

 

 

 

 

you may wanna go back and review a bunch of those sacks.

[Bob in STL]

23 minutes ago, Bills Oil Company said:

I think any win in the NFL is a good win.   NFL isn't college.  The difference between a good NFL team and bad one is small.  

 

And I kinda get people being thankful the Bills are competitive against a good team.   The defense was, but the offense was terrible.  The Baltimore defense bullied the crap outta the Bills.   If you take away all the bonehead Baltimore penalties, its even worse.    If I use your "eye test", I saw the Bills offense get taken to the woodshed.   So, not sure where all the positivity is coming from - even from that perspective. 

 

Pretty negative post.   The offense was not very good true, but we did move the ball and we had four chances from the red zone to win or tie.  

 

Baltimore bullied us a bit but we ran on them.  Dropped passes and bad pass blocking hurt us as much as anything Baltimore did.  

 

Hopefully the Bills learned something today because they basically just played a playoff game and they have 3 more before the season  ends.   

[CincyBillsFan]

Just now, SDS said:

you may wanna go back and review a bunch of those sacks.

 

Why I watched the game.  What did you do?  Allen maybe had 2 sacks where he held on to the ball to long.  And I suspect NO ONE was open on those plays.  On the other 4 sacks Allen was under pressure almost as soon as he got the snap.  Then you have the 3 or 4 sacks that didn't happen because of Allen's athleticism. 

[Koufax]

I take issue with the following:

 

Offensive Playcalling, deep touch passes were not going to work, shifting to the short stuff helped but we left plays on the field over the middle 10-15.

 

Allen failed to step up on edge pressure a few times, and rolled into it. Bad tendency that I hope goes away. Led to some negative plays, but also missed opportunity to get out of bad plays and complete a few over the middle and run a few up the middle.

 

Can you challenge PI on the final play or is it not allowed inside a.minute? If you can challenge, why not do it even if only a 1% chance? Can't use the timeout on Monday.

 

One fumble and one blown coverage with good pressure turned the game, and the defense played great.

 

Nice to have our own kicker back. Let's not hang out heads...that is a good team and now we need to find a way to get to 10-4 next week in what is a much bigger matchup than it felt like a month ago...

[SDS]

3 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

Why I watched the game.  What did you do?  Allen maybe had 2 sacks where he held on to the ball to long.  And I suspect NO ONE was open on those plays.  On the other 4 sacks Allen was under pressure almost as soon as he got the snap.  Then you have the 3 or 4 sacks that didn't happen because of Allen's athleticism. 

lol. Ok champ. Sorry to hurt your feelings. There were multiple times he took sacks while in field goal range today. It was discussed on the broadcast. Sorry you missed them. 

[asyranok]

Also... I am reading through this thread...

Trust me. Josh Allen is a future "Well Above Average" to "Elite" QB. I promise you (again as a Ravens fan) that I know a competent QB when I see one (aka they are on the other team) unless they are the 2012 Playoffs Flacco or 2019 Jackson. The best QB we had before them was Vinny Testaverde. Allen is an excellent QB. He has to want to be better; and the Bills need to continue building around him. If they do, he's a top 8 QB for sure. If they cater to him, he's more of a Steve Young type QB. It's up to coaching. The raw talent is clearly there. I know talent when I see it; considering that I know a complete black hole of talent when I don't see it at that position.

 

Edited December 9, 2019 by asyranok