D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Oh come on people, it was on everyone involved with the offense. From game planning during the week to execution and performance was below par. Even Singletary sucked at pass pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbarrettb Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 17/39 is not good enough especially if you’re not running the football. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJC25 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: Indeed. But that means there are opportunities for the offense to make plays because there are open receivers. That is why sometimes you want the center and the QB to be able to identify that and find the spot where we have an open guy. If your adjustment is just for the OC to call max protect every play you have lost the battle and the defense has won. No that means ball comes out quick and needs to be out quick or its a sack. And we are running 15 to 20 yard routes 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 36 minutes ago, Virgil said: Daboll wasn’t the problem Absolutely right the offensive line was. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Just now, TJC25 said: No that means ball comes out quick and needs to be out quick or its a sack. And we are running 15 to 20 yard routes I agree and some of that has to be designed but some of that can't come from the box. It has to come from the guys on the field diagnosing the defense and adjusting on the fly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnycage46 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 35 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: Around here, Daboll bashing is code for "Allen had another bad game." He was HORRIBLE today. So was the entire offense bud. I get you have an agenda but the entire O played poorly save for a drive or two. Dropped passes, bad passes, bad play calling...it was a total O failure...not just your whipping boy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJC25 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Just now, GunnerBill said: I agree and some of that has to be designed but some of that can't come from the box. It has to come from the guys on the field diagnosing the defense and adjusting on the fly. Think of this if me you and everyone sees that why doesnt daboll why is beasly running go routes down the sideline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Just now, Johnnycage46 said: So was the entire offense bud. I get you have an agenda but the entire O played poorly save for a drive or two. Dropped passes, bad passes, bad play calling...it was a total O failure...not just your whipping boy. Dude is a crusader. Ignore him. He is HORRIBLE every day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Just now, TJC25 said: Think of this if me you and everyone sees that why doesnt daboll why is beasly running go routes down the sideline I have to believe there is a role for Duke Williams in this WR group. They can't all be smurfs... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, TJC25 said: Think of this if me you and everyone sees that why doesnt daboll why is beasly running go routes down the sideline And I agree. Daboll didn't make enough scheme adjustments. But it still comes down to the QB and center diagnosing and finding the open guy. The playcaller has less chance of knowing who is going to blitz at the point he calls the play than the QB and center have once they have seen the defense lineup. There is blame on all fronts on offense today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Allen wasn't good enough to make others around him better today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 (edited) Thread title tells the tale of today. Everything else is just mental *****. Master. Bation. Edited December 8, 2019 by BillsFanNC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJC25 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: And I agree. Daboll didn't make enough scheme adjustments. But it still comes down to the QB and center diagnosing and finding the open guy. The playcaller has less chance of knowing who is going to blitz at the point he calls the play than the QB and center have once they have seen the defense lineup. There is blame on all fronts on offense today. If your the o.c and you know they blitz 7 are you gonna call a empty set? Especially when your running 15 to 20 yard pass plays 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 47 minutes ago, stevestojan said: I “got” not filing up this board with threads by making a new topic that says what everyone knows. I mean...it's a hosted server. I'm sure there is room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJC25 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, london_bills said: Allen wasn't good enough to make others around him better today. Josh wasn't put in a position to be good today 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, london_bills said: Allen wasn't good enough to make others around him better today. He wasnt. Except when he was good enough and those around him let him down. It's on all of them. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenosha2Buffalo Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Wrs made bad plays, rbs, our qb, daboll. Overall as a unit they sucked, can't really pin it on anyone. Drops everywher,e bad timing on play calls, bad throws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, CoudyBills said: I mean...it's a hosted server. I'm sure there is room. Yep....enough room for every random thought. Just because one can doesn't mean one should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Our offense is an enigma. I don’t know stats, but by the eye test they seem like one of the bottom 10 offenses in the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 8 minutes ago, TJC25 said: If your the o.c and you know they blitz 7 are you gonna call a empty set? Especially when your running 15 to 20 yard pass plays Sometimes yes I am - because that means I am going to have uncovered guys. I want to take advantage of it. Now you want some shorter routes, for sure.... but there were some called. I don't just want to keep extra guys in every play because that limits my ability to move the ball and gives the D what they want. You have to play cat and mouse. Daboll had to do a better job, no doubt, but the guys on the field had to too. Dealing with the blitz is always on the center and QB as well as the playcaller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 7 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: He wasnt. Except when he was good enough and those around him let him down. It's on all of them. Yes there were some plays that I agree with on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 (edited) I thought Daboll had a really bad day. Him moving to the booth and reading the defense pre-snap for Allen was a big reason for the offensive turnaround IMO. Today we didn't have the proper protections when they blitzed and the times we did max protect or when Josh changed the play (likely due to whatever Daboll was seeing) we played right into their defensive scheme. This doesn't excuse the awful performances from our QB and receivers, but it was a rough outing for our OC. Edited December 8, 2019 by VW82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Alot of this highlights what an issue the deep ball is. I think people are dissapointed with theae continual deep misses. Obviously Allen is you can see it in his face. Because we can't hit that deep pass more pressure is being put on the offence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 They’ll learn from it. Hats off to the Ravens D, they brought the heat from all sorts of angles and the protection wasn’t there and when it was Allen missed a few deep passes and the receivers made a few costly drops. Onto the Steelers and their defense will be equally as good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibum Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Lurker said: Dabol did not earn his paycheck this week... Daboll didn't drop any passes or whiff on dozens of blocks today. The O line was mostly terrible, and when they were good enough, Josh panicked anyway and made bad decisions with his feet. How many times did he take off out of the pocket when he had time to step up and throw? Josh also made lots of bad throws downfield, and when he was on target, guys dropped passes. The run blocking was bad, too. The offense laid an egg today, and it was 90% execution. Daboll gets a pass on this one, from what I could see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 34 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Morse is there to help (and centers around the league help). And if he isn't doing it then he isn't earning his contract because purely his physical play has been no better than average. Center doesn't see late shifts by the defense. QBs always have protection calls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, skibum said: Daboll didn't drop any passes or whiff on dozens of blocks today. No but he was listening to WGR in the booth apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJDK Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 On 12/8/2019 at 3:36 PM, Buffalo_Stampede said: They were blitzing. It's on the QB. QB makes the line calls and sets protections. Allen was not seeing the blitz at all. He was calling them out and everyone saw it. The line didn’t block. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rbleyle said: Allen’s not good at his deep ball accuracy so why are we drawing up plays the put the spotlight on his weaknesses? An NFL qb with literally the strongest arm ever - and a guy the bills drafted to deal with the wind - should be expected to occasionally connect. He has to keep trying even if this year is a lost cause. They basically drafted the next big ben, but ben is an accurate deep thrower. He has gotten more accurate on other throws, so it’s wise to push and push him. Crazy opinion: Orton was the Bills’ most accurate deep thrower since Kelly 2/3 of the way through the 1992 season (he ruptuted his bursar sac then and was never the same). Edited December 8, 2019 by dave mcbride 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 1 hour ago, DollaBills said: O-line got completely destroyed for most of the game If they feel good about Dawkins and Ford. They are delusional. Address the bookends ASAP 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 On 12/8/2019 at 4:57 PM, SJDK said: He was calling them out and everyone saw it. The line didn’t block. Allen didn't see it multiple times. He stood there unaware of what was coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, Agent 91 said: If they feel good about Dawkins and Ford. They are delusional. Address the bookends ASAP Dawkins isn’t great, but it could be a lot worse. He’s at least average, and he is durable (possibly the most underrated attribute among fans). Ford isn’t very good right now, but most rookie tackles struggle in the nfl. Marcus Cannon was terrible early on and is now excellent. Going back, Ken Jones was a holding machine for the Bills but became excellent over time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 I blame the Bills Mafia for not "taking care of" the Refs pre-game. On the other hand, post game may have worked too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 I hate to break it to the folks in this thread, but................ the Ravens are 11-2 for a reason and their D is a BIG part of that reason. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just watching the highlights. Knox isn't only dropping balls, he's whiffing on pass Pro aswell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffbills716 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 38 minutes ago, njbuff said: I hate to break it to the folks in this thread, but................ the Ravens are 11-2 for a reason and their D is a BIG part of that reason. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffbills716 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) On 12/8/2019 at 4:21 PM, whatdrought said: The heck did you watch? Can’t wait to see your recap to see where you think the blame goes. Took him the whole game to figure out that they were sending the whole damn crows nest at Josh and to switch to fast routes, outside runs, and max protect. 60/40: Daboll/Allen Edited December 9, 2019 by Buffbills716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Buffbills716 said: 60/40: Daboll/Allen TEs? WR? OL? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) https://billswire.usatoday.com/2019/12/09/ravens-john-harbaugh-bills-one-of-best-teams-nfl-lamar-jackson/ Ravens' John Harbaugh calls Bills 'one of the best' teams in NFLThat was a great football game, and two really, really good football teams going at it, tooth and nail. Proud of the victory. Very impressed with the Bills. That’s a football team that’s going to be around, through the playoffs, into the playoffs, that’s a good football team. Very well-coached by Sean McDermott and very tough, hard-nosed, hard-playing football team. So, to win that game, obviously, is a very special victory. On 12/8/2019 at 4:14 PM, Returntoglory said: Nuff said ? look up. Nuf said. Edited December 9, 2019 by SlimShady'sGhost 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) Just some quick observations from looking at more highlights. There are plays where Allen had no chance, the pressure is coming and the receivers aren't looking at allen so he spins and ends up sacked. There are some plays where Allen doesn't take a gain that is there. Doesnt pull the trigger. Players are open here. There is a play I saw where allen is looking to pull the trigger and kroft is not even looking at allen. Maybe it's a longer developing route but kroft is looking at a Ravens defender in the distance. Allen is sacked. Surely kroft needs to be more aware here. Allen made a few clever ad lib plays and the receivers dropped the ball. Ford and knox getting beat in pass pro. Edited December 9, 2019 by london_bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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