A comment about Lamar gets a 49er's announcer suspended

[whatdrought]

8 hours ago, 32ABBA said:

 

 

What about it "isn't a good look"...what does that mean?

How might it be taken? There was nothing derogatory about it. 

 

 

It isn't a good look because it's not necessary, and it's opening the door to a conversation thread that isn't beneficial- obviously. 

It can be taken as offensive, as it was. It shouldn't be, and I'm not personally upset he said that, but his job did suffer, and he did get backlash. So for the sake of his career, it would have been wise to leave it off.

[C.Biscuit97]

9 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Agree. People should be able to consider how their words and actions affect others. On the other hand, people should also not go out of their way to find something offensive in other people's words and actions.

A good way I heard to look at this is there are people who find nothing offensive and think everything is manufactured outrage. More than likely, it’s because they might be racist.  Then there are the other people who find everything offensive and look to be outraged.

 

Most things tend to be in the middle and should be judged on a case by case basis.  Bill Polian suggesting that a heisman winning QB should be a wr reeks of something other than football.  This case is just a bad way of describing something and everyone will move on from in a day or two.  

[whatdrought]

1 hour ago, badassgixxer05 said:

I dont think Tom Brady is running the option anytime soon. If so, id be all for it... ?

 

that's a dream come true... Marcia running the option right into Ed Oliver. Be still my heart.

[billsfan1959]

Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

A good way I heard to look at this is there are people who find nothing offensive and think everything is manufactured outrage. More than likely, it’s because they might be racist.  Then there are the other people who find everything offensive and look to be outraged.

 

Most things tend to be in the middle and should be judged on a case by case basis.  Bill Polian suggesting that a heisman winning QB should be a wr reeks of something other than football.  This case is just a bad way of describing something and everyone will move on from in a day or two.  

 

Agree. Too much of both ends of the spectrum going on.

[whatdrought]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

A good way I heard to look at this is there are people who find nothing offensive and think everything is manufactured outrage. More than likely, it’s because they might be racist.  Then there are the other people who find everything offensive and look to be outraged.

 

Most things tend to be in the middle and should be judged on a case by case basis.  Bill Polian suggesting that a heisman winning QB should be a wr reeks of something other than football.  This case is just a bad way of describing something and everyone will move on from in a day or two.  

 

This is a good point. We as a society don't assess each situation for what it is. We like to label and explain away before we even know what we're referring to. We've traded the pursuit of truth with a passion to keep our framed version of reality un-impinged.

 

It's easy to cry "Old white man" when it comes to Polian, but I think the emphasis is on old, and not white. Lamar was a huge question mark at QB coming out, and it was no guarantee he'd be able to play the position. There was no question that he was a generational athlete. The idea of switching to WR can be pretty easily explained away as "he's too valuable not to use, but he's not going to be an NFL QB." Polian, and the old guard, couldn't see how a team could commit to the College based offense needed for Lamar to thrive. I don't know (unless I'm missing something of what was said) that his comments can be inferred as racist, more ignorant/dinosaur. 

[zow2]

12 hours ago, WMDman said:

Stupid thing to say in today’s time

 

Yeah,  He was trying to make a sharp and unique observation...but in 2019 you can't say anything like that and not get shredded by the "gotcha" social media crowd and general media.   People have to really think about what they're going to say and write, before they spout off. 

[jimmy10]

20 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Agree. People should be able to consider how their words and actions affect others. On the other hand, people should also not go out of their way to find something offensive in other people's words and actions.

 

I'm with you. The flip side of "going out of your way to find something offensive" though is to be so willfully obtuse that you can't understand how pointing out advantages of skin color in sports is moving awfully close to giving actual offense, and not just in terms of the oft-dismissed "PC/corporate culture." 

[C.Biscuit97]

5 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

This is a good point. We as a society don't assess each situation for what it is. We like to label and explain away before we even know what we're referring to. We've traded the pursuit of truth with a passion to keep our framed version of reality un-impinged.

 

It's easy to cry "Old white man" when it comes to Polian, but I think the emphasis is on old, and not white. Lamar was a huge question mark at QB coming out, and it was no guarantee he'd be able to play the position. There was no question that he was a generational athlete. The idea of switching to WR can be pretty easily explained away as "he's too valuable not to use, but he's not going to be an NFL QB." Polian, and the old guard, couldn't see how a team could commit to the College based offense needed for Lamar to thrive. I don't know (unless I'm missing something of what was said) that his comments can be inferred as racist, more ignorant/dinosaur. 

That’s fair and I would assume Polian isn’t a racist but a guy “who is set in his ways.”  It would be interesting to see what he thought about Tebow as a draft prospect because he had way worse mechanics than Jackson though. 

[whatdrought]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

That’s fair and I would assume Polian isn’t a racist but a guy “who is set in his ways.”  It would be interesting to see what he thought about Tebow as a draft prospect because he had way worse mechanics than Jackson though. 

 

It's a good perspective on that situation. It's kinda funny how that 2018 class worked out... You had the "old guard" who would traditionally draft a big, strong, huge armed freak like Allen, saying that a run first guy like Lamar can't succeed in the NFL. While you've got the new and enlighten group of analysts who were all about completion % and railing about how Josh would never be successful. They meet in the Middle with guys like Darnold and Rosen and now the two biggest question marks (Mayfield with his height kind of a weird outlier) seem to be the ones doing the best. 

 

Goes to show that, as with potentially racist/offensive comments or situations, everything in the human existance should be explored for it's reality, and not a projected reality based on past experiences. 

[iinii]

1 hour ago, aristocrat said:

what's next?  a team specifically uses left footed punters to gain an advantage? 

That’s why Belichick liked lefties. Most punters are righties and a lefty can throw off a punt returner’s ability to read the ball.

https://patriotswire.usatoday.com/2019/09/05/how-rookie-punter-jake-bailey-is-changing-the-patriots-kicking-and-punting-game/

[badassgixxer05]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

That’s fair and I would assume Polian isn’t a racist but a guy “who is set in his ways.”  It would be interesting to see what he thought about Tebow as a draft prospect because he had way worse mechanics than Jackson though. 

No one that knows football thought that Tim Tebow could be an NFL QB. He was the poster child of QB that needs to convert to TE. He just wasn't willing to make that transition and that sent him out of the league shortly after.

[whatdrought]

1 minute ago, badassgixxer05 said:

No one that knows football thought that Tim Tebow could be an NFL QB. He was the poster child of QB that needs to convert to TE. He just wasn't willing to make that transition and that sent him out of the league shortly after.

 

Tebow's leadership and moxy made him worth a shot as a project because if you could fix what ailed him, you'd have a great QB. Same with Lamar- his Athleticism made him worth the risk. Same with Josh even. The things you can't teach, made it worth the risk that you'd find a way to teach the other things.

[billsfan1959]

1 minute ago, jimmy10 said:

 

I'm with you. The flip side of "going out of your way to find something offensive" though is to be so willfully obtuse that you can't understand how pointing out advantages of skin color in sports is moving awfully close to giving actual offense, and not just in terms of the oft-dismissed "PC/corporate culture." 

 

I think we have to be careful at times in our indictments of people without a fair evaluation. In this particular instance, I don't believe he had any intention of being insensitive, uncaring, demeaning, or generally  racist in any way. That it might be taken offensively by some is a legitimate point; however, it is not the only point and shouldn't necessarily override every other consideration. 

 

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

That’s fair and I would assume Polian isn’t a racist but a guy “who is set in his ways.”  It would be interesting to see what he thought about Tebow as a draft prospect because he had way worse mechanics than Jackson though. 

 

I don't specifically remember Polian's stance; however, there were those that questioned his passing skills and suggested he move to TE

[BillnutinHouston]

13 hours ago, Lurker said:

I don't want to have to suspend myself, but I see his point. 

 

I took it more to be the Ravens dark jerseys than anything to do with skin color...

 

 

 

 

Ravens are wearing white jerseys on Sunday due to Kim's decision on the reds (to set the players off against a theoretical snowy background). 

 

Maybe a stroke of unplanned genius on Kim's part!

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 hours ago, bmur66 said:

Funny, I said darn near the same thing to my wife during the 49'ers game

 

I think what's being lost in all this is he may have a valid point, and the NFL ought to look at the impact of the Ravens uniform color. But because something that can't be changed got tossed in there (skin color), I doubt that will be reviewed.

[dubs]

2019!  What a world!

[BehindTheWoodshed]

31 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Agree. Too much of both ends of the spectrum going on.

 

It's possible the % of people at the extremes is less than it has been in the past due to social awareness, however the extremes are louder than ever before.

Edited December 5, 2019 by BehindTheWoodshed

[aristocrat]

16 minutes ago, iinii said:

That’s why Belichick liked lefties. Most punters are righties and a lefty can throw off a punt returner’s ability to read the ball.

https://patriotswire.usatoday.com/2019/09/05/how-rookie-punter-jake-bailey-is-changing-the-patriots-kicking-and-punting-game/

 

yes, that was my joke

[Alphadawg7]

I hate racism.  No tolerance for it what so ever.  I’ve cut people out of my life over comments I’ve found racist.  
 

BUT:  Can someone please explain to me when acknowledging the skin tone color of a person became racist?  
 

I mean, it’s a fact that Lamar and other black athletes skin tone is closer to the color of the ball than a caucasian player.  Why is it racist to make a comment that involves acknowledging this as true?  
 

People act like it’s shameful to acknowledge African Americans have a darker skin tone.  Makes no sense.  
 

Facts:  Lamar has a dark complexion.  The ball is dark brown.  Ravens jerseys are dark.  
 

More facts:  Read option involves a QB concealing a potential handoff, entire point is to conceal the ball.  
 

More facts:  The RBs involved in this particular read option offense are also African American with similar skin tone to Lamar and also wearing dark colored jerseys. 
 

More facts:  Lamar is fast as ****.  Lamar is explosive.  
 

More facts:  Even the camera crew is constantly struggling to figure out which direction the ball is going on read options because it’s just a difficult play to follow, especially when a team executes it at a high level.
 

Put that all that together, and it’s not hard to see how a sports commentator might say something like he did.  It was clearly not said with a racist undertone.  
 

Its 100% logical to think it’s slightly more difficult to follow the ball in a concealed read option play when Ravens are wearing their black jerseys with Lamar running it than say Josh Allen running it while we are wearing our white Jerseys.  And the comment was complimenting Lamar by saying he’s so explosive that even a fraction of a hesitation to locate the ball will make it too late to stop him.  
 

Sorry this was not racist.  Just wasn’t.  I do agree, that he does need to be more aware of the over corrected society we live in now and should have used a little more sensitivity in how he phrased the statement.  But it wasn’t a blatant racist comment and he shouldn’t be condemned for it, especially with no history of something like this.

Edited December 5, 2019 by Alphadawg7

[Mike in Horseheads]

Maybe the NFL should change the color of the ball to florescent orange. That color helps me find my golf balls in the woods and weeds!?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, CoudyBills said:

At the risk of this being banished to ppp I will stop here, but what is the point if there isn't a uniform standard? 

 

First off, general comment: I predicted to another mod this thread would be locked by the time I woke up this am.  Instead, I'm proud of my TBD peeps; there's been a good job of airing different views without going off the rails or expanding the scope.  Now I get to try to say my thing and not expand the scope beyond football relevance, it is a challenge.

 

@CoudyBills several have expressed a similar viewpoint (lack of a uniform (haha!) standard) - for example, would it be seen the same way to make a comment about a baseball pitcher's white skin making it harder to see the white ball? 

 

And to that I say, We need to look at remarks in societal context.  We just can't make society uniform or fair.  Can't be done.  People have their backgrounds and experiences which lead them to different views, and they may not come from a place of personal prejudice but can still have prejudicial impact, taken in aggregate.  What we can do is understand the impact of words on people *in their societal context*. 

With Lamar Jackson, the societal context is that he, a Heisman winning QB with two seasons >3500 yds passing and close to 60% completions the 2nd, had pundits saying pre-draft he should convert to another position he had never played, WR or RB.   I had never heard anything like it about another star, award-winning college player.   There were also a lot of comments on his low Wonderlic, even though the Wonderlic is very SAT-like and it's been well established that  SAT scores fall along socioeconomic lines and don't correlate well to actual intelligence.  Those comments get framed into a still broader context of a time not long ago when smart black QBs just didn't get opportunities to play QB in the NFL.

 

You can't change all of the above to make a uniform standard.  No one can give Lamar a world where everyone gets uniform scholastic opportunities and where his athletic talents are guaranteed review based solely upon their merits with no influence from the past.  It can't be done.  It can't.  It is what it is.

 

What we can do, is expect that *in the context of the above*, a team representative (49ers PR guy as I understand it, analogous to Chris Brown) should understand that remarks that could imply Lamar's skin color (rather than Lamar's skill) is part of Lamar's success at deceptive handoffs are inappropriate. It's inappropriate because of the player's past history of folks overlooking one aspect of his skill set (QB skills) to focus on another (running chops), rather than saying "the kid plays QB, he's earned the right to succeed or fail at his chosen position". 

 

People seem to understand that the intent wasn't malicious or prejudiced, so the announcer got a slap on the wrist (1 day) just to say "hey, pay attention to your words"

 

The reason there is not a uniform standard (white pitcher, white ball vs black football player, black ball) is because of societal context.  If that white pitcher heard remarks around the draft that maybe he should convert to first base because (*mumblemumble*) and lived in a social context where historically, talented white pitchers were denied the opportunity to be pitchers, then it would similar.   But we don't.

 

There probably is some "reverse racism" around sports - Don Beebe famously had a shirt that said "White Flash" because apparently he heard lots of doubts about whether his fast 40-time was legit that he felt he wouldn't have gotten if he had black skin.

[GG]

I'm guessing this kind of play analysis using vertically challenged players will be verboten too?

 

 

Quote

 

Texas Tech beat Texas by hiding its smallest player behind its biggest ones

 

...

It's a silly premise, but this screencap from the Auburn game should show you how effective it can be at obscuring an opponent's vision.

...

For Tech, Grant is the tiny guy. He's the shortest player on the roster and the second lightest, at 168 pounds. Texas didn't appear to see him, as its linemen and linebackers all ran the wrong way after the snap.

 

 

[Gugny]

53 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think what's being lost in all this is he may have a valid point, and the NFL ought to look at the impact of the Ravens uniform color. But because something that can't be changed got tossed in there (skin color), I doubt that will be reviewed.

 

Earlier this morning, I did google images searches for "Ravens 49ers 2019" and "Ravens Patriots 2019."  In both of those games, Ravens were wearing black.

 

I then expanded my search to other 2019 Ravens matchups and saw no identifiable trend, as far as uniform color vs. strength of opponent.

 

Seeing how they're on the road against a 9-3 Buffalo team, I'd think if they purposely chose to wear black vs. stronger opponents, they'd have done it here.

 

I don't know when, or how, uniform decisions are made, i.e. - which team gets to choose first.

[Say When...]

34 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I hate racism.  No tolerance for it what so ever.  I’ve cut people out of my life over comments I’ve found racist.  
 

BUT:  Can someone please explain to me when acknowledging the skin tone color of a person became racist?  
 

I mean, it’s a fact that Lamar and other black athletes skin tone is closer to the color of the ball than a caucasian player.  Why is it racist to make a comment that involves acknowledging this as true?  
 

People act like it’s shameful to acknowledge African Americans have a darker skin tone.  Makes no sense.  
 

Facts:  Lamar has a dark complexion.  The ball is dark brown.  Ravens jerseys are dark.  
 

More facts:  Read option involves a QB concealing a potential handoff, entire point is to conceal the ball.  
 

More facts:  The RBs involved in this particular read option offense are also African American with similar skin tone to Lamar and also wearing dark colored jerseys. 
 

More facts:  Lamar is fast as ****.  Lamar is explosive.  
 

More facts:  Even the camera crew is constantly struggling to figure out which direction the ball is going on read options because it’s just a difficult play to follow, especially when a team executes it at a high level.
 

Put that all that together, and it’s not hard to see how a sports commentator might say something like he did.  It was clearly not said with a racist undertone.  
 

Its 100% logical to think it’s slightly more difficult to follow the ball in a concealed read option play when Ravens are wearing their black jerseys with Lamar running it than say Josh Allen running it while we are wearing our white Jerseys.  And the comment was complimenting Lamar by saying he’s so explosive that even a fraction of a hesitation to locate the ball will make it too late to stop him.  
 

Sorry this was not racist.  Just wasn’t.  I do agree, that he does need to be more aware of the over corrected society we live in now and should have used a little more sensitivity in how he phrased the statement.  But it wasn’t a blatant racist comment and he shouldn’t be condemned for it, especially with no history of something like this.

 

i"m in total agreement with AD7 here, i think society is being overtly sensitive.

 

Heck i thought the same thing (minus skin color thought) but watching that game, all black uni's, darker than usual wet ball, bad weather and Lamar does have black armbands as well, the ball was very disguised.  if you were to go a step further then yes, skin tone would play into it.

 

let's not forget Browns nickname, and most of us (assuming the media does as well) know it's origination, so when we call him 'Smoke' are we all to be suspended?  labeled as a racist? 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

I doubt a majority actually found the statement "offensive". But I understand the root of what could make this annoying more than anything for people of color. 

 

People have been trying to chip away at Lamar since Day 1 and still continue to try. Whether it was that he should switch to WR or RB or that he just wasn't an NFL player to now where they're trying to say he's purely just a product of a gimmick offense to little things like this about the football meshing with his skin color. He doesn't fit the conditioned perception of a franchise QB. The intelligent, confident, leadership-exuding white guy. That's just the truth. It's in the same vein of how every time we draft a mid-round white offensive lineman, he gets labeled as a "hard-working, blue collar, lunch pail" player or the way a white utility player so often gets called "gritty" or a "grinder". These are pre-concieved biases that 100% exist. 

 

So no, I don't think this guy is a racist and I wouldn't have suspended him. But I can totally understand when not only black people but any fan of Lamar would hear that and roll their eyes and say "here we go again", as they see another attempt at him being chipped away at, whether that was a direct intention or not. 

[london_bills]

2 hours ago, jimmy10 said:

I agree. There should be a uniform standard of empathy and an ability to step outside of one’s own head to consider just for a second how words and actions may be hurtful to others. Instead, we get the old “well then, why can’t *I* say *this*?” as if that makes any damn sense at all. 
 

 

Absolutely. 

 

I think there should also be an acknowledgement of reality. 

 

Thurman Thomas and Jim Kelly do not look the same, part of the reason is skin tone. 

 

There should be the ability to mention an objective fact that someone's skin in a visual sense is darker than a whiter persons skin when making a visual point. The same applies to nfl uniforms but of course the emotion is not involved when discussing this. 

 

The 49ers guy expressed an opinion, argument based on an objective reality. 

 

Emotion should be considered but opinions and healthy discussion should not be outlawed due to emotion. 

[1ManRaid]

Even in today's outrage culture, odd to see that not just get a warning about sensitivity or whatever.  Straight to suspension.  Does he have a history of making similarly dumb comments?

 

Context is dead now.

[DrDawkinstein]

58 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

First off, general comment: I predicted to another mod this thread would be locked by the time I woke up this am.  Instead, I'm proud of my TBD peeps; there's been a good job of airing different views without going off the rails or expanding the scope.

 

 

Here, here. Was proud of how "on the rails" the thread was kept last night. And when I logged in this morning, my butthole puckered at the "8 notifications" indicated as I prepared myself for the worst.... But VERY PROUD of everyone here as the notifications were mostly for innocuous reactions and no quoted posts with flaming replies.

 

Good job, all. No matter what your viewpoint is. If the rest of the country could function like our bunch of dolts here, we'd be making some real progress.

[White Linen]

13 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

 

The point is dont say anything about skin color being any type of advantage or disadvantage, because it doesnt matter. Or at least not supposed to.

 

 

That's not the point.  Its that we're demanded to believe white skinned people have an advantage.  It's mandatory to believe that.  So the hypocrisy of simply pointing out as an advantage to a black person shouldn't be said?  

 

I'm not insinuating you believe its mandatory but I'm speaking of society in large.  That's what prompted my comment. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

49 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

So no, I don't think this guy is a racist and I wouldn't have suspended him. But I can totally understand when not only black people but any fan of Lamar would hear that and roll their eyes and say "here we go again", as they see another attempt at him being chipped away at, whether that was a direct intention or not. 

 

As far as I know, the guy hasn't been called a racist or suspended 1 day for racist remarks.  They basically said he was thoughtless with his words, and called him a man of high integrity who would do better going forward.  This is the team's statement about it:

 

 

Edit: adding link to SF Chronicle article reporting it

https://www.sfchronicle.com/49ers/article/49ers-suspend-broadcaster-Tim-Ryan-for-saying-14882642.php

Edited December 5, 2019 by Hapless Bills Fan
adding actual SF press article about suspension

[row_33]

31 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said:

Even in today's outrage culture, odd to see that not just get a warning about sensitivity or whatever.  Straight to suspension.  Does he have a history of making similarly dumb comments?

 

Context is dead now.

 

odd he wasn't fired and finished in announcing on the spot

[Gugny]

10 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Here, here. Was proud of how "on the rails" the thread was kept last night. And when I logged in this morning, my butthole puckered at the "8 notifications" indicated as I prepared myself for the worst.... But VERY PROUD of everyone here as the notifications were mostly for innocuous reactions and no quoted posts with flaming replies.

 

Good job, all. No matter what your viewpoint is. If the rest of the country could function like our bunch of dolts here, we'd be making some real progress.

 

Are you challenging me?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 minutes ago, White Linen said:

 

That's not the point.  Its that we're demanded to believe white skinned people have an advantage.  It's mandatory to believe that.  So the hypocrisy of simply pointing out as an advantage to a black person shouldn't be said?  

 

I'm not insinuating you believe its mandatory but I'm speaking of society in large.  That's what prompted my comment. 

 

It's really difficult to respond to this without broadening the terms of the discussion to society at large, which doesn't belong here.

 

I think the point is, in this instance, Lamar, as a star, Heisman-winning QB, faced a lot of pre-draft criticism and suggestions to change position that many black players and media members felt were spurred in part by racial bias in perceptions.  In that context, comments which appear to attribute his stunning success in part to skin color rather than his skill can seem like more of the same. 

 

The valid point that maybe the lack of contrast made the ball even harder for the 49ers to see could have been made (and perhaps more effectively) without it.

[row_33]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

 

 

The valid point that maybe the lack of contrast made the ball even harder for the 49ers to see could have been made (and perhaps more effectively) without it.

 

like when Jim Thorpe's team showed up with football decals sewn on the front of their jerseys?

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 minutes ago, row_33 said:

like when Jim Thorpe's team showed up with football decals sewn on the front of their jerseys?

 

I think I'm "older than dirt" but that incident predates me

 

8 minutes ago, row_33 said:

odd he wasn't fired and finished in announcing on the spot

 

Maybe he wasn't fired and finished in announcing on the spot because context is not dead?  Just a thought.

[row_33]

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think I'm "older than dirt" but that incident predates me

 

i had the 100 Great Stories of Football when a kid, i think it was written in 1950

 

another was the home team back in the day provided the doctors for pro football until one day the doctor stitched an injured visiting player's tongue to his cheek

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, row_33 said:

i had the 100 Great Stories of Football when a kid, i think it was written in 1950

another was the home team back in the day provided the doctors for pro football until one day the doctor stitched an injured visiting player's tongue to his cheek

 

Ouch

[row_33]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Ouch

 

rumour was the Montreal Canadiens were allowed to open their bench door onto the ice, sometimes hitting the opposing players in stride, allowed to do this until around 1975.

 

and the Flying Wedge in college football killed so many that Teddy Roosevelt threatened to ban football

 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

52 minutes ago, White Linen said:

 

That's not the point.  Its that we're demanded to believe white skinned people have an advantage.  It's mandatory to believe that.  So the hypocrisy of simply pointing out as an advantage to a black person shouldn't be said?  

 

I'm not insinuating you believe its mandatory but I'm speaking of society in large.  That's what prompted my comment. 

 

But there ARE certain types of people that have an advantage. There's a reason why the workforce looks the way it does. Whether it's in sports or any business, why do you think the percentage of minorities and females in C-Suite/executive roles is still so low?

 

It's almost crazy and incredibly dismissive based on cold hard facts to say certain people in society haven't been given an advantage. That's not to take away the hard work of white males, but the same hard work could have been put in by minorities and women that just haven't been shown the same opportunities. 

 

Even keeping it purely in sports...look at the way males have been coaching in the WNBA or other female sports, but no women have been hired as head coaches in any of the big pro leagues. Becky Hammon has been an assistant for Greg Popovich for years and has gotten all kinds of accolades...but nobody wants to be that first time that tries this "experiment" of having the first female coach. There are also a few high-ranking female executives in sports that have continuously gotten turned down for GM roles. Meanwhile we see the same recycled failed coaches and GM's that are males get hired over and over and over again. It took a while for minority males to even join that club.

 

You or other people may not want to hear that there are people of advantage in this country and life, but it's simply not true. 

Edited December 5, 2019 by HomeskillitMoorman

[Rocky Landing]

I will say this: San Francisco did fall for the play fake over, and over again, as did I, watching the game.