YoloinOhio Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 (edited) Pretty sure the word was Lamar wasn’t even on their board Edited December 4, 2019 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Pretty sure the word was Lamar wasn’t even on their board I'm trying to figure out why Twitter has this tabbed as "potentially sensitive material" and why Dan Kadars thinks this is some kind of sensitive material? McDermott and Beane wanted a pocket passer. They didn't want to tailor an offense to Tyrod Tailor, and they didn't want to tailor an offense for Lamar Jackson. McDermott doesn't want to say anything bad implying that Lamar can't function as a pocket passer, which like Russ Wilson, is a trait he may develop. Why is this so sensitive? I swear people looking for controversy. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Pretty sure the word was Lamar wasn’t even on their board So much of this is hersay... The Bills DID meet with Lamar at the combine and people are trying to stir up controversy 5 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 On the draft thing, in context, it was clear Jackson was talking about a pre-draft visit or private workout. The Bills did not have him in on a pre-draft visit or set up a private workout with him. He said he had met with the Bills at the Combine. https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2018/4/25/17281012/lamar-jackson-i-have-not-met-with-the-buffalo-bills-2018-nfl-draft-quarterback " What makes the situation even more confusing is that Jackson himself previously stated that he met with Bills brass during the NFL Combine in February. The Combine meeting was extensive enough for the quarterback to have to watch film and draw up plays on the white board. So, either Jackson doesn’t consider an NFL Combine interview to be a “meeting” or he simply forgot. " So both McDermott and Lamar Jackson are speaking the truth (in context). There is no controversy here. 7 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 It seems to me 30 other teams passed on Lamar as well....even the great and venerable Hoody. Some folks need to put their Twitter on pause and think about the asinine comments. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 IDGAF 5 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 The real test will be 2-3 years from now. Will Jackson go the way of other mobile QBs like RG3 and Kaep, wherein defenses figure out how to stop them -- or will he continue to develop and evolve as an upper echelon QB (a la Russell Wilson)? 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 4, 2019 Author Share Posted December 4, 2019 16 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said: It seems to me 30 other teams passed on Lamar as well....even the great and venerable Hoody. Some folks need to put their Twitter on pause and think about the asinine comments. I think the point was that there were certain teams that “really” passed on him who obviously were going to take a QB - Cleveland, jets, cards, bills. When that pic that was circulated of the Bills pre-draft QB board, he was not on it. I wonder if they shied away from considering him with that huge decision because he couldn’t be brought in for a workout or meeting at the facility because he didn’t have an agent and his mom didn’t answer the phone. I could see McD being so process oriented that he couldn’t fathom only getting a 15 min convo at the combine and using that to make the biggest decision of their tenure. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 21 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I swear people looking for controversy. Between this and the Peloton commercial who even has time for impeachment hearings ? 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Yeah, They underestimated him too 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 21 minutes ago, ProcessAccepted said: Between this and the Peloton commercial who even has time for impeachment hearings ? I was aware of the stupid Peloton commercial because it's been playing on Hulu, but I didn't know there was a controversy. I had to Google it. Thanks for that moment of entertainment. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Wait.....is somebody trying to create some drama? The bills were in on Josh Allen from the beginning......there IMHO was NO other QB that they wanted or ranked as highly.....and they were right to do so. I am happy for Lamar Jackson and I liked him before the draft.......but were good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Both QBs are in the exact right situations for their careers. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: I think the point was that there were certain teams that “really” passed on him who obviously were going to take a QB - Cleveland, jets, cards, bills. When that pic that was circulated of the Bills pre-draft QB board, he was not on it. I wonder if they shied away from considering him with that huge decision because he couldn’t be brought in for a workout or meeting at the facility because he didn’t have an agent and his mom didn’t answer the phone. I could see McD being so process oriented that he couldn’t fathom only getting a 15 min convo at the combine and using that to make the biggest decision of their tenure. I missed this "pic of the Bills pre-draft QB board" thing. Can you say more please? Do we have any evidence that the Bills wanted to bring him i for a pre-draft workout or meeting and couldn't? When Baltimore made up their minds to draft Lamar, the word is that Harbaugh laid it out: "if we draft him, we're going to tailor our offense for him and build around him". And they did. There was a guy here who was sharing a bunch of Instagram videos with me from Lamar Jackson that were very strange. They didn't entirely make sense pre-draft unless Lamar and his mother were in fact trying to see that he fell a bit and went to the "right" team, an established team that would build around him and give him his best shot. They may have been crazy like foxes. I think McD wanted a QB who could develop as a pocket passer. I believe they (and Allen!) had no idea he would be able to run as successfully in the NFL as he does; they were looking at him as the high-ceiling boom-or-bust pocket passer they could maneuver high enough in the draft to snag. I think earlier this season, Daboll had firm instructions to push Allen's development as a passing QB and limit his runs. It wasn't until they lost the Browns game (a game they should have run) that it became "Play Fearless". I agree that McDermott had a closed mind about drafting Lamar Jackson, but I believe the lock on the closed door was "not our best choice as a pocket passer - move along". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzfan37 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 1 hour ago, BringBackFergy said: It seems to me 30 other teams passed on Lamar as well....even the great and venerable Hoody. Some folks need to put their Twitter on pause and think about the asinine comments. Isn't he also still a second year QB? Does anyone remember the 2015 version of Nick Foles? An offensive coordinator got hot with Foles. Greg Roman (who we all know is limited) is HOT right now with Lamar Jackson. Foles had 25 touchdowns to 2 - that's right, only TWO interceptions in a season with a hot offensive coordinator. Let me remind you that Foles was just benched for Gardner Minchew. Lamar will come down to earth, and when he does, there will be flashes of LAST year's playoff Lamar Jackson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 1 hour ago, LeGOATski said: I was aware of the stupid Peloton commercial because it's been playing on Hulu, but I didn't know there was a controversy. I had to Google it. Thanks for that moment of entertainment. ? I just did the same! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 4, 2019 Author Share Posted December 4, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I missed this "pic of the Bills pre-draft QB board" thing. Can you say more please? Do we have any evidence that the Bills wanted to bring him i for a pre-draft workout or meeting and couldn't? The leaked pic was taken by someone who provided Bills credentials and made the rounds on both twitter and this board multiple times, though I don’t have it saved to post here. The Reports were that teams in general were having a difficult time getting ahold of Lamar Jackson to schedule predraft meetings because he didn’t have an agent . So either the Bills couldn’t get ahold of him, or chose not bring him in. They brought in every other QB (and flew out to see Sam). https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/04/05/lamar-jackson-continues-to-be-a-tough-guy-to-track-down/ Edited December 4, 2019 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 We drafted the wrong Josh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: The leaked pic was taken by someone who provided Bills credentials and made the rounds on both twitter and this board multiple times, though I don’t have it saved to post here. The Reports were that teams in general were having a difficult time getting ahold of Lamar Jackson to schedule predraft meetings because he didn’t have an agent. Either the Bills couldn’t get ahold of him, or chose not bring him in. They brought in every other QB (and flew out to see Sam) Oh, I'm hosed then - I can never find anything when I search the archives here. Though if you remember someone who posted it I may be able to pull it that way. I remember those reports, also remember Lamar's camp denying that. It actually wouldn't surprise me if his mother and he made a strategic decision that they didn't want him going to just any team, especially to a bad team that was drafting high. Coming off a playoff win and having to trade up, though, I would have thought they'd at least want to talk to the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Who cares? That Hamburg dude.....LMAO. Loser. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Jackson fumbled the football 25 times in 3 years of college ball. I think he is due for a 2 fumble day. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 1 hour ago, 2003Contenders said: The real test will be 2-3 years from now. Will Jackson go the way of other mobile QBs like RG3 and Kaep, wherein defenses figure out how to stop them -- or will he continue to develop and evolve as an upper echelon QB (a la Russell Wilson)? ..that my friend is a dead on assessment and a fair one....nicely done...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stosh64 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Who is this clown of a troll Allen hater and why post his drivel? He posted this describing himself. Quote Overthrowing receivers, all over Western New York The moron even tweeted this, just another ignorant Allen hater, **** him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poleshifter Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said: Who cares? That Hamburg dude.....LMAO. Loser. Looks like the Hamburg dude has a Throw over his head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 4, 2019 Author Share Posted December 4, 2019 7 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said: Who cares? That Hamburg dude.....LMAO. Loser. That twitter handle though “Hamburg Overhead Throws ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 30 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I missed this "pic of the Bills pre-draft QB board" thing. Can you say more please? 11 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Oh, I'm hosed then - I can never find anything when I search the archives here. Though if you remember someone who posted it I may be able to pull it that way. I posted it at one point in time I'll try to dig it up... Hope this works: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 4, 2019 Author Share Posted December 4, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, section122 said: I posted it at one point in time I'll try to dig it up... Hope this works: Wow you are resourceful - that is it! I’ve always kind of taken it with a grain of salt given it comes from Twitter but hard not to think it’s real. 4/9 was indeed the day that Baker visited. Edited December 4, 2019 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Wow you are resourceful - that is it! I’ve always kind of taken it with a grain of salt given it comes from Twitter but hard not to think it’s real. 4/9 was indeed the day that Baker visited. Yeah I missed it originally but someone mentioned it in passing previously and I remembered finding it on Reddit. Googled Reddit Bills QB Draft Board Leak and found it. The proposed trade with Denver was confirmed as the deal that was in place if Chubb didn't fall which lends even more credence to the rumor. Given how the draft played out (confirmation bias I know) I think even more that it was true. I am shocked this wasn't a bigger story pre-draft as it could have wrecked their plans! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Wow you are resourceful - that is it! I’ve always kind of taken it with a grain of salt given it comes from Twitter but hard not to think it’s real. 4/9 was indeed the day that Baker visited. I think it’s real as well. Frightening to think Kyle Lauletta was ranked higher than LJ but if it all works out, oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 4, 2019 Author Share Posted December 4, 2019 Just now, FireChans said: I think it’s real as well. Frightening to think Kyle Lauletta was ranked higher than LJ but if it all works out, oh well. I just think (if board is accurate) that LJ wasn’t on their board at all. And I don’t think it was his ability or film... but rather that they were unable to get a full assessment of him (details, process, etc being so key to them) , and without that they were uncomfortable making that monumental of a franchise-altering decision without it. Which - I completely respect and agree with. I would have done the same thing. Maybe they wouldn’t have taken him regardless but it just seems like it would be deal breaker to not have been able to dissect every piece of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I just think (if board is accurate) that LJ wasn’t on their board at all. And I don’t think it was his ability or film... but rather that they were unable to get a full assessment of him (details, process, etc being so key to them) , and without that they were uncomfortable making that monumental of a franchise-altering decision without it. Which - I completely respect and agree with. I would have done the same thing. Maybe they wouldn’t have taken him regardless but it just seems like it would be deal breaker to not have been able to dissect every piece of him. I get what you’re saying, but let’s say 4 QB’s go before the Bills pick. What are they gonna do, trade up for Rudolph in the first? Pass on QB and pass on Lamar at the end of the first to take Rudolph in the second? LJ almost fell out of the first round. If the board didn’t go the way it did, we could have ended up looking REALLY silly. I get that’s how it works, how much that draft changed the course of the NFL. Edited December 4, 2019 by FireChans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st&ten Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I think the point was that there were certain teams that “really” passed on him who obviously were going to take a QB - Cleveland, jets, cards, bills. When that pic that was circulated of the Bills pre-draft QB board, he was not on it. I wonder if they shied away from considering him with that huge decision because he couldn’t be brought in for a workout or meeting at the facility because he didn’t have an agent and his mom didn’t answer the phone. I could see McD being so process oriented that he couldn’t fathom only getting a 15 min convo at the combine and using that to make the biggest decision of their tenure. Your right Yolo, I remember seeing that pic of the Bills board. I wonder if McD & company felt that the fan base wasn't ready for a running type OB. Tyrod provided many exciting moments but his lack of passing & scoring points wore out his welcome with many fans. They might have thought better to get a more pure passer type QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 4, 2019 Author Share Posted December 4, 2019 8 minutes ago, FireChans said: I get what you’re saying, but let’s say 4 QB’s go before the Bills pick. What are they gonna do, trade up for Rudolph in the first? Pass on QB and pass on Lamar at the end of the first to take Rudolph in the second? LJ almost fell out of the first round. If the board didn’t go the way it did, we could have ended up looking REALLY silly. I get that’s how it works, how much that draft changed the course of the NFL. It’s my opinion only that they would have taken Rudolph - gahhhhh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Just now, YoloinOhio said: It’s my opinion only that they would have taken Rudolph - gahhhhh Imagine passing on Mahomes, Watson, and LJ for Rudolph. i think I’d quit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 4, 2019 Author Share Posted December 4, 2019 1 minute ago, 1st&ten said: Your right Yolo, I remember seeing that pic of the Bills board. I wonder if McD & company felt that the fan base wasn't ready for a running type OB. Tyrod provided many exciting moments but his lack of passing & scoring points wore out his welcome with many fans. They might have thought better to get a more pure passer type QB. Even today, seeing how well Lamar is doing, I am glad we took Allen instead. He’s the perfect fit for our team imo and is going to keep evolving. Jmo 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig1Hunter Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Lamar went to the right spot. Josh went to the right spot. Congrats to both of them. Everyone wins. End of story. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Wait so now we are the only team that passed on both Mahomes AND Lamar?!?!?! IM OUTRAGED! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 4, 2019 Author Share Posted December 4, 2019 1 minute ago, DJB said: Wait so now we are the only team that passed on both Mahomes AND Lamar?!?!?! IM OUTRAGED! Don’t forget Russ ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Don’t forget Russ ? And Brady?!?! What a catastrophe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offyourocker Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 I think that Lamar success will fizzle out. I don't see their scheme sustainable long term. I know they are on really hot streak now but that has happened many time before in history. Griffin III being an example. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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