Does McD survive this year?

[dave mcbride]

Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

Exactly.

 

Has he not played enough football in his life to understand there may need to be an adjustment to a deep ball in 25 mph gales? 

 

I didn’t understand what he was doing at all on that play. 

He was running a go route and expected to take it to the house given how open he was. Also, given that the wind was at his back and Allen almost always badly overthrows his deep balls, why would he expect it to land short? I don't blame him for the play. 

[Bangarang]

2 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

I am not surprised at the Singletary touches. He had 10 touches total, the first two games of the season. 10 touches after coming back from injury over 2 games. I think Singelary is a good change of pace back not a workhorse. Sort of a combination between Spiller and McCoy.

 

This issue isn't that DS is not getting touches, the issue is we don't have a great stable of backs or a feature back like Shady. 

 

 

You don’t take a RB in the 3rd round if you only want to use him as a change of pace runner who gets minimal touches. That’s just stupid.

[Z-Mann]

I feel like he will be canned after next year.  The Bills are showing us who they are after about half the season, at what point do we believe what we are seeing?  They are a team that finds ways to win against bad teams, coin flip against "ok" teams, and has a high probability of losing against good teams.  Playing the schedule game...

• Washington - Win
• Browns - Loss
• Dolphins - Win
• Broncos - Win
• Cowboys - Loss
• Ravens - Loss
• Steelers - Loss (or win this game but lose Broncos game)
• Patriots - Loss
• Jets - Win

Final record 9-7, miss the playoffs, Allen looks about the same that he does now.  Coach keeps his job (and he should), OC is potentially fired.  They go into next year facing a tougher schedule and potentially a new offensive system, Allen does not progress as much as we would like, they go 5-11, Coach is fired after four seasons and one playoff appearance.

 

I HOPE I AM WRONG.  But this staff is going to live and die with Allen, and I feel like they *think* they can continue to win games 17-14, with a strong defense and a limited offense. We have seen this thinking dating back to his first year as coach & Tyrod, and this season has given me no reason to think differently.  The lagging indicators look great - they are WINNING.  But the leading indicators and looking beyond the winning...I just do not feel like the winning can be sustained with the upcoming schedule and their playing style.  

 

Hope I am wrong....

Edited October 28, 2019 by Z-Mann

[MAJBobby]

10 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

First off, I don't know if one loss requires "righting the ship"

 

Secondly, I wouldn't call an 18 points loss a blowout 

I would call losing by 3 scores a blowout

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

He was running a go route and expected to take it to the house given how open he was. Also, given that the wind was at his back and Allen almost always badly overthrows his deep balls, why would he expect it to land short? I don't blame him for the play. 

 

Shouldn't expect anything.

 

Should track and adjust to a ball that’s in the air for 4 seconds and at least attempt to make a play on it.  Sometime it even meaning fighting through coverage. 

 

Im not blaming him for anything, but it shows why he’s not much of a deep ball threat despite his speed. 

[whatdrought]

2 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

Let me start off by saying not a chicken little thread and I know that we are 5-2 and still have a favorable schedule to get to the playoffs. But that also goes to what I am about to say. 
 

Let’s say the Bills do not right the ship. If this season goes like seasons in the past of collapsing down the stretch after a 5-1 now 5-2 start does McD survive?  
 

With all the talk of the DNA and Standards and Process you you think McD survives a Bills collapse?  
 

BTW add another Blowout loss to the McD resume. 

 

If you have to say it's not a chicken little thread, it's probably a chicken little thread...

 

[london_bills]

11 minutes ago, Z-Mann said:

I feel like he will be canned after next year.  The Bills are showing us who they are after about half the season, at what point do we believe what we are seeing?  They are a team that finds ways to win against bad teams, coin flip against "ok" teams, and has a high probability of losing against good teams.  Playing the schedule game...

• Washington - Win
• Browns - Loss
• Dolphins - Win
• Broncos - Win
• Cowboys - Loss
• Ravens - Loss
• Steelers - Loss (or win this game but lose Broncos game)
• Patriots - Loss
• Jets - Win

Final record 9-7, miss the playoffs, Allen looks about the same that he does now.  Coach keeps his job (and he should), OC is potentially fired.  They go into next year facing a tougher schedule and potentially a new offensive system, Allen does not progress as much as we would like, they go 5-11, Coach is fired after four seasons and one playoff appearance.

 

I HOPE I AM WRONG.  But this staff is going to live and die with Allen, and I feel like they *think* they can continue to win games 17-14, with a strong defense and a limited offense. We have seen this thinking dating back to his first year as coach & Tyrod, and this season has given me no reason to think differently.  The lagging indicators look great - they are WINNING.  But the leading indicators and looking beyond the winning...I just do not feel like the winning can be sustained with the upcoming schedule and their playing style.  

 

Hope I am wrong....

'They are a team that finds ways to win against bad teams, coin flip against "ok" teams, and has a high probability of losing against good teams.'

 

You are totally right with this.

I cannot think of a big signature win under McDermott against a BETTER team. Maybe Minnesota, that's it.

 

if we keep beating the bad teams he will keep his job but we do lose to the better teams and there will be a point where this starts to be highlighted.

 

WE LOSE TO THE BETTER QBS AND BETTER COACHES. 

 

(The browns game is one this bills could win).

Edited October 28, 2019 by london_bills

[MAJBobby]

Just now, whatdrought said:

 

If you have to say it's not a chicken little thread, it's probably a chicken little thread...

 

Or I have to say it because I know how a majority of this board will react to a question that is being critical of the HC.

[whatdrought]

Just now, MAJBobby said:

Or I have to say it because I know how a majority of this board will react to a question that is being critical of the HC.

 

Well, yeah.. Cause you're asking a sensationalist question that is based on a huge hypothetical while the whole board is reeling from an emotional loss... Just because you dress it up, doesn't mean it's any less pointless. 

[london_bills]

Just now, whatdrought said:

 

Well, yeah.. Cause you're asking a sensationalist question that is based on a huge hypothetical while the whole board is reeling from an emotional loss... Just because you dress it up, doesn't mean it's any less pointless. 

5-2 record is great but we've been really poor since the bye. That falls on coaching.

 

Although there has been good there has been bad and we could have lost at least one other game realistically. I'm sorry but we DO NOT KNOW if this is a good team now even though the record is good at this point. 

 

[Z-Mann]

3 minutes ago, london_bills said:

'They are a team that finds ways to win against bad teams, coin flip against "ok" teams, and has a high probability of losing against good teams.'

 

You are totally right with this.

I cannot think of a big signature win under McDermott against a BETTER team. Maybe Minnesota, that's it.

 

if we keep beating the bad teams he will keep his job but we do lose to the better teams and there will be a point where this starts to be highlighted.

 

WE LOSE TO THE BETTER QBS AND BETTER COACHES. 

 

(The browns game is one this bills could win).

Agree, I can see them winning or losing the Browns game.  I still feel like the Patriots will have something to play for, whether it's a 1 seed or undefeated season, so that's a loss.  I just feel like the Browns game is going to be a critical one, especially if they split against the Steelers and Broncos.  If they can win two of those three games, I feel like they have a shot at 10 wins and a playoff spot....

[MAJBobby]

Just now, whatdrought said:

 

Well, yeah.. Cause you're asking a sensationalist question that is based on a huge hypothetical while the whole board is reeling from an emotional loss... Just because you dress it up, doesn't mean it's any less pointless. 

 

Emotional Loss?  They were outplayed and outcoached and their Defense that has all the assets on it just gashed for 218 on the ground in a game everyone knew they were running, so to ask a question about the Coach that is grounded in History is not pointless.

 

How would this team be right now if
 

NYJ could kick or dont lose Mosley?

If Josh doesnt complete the Comback against Bengals?

If Tenn could Kick?

If Fitz doesnt throw a pick on the 2?

 

[Buffalo03]

16 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

I would call losing by 3 scores a blowout

If we lost 17-0, would that be a blowout?

[Mango]

16 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

You don’t take a RB in the 3rd round if you only want to use him as a change of pace runner who gets minimal touches. That’s just stupid.

 

Unsure if you are talking to me or McBeane, because that is exactly what seems to be happening. He has 20 carries over 4 games. We are way down on rushing attempts this yea. It is odd. Taking out any Allen rushes, we averaged about 22.5 carries per game in 2018, we are at about 18.5 on average this year. 

[MAJBobby]

Just now, Buffalo03 said:

If we lost 17-0, would that be a blowout?

That would b a three score loss right?  And it would be even worse because they are shut out

[Bob in STL]

Yesterdays loss has sparked a lot of negativity.  A collapse would mean 8-8 and I still think we can win 10 games with this team against this schedule.

 

Terry and Kim must be tired of making coaching changes.  McD will continue to be the coach for a few more seasons at least. 

[whatdrought]

2 minutes ago, london_bills said:

5-2 record is great but we've been really poor since the bye. That falls on coaching.

 

Although there has been good there has been bad and we could have lost at least one other game realistically. I'm sorry but we DO NOT KNOW if this is a good team now even though the record is good at this point. 

 

 

2-1 since the bye with a loss to the team that won the Superbowl two years ago.. In fact, our only losses are against the most recent SB winners.

 

You also don't know if they are a bad team. You don't know anything except what the record says.. which is 5-2.

 

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Emotional Loss?  They were outplayed and outcoached and their Defense that has all the assets on it just gashed for 218 on the ground in a game everyone knew they were running, so to ask a question about the Coach that is grounded in History is not pointless.

 

How would this team be right now if
 

NYJ could kick or dont lose Mosley?

If Josh doesnt complete the Comback against Bengals?

If Tenn could Kick?

If Fitz doesnt throw a pick on the 2?

 

 

 

Yes. Emotional loss. Emotions are high after that loss.. Why is that confusing? 

 

Oh cool! More "what ifs" on top of your hypothetical.

 

I have a couple too...

 

What if Josh Allen doesn't throw those interceptions vs. NE. What if he doesn't get hurt. What if he doesn't fumble that football against the Eagles. What if Hyde doesn't take a bad angle on the Sanders run. What if we had drafted Tom Brady. What if we had traded for Bill Bellicheck. What if the earth was flat. What if we're actually in the matrix?

 

I get where you're coming from, and you're entitled to whatever opinion you desire and I'm not faulting you that at all... That being said, you might want to find an umbrella cause your "not a chicken little" post is coming across a little "sky is probably falling". 

 

[Happy]

11 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Or I have to say it because I know how a majority of this board will react to a question that is being critical of the HC.

 

Which is too bad that some have blinders on; after the past two weeks, McD and his staff need to be questioned.  You can't beat (and in some cases barely) bad to mediocre teams and loose to good to decent teams (albeit Philly is struggling) and not be questioned.  

 

4 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

If we lost 17-0, would that be a blowout?

 

Yes, that would be a blowout

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Of the eleven ? that the OP gathered in the initial post as of 11:45 am, I would think the majority are not ‘laughing with you’.

Edited October 28, 2019 by Ridgewaycynic2013

[Buffalo03]

3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

That would b a three score loss right?  And it would be even worse because they are shut out

It is 3 scores yes, but I wouldn't say we got blown out losing 17-0. To me 4 or 5 scores is a blowout. Like when we lost by 37 to the Saints in 2017, or losing by 30 the next week to the Chargers or the 44 point loss we had to the Ravens in the season opener last year. 31-13 isn't a blowout

[auburnbillsbacker]

The Bills are fools if they fire Sean McDermott.  I'm so sick of building a roster just to have it torn down by a new head coach.  It would be a different story if McDermott wasn't competent, but almost everyone acknowledges that he is a quality coach.  If the Bills make the playoffs this year than this season has been a tremendous success.  The overall talent of the roster is mediocre.  With 88 million to spend next off season the Bills will be true contenders in 2020.  

[MAJBobby]

Just now, whatdrought said:

 

2-1 since the bye with a loss to the team that won the Superbowl two years ago.. In fact, our only losses are against the most recent SB winners.

 

You also don't know if they are a bad team. You don't know anything except what the record says.. which is 5-2.

 

 

 

Yes. Emotional loss. Emotions are high after that loss.. Why is that confusing? 

 

Oh cool! More "what ifs" on top of your hypothetical.

 

I have a couple too...

 

What if Josh Allen doesn't throw those interceptions vs. NE. What if he doesn't get hurt. What if he doesn't fumble that football against the Eagles. What if Hyde doesn't take a bad angle on the Sanders run. What if we had drafted Tom Brady. What if we had traded for Bill Bellicheck. What if the earth was flat. What if we're actually in the matrix?

 

I get where you're coming from, and you're entitled to whatever opinion you desire and I'm not faulting you that at all... That being said, you might want to find an umbrella cause your "not a chicken little" post is coming across a little "sky is probably falling". 

 

 

Then I would venture to say that those people that look at this as a Sky is falling post and NOT just a simple hypothetical question (want me to point at all the Hypothetical Posts on this board), really should get some thicker skin.  

 

For Bills fans claiming to be "blue collar, hard working underdog fan base" they do have some thin skin

[Happy]

2 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

Yesterdays loss has sparked a lot of negativity.  A collapse would mean 8-8 and I still think we can win 10 games with this team against this schedule.

 

Terry and Kim must be tired of making coaching changes.  McD will continue to be the coach for a few more seasons at least. 

 

That is their fault.  Shouldn't have hired Rex. 

I agree that McD will be here through his contract, at least.

[MAJBobby]

Just now, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Of the eleven ? that the OP gathered in the initial post as of 11:45 am, I would think the majority are not ‘laughing with you’.

And that would show the Homer-ism on this board, that you cant be critical of the almighty McD

Just now, Buffalo03 said:

It is 3 scores yes, but I wouldn't say we got blown out losing 17-0. To me 4 or 5 scores is a blowout. Like when we lost by 37 to the Saints in 2017, or losing by 30 the next week to the Chargers or the 44 point loss we had to the Ravens in the season opener last year. 31-13 isn't a blowout

then what is 31-13 a close game LOL

[Socal-805]

 

 

IF - the Bils playing the NFC West next year - regress and/or Allen flops in his 3rd year and/or the Bills go 6-10 ?  Hmmm  

[Bob in STL]

2 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

That is their fault.  Shouldn't have hired Rex. 

I agree that McD will be here through his contract, at least.

 

Agree.  They listened to Brandon, big mistake. 

[Buffalo03]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

And that would show the Homer-ism on this board, that you cant be critical of the almighty McD

then what is 31-13 a close game LOL

It's not exactly close but it's not a "blowout"

[DCOrange]

Come on OP.

[MAJBobby]

Just now, Buffalo03 said:

It's not exactly close but it's not a "blowout"

three scores and 218 yards given up on the ground yep blowout

Just now, DCOrange said:

Come on OP.

Where are we going?

[DCOrange]

Just now, MAJBobby said:

Where are we going?

 

into the 2020 season with McDermott as the head coach.

[whatdrought]

5 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Then I would venture to say that those people that look at this as a Sky is falling post and NOT just a simple hypothetical question (want me to point at all the Hypothetical Posts on this board), really should get some thicker skin.  

 

For Bills fans claiming to be "blue collar, hard working underdog fan base" they do have some thin skin

 

 

Ah yes... The ones with the thin skins are definitely those who see your post for what it is... 

[MAJBobby]

Just now, DCOrange said:

 

into the 2020 season with McDermott as the head coach.

OK Cool

[GunnerBill]

Yes he does. This team will still win 9 games minimum it has a cupcake schedule. But if there is a big regression next year against tougher opponents then he might be in bother. 

[london_bills]

2 minutes ago, Z-Mann said:

Agree, I can see them winning or losing the Browns game.  I still feel like the Patriots will have something to play for, whether it's a 1 seed or undefeated season, so that's a loss.  I just feel like the Browns game is going to be a critical one, especially if they split against the Steelers and Broncos.  If they can win two of those three games, I feel like they have a shot at 10 wins and a playoff spot....

Yeah. I feel like the cowboys, ravens and Steelers games are tests. Steelers record isn't great but would still be a good win away.

[MAJBobby]

Just now, whatdrought said:

 

 

Ah yes... The ones with the thin skins are definitely those who see your post for what it is... 

And what is it?  a Hypothetical question gauging the fans bases thoughts on a coaching staff?

[PatsFanNH]

5 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

That is their fault.  Shouldn't have hired Rex. 

I agree that McD will be here through his contract, at least.

I am asking ONLY.. but hasn’t McD earned a little bit of leeway since he broke the 19 year? Drought of not being in the playoffs and probably getting them there again this year? So 2/3 years in the big dance isn’t bad. And doing it with a 2nd year QB pretty good as Well..  

[BritBill]

It’s the time of year when all the lunatics turn crazy.

[row_33]

yeah, unless he posts something totally abominable on twitter

 

[Luka]

2 hours ago, Chris66 said:

Are you saying Allen isnt smart enough to run this offense because the Pats have been dominating with this offense for almost 2 decades

 

Uh... what? Daboll is somehow getting credit for the GOAT's production? Funny, McDaniels tried that to and crashed and burned.

 

2012 Chiefs: 32nd ranked offense.

2011 Dolphins: 20th ranked offense.

2010 Browns: 31st ranked offense.

2009 Browns: 29th ranked offense.

 

Daboll is a fraud. His only successful stint as an OC was with Bama and that had a lot more to do with Bama being Bama.

[whatdrought]

5 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

And what is it?  a Hypothetical question gauging the fans bases thoughts on a coaching staff?

 

See below. 

 

30 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

If you have to say it's not a chicken little thread, it's probably a chicken little thread...