PromoTheRobot Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Blaming the coaches more right now. https://www.nj.com/giants/2019/10/wfans-mike-francesa-trashes-pat-shurmur-giants-for-sickening-loss-to-cardinals-they-are-complete-losers.html I know that Jones is young may still pan out. I'm really just mocking the breathless talking heads on ESPN who declared Jones the real deal after one win. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 I wonder if Stephen A. Smith still thinks he's a franchise QB? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Just now, PromoTheRobot said: Blaming the coaches more right now. https://www.nj.com/giants/2019/10/wfans-mike-francesa-trashes-pat-shurmur-giants-for-sickening-loss-to-cardinals-they-are-complete-losers.html I know that Jones is young may still pan out. I'm really just mocking the breathless talking heads on ESPN who declared Jones the real deal after one win. Uhhhhh, you're only allowed to address him as "Danny Dimes" now. Please show reverence. Sheesh. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Blaming the coaches more right now. https://www.nj.com/giants/2019/10/wfans-mike-francesa-trashes-pat-shurmur-giants-for-sickening-loss-to-cardinals-they-are-complete-losers.html I know that Jones is young may still pan out. I'm really just mocking the breathless talking heads on ESPN who declared Jones the real deal after one win. You are spot on. Folks are so quick to crown these kids, or throw them into the trash heap. I prefer listening to the former QBs and coaches who usually have a more nuanced expectation around these young signal callers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 From the part of that game I saw yesterday, you can't judge Jones either way. The Giants could not figure out any protection; Jones was getting hammered on every play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 7 minutes ago, KD in CA said: From the part of that game I saw yesterday, you can't judge Jones either way. The Giants could not figure out any protection; Jones was getting hammered on every play. Yeah, Chandler Jones had 4 sacks by himself and the team had 8 overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 I think Pat Shurmur is the bigger problem in that franchise. He's a terrible coach...making terrible decisions, the biggest one giving Jones the David Carr "let's get sacked until your ribs collapse" experience. They ask Jones to make Eli Manning throws instead of giving him plays that will build confidence. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, dpberr said: I think Pat Shurmur is the bigger problem in that franchise. He's a terrible coach...making terrible decisions, the biggest one giving Jones the David Carr "let's get sacked until your ribs collapse" experience. They ask Jones to make Eli Manning throws instead of giving him plays that will build confidence. This is completely out of the blue and I am asking you, dpberr, because you brought up coaching and made me think about it. Forgive the brief thread hijack...I thought Flores did a good job yesterday and I think he has been given an absolute raw deal in Miami by the administration. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lofton80 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 The Giants have bigger problems the Daniel Jones. He got sacked 8 times and was under constant pressure. Falling behind 14-0 was not a great position to be in 5 minutes into the game. Seriously, trying to block Chandler Jones with a receiving TE was a disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: This is completely out of the blue and I am asking you, dpberr, because you brought up coaching and made me think about it. Forgive the brief thread hijack...I thought Flores did a good job yesterday and I think he has been given an absolute raw deal in Miami by the administration. Thoughts? I think Shurmur has a chance to become an offensive coordinator after the Giants fire him... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven-N-Nine Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 It's New York City, everything there is over the top and out of control... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 37 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Blaming the coaches more right now. https://www.nj.com/giants/2019/10/wfans-mike-francesa-trashes-pat-shurmur-giants-for-sickening-loss-to-cardinals-they-are-complete-losers.html I know that Jones is young may still pan out. I'm really just mocking the breathless talking heads on ESPN who declared Jones the real deal after one win. I honestly think the best thing they could do at this point is give Jones a couple of weeks on the bench to regroup. I think the young QBs need some live fire and then can really benefit from a few weeks off - watching and studying film to see what is happening. Then get them back out for several weeks and then pull them back again. It shouldn’t be tied to performance- just give them a quick mental break to allow them see and better understand the game. The NFL game is so fast and so complicated- but mostly there are few weeks of downtime to allow the brain to assimilate everything you have seen. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 21, 2019 Author Share Posted October 21, 2019 13 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: This is completely out of the blue and I am asking you, dpberr, because you brought up coaching and made me think about it. Forgive the brief thread hijack...I thought Flores did a good job yesterday and I think he has been given an absolute raw deal in Miami by the administration. Thoughts? I thought Flores had a brilliant game plan against the Bills. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 If people think Schopp is bad, try listening to Francesa for more than a minute without eating a shotgun. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: I thought Flores had a brilliant game plan against the Bills. Agreed. If they had a reasonable number of decent players on defense, they may well have pulled that game out because the scheming was good. Luckily for the Bills, their defensive talent is awful. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 21, 2019 Author Share Posted October 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, Bangarang said: If people think Schopp is bad, try listening to Francesa for more than a minute without eating a shotgun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 18 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: 1) He's a blowhard. 2) I bet the Mets lost to the Nats that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 ESPN is so lame. Their goal was clearly to just capture some talk and views from New York fan base regardless if they were right or wrong about Jones. They pander to everyone who will throw them a bone, it's not sports talk, it's producers begin paid by networks telling reporters what their opinions are. I guess we shouldn't be surprised when they do the same when it comes to China. Steven-A gave the most disgraceful bit on justifying why Lebron shouldn't be criticized over his recent comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, dollars 2 donuts said: This is completely out of the blue and I am asking you, dpberr, because you brought up coaching and made me think about it. Forgive the brief thread hijack...I thought Flores did a good job yesterday and I think he has been given an absolute raw deal in Miami by the administration. Thoughts? The Dolphins were a balanced team yesterday. You really have to appreciate Flores-- even as they have been taking players out from under him, he has his team getting a little better every week. I was thinking yesterday after halftime that Daboll had adjusted really well (which does seem to be one of his strengths), and the Phins hadn't really adjusted at all. But, then again, how much can you adjust at halftime with that personnel? The Miami FO is tanking, but Flores is not. He's the real deal, IMO, and I hope he gets rewarded after being the front man to a crap show this season. Edited October 21, 2019 by Rocky Landing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said: When the fentanyl kicks in..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Seven-N-Nine said: It's New York City, everything there is over the top and out of control... Spent a lot of time there, have ya? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven-N-Nine Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Just now, Tenhigh said: Spent a lot of time there, have ya? No, but have family there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Are they "over the top and out of control" too? Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 hour ago, dollars 2 donuts said: This is completely out of the blue and I am asking you, dpberr, because you brought up coaching and made me think about it. Forgive the brief thread hijack...I thought Flores did a good job yesterday and I think he has been given an absolute raw deal in Miami by the administration. Thoughts? He's a promising coaching talent with a crap roster and has the best long term potential of the rookie coaches IMO. He is not a "process" guy who sticks to a script and that's worked well for BB. He also appears to make adjustments when necessary and not wait until halftime to do so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Daniel Jones remains the limited prospect he was coming in for me. I think he can be an NFL starter. But that to me is his ceiling. I don't think he is a franchise Quarterback. Too many throws he can't make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Daniel Jones remains the limited prospect he was coming in for me. I think he can be an NFL starter. But that to me is his ceiling. I don't think he is a franchise Quarterback. Too many throws he can't make. Currently the highest turnover rate in the league! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Currently the highest turnover rate in the league! If anything at the moment he is reminding me of Ryan Fitzpatrick and the conversation @GoBills808 were having in the shoutbox last night - he is cashing checks his ability can't cash. He is attempting throws he can't make. Fitzpatrick has never adjusted and started playing to the level of his talent not to the level of Rodgers's talent. Jones needs to figure that out pretty fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 I think that most young QBs are going to act like young QBs That is why I am excited about Josh Allen......he makes his mistakes....he also is money when the game is on the line. I can live with that while he continues to get experience and becomes more consistant. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleSammy Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 It's a different NFL now for rookie QBs. Not like the "old days" where Rogers sat behind Favre and Brady sat until Bledsoe got hurt. Now the expectation is jump into the fire and perform from Day 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 13 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: If anything at the moment he is reminding me of Ryan Fitzpatrick and the conversation @GoBills808 were having in the shoutbox last night - he is cashing checks his ability can't cash. He is attempting throws he can't make. Fitzpatrick has never adjusted and started playing to the level of his talent not to the level of Rodgers's talent. Jones needs to figure that out pretty fast. Dare we say Peterman-esque? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Just now, GoBills808 said: Dare we say Peterman-esque? He can only aspire to be that efficient at turning the ball over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 19 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Dare we say Peterman-esque? Peterman was just pure garbage. I didn't think he was draftable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 25 minutes ago, LittleSammy said: It's a different NFL now for rookie QBs. Not like the "old days" where Rogers sat behind Favre and Brady sat until Bledsoe got hurt. Now the expectation is jump into the fire and perform from Day 1. Which very seldom goes well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Remember when they were putting Shurmur's name out there as a COY candidate after week 4 when the Giants had won two in a row against the Buc/Skins getting to 2-2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 The real question is if this means our own win over the Giants counts even less now than it did before. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 3 hours ago, H2o said: Yeah, Chandler Jones had 4 sacks by himself and the team had 8 overall. He had one where he split the RT and RG and neither one even attempted to slow him down. If anything they got out of his way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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