SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 (edited) the pirouette. how w often does a team score on an on side kick? Edited October 20, 2019 by SlimShady'sGhost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 The league changed the rules a year or two ago that made it much, much more difficult to recover an onsides, mostly by outlawing a team to load up on one side. And then not allowing the kicking team to get a running start. The funny thing about the Hyde play, which was awesome, was that is exactly how you want an onsides kick to be. Maybe a mite long but that kick is in the 90 percentile I would imagine considering how you would want it kicked. Hyde just made an extraordinary play. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 question...Tasker kept saying "go down.go down". but he ran it back to go up 10. with 1:39 on the clock, no timeouts for Dolphins.would you have ran it back? or taken a knee? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 No bloody idea, but will be watching to find out Go Bills!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: question...Tasker kept saying "go down.go down". but he ran it back to go up 10. with 1:39 on the clock, no timeouts for Dolphins.would you have ran it back? or taken a knee? Kneeling it out would have avoided risk of injuries on the following plays. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 1 minute ago, BuffAlone said: question...Tasker kept saying "go down.go down". but he ran it back to go up 10. with 1:39 on the clock, no timeouts for Dolphins.would you have ran it back? or taken a knee? Taking a knee would’ve been smarter. But I could have sworn that in the past, you couldn’t advance an onsides kick recovery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 Just now, Doc said: Taking a knee would’ve been smarter. But I could have sworn that in the past, you couldn’t advance an onsides kick recovery? Not sure about this but I think if the kicking team catches it on a bounce like that they can't but the receiving team can. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 20, 2019 Author Share Posted October 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: question...Tasker kept saying "go down.go down". but he ran it back to go up 10. with 1:39 on the clock, no timeouts for Dolphins.would you have ran it back? or taken a knee? Go for the score!!! 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Not sure about this but I think if the kicking team catches it on a bounce like that they can't but the receiving team can. I wonder if they changed it because I could have sworn that happened to the Bills one time and they brought the ball back to where he recovered it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 (edited) Edited October 20, 2019 by Rochesterfan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 20, 2019 Author Share Posted October 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, Doc said: I wonder if they changed it because I could have sworn that happened to the Bills one time and they brought the ball back to where he recovered it. typically it turns into a scrum and everyone gets tangled up. the pirouette kept him up and perfectly placed landing gave him a great running lane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 11 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Not sure about this but I think if the kicking team catches it on a bounce like that they can't but the receiving team can. correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, Doc said: I wonder if they changed it because I could have sworn that happened to the Bills one time and they brought the ball back to where he recovered it. Since the above post shows the stats it looks like it's always been the rule. Just doesn't happen much. I honestly don't know though. No one seems to think there was anything unusual when he did it though. And obviously it is a "kick return" like any other. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 18 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: question...Tasker kept saying "go down.go down". but he ran it back to go up 10. with 1:39 on the clock, no timeouts for Dolphins.would you have ran it back? or taken a knee? I'd have gone down and I think he should have. But no big deal. Game was done in any event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 9 minutes ago, Doc said: I wonder if they changed it because I could have sworn that happened to the Bills one time and they brought the ball back to where he recovered it. No rule change - the recovering team can advance and score - has happened 11 times since the 70’s. The Kicking team can not advance it - if they recover it - it is down where it is recovered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: I'd have gone down and I think he should have. But no big deal. Game was done in any event. so for the sake of getting our ST's unit a TD, it was worth it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 Take the points and the win. What if something happens on the ensuing kneel-down or run? Don't play that game. Just score the TD. I guess he could've wasted time by running sideways a little more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 20, 2019 Author Share Posted October 20, 2019 8 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said: The #Bills are the only team with more than one onside kick return TD since the merger, and now they have 3: -Micah Hyde, Today -Henry Jones, 12/19/99 at Arizona -Greg Jones, 11/1/70 at Boston (they renamed themselves New England the following season) 3 times? Wow. We own this !!!!! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coloradobillsfan Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: Take the points and the win. What if something happens on the ensuing kneel-down or run? Don't play that game. Just score the TD. I guess he could've wasted time by running sideways a little more? there is nothing more sure than victory formation 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 26 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: question...Tasker kept saying "go down.go down". but he ran it back to go up 10. with 1:39 on the clock, no timeouts for Dolphins.would you have ran it back? or taken a knee? more fun to run but the right play to maximize odds of winning is to get down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 1 minute ago, NoSaint said: more fun to run but the right play to maximize odds of winning is to get down. I’d agree, but that was Hyde’s fifth return for a TD. Can’t argue with him seeing a gap for a big return. It’s not like he hasn’t done it before. ?♂️ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Schick Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 Just rewatched this, and hadn't realized the block Poyer put on his guy. Poyer is 4th man in from the sideline on the front line....earholes his guy just as Hyde goes up for the ball, clearing the way for the catch and run. Sweet!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said: I’d agree, but that was Hyde’s fifth return for a TD. Can’t argue with him seeing a gap for a big return. It’s not like he hasn’t done it before. ?♂️ the issue isn’t risk of tackle it’s that you give the ball back with time on the clock. it’s all a long shot so picking nits but Miami is a lot less likely to score if they never touch the ball. Odds are they don’t score get the onside and score again either though. 19 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I'd have gone down and I think he should have. But no big deal. Game was done in any event. Yup. My bigger curiousity is whether our special teams coordinator gave the instruction pre play or not. While it wouldn’t much matter today, it’s the type of attention to detail I’d like to see, especially from a coordinator that deals with rotating casts of character like special teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 18 minutes ago, coloradobillsfan said: there is nothing more sure than victory formation sure points are more sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 45 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said: Kneeling it out would have avoided risk of injuries on the following plays. Really? You’re sayin stop trying to score while the game is still being played? There is always risk of injury in every single practice, there always is risk of injury in every single play, Hell There is always risk of injury every time you walk out the front door, this is football, a gladiator sport, of freakin course there is risk of injury, sounds like a stop preseason games, billy could hurt himself lament. What’s happening to football fans?? Go Bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 51 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said: Kneeling it out would have avoided risk of injuries on the following plays. I'm sure that's what all those guys that dogpiled on him were saying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 27 minutes ago, NoSaint said: the issue isn’t risk of tackle it’s that you give the ball back with time on the clock. it’s all a long shot so picking nits but Miami is a lot less likely to score if they never touch the ball. Odds are they don’t score get the onside and score again either though. I get that. I’m saying that the player recovering the ball was Hyde who for 2-3 years was one of the best return men in the NFL before he locked down a key role on defense. It’s why they had him fielding punts earlier in the year. He’s also one of the smartest and most reliable players on the field. I trust Hyde to make the correct decision, which the results would indicate he did. If Knox recovered the ball I’d have a different take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 There hasn't been an onsides kick recovered by the kicking team yet this year therefore it's more likely to be returned for a TD than recovered by the kicking team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devldog131 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Came in handy in my fantasy matchup today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) I have not researched this, but I would say close to 100% of the time, if you are trying an onside kick.....the game is NOT going the way you had hoped. That play might have saved me from night terrors tonight. We’ll never know, but....... . Edited October 21, 2019 by Augie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, frostbitmic said: There hasn't been an onsides kick recovered by the kicking team yet this year therefore it's more likely to be returned for a TD than recovered by the kicking team. Until the Bears recovered 2... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Goat Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 hour ago, BuffAlone said: question...Tasker kept saying "go down.go down". but he ran it back to go up 10. with 1:39 on the clock, no timeouts for Dolphins.would you have ran it back? or taken a knee? I heard the call on XM (man Tasker is freaking annoying). After seeing the highlight, I had no problem with him running it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 The officials should have thrown at least three flags against the Bills on that play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said: The league changed the rules a year or two ago that made it much, much more difficult to recover an onsides, mostly by outlawing a team to load up on one side. And then not allowing the kicking team to get a running start. The funny thing about the Hyde play, which was awesome, was that is exactly how you want an onsides kick to be. Maybe a mite long but that kick is in the 90 percentile I would imagine considering how you would want it kicked. Hyde just made an extraordinary play. I thought the same thing; absolutely perfectly kicked ball. I don’t think you can kick a better onsides kick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coloradobillsfan Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 32 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: sure points are more sure the comparison isn't with scoring the points, it's with giving the other team an opportunity to score 10 points in the remaining time. the probability still isn't very high I grant you, but it's a lot higher than the off-chance there is a fumble on the kneel-downs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 19 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said: I get that. I’m saying that the player recovering the ball was Hyde who for 2-3 years was one of the best return men in the NFL before he locked down a key role on defense. It’s why they had him fielding punts earlier in the year. He’s also one of the smartest and most reliable players on the field. I trust Hyde to make the correct decision, which the results would indicate he did. If Knox recovered the ball I’d have a different take. Statistically speaking I’d guess it’s the wrong one... not that any decisions actually “bad” 12 minutes ago, DC Tom said: The officials should have thrown at least three flags against the Bills on that play. A flag on the bills would’ve helped them ensure the bills win ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 So, eleven times since 1970, and the Bills did it three times, cool ? Go Bills!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Recall in the 1993 AFC championship against Denver Tasker returning a short kickoff almost for a TD, think he got taken down around the 10 yard line of Denver. Can't recall though if it was an on-sides attempt or just a bad kickoff by Denver. Do recall that play kind of changing the game though in Buffalo's favor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 43 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Really? You’re sayin stop trying to score while the game is still being played? There is always risk of injury in every single practice, there always is risk of injury in every single play, Hell There is always risk of injury every time you walk out the front door, this is football, a gladiator sport, of freakin course there is risk of injury, sounds like a stop preseason games, billy could hurt himself lament. What’s happening to football fans?? Go Bills!!! Was it Fred that did that very thing - giving himself up before the end zone to seal the win? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllin Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, 1ManRaid said: question...Tasker kept saying "go down.go down". but he ran it back to go up 10. with 1:39 on the clock, no timeouts for Dolphins.would you have ran it back? or taken a knee? Mc D could learn from hyde! always be scoring! I hate when he puts the breaks on bills momentum, gonna need to be aggro scoring wise to win it all in this league Edited October 21, 2019 by motorj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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