Make the trade for Stephon Diggs

[TheFunPolice]

100% going to NE

 

Other teams trip over themselves to help those scum

[ROCBillsBeliever]

Hate to say it, but we aren't getting Diggs after his performance against the 'Iggles:
 

Stefon Diggs MIN

7 REC, 167 YDS, 3 TD

 

Unless we're dropping a first and Foster, I just don't see the Vikes giving him up.

 

And I'm generally an optimist on here. Just bummed McBeane didn't pull the trigger PRIOR to this week, because Diggs' stock just went through the roof.

 

And I'm sure Kraftichick is going to trade a cold turd in a burning bag for Diggs, use him to win the SB, then unload him and get a high comp pick... That's just how I see this going. 

[GreggTX]

We need elite talent added to this roster at a 'reasonable' price. The best way to do that is to draft well and pay the rookie contract rate for 5 years. IMO, we do very well to add a top 10 talent at OT, CB, DE and WR.

[Rocket94]

6 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

We need elite talent added to this roster at a 'reasonable' price. The best way to do that is to draft well and pay the rookie contract rate for 5 years. IMO, we do very well to add a top 10 talent at OT, CB, DE and WR.

We already know that Beane is on the look out for a WR and DE. Beane also made it clear that he would make allowances to pursue free agents to augment the draft. The best time to do this is during the rookie contracts.

[BringBackOrton]

19 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

We need elite talent added to this roster at a 'reasonable' price. The best way to do that is to draft well and pay the rookie contract rate for 5 years. IMO, we do very well to add a top 10 talent at OT, CB, DE and WR.

Yep. I love this team’s chances next season if they draft top 10 talents at 4 positions in next years draft.

 

this is a good plan.

[ddaryl]

This team wants the players it picked up to be given a shot 1st. This is why Duke has been brought up and Zay traded. We are not giving up 1st rd picks for any player that comes available. We also will be better able to determine where we need our improvements next year by letting the talent we do have get an opportunity to prove itself.

I know many have a lack of faith in unkown players but I have faith in Beane and McDermott to find those players who exceed expectation. But you have ot give them a shot to prove their owrth before you start brining in bodies at the trade deadline, which costs precious assets.

 

We also have John Brown performing at #1 WR level.... 

 

This love affair with AJ Green and Diggs to me is nothing more than brutally impatient Bills fans that always think the grass is greener. I for one am enjoying the Beane McDermott approach, and my confidence is high in the duo.

Edited October 14, 2019 by ddaryl

[Buffalo Junction]

3 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

This team wants the players it picked up to be given a shot 1st. This is why Duke has been brought up and Zay traded. We are not giving up 1st rd picks for any player that comes available. We also will be better able to determine where we need our improvements next year by letting the talent we do have get an opportunity to prove itself.

I know many have a lack of faith in unkown players but I have faith in Beane and McDermott to find those players who exceed expectation. But you have ot give them a shot to prove their owrth before you start brining in bodies at the trade deadline, which costs precious assets.

 

This love affair with AJ Green and Diggs to me is nothing more than brutally impatient Bills fans that always think the grass is greener. I for one am enjoying the Beane McDermott approach, and my confidence is high in the duo.

IDK. I’m certainly not for Green: old, often injured, and going into FA. Diggs though is 26 and signed through 2023.... Fits a long term plan as well as improving this season. When you consider that this team will likely draft in the 20’s trading a 1st for Diggs wouldn’t be contrary to Beane’s team building approach. 

 

That said, I seriously doubt Diggs gets traded, especially during the season. 

[H2o]

Minnesota isn't going to trade Diggs

[Chandler#81]

43 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

This team wants the players it picked up to be given a shot 1st. This is why Duke has been brought up and Zay traded. We are not giving up 1st rd picks for any player that comes available. We also will be better able to determine where we need our improvements next year by letting the talent we do have get an opportunity to prove itself.

I know many have a lack of faith in unkown players but I have faith in Beane and McDermott to find those players who exceed expectation. But you have ot give them a shot to prove their owrth before you start brining in bodies at the trade deadline, which costs precious assets.

 

We also have John Brown performing at #1 WR level.... 

 

This love affair with AJ Green and Diggs to me is nothing more than brutally impatient Bills fans that always think the grass is greener. I for one am enjoying the Beane McDermott approach, and my confidence is high in the duo.

I’m generally in agreement with your position, but it really is different THIS year. The schedule the Football Gods have bestowed on us must take a complete buy in to complete. I see no path to the AFC Championship, let alone the Super Bowl without adding a truly game-breaking Wideout. Personally, I’d be all in on Diggs!

[Boatdrinks]

On 10/5/2019 at 12:16 PM, RyanC883 said:

 

if no crazy contract a 2nd may be okay.  I"m just thinking of how deep the WR class is.  However, Diggs has already proven to be great.  A lineup of Diggs, Brown, Beasly and Williams (based on potential) is a great lineup.  

Yep, a proven, young player is better than a draft pick at WR. The time for a drafted WR was last year or earlier. 

[DrDawkinstein]

37 minutes ago, H2o said:

Minnesota isn't going to trade Diggs

 

Yeah, after yesterday this pipe-dream is officially dead. Bummer.

On 10/5/2019 at 12:16 PM, RyanC883 said:

 

if no crazy contract a 2nd may be okay.  I"m just thinking of how deep the WR class is.  However, Diggs has already proven to be great.  A lineup of Diggs, Brown, Beasly and Williams (based on potential) is a great lineup.  

 

His contract is about $13M/season for 4 more years. That's a lot of money for a WR, and why I really dont want to trade anything higher than a 3rd.

 

[billsfan89]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Yeah, after yesterday this pipe-dream is officially dead. Bummer.

 

I don't think it was ever anything more than a pipe-dream. The Vikings are all in on the season and they were healthily around .500 all season. Diggs is young and locked in on a fair deal. He wasn't going anywhere.

[Warcodered]

51 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

This team wants the players it picked up to be given a shot 1st. This is why Duke has been brought up and Zay traded. We are not giving up 1st rd picks for any player that comes available. We also will be better able to determine where we need our improvements next year by letting the talent we do have get an opportunity to prove itself.

I know many have a lack of faith in unkown players but I have faith in Beane and McDermott to find those players who exceed expectation. But you have ot give them a shot to prove their owrth before you start brining in bodies at the trade deadline, which costs precious assets.

 

We also have John Brown performing at #1 WR level.... 

 

This love affair with AJ Green and Diggs to me is nothing more than brutally impatient Bills fans that always think the grass is greener. I for one am enjoying the Beane McDermott approach, and my confidence is high in the duo.

This I think is actually pretty true people want things to just be fixed on offense like waving a magic wand but the truth is this offense needs experience with each other and Allen needs more experience in the NFL. They've got to work through the rough patches and get clicking on all cylinders adding another good piece would improve the group of course but they still wouldn't necessarily be meshing.

[C.Biscuit97]

Still never got why a team with SB hopes was going to trade one of their best players in the middle of the season. 

 

And i got Diggs for Greg Olsen 2 weeks ago in fantasy. ?

[MJS]

Those saying Diggs is better than Thielen, I just don't see it. Thielen is one of the better WR's in the league, in my opinion. He's an excellent route runner. He makes contested catches routinely. He's got size and speed. Diggs is a good #2 WR though.

[DrDawkinstein]

7 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Still never got why a team with SB hopes was going to trade one of their best players in the middle of the season. 

 

And i got Diggs for Greg Olsen 2 weeks ago in fantasy. ?

 

I think it was more that the player wanted out, than the team wanted to move him.

 

If that player is going to skip practices, and bring down the team, then you have to start weighing options.

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, MJS said:

Those saying Diggs is better than Thielen, I just don't see it. Thielen is one of the better WR's in the league, in my opinion. He's an excellent route runner. He makes contested catches routinely. He's got size and speed. Diggs is a good #2 WR though.

A lot of people do this a lot but you don’t have to always compare players. They benefit from playing with each other. Good offenses have multiple threats.  It’s why Sammy (it’s sad he is made out of glass) got $16 million.  John Brown would be a more dangerous receiver if we had another legit threat across from him. 

[MJS]

9 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

A lot of people do this a lot but you don’t have to always compare players. They benefit from playing with each other. Good offenses have multiple threats.  It’s why Sammy (it’s sad he is made out of glass) got $16 million.  John Brown would be a more dangerous receiver if we had another legit threat across from him. 

 

That's true and I agree. There were just posters on here making that comparison and saying Diggs is better than Thielen. I disagree.

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, MJS said:

 

That's true and I agree. There were just posters on here making that comparison and saying Diggs is better than Thielen. I disagree.

I tend to agree AT is the better all around receiver.  And to think he went Undrafted and was just a local guy for them. 

12 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I think it was more that the player wanted out, than the team wanted to move him.

 

If that player is going to skip practices, and bring down the team, then you have to start weighing options.

Yeah, that’s a good point. Personally, I’d tell the play to shut up and play. Then you can trade them in the offense.  Diggs benefits from playing too.

 

but I’m sure it’s all water under the bridge now.  

[ddaryl]

31 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

I’m generally in agreement with your position, but it really is different THIS year. The schedule the Football Gods have bestowed on us must take a complete buy in to complete. I see no path to the AFC Championship, let alone the Super Bowl without adding a truly game-breaking Wideout. Personally, I’d be all in on Diggs!

 

Then you fall into the category that the grass is greener and are window is small for winning it all. I think we are sitting pretty at WR with Zay gone and Duke up.

 

I honestly only  see us wasting resources trying to make the big splash trade. We would be better served keeping that powder dry because I believe this team will be better served making their moves next offseason in FA and still keep our top draft picks.

I also believe this team as it stands will get better as the year progresses.

I just don't see the need for Diggs or Greene. We already have the #1 WR in John Brown. You also are obviously thinking because Duke is a undrafted CFL player that he has no chance of having that impact for us. I disagree and believe Diggs or Green only serve to reduce the playtime form someone like Duke I think will fill the roll we'd hope Zay could.

IMO Allen's awareness and our WR scramble fire drill when Allen running around, are the only improvements we need at WR IMO. 

Edited October 14, 2019 by ddaryl

[C.Biscuit97]

3 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

 

Then you fall into the category that the grass is greener and are window is small for winning it all. I think we are sitting pretty at WR with Zay gone and Duke up.

 

I honestly only  see us wasting resources trying to make the big splash trade. We would be better served keeping that powder dry because I believe this team will be better served making their moves next offseason in FA and still keep our top draft picks.

I also believe this team as it stands will get better as the year progresses.

I just don't see the need for Diggs or Greene. We already have the #1 WR in John Brown. You also are obviously thinking because Duke is a undrafted CFL player that he has no chance of having that impact for us. I disagree and believe Diggs or Green only serve to reduce the playtime form someone like Duke I think will fill the roll we'd hope Zay could.

IMO Allen's awareness and our WR scramble fire drill when Allen running around, are the only improvements we need at WR IMO. 

Love your enthusiasm but you are IMO completely overrating Duke and Brown.  

[ddaryl]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Love your enthusiasm but you are IMO completely overrating Duke and Brown.  

 

No I'm not, thanks for playing.  Duke is a wait and see, but I am more than willing to wait and see and I bet the farm so are the Bills brass. Stars are born every year, and rol playters step up just the same. Just finding those players is the tough part and this GM and Coach do exactly that over an dover again

As for Brown... He's on par with Diggs this year... See no reason why he won't stay there

 

As for Diggs being traded. NEVER going to happen because it would cost Minnesota a $20 million cap hit to trade him

 

 

[Chandler#81]

10 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

 

Then you fall into the category that the grass is greener and are window is small for winning it all. I think we are sitting pretty at WR with Zay gone and Duke up.

 

I honestly only  see us wasting resources trying to make the big splash trade. We would be better served keeping that powder dry because I believe this team will be better served making their moves next offseason in FA and still keep our top draft picks.

I also believe this team as it stands will get better as the year progresses.

I just don't see the need for Diggs or Greene. We already have the #1 WR in John Brown. You also are obviously thinking because Duke is a undrafted CFL player that he has no chance of having that impact for us. I disagree and believe Diggs or Green only serve to reduce the playtime form someone like Duke I think will fill the roll we'd hope Zay could.

IMO Allen's awareness and our WR scramble fire drill when Allen running around, are the only improvements we need at WR IMO. 

Yeah, so you’ve said. I disagree. On all counts.

[ddaryl]

1 minute ago, Chandler#81 said:

Yeah, so you’ve said. I disagree. On all counts.

 

 

Your disagreement is wrong and it will be obvious by years end.  ?pffffffffffffffffft !

 

[DrDawkinstein]

5 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

 

No I'm not, thanks for playing.  Duke is a wait and see, but I am more than willing to wait and see and I bet the farm so are the Bills brass. Stars are born every year, and rol playters step up just the same. Just finding those players is the tough part and this GM and Coach do exactly that over an dover again

As for Brown... He's on par with Diggs this year... See no reason why he won't stay there

 

As for Diggs being traded. NEVER going to happen because it would cost Minnesota a $20 million cap hit to trade him

 

 

 

I believe that could be negotiated in the trade. With the new team taking on a certain amount of guaranteed money hit. I think. Seems like something I heard regarding a different trade.

[C.Biscuit97]

6 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

 

No I'm not, thanks for playing.  Duke is a wait and see, but I am more than willing to wait and see and I bet the farm so are the Bills brass. Stars are born every year, and rol playters step up just the same. Just finding those players is the tough part and this GM and Coach do exactly that over an dover again

As for Brown... He's on par with Diggs this year... See no reason why he won't stay there

 

As for Diggs being traded. NEVER going to happen because it would cost Minnesota a $20 million cap hit to trade him

 

 

So our number 1 receiver is a guy who averages 600 yards per season?

[thenorthremembers]

5 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

So our number 1 receiver is a guy who averages 600 yards per season?

He is on pace for 90 catches and 1200 yards.  If our QB threw touchdowns I am sure he would be up there in those as well.

 

[ddaryl]

15 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

So our number 1 receiver is a guy who averages 600 yards per season?

 

 

Seriously.. Diggs averages 750 yds a season

 

 

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, ddaryl said:

 

 

Seriously.. Diggs averages 750 yds a season

 

 

And people don’t think he’s their number 1.  He is a really good 2 or 1B.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Yeah, after yesterday this pipe-dream is officially dead. Bummer.

 

His contract is about $13M/season for 4 more years. That's a lot of money for a WR, and why I really dont want to trade anything higher than a 3rd.

 

 

And hows that compare to what Brown and Beasly are getting?  If less, is Diggs really that much better or will you then have those two with the hand out next?   Will they then tell the Bills, pay me or trade me.

[DrDawkinstein]

10 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

And hows that compare to what Brown and Beasly are getting?  If less, is Diggs really that much better or will you then have those two with the hand out next?   Will they then tell the Bills, pay me or trade me.

 

Good question.

 

John Brown: 3 Year, $27M signed in 2019. Averages $9M/year.

Cole Beasley: 4 Year, $29M signed in 2019. Averages $7.25M/year.

Stefon Diggs: 5 Year, $72M signed in 2019. Averages $14.4M/year.

 

Both Brown and Beasley got to test Free Agency, and these were the best deals they found. They know their value.

 

Both have Dead Money situations that make them easily expendable after this season. If they want to hold out on a contract they just signed, they can get traded to wherever the Bills decide for them, or they can get cut and try their luck again.

 

Neither Brown nor Beasley are in the Bills' long term plan. They are basically bridge players to get the WR squad along until we can draft/acquire better talent.

 

I like what Beasley has done so far, but would happily sacrifice him if it meant adding Diggs.

[ROCBillsBeliever]

2 hours ago, BringBackOrton said:

Yep. I love this team’s chances next season if they draft top 10 talents at 4 positions in next years draft.

 

this is the Dolphins' plan.

 

There... I fixed it for you.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Good question.

 

John Brown: 3 Year, $27M signed in 2019. Averages $9M/year.

Cole Beasley: 4 Year, $29M signed in 2019. Averages $7.25M/year.

Stefon Diggs: 5 Year, $72M signed in 2019. Averages $14.4M/year.

 

Both Brown and Beasley got to test Free Agency, and these were the best deals they found. They know their value.

 

Both have Dead Money situations that make them easily expendable after this season. If they want to hold out on a contract they just signed, they can get traded to wherever the Bills decide for them, or they can get cut and try their luck again.

 

Neither Brown nor Beasley are in the Bills' long term plan. They are basically bridge players to get the WR squad along until we can draft/acquire better talent.

 

I like what Beasley has done so far, but would happily sacrifice him if it meant adding Diggs.

 

Good point about Brown and Beasley getting what they were offered.

 

Is Diggs really that much better?  Is he a true #1

 

Personally  I'd be fine long term (2 to 3 years) of a top 3 WR group of Diggs, Brown, Beasley.  I think these real true #1 guys are too often head cases.  Maybe Brown and OBJ have just given the rest a bad name?

Edited October 14, 2019 by Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

[H2o]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Yeah, after yesterday this pipe-dream is officially dead. Bummer.

 

His contract is about $13M/season for 4 more years. That's a lot of money for a WR, and why I really dont want to trade anything higher than a 3rd.

 

It's actually not a bad deal for a guy of his talent level. I mean, hell, Sammy got $16,000,000 per from the Chiefs. 

[DrDawkinstein]

5 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Good point about Brown and Beasley getting what they were offered.

 

Is Diggs really that much better?  Is he a true #1

 

Personally  I'd be fine long term (2 to 3 years) of a top 3 WR group of Diggs, Brown, Beasley.  I think these real true #1 guys are too often head cases.  Maybe Brown and OBJ have just given the rest a bad name?

 

I'd love a WR group of Diggs, Brown, Beasley, Duke. And even if we were to acquire Diggs, I believe we still draft WR early next year and prep to lose Brown at the end of his contract. That would be the best moves the Bills could make to bolster the WR corp. I get that it's easier said than done though. Especially since it looks like Diggs is stuck in Minn.

 

1 minute ago, H2o said:

It's actually not a bad deal for a guy of his talent level. I mean, hell, Sammy got $16,000,000 per from the Chiefs. 

 

Oh, I agree. The deal is decent as far as his real value goes. But if I have to give up a pick (or picks) in addition to paying that much, it can't be in the first 2 rounds. We need those picks to add cheap talent on rookie contracts while we pay Diggs and other vets.

[H2o]

22 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Oh, I agree. The deal is decent as far as his real value goes. But if I have to give up a pick (or picks) in addition to paying that much, it can't be in the first 2 rounds. We need those picks to add cheap talent on rookie contracts while we pay Diggs and other vets.

I think I would give up a 2nd at most. You figure that's what we spent on Zay. Not parting with a 1st though. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

This thread needs to go. Was blue balls before, is beyond ridiculous after this week.

 

[DrDawkinstein]

14 minutes ago, H2o said:

I think I would give up a 2nd at most. You figure that's what we spent on Zay. Not parting with a 1st though. 

 

Definitely not a 1st. Even with Diggs, I want the Bills to be able to go WR + OL in rounds 1 and 2 next year. I have no problem trading away the rest of the draft. But want those first 2 picks.

[njbuff]

Maybe substitute Diggs name and put in Evans instead.

[Gugny]

Diggs' stats are pretty unimpressive to me.

 

He's played a full season, never.

He's gotten 1000+ yards once.

He had 24 TDs in his first four years, combined.

 

I am TOTALLY in the "we need one more SOLID receiver," camp.  I'm not sure Stefon Diggs is worth $14 million/year, though.  And I'm in the HELL NO camp when it comes to Green.  Not sure how much of an impact an aging, injury prone WR is gonna make in the 5 (tops) games he actually plays in.

 

I honestly don't know what WRs are available at the moment, but if Diggs and Green are the best two .... I'd rather roll with who we've got.