Let's Get it Straight

[Iron Maiden]

Just now, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

Look at the offensively horrid teams that the Patriots have played. There’s not even a good enough WR on any of those teams for Gilmore to hold.

I know...but still, those stats are insane....and again, it started last year in the playoffs....San Diego all game, KC for a half and Rams all game....we know they can slow down really powerful offense......Josh was going against BB and did not win...not really surprising....most QB look bad vs him....and ALL young QB do....he'll get better...

[vorpma]

47 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Not into moral victories

 

We get another crack at them later in the season

Not trying to spin it as a moral victory, we lost to a good team, that's all!

[buffalo2218]

1 minute ago, vorpma said:

Not trying to spin it as a moral victory, we lost to a good team, that's all!

That's been my take on it all day. Would have liked a win, but after hearing we were gonna get blown out by a douchebag pats fan who has yet to show up (go figure), and we almost win even with Allen stinking up the building, I actually feel ok

[vorpma]

1 hour ago, Tiffany980 said:

Both defenses were great. NE forced turnovers and made huge stops. Buffalo kept Brady off balance all day and got a turnover in the end zone. Your coach challenged some plays that he had zero chance of winning and the special teams gaffe...

 

Time to face the fact that Josh Allen is trending towards being a bust. Look at why the Bills aren't 4-0 and why they had to comeback for their 3 wins...  

 

WTF, if we don't win every fricking game you blow snot bubbles - grow up!

20 minutes ago, Tiffany980 said:

Arrogance has nothing to do with this. Arrogance is not the same as knowledgeable. You don't actually consider the "experts" experts do you? All those ex-players are biased. I haven't said ANYTHING that your own fans have said. After each game this year, what has been the fans' biggest complaint? Allen, Allen, Allen, and Allen... Maybe he turns out to be the next Peyton Manning. 

Ya whatever, go to your room!

[Tiffany980]

19 minutes ago, buffalo2218 said:

No make no mistake about it, it's arrogance. The Patriots have made that name for themselves over the years, and people like you have proven it's rubbed off on it's fanbase. Why else would you and the other 2 come in here talking like you're "knowledgeable" when everyone sees right through it? Neither you or them fool anyone here. And I'm far from saying Allen's gonna be the next Montana, our offense is defnitely the weak part of the team, but NEWS FLASH, it doesn't take a "knowledgeable" Patriots fan to see that. You think were that blind? You think the rest of the media doesn't see that? If there's any insecurity anywhere from any team's fans, it's the Patriots. You're on borrowed time now as it is, and if any part of Brady's subpar play today was because of his age starting to show? Then yeah, you have plenty of reason to be insecure

Knowing facts, quoting history, and accurately predicting the future generally make people "knowledgeable." No one is trying to fool anyone. In fact, what I claim is the same belief many of you have. There are a fair amount of Bills fans who also believe Allen will be a bust because of his similarities to other busts. This isn't a trolling thing. Don't you know who other busts will be? Murray and Haskins for example. Not a Patriots thing at all.

Edited September 30, 2019 by Tiffany980

[vorpma]

1 hour ago, BillsVet said:

 

When did the 2000 Ravens and 2002 Bucs get downgraded behind that NE D?

 

 

 

 

 

Give it time, we are only in week four son!

1 hour ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Moral victories are for losers.

OK Junior, did not claim a "moral victory;" read the post again and try to be a football fan!

[Tiffany980]

9 minutes ago, vorpma said:

WTF, if we don't win every fricking game you blow snot bubbles - grow up!

Ya whatever, go to your room!

You're not making sense... Aren't you posting contradicting comments?

[buffalo2218]

Just now, Tiffany980 said:

Knowing facts, quoting history, and accurately predicting the future generally make people "knowledgeable." No one is trying to fool anyone. In fact, what I claim is the same belief many of you have. There are a fair amount of Bills fans who also believe Allen will be a bust because of his similarities to other busts. This isn't a trolling thing. Don't you know who other busts will be? Murray and Watkins for example. Not a Patriots thing at all.

Facts?!?! Guesses that you got lucky with aren't facts. The majority of your fan base saw this game as a blowout for the Pats (don't even try telling me otherwise), and I wouldn't be surprised if you thought the same thing. But even if you did, it's a FACT, that you won't admit it.  Those Bills fans that are labeling Allen a bust already were probably the same fans that would label  him a franchise QB had we won today, please don't be stupid enough to lump me in with them. Nothing about that is fact, and you need to learn the difference between fact and fiction. Many successful QBs had rough starts to their careers that went on to win super bowls. As I've said, I don't know how Allen is gonna turn out but to just toss him away and start all over is just contiuous mediocrity at best. The problems on offense aren't just with Allen, and even some Bills fans are blind to that, apparently you are too

[vorpma]

4 minutes ago, Tiffany980 said:

You're not making sense... Aren't you posting contradicting comments?

Nope, are you?

2 minutes ago, buffalo2218 said:

Facts?!?! Guesses that you got lucky with aren't facts. The majority of your fan base saw this game as a blowout for the Pats (don't even try telling me otherwise), and I wouldn't be surprised if you thought the same thing. But even if you did, it's a FACT, that you won't admit it.  Those Bills fans that are labeling Allen a bust already were probably the same fans that would label  him a franchise QB had we won today, please don't be stupid enough to lump me in with them. Nothing about that is fact, and you need to learn the difference between fact and fiction. Many successful QBs had rough starts to their careers that went on to win super bowls. As I've said, I don't know how Allen is gonna turn out but to just toss him away and start all over is just contiuous mediocrity at best. The problems on offense aren't just with Allen, and even some Bills fans are blind to that, apparently you are too

Great post and true! If they win next week many of these will slither back into the shadows the come back the next loss and throw tantrums again; TBD at its best!

[CSBill]

31 minutes ago, Captain Caveman said:

 

Just saying, I think there is a strong correlational between turnovers and not winning.

 

Dust it off, and move on to the Titans. Go Bills!

[Tiffany980]

1 minute ago, buffalo2218 said:

Facts?!?! Guesses that you got lucky with aren't facts. The majority of your fan base saw this game as a blowout for the Pats (don't even try telling me otherwise), and I wouldn't be surprised if you thought the same thing. But even if you did, it's a FACT, that you won't admit it.  Those Bills fans that are labeling Allen a bust already were probably the same fans that would label  him a franchise QB had we won today, please don't be stupid enough to lump me in with them. Nothing about that is fact, and you need to learn the difference between fact and fiction. Many successful QBs had rough starts to their careers that went on to win super bowls. As I've said, I don't know how Allen is gonna turn out but to just toss him away and start all over is just contiuous mediocrity at best. The problems on offense aren't just with Allen, and even some Bills fans are blind to that, apparently you are too

Guesses that are consistently right? Really?

 

Of course I thought it would be a blowout. Most of America did too. I was surprised at how poorly the NE offense played today and I admit that it was because of the Bills' defense. What has been the weakest part of every Bills' game this year? Allen. PEDton had a rough start to his career and was one of the greatest. Believe me, I hope you stick with Allen for as long as you did Losman, Johnson, EJ, and Fitz...

10 minutes ago, vorpma said:

Nope, are you?

Great post and true! If they win next week many of these will slither back into the shadows the come back the next loss and throw tantrums again; TBD at its best!

OK

[ComradeKayAdams]

26 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

Look at the offensively horrid teams that the Patriots have played. There’s not even a good enough WR on any of those teams for Gilmore to hold.

I don’t mind licking wounds and moving on but its really hard to get excited about anything other than the defense with this team.

 

Check out our rushing offense. It's really good. We can run the ball. We can stop the run. We can stop the pass. Now we just need to pass the ball. Josh Allen was terrible today in his 16th career NFL regular season game against the greatest game-planning head coach ever with an historically good defense. Allen needs a lot of work, but he will get better. Part of the fun this year is watchng his development. We also have a relatively easy schedule. The #5 playoff seed is a very realistic goal. The Cheatriots are maddening, but it can still be fun following the Bills this season. Also, Brady doesn't look the same. The decline is real. The end will come. BTW, if the Saints beat the Cowboys tomorrow night, then the Bills are tied for the FOURTH best record in the NFL behind the Pats, Chiefs, and 49ers.

[buffalo2218]

7 minutes ago, Tiffany980 said:

Guesses that are consistently right? Really?

 

Of course I thought it would be a blowout. Most of America did too. I was surprised at how poorly the NE offense played today and I admit that it was because of the Bills' defense. What has been the weakest part of every Bills' game this year? Allen. PEDton had a rough start to his career and was one of the greatest. Believe me, I hope you stick with Allen for as long as you did Losman, Johnson, EJ, and Fitz...

I guess you meant Peyton. I don't want Allen to be like anyone, I'd rather he make a name for himself. Bills fans can be impatient when it comes to developing QBs. But those fans and you talk like Allen hasn't done anything at all but throw picks and incompletions. You're gonna see those things from a young QB, not every QB drafted is Tom Brady. That'll never happen again although Mahomes is making a strong case. I know you'd rather we toss Allen aside like we did with the QBs you mentioned. We do that, we deserve mediocrity. Say what you want, this coaching staff isn't that stupid. But on the flip side, pick any of those QBs you mentioned and tell me who you'd rather have than Allen. Hell I direct that question to Bills fans too

Edited September 30, 2019 by buffalo2218

[BITE ME]

1 hour ago, vorpma said:

The Bills lost today to the greatest team, QB, and coach in sports history; not to mention what is possibly the greatest defense since the 1985 Bears. We took into the last minutes of the fourth quarter and as the season rolls on, I hope many of you understand the significance of that feat. This is a team on the rise, stop blowing snot bubbles and watch the rebound next week! We are back!!!!

 

Great points, but the Bills defense is better than the Patriots defense. I don't care what stats say.  

[buffalo2218]

Just now, FUTURIST said:

 

Great points, but the Bills defense is better than the Patriots defense. I don't care what stats say.  

The stats agree with you considering the overall yardage gained by both teams. Only the final score has any say in it

[Meatloaf63]

1 hour ago, Tiffany980 said:

Hmmm... 4 out of the last 5 SBs... Winning 3 of them. Terrible. Just terrible. Please...

Shut your pie hole, you still haven’t won a single Super Bowl where you haven’t cheated or the refs didn’t give you an advantage you didn’t deserve. 

[dgrochester55]

1 hour ago, Tiffany980 said:

Both defenses were great. NE forced turnovers and made huge stops. Buffalo kept Brady off balance all day and got a turnover in the end zone. Your coach challenged some plays that he had zero chance of winning and the special teams gaffe...

 

Time to face the fact that Josh Allen is trending towards being a bust. Look at why the Bills aren't 4-0 and why they had to comeback for their 3 wins...  

 

 

When Allen was drafted, it was known that he had both huge upside or downside and also that he would take awhile to develop.   Until this game, there was improvement from last year and the ability to comeback against the Jets and Bengals shows a resiliency that many recent Bills quarterback have not had.     I wonder if he would have done the same thing in this game.  We will never know since he was (cheaply) knocked out of the game, I certainly think that his chances would have been better than Barkley.

 

Allen was terrible today, but your defense is extremely good.   I am not going to call Allen a bust based on playing a defense that has also recently shut down Goff and Big Ben. 

 

Allen needs to reduce the bad plays and inaccurate throws.   If he is at the same level after the end of the season with no further improvement, then maybe it is time to question whether or not he is a bust but it is way too early to do so now.   

Edited September 30, 2019 by dgrochester55

[Matt_In_NH]

So the bills get a trophy?

 

I get what the op is saying.   We need to just move on and if this team is good they will win more than lose.  

[Tiffany980]

5 minutes ago, buffalo2218 said:

I guess you meant Peyton. I don't want Allen to be like anyone, I'd rather he make a name for himself. Bills fans can be impatient when it comes to developing QBs. But those fans and you talk like Allen hasn't done anything at all but throw picks and incompletions. You're gonna see those things from a young QB, not every QB drafted is Tom Brady. That'll never happen again although Mahomes is making a strong case. I know you'd rather we toss Allen aside like we did with the QBs you mentioned. We do that, we deserve mediocrity. Say what you want, this coaching staff isn't that stupid. But on the flip side, pick any of those QBs you mentioned and tell me who you'd rather have than Allen. Hell I direct that question to Bills fans too

13 TDs, 18 INTs, fumbles, etc... He has no pocket awareness. 55% completion and 68.4 rating... 

 

I wouldn't want any of those QBs over Allen because they were all bad QBs! I'd take Flutie.

[Augie]

1 hour ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Moral victories are for losers.

 

You are smarter than that. Nobody is claiming a “moral victory” as far as I’ve seen. It IS fair to evaluate your team, and how competitive they are against other teams in the league. We are 3-1 and we gave the NFL’s greatest ever dynasty a serious fight. We could, and maybe should, have won.

 

I’m a big picture guy. They beat us today, but Brady is no longer elite. Brilliant, but he looked mortal. Special teams actually lost the game, but we were right there. We are trending up, and I’m good with that. 

 

Today is emotional, but taking in the big picture reduces that to some extent. 

[Tiffany980]

6 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said:

Shut your pie hole, you still haven’t won a single Super Bowl where you haven’t cheated or the refs didn’t give you an advantage you didn’t deserve. 

Are you 12 years old? Hey look! It's the Great Pumpkin Meatloaf63! Damn, you're gullible if you believe that nonsense. Embarrassing to you fanbase...

[buffalo2218]

Just now, Tiffany980 said:

13 TDs, 18 INTs, fumbles, etc... He has no pocket awareness. 55% completion and 68.4 rating... 

 

I wouldn't want any of those QBs over Allen because they were all bad QBs! I'd take Flutie.

Again, you post this after I specifically tell you "YOU'RE GONNA SEE THOSE THINGS FROM A YOUNG QB". They're called growing pains for a reason. No reason Allen can't learn from his mistakes, that's all up to him. I'm not gonna ignorantly say because of those stats, he's a bust. My god, get on the booze and ridlin while you can, because when the Pats lose Brady, believe me, you're gonna be cellar dwellers every bit as long as we've been. Wentz and Goff got time, why can't Allen?

[BillsVet]

43 minutes ago, vorpma said:

Give it time, we are only in week four son!

 

Yes, the quarter pole of the season.  You're already predicting NE will be among the all-time great defenses because they beat the mighty McD and Daboll show.  

 

 

[Meatloaf63]

4 minutes ago, Tiffany980 said:

Are you 12 years old? Hey look! It's the Great Pumpkin Meatloaf63! Damn, you're gullible if you believe that nonsense. Embarrassing to you fanbase...

Says the clown who’s on another teams message board. The truth hurts and your typical Plastic patriot fan ass can’t handle it. 

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

2 hours ago, vorpma said:

The Bills lost today to the greatest team, QB, and coach in sports history; not to mention what is possibly the greatest defense since the 1985 Bears. We took into the last minutes of the fourth quarter and as the season rolls on, I hope many of you understand the significance of that feat. This is a team on the rise, stop blowing snot bubbles and watch the rebound next week! We are back!!!!

You have to stop kissing Patriot ass. F'k them. We should have won. We need to win and until that happens there are no moral victories.  After the hit on Josh, why someone on our D didn't remove Brady's head is beyond me. We needed to send a message and we didn't.  Ohhhhh we're getting closer doesn't work.  We better get our heads out of our asses and make the adjustments needed to beat them in NE when the AFC East is on the line. 

[Stank_Nasty]

1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Exactly, moral victories are for losers. Yes we witnessed the top 2 defenses in the league today but so far I've seen little improvement on our offense from last year. There's some fat on this team that needs to be cut.

Wow talk about being a prisoner of the moment. The offense came in ranked 8th in total yds and Allen had shown plenty of progression before today. There are myriad of other numbers that had shown the improvement of the offense as well. 

 

Your statement is a bit excessive. Come on man. 

[Rico]

15 minutes ago, Tiffany980 said:

Are you 12 years old? Hey look! It's the Great Pumpkin Meatloaf63! Damn, you're gullible if you believe that nonsense. Embarrassing to you fanbase...

[Paulus]

I'm just hoping they get revenge for the spear on Allen, when they play the Pats next. It was dirty, cheap, and done with an intent to injure. If you couldn't tell that, you need to be euthanized to stop your DNA from spreading. 

[Mark Vader]

1 hour ago, Tiffany980 said:

Knowing facts, quoting history, and accurately predicting the future generally make people "knowledgeable." No one is trying to fool anyone. In fact, what I claim is the same belief many of you have. There are a fair amount of Bills fans who also believe Allen will be a bust because of his similarities to other busts. This isn't a trolling thing. Don't you know who other busts will be? Murray and Haskins for example. Not a Patriots thing at all.

There are also a fair amount of Bills fans who don't think Josh Allen will be a bust.

 

That you don't just give up on a player after 1+ seasons.

 

You take the bad with the good, you learn from it and move on and continue with development.

 

If you're expecting instant gratification, then you will be disappointed.

[Captain Caveman]

Also, we had a missed field goal and a failed goal line stand which probably would have been a field goal instead. A lot of points left on the board, against a team that hasn’t given many up this year. 

[billsfan1959]

1 hour ago, Tiffany980 said:

Knowing facts, quoting history, and accurately predicting the future generally make people "knowledgeable." No one is trying to fool anyone. In fact, what I claim is the same belief many of you have. There are a fair amount of Bills fans who also believe Allen will be a bust because of his similarities to other busts. This isn't a trolling thing. Don't you know who other busts will be? Murray and Haskins for example. Not a Patriots thing at all.

There are actually a small percentage of Bills fans that believe this. It just seems like more because those of you that do believe it have to post it over, and over, and over...ad nauseum....

 

Edit: I realized you are not even a Bills fan...just a troll. Sorry I wasted my time.

Edited September 30, 2019 by billsfan1959

[umangatan]

1 hour ago, Tiffany980 said:

13 TDs, 18 INTs, fumbles, etc... He has no pocket awareness. 55% completion and 68.4 rating... 

 

I wouldn't want any of those QBs over Allen because they were all bad QBs! I'd take Flutie.

That sounds like Brady’s stats today! Should probably put the old guy down, lol.

[TigerJ]

Moral victory?  No. but the talent level on the defense, and yes, potential on offense gives reason to be optimistic about a potential playoff berth this year and maybe the chance to dethrone the Patriots as division champions in the near future.

[Big Gun]

4 hours ago, Jerome007 said:

Moral victory sucks but this is one for sure. If there's no punt block it's a tie game, Brady looked very average to say the least. The two defenses were special for sure. Alen (and McD) were way too stressed out in the 1st half but both settled nicely

Their offense only put up 9 points today, the Bill's offense put up 10. 

[Johnnycage46]

3 hours ago, Tiffany980 said:

Arrogance has nothing to do with this. Arrogance is not the same as knowledgeable. You don't actually consider the "experts" experts do you? All those ex-players are biased. I haven't said ANYTHING that your own fans have said. After each game this year, what has been the fans' biggest complaint? Allen, Allen, Allen, and Allen... Maybe he turns out to be the next Peyton Manning. 

I assume you are a life long Pats fan....assuming you are 18.  Otherwise that doesnt exist.  Patriots fans tend to be major posers.  Probably a disgruntled fan of another team jumping on an easy bandwagon?

[The Red King]

If the Pats weren't afraid of an Allen 4th quarter comeback, why did they straight-up assassinate him?

 

See, that's why a lot of people have no respect for the Pats.  The Bills are classier, and despite Brady being the alleged goat, the Bills won't cheap-shot him.  Of course the league bent over backwards for the Pats and they suffered zero repercussions for their classless act and the Pats rang up an utterly hollow victory.

 

I appreciate the attempt to compliment the Bills, but we're still a bit sore about the goonish behavior the Pats employed to win it.  Took a perfectly good close, tense game and ruined it.

[vorpma]

9 hours ago, BillsVet said:

 

Yes, the quarter pole of the season.  You're already predicting NE will be among the all-time great defenses because they beat the mighty McD and Daboll show.  

 

 

Checkout the 2018 SB!

10 hours ago, FUTURIST said:

 

Great points, but the Bills defense is better than the Patriots defense. I don't care what stats say.  

No argument from me! Just can't ignore the Pats Defense in SB 2018 and the fact they are dominating in 2019!

[T master]

14 hours ago, vorpma said:

The Bills lost today to the greatest team, QB, and coach in sports history; not to mention what is possibly the greatest defense since the 1985 Bears. We took into the last minutes of the fourth quarter and as the season rolls on, I hope many of you understand the significance of that feat. This is a team on the rise, stop blowing snot bubbles and watch the rebound next week! We are back!!!!

 

I agree 100% !!

 

Mistakes in life & sports happen, as long as you learn something from them going forward & don't continue to make the same ones over & over again then it wasn't a waste of time, i think this will be what comes from this game .

 

Going forward I think this will be a good loss for the lessons learned if you can see that ??

[FiftyPercent]

14 hours ago, Bangarang said:

Yay moral victory!

 

Moral victories are worse than the loss itself.

[Gordio]

14 hours ago, vorpma said:

The Bills lost today to the greatest team, QB, and coach in sports history; not to mention what is possibly the greatest defense since the 1985 Bears. We took into the last minutes of the fourth quarter and as the season rolls on, I hope many of you understand the significance of that feat. This is a team on the rise, stop blowing snot bubbles and watch the rebound next week! We are back!!!!

 

 

This actually reminds me of a game back in 88 when the Bills were 4-0, came into soldier field & the Bears defense made life miserable for Kelly & the boys that day.  it is one game, the key is how they respond in Nashville next Sunday, which will be another tough defensive game.  Good things ahead my friends.