LyndonvilleBill Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 (edited) With the way Beasley plays versus how Edleman plays on the field, does this help with the preparation of the Bills defense against NE this weekend? I think shutting down Edleman will be key to beating NE. Thoughts? Edited September 28, 2019 by LyndonvilleBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 Many have tried, most have failed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 At a glance- at the combine cole was among the worst at cones and shuttles while Edelman was among the best. Just an example of how they diverge, and that while they both may be effective underneath receivers that how they get there could be a bit different. i think it’s the kind of breakdown that would be fun for someone like cover 1 to do in the offseason 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 20 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said: With the way Beasley plays versus how Edleman, plays on the field does this help with the preparation of the Bills defense against NE this weekend? I think shutting down Edleman will be key to beating NE. Thoughts? Helps...what exactly? Sorry your comma placement is twisting my brain 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock'em Sock'em Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 Their offense is multiple and will adjust to whatever your defense is not stopping, so you need to be capable of stopping it all. I'm very curious how the "1/11th" mantra works out this week. We have the skills to stop it all. So with that mindset, it could just come down to a chess match between Brady and our defense each play. If we don't give up big plays and get our "wins" on 3rd down and in the red zone, we will have a good chance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 24 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said: With the way Beasley plays versus how Edleman, plays on the field does this help with the preparation of the Bills defense against NE this weekend? I think shutting down Edleman will be key to beating NE. Thoughts? I think having a receiver with a similar skill set is helpful. However, aside from skill, what has made players like Edleman, Amendola, and Welker so productive in NE is Brady's release time and accuracy in the short game. He gets the ball out so quickly and placement is so accurate, it is almost impossible to defend. Brady consistently hits his receivers underneath with even the slightest separation, and also puts the ball in a location that, far more often than not, allows the receiver the potential for YAC. It has always been his strength. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 Edleman and Beasley fill a similar role, but are not similar athletes. Edleman is a superb athlete that happened to be a QB before and then played DB/WR to make it in the league, hes smart as hell and even more quick and explosive. Beasley is not fast nor particularly quick, he works like hell and has a pretty good eye for finding soft spots, offers a lot of nothing after the catch outside of a dive forward. I see why the Cowboys couldn't have him as their best WR. He's more of a safety blanket than a game changer.. Edleman can BURN you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 Beating the Pats is more about the offense. Need to run a lot of clock and score points, 25 plus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted September 28, 2019 Author Share Posted September 28, 2019 20 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said: Helps...what exactly? Sorry your comma placement is twisting my brain Wow.. Getting fired up over a misplaced comma this early? You must TOTALLY freak out reading the GDT on Sundays. I didn't realize perfect gramma and punctuation was required.... My Apologies... 3 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 15 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: I think having a receiver with a similar skill set is helpful. However, aside from skill, what has made players like Edleman, Amendola, and Welker so productive in NE is Brady's release time and accuracy in the short game. He gets the ball out so quickly and placement is so accurate, it is almost impossible to defend. Brady consistently hits his receivers underneath with even the slightest separation, and also puts the ball in a location that, far more often than not, allows the receiver the potential for YAC. It has always been his strength. Its funny to here people say stuff like this. Their passing game has not been good against us recently. If we stop the run they are gonna lose. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 8 minutes ago, DCofNC said: Edleman and Beasley fill a similar role, but are not similar athletes. Edleman is a superb athlete that happened to be a QB before and then played DB/WR to make it in the league, hes smart as hell and even more quick and explosive. Beasley is not fast nor particularly quick, he works like hell and has a pretty good eye for finding soft spots, offers a lot of nothing after the catch outside of a dive forward. I see why the Cowboys couldn't have him as their best WR. He's more of a safety blanket than a game changer.. Edleman can BURN you. I think playing with Brady has blinded people to ehat Edleman is. He may be a better athlete than Beasley but for God's sake he doesnt burn you. His yards per reception is exactly .6 of a yard better than Beasley over their career. When you talk about touchdowns per season Beasley has Edleman. The difference is really targets. Edleman is targeted a ton and Beasley spent most of his early career as a 4th wideout. Not saying Beasley is better at all. But lets live in reality a bit when it comes to what Edleman is. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 I thought you had to have 100 posts b4 starting a thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock'em Sock'em Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 13 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said: Wow.. I didn't realize perfect gramma and punctuation was required.... Using standard three dot ellipsis and correct spelling is appreciated as well... Signed, The half of the internet that does not really care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 14 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: Its funny to here people say stuff like this. Their passing game has not been good against us recently. If we stop the run they are gonna lose. I don't disagree. I think we match up better with them in the passing game than people realize and their running game has not been good this year - that is why I believe the Bills will win this game. In general, however, the short passing game has been the bread and butter of Brady's career - and he has been very good at it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 24 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said: Wow.. Getting fired up over a misplaced comma this early? You must TOTALLY freak out reading the GDT on Sundays. I didn't realize perfect gramma and punctuation was required.... My Apologies... sorry every once in a while my meds wear off and I get a vague recognition of the idiocy surrounding all of us. We good now don’t worry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted September 28, 2019 Author Share Posted September 28, 2019 9 minutes ago, Rock'em Sock'em said: Using standard three dot ellipsis and correct spelling is appreciated as well... Signed, The half of the internet that does not really care. Darn it. Maybe by the time I correct my errors I'll get to a 100 posts. LOL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 Edelman has better speed and COD skills; Beasley has him in terms of short-area quickness. But in the end, they share one common trait that makes a dangerous slot receiver: they understand angles and how to make defenders change their leverage to create space. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 56 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said: I thought you had to have 100 posts b4 starting a thread? I think there is also a time element in how long you have been a member that, once hit, will allow posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 actually Beasley was the more explosive athlete at the combine Better 40 , better vert Go look at the numbers Did more reps on the bench as well even though he is 20 lbs lighter and 3 inches shorter Patriots have simply always used the mismatch between a quick slot guy vs a linebacker Dabol is just scratching the surface of creating mismatches and exploiting them. As Josh gets better diagnosing pre snap we will see more and more of Beasley and the backs underneath 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Virgil said: Many have tried, most have failed Agreed. But, optimistic with Edelman's ribs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustWinPlease Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 3 hours ago, LyndonvilleBill said: With the way Beasley plays versus how Edleman plays on the field, does this help with the preparation of the Bills defense against NE this weekend? I think shutting down Edleman will be key to beating NE. Thoughts? Beasley is nothing like Edelman...he can't hold Edelman's jock, and that hurts to admit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 1 hour ago, thebandit27 said: Edelman has better speed and COD skills; Beasley has him in terms of short-area quickness. But in the end, they share one common trait that makes a dangerous slot receiver: they understand angles and how to make defenders change their leverage to create space. Does beasley win that? I don’t have it in front of me but relatively across the board it seemed Edelman was beating him athletically. Talking short area - it was drastic gaps in shuttle, cones and I think 10 yard split. No debate on the bottom half though. And to the OPs point - I’d suppose that CB can “scout team” some of Edelman’s moves decently for our defenders. I do like that the OPs returns to the thread have been 100% grammar related though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 3 hours ago, NoSaint said: At a glance- at the combine cole was among the worst at cones and shuttles while Edelman was among the best. Just an example of how they diverge, and that while they both may be effective underneath receivers that how they get there could be a bit different. i think it’s the kind of breakdown that would be fun for someone like cover 1 to do in the offseason Edelman takes big hits and catches everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 2 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: I think playing with Brady has blinded people to ehat Edleman is. He may be a better athlete than Beasley but for God's sake he doesnt burn you. His yards per reception is exactly .6 of a yard better than Beasley over their career. When you talk about touchdowns per season Beasley has Edleman. The difference is really targets. Edleman is targeted a ton and Beasley spent most of his early career as a 4th wideout. Not saying Beasley is better at all. But lets live in reality a bit when it comes to what Edleman is. I think my statement was firmly based in reality. Edleman gets YAC because hes an athlete, Beasley catches the ball and falls down 50% of the time. Edleman can take it to the house on you, Beasley is not that threat. Is Edleman better bc of Brady? OF COURSE, but hes also better because hes flat out better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 3 hours ago, LyndonvilleBill said: With the way Beasley plays versus how Edleman plays on the field, does this help with the preparation of the Bills defense against NE this weekend? I think shutting down Edleman will be key to beating NE. Thoughts? Has anyone shut down Beasley? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted September 28, 2019 Author Share Posted September 28, 2019 20 minutes ago, NoSaint said: Does beasley win that? I don’t have it in front of me but relatively across the board it seemed Edelman was beating him athletically. Talking short area - it was drastic gaps in shuttle, cones and I think 10 yard split. No debate on the bottom half though. And to the OPs point - I’d suppose that CB can “scout team” some of Edelman’s moves decently for our defenders. I do like that the OPs returns to the thread have been 100% grammar related though More of a reader than a poster. I saw your first reply as it related to the combine (Thanks). It was a good place to look as a comparison for numbers. Although it didn't look to me as such a drastic difference between the two. My initial question was would it help the defense to prepare for NE. You basically answered my original question in this post. Thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 I thought you were getting at that they should have Beasley cover Edelman. I was like "this guy could be on to something.." 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted September 28, 2019 Author Share Posted September 28, 2019 17 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Has anyone shut down Beasley? No. That goes back to my original question. Does having Beasley help the defense prepare? As NoSaint responded to my question and probably in a better way. Could he be used on the Scout Team to simulate Edelman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 19 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said: More of a reader than a poster. I saw your first reply as it related to the combine (Thanks). It was a good place to look as a comparison for numbers. Although it didn't look to me as such a drastic difference between the two. My initial question was would it help the defense to prepare for NE. You basically answered my original question in this post. Thanks again. Heres a good fast glance visual: https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/julian-edelman https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/cole-beasley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 ....whoa...totally confused.....TBD pundits said Beasley is "only here for the money".....who or what should I believe?......skills are a ruse?........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 11 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said: No. That goes back to my original question. Does having Beasley help the defense prepare? As NoSaint responded to my question and probably in a better way. Could he be used on the Scout Team to simulate Edelman? I think the answer is of course. He’s not the same guy, but anyone saying he doesn’t have similarities is lying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 28 minutes ago, NC Book said: I thought you were getting at that they should have Beasley cover Edelman. I was like "this guy could be on to something.." Maybe Beasley could make his way onto the field in a Pats uni and sabotage from within. I don't think anyone would notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: Maybe Beasley could make his way onto the field in a Pats uni and sabotage from within. I don't think anyone would notice. Unforunately it’s too notocible, like football gronk vs retired gronk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted September 28, 2019 Author Share Posted September 28, 2019 (edited) 37 minutes ago, NC Book said: I thought you were getting at that they should have Beasley cover Edelman. I was like "this guy could be on to something.." Sorry. I am more of an inside the box thinker than outside the box. Although, I wouldn't mind lining up Milano or Edmunds on the LOS and knock Edleman on his butt to throw off any kind of timing with Brady... Edited September 28, 2019 by LyndonvilleBill 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 At the Cinci game last week I watched them trying to jump the quick swirl or curl routes for Beasley. Time for coach to get Beasley on that out and up sideline route or try a deeper slant or seam route. We need to stretch the field on the Pats and Beasley in the seam / stick route might be a way to do it. He has more to his game and maybe this is the week that Dabol pulls it out. I know he had held onto things specifically because the Past were coming. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 42 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said: No. That goes back to my original question. Does having Beasley help the defense prepare? As NoSaint responded to my question and probably in a better way. Could he be used on the Scout Team to simulate Edelman? Could he be on the scout team, yes. Will they do that, not likely. The reason: the coaches have only so many practice hours, they dedicate that time to preparing starters for their starting job. They want Beasley practicing to be a Bufallo WR. It is unlikely they would change that. But to your point.. Edelman and Beasley are allot alike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, boater said: Could he be on the scout team, yes. Will they do that, not likely. The reason: the coaches have only so many practice hours, they dedicate that time to preparing starters for their starting job. They want Beasley practicing to be a Bufallo WR. It is unlikely they would change that. But to your point.. Edelman and Beasley are allot alike. It wouldn’t be unheard of to have him emulate a few things in a practice. And just playing him day to day in practice probably helps a little too... but it cuts both ways and practicing against Edelman every day likely in the same way helps the pats DBs as much if not more as he’s generally bigger/faster/quicker Edited September 28, 2019 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 5 hours ago, DCofNC said: I think my statement was firmly based in reality. Edleman gets YAC because hes an athlete, Beasley catches the ball and falls down 50% of the time. Edleman can take it to the house on you, Beasley is not that threat. Is Edleman better bc of Brady? OF COURSE, but hes also better because hes flat out better. Again Edleman has almost the exact same yards per reception as Beasley and less tds per year. As such your assessment that one can take it to the house on you and the other falls down isnt correct. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romie Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 If we gave Beasley cocaine and steroids he would be just as good as Edelman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Beard Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 I thought the thread title was Beasley’s Skillet. I guess I’ve been spending to much time reading about Cooking the Perfect Steak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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